Re: [mailop] Gosh I love sendgrid

2021-09-12 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
That's just too fun not to add: https://github.com/mxroute/rspamd_rules/commit/9a697ba947c9a1ad4a9a543fa2984fcd0e9ecd4f Always glad to reject a few more emails from spamgrid. On 2021-09-11 22:23, John R Levine via mailop wrote: Today's phish, sent directly from sendgrid to my father who has

Re: [mailop] Gosh I love sendgrid

2021-09-11 Thread Chris Huff via mailop
Wow. I’m used to weird text from some source being copied and pasted, and I’m used to obvious phishing language, but I think this is the first time I’ve seen both in one email. It’s very jarring. > On Sep 11, 2021, at 8:23 PM, John R Levine via mailop > wrote: > > Today's phish, sent

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-23 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article <1967837452.10796.1608741683...@appsuite-gw2.open-xchange.com> you write: >> ESPs are well within their rights to refuse to do business with some >> customers. >> >I am pretty sure that if an ESP refused to do business with any customer from >a specific ethnic group, or

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-23 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 12/22/20 12:34, John Levine via mailop wrote: In article you write: The only basis on which these emails should be judged is on whether they're spam or malware. This suggests you're OK with child pornography and beheading videos so long as subscribers ask for them. And what about the

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-23 Thread Vittorio Bertola via mailop
> Il 23/12/2020 13:13 Laura Atkins via mailop ha > scritto: > > > The discussion is simpler than that. Sendgrid owns their network. > Sendgrid gets to make the rules about what is allowed on their network. > > Spam isn’t illegal, yet they prohibit it. > > Gambling related

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-23 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 23.12.2020 o godz. 12:13:25 Laura Atkins via mailop pisze: > > Spam isn’t illegal, yet they prohibit it. There are at least few countries where spam *is* illegal. > Gambling related email isn’t illegal, yet many ESPs prohibit it. In many countries gambling operators (casinos etc.) need

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-23 Thread Vittorio Bertola via mailop
> Il 22/12/2020 21:56 Mark E. Jeftovic via mailop ha > scritto: > > > There are clear, existing, unambiguous laws against this, and nobody > questions any entity who not only declines to facilitate this but actively > purges it from their platforms. > > Where I have a problem

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-23 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 22.12.20 um 02:56 schrieb Eric Tykwinski via mailop: > Seriously, this is probably political…  Not saying I agree, but unless it’s > spam, i.e. unwanted by your recipients, > then you just have a bunch of wack jobs as clients and keep it at that. As John has stated in his original mail, it

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-22 Thread Alex King via mailop
On 23/12/20 6:24 am, Mark Fletcher via mailop wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 9:53 PM Rob McEwen via mailop mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote: The moment "spam" gets away from "consent" and goes into "content" (specifically *legal* content) - there are enormous problems - because

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-22 Thread Mark E. Jeftovic via mailop
On 2020-12-22 3:34 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote: > In article you write: >> The only basis on which these emails should be judged is on whether >> they're spam or malware. > This suggests you're OK with child pornography and beheading videos so > long as subscribers ask for them. And what

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-22 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article you write: > >The only basis on which these emails should be judged is on whether >they're spam or malware. This suggests you're OK with child pornography and beheading videos so long as subscribers ask for them. And what about the Malware of the Day club? As someone else already

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-22 Thread Mark E. Jeftovic via mailop
The only basis on which these emails should be judged is on whether they're spam or malware. It is always within the purview of private companies to put whatever parameters they want around who they do business with. Sometimes the risk/reward incentives just aren't there. But being an internet

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-22 Thread Mark Fletcher via mailop
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 9:53 PM Rob McEwen via mailop wrote: > > The moment "spam" gets away from "consent" and goes into "content" > (specifically *legal* content) - there are enormous problems - because > it then becomes one person's often very subjective opinion - against > another'

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-22 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 22.12.2020 o godz. 00:39:47 Rob McEwen via mailop pisze: > and the same article FB was using (actually, a few different > articles did this) said that Remdesivir was our BEST med for > fighting COVID, yet the WHO recently recommended against use of > Remdesivir due to the WHO *now* claiming

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-21 Thread Rob McEwen via mailop
On 12/21/2020 9:55 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote: when antivax nonsense persuades people who would otherwise get vaccinated that they shouldn't, they or people they infect may die. The politest term I have for Sendgrid's actions here is deeply irresponsible. The moment "spam" gets away

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-21 Thread Chris via mailop
On 2020-12-21 22:15, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: On 12/21/20 18:55, John Levine via mailop wrote: The politest term I have for Sendgrid's actions here is deeply irresponsible. Agreed, but not solely because of the content of the message. It, like much of what comes from Sendgrid, is

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-21 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 12/21/20 18:55, John Levine via mailop wrote: Also, while the Skokie march was phenomenally offensive, at that time there was no issue of physical harm or injury from the march. But now, when antivax nonsense persuades people who would otherwise get vaccinated that they shouldn't, they or

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-21 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article <6dd6bf78-40da-4b88-afff-2150598f0...@truenet.com> you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Seriously, this is probably political… Not saying I agree, but unless it’s >spam, i.e. unwanted by your >recipients, then you just have a bunch of wack jobs as clients and keep it at >that. >If

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-21 Thread Eric Tykwinski via mailop
Seriously, this is probably political… Not saying I agree, but unless it’s spam, i.e. unwanted by your recipients, then you just have a bunch of wack jobs as clients and keep it at that. If it helps ease your conscience, think of it this way:

Re: [mailop] Gosh, I love sendgrid

2020-12-21 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 12/21/20 17:21, John Levine via mailop wrote: Now they're sending antivax spam from the pseudoscientific Weston A. Price foundation. As long as the checks don't bounce, I don't think Sendgrid really cares if the mail does. -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880