Re: [mailop] Google and the Message-Id Header

2019-10-11 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via mailop
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 4:55 PM Brandon Long wrote: > At this point, it looks like the message-id header is a red-herring (or an > indication of a different path on their side), the problem is a bug in the > proxying mail server (haraka) issuing multiple EHLO commands after > STARTTLS, but only

Re: [mailop] Google and the Message-Id Header

2019-10-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
At this point, it looks like the message-id header is a red-herring (or an indication of a different path on their side), the problem is a bug in the proxying mail server (haraka) issuing multiple EHLO commands after STARTTLS, but only expecting a single reply... so when it issues the rest of the

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread Carl Byington via mailop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 22:06 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote: > In article <1570757713.1030.53.ca...@16bits.net> you write: > >Count me too as someone with a tiny server that Gmail automatically > >files in spam with apparently no reason. >

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
I don't think we explicitly age out these things, but we may have a limit on the number of entries on a user's automatic whitelist that's discards based on age. Also, as the automatic whitelist is generated from user content/interactions but isn't visible, it likely needs to be tied to the

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 2:09 AM Chris Woods via mailop wrote: > After recently receiving yet more spam from standards-compliant spam > servers (valid SPF, DMARC and domains on mainstream TLDs and delivery > tolerating greylisting), this discussion got me thinking again. Some open > questions: >

[mailop] Is notification.skype.com an oversight?

2019-10-11 Thread Andreas Schamanek via mailop
notification.skype.com does not resolve. When I saw it some days ago I thought it was an oversight that Microsoft's gonna fix instantly, but I was mistaken: Oct 12 01:14:09 iac postfix/smtpd[13338]: connect from db3gmehub01.msn.com[94.245.112.10] Oct 12 01:14:09 iac postfix/smtpd[13338]:

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 11 Oct 2019, at 9:06, Chris Wedgwood via mailop wrote: It doesn't seem to be in a particularly bad neighborhood, either. if i'm guessing your IP right, my local test sees 7 "bad actors" in your /24 (2.73%) and 50 in your /16 (~0%) whilst that's not nearly as bad as many sources, it's

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread Chris Wedgwood via mailop
> It doesn't seem to be in a particularly bad neighborhood, either. if i'm guessing your IP right, my local test sees 7 "bad actors" in your /24 (2.73%) and 50 in your /16 (~0%) whilst that's not nearly as bad as many sources, it's worse than most that send legitimate email

Re: [mailop] authentication failures for messages from microsoft

2019-10-11 Thread Andreas Schulze via mailop
Am 11.10.19 um 15:27 schrieb Andreas Schulze via mailop: > SPF pass for spogermanyeop.onmicrosoft.de > DKIM pass for microsoft.com DKIM pass for spogermanyeop.onmicrosoft.de of course... -- A. Schulze DATEV eG ___ mailop mailing list

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread John R Levine via mailop
Are they still fundamentally constrained by their choice of network provider, despite complying with every possible security and delivery behaviour to warrant and verify the content and sender of every email? Yes. Remember, nobody else cares as much about the mail you send as you do. Has the

[mailop] authentication failures for messages from microsoft

2019-10-11 Thread Andreas Schulze via mailop
Hello, we receive multiple complains from out customers not getting notification messages from Microsoft. Our DMARC filter reject them. investigation show: Source-IP: 51.4.72.88 (mail-fr1ger01on0088.outbound.protection.outlook.de) RFC5321.MailFrom:

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread Steve Atkins via mailop
> On Oct 11, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Chris Woods via mailop > wrote: > > After recently receiving yet more spam from standards-compliant spam servers > (valid SPF, DMARC and domains on mainstream TLDs and delivery tolerating > greylisting), this discussion got me thinking again. Some open

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread Chris Woods via mailop
After recently receiving yet more spam from standards-compliant spam servers (valid SPF, DMARC and domains on mainstream TLDs and delivery tolerating greylisting), this discussion got me thinking again. Some open questions: Imagine an operator wishes to spin up a new email server, for themself or