On 25.07.20 15:36, Bjørn Bürger via mailop wrote:
> Am 24. Juli 2020 18:03:54 MESZ schrieb Klaus Ethgen via mailop
> :
>> I debugged with Bjørn Bürger (thanks for helping) and found out that the
>> error is "weist große Ähnlichkeit zu früheren Spam Nachrichten auf".
>
> I might add: This was
You seem to have some very strong contrary opinions.
You can choose to believe that it's all a conspiracy that you have bravely
seen through, or choose to consider why a bunch of fairly intelligent folks
can have different opinions on these topics.
The advice you've been given is mostly correct.
In article <3961693e-e24a-576c-fb09-cbd1ad610...@backschues.de> you write:
>Am 25.07.20 um 04:07 schrieb John Levine via mailop:
>
>> Gmail has repeatedly said that they do not accept unauthenticated mail
>> on IPv6.
>
>Sorry, but I can not confirm this.
>
>I've 16x IPv6 MXs that are working fine
Am 25.07.20 um 04:07 schrieb John Levine via mailop:
Gmail has repeatedly said that they do not accept unauthenticated mail
on IPv6.
Sorry, but I can not confirm this.
I've 16x IPv6 MXs that are working fine with Gmail w/o authentication.
--
Regards
Jörg Backschues
Dnia 24.07.2020 o godz. 17:03:54 Klaus Ethgen via mailop pisze:
>
> And I am afraid that there is nothing I can do to solve that. :-(
I have sent a few suggestions what you can try.
I was in a very similar situation to yours twice and it got solved somehow
(although I still don't know how
Gmail has repeatedly said that they do not accept unauthenticated mail on IPv6.
And with very good reason. Consider that you can very easily have a dedicated
IP address for every email message you will ever send :-)
Of course. Doesn't everyone do that?
Regards,
John Levine,
Thanks Phil for your very useful summary.
On 24/07/2020 21:40, Phil Pennock via mailop wrote:
> If you don't send much email, then the only IP-based reputation
> which Google can assess you on is the reputation of your
> address-block
Is there any reputation checking service for address blocks
Hi Phil,
many thanks for your very helpfull explanation.
Just a few comments...
Am Fr den 24. Jul 2020 um 20:40 schrieb Phil Pennock via mailop:
> With a poor IP-based reputation, you need to see if you can score a
> better domain-based reputation. This is where DKIM comes into play:
> once
On 24 Jul 2020, at 19:07, John Levine via mailop wrote:
Gmail has repeatedly said that they do not accept unauthenticated mail
on IPv6.
And with very good reason. Consider that you can very easily have a
dedicated IP address for every email message you will ever send :-)
Best regards
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:45:19 +0200, Ralph Seichter via mailop
wrote:
>So please, give us Hetzner customers a break if we're doing things The
>Right Way(TM).
I don't block the list of Hetzner prefixes I have amassed, because the
individual senders do it for me. 100% of all Hetzner IP traffic
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Hash: SHA512
On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 22:08 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> Depends whether you consider Comcast to be big. They sure have a lot
> of customers.
If five-ten-sg.com wants to deliver to comcast.net, my publishing tlsa
records for
In article <20200724230322.ga531...@fullerene.field.pennock-tech.net> you write:
>On 2020-07-24 at 15:29 -0700, Luis E. Muñoz wrote:
>> I would push DANE a bit up in the list. DNSSEC can be a drag to some, but it
>> is really the way to go in terms of decentralization of encryption. It is
>> also
In article <83ee71f6-7b9c-4efb-e101-f28705a6c...@elementality.org>,
G. Miliotis via mailop wrote:
>> I see no difference in IPv4 vs IPv6. You do need to have rDNS properly
>> setup and we use SPF and DKIM, no DMARC. IPs from a cloud provider to
>> boot. Good deliverability.
>>
>When I tried
In article <0316fd32-617a-e4a2-9a70-72571dd37...@elementality.org> you write:
>
>On 24/7/2020 7:13 μ.μ., John Levine via mailop wrote:
>> In article <20200724160354.gg9...@ikki.ethgen.ch> you write:
>>> I think it might happen that in past hetzner (my hosting provider) ...
>> Oh, there's your
Thanks for this. I'm going to link to it from Spam Resource.
Cheers,
Al Iverson
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:40 PM Phil Pennock via mailop
wrote:
>
> On 2020-07-24 at 15:40 -0400, Phil Pennock via mailop wrote:
> [ snip lots ]
>
> I was asked by someone with a link to a mailing-list archive entry
Hi,
Recently, I heard often that my mails to friends on gmail ended up in
spam.
Recently I moved my domain to a VPS at Netcup and all reputation at
Google seem to be broken.
Last week I sent a G-Suite user a cancellation of an appointment - which
was discussed before via mail - and the
On 2020-07-24 at 15:29 -0700, Luis E. Muñoz wrote:
> I would push DANE a bit up in the list. DNSSEC can be a drag to some, but it
> is really the way to go in terms of decentralization of encryption. It is
> also a good practice.
Absolutely, but the context here was sending to Gmail, who don't
I would push DANE a bit up in the list. DNSSEC can be a drag to some,
but it is really the way to go in terms of decentralization of
encryption. It is also a good practice.
On 24 Jul 2020, at 12:40, Phil Pennock via mailop wrote:
* MTA-STS webserver with HTTPS from the same CA, and the
On 2020-07-24 at 15:40 -0400, Phil Pennock via mailop wrote:
[ snip lots ]
I was asked by someone with a link to a mailing-list archive entry to
turn this into a blog-post which could be cited, so I've done so; there
are some additions of RFC and website cross-references which might make
it
On 2020-07-24 at 09:54 +0100, Klaus Ethgen via mailop wrote:
> As my mails are always plain text, signed by PGP and coming from a mail
> server that I can assure is never sending spam or even high amount of
> mails, that is not in any blacklist, I wonder, what makes it google to
> believe that my
Also, starting in this past week, Google (must have) changed their
spam-detecting algorithm, as we are seeing that suddenly fully 50% of any day's
load in the spam folder are false positives (i.e. has actually been legitimate
email, even email that has a months - or even years - long history of
You're overthinking it. Create a 2048-bit RSA key pair (support for a
longer key is not clear at this time).
How to fit the public key into DNS when it's longer than 255 chars? Here's how:
https://serverfault.com/questions/255580/how-do-i-enter-a-strong-long-dkim-key-into-dns
Very commonly done.
On 24/7/2020 8:12 μ.μ., Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote:
On 24 Jul 2020, at 7:48, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Not true, I was (and am) always delivering mail via IPv4 and had
mentioned
problems (and also other people whose complaints I have read don't
use IPv6
as well).
I see no
On 24 Jul 2020, at 7:48, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Not true, I was (and am) always delivering mail via IPv4 and had
mentioned
problems (and also other people whose complaints I have read don't use
IPv6
as well).
I see no difference in IPv4 vs IPv6. You do need to have rDNS properly
On 24/7/2020 7:13 μ.μ., John Levine via mailop wrote:
In article <20200724160354.gg9...@ikki.ethgen.ch> you write:
I think it might happen that in past hetzner (my hosting provider) ...
Oh, there's your problem. Hetzner's network spews garbage. I don't
accept any mail from it at all.
>
> Oh, there's your problem. Hetzner's network spews garbage. I don't
> accept any mail from it at all.
I'm willing to bet that almost all large cheaper providers have issues, at
least from what I've seen myself. This nice tool was just on the FrontPage of
Hacker News:
Hi,
On 24.07.20 18:09, Marcel Becker via mailop wrote:
> Not saying that it's the case here (what do I know about Google's spam
> filters or your friends...) but sometimes the cause for this is on the
> receiving end and quite low tech. Ie: We have quite a few cases where
> users mark mail from
On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 12:13 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> In article <20200724160354.gg9...@ikki.ethgen.ch> you write:
> > I think it might happen that in past hetzner (my hosting provider) ...
>
> Oh, there's your problem. Hetzner's network spews garbage. I don'taccept any
> mail from
In article <20200724160354.gg9...@ikki.ethgen.ch> you write:
>I think it might happen that in past hetzner (my hosting provider) ...
Oh, there's your problem. Hetzner's network spews garbage. I don't
accept any mail from it at all.
R's,
John
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:02 AM Klaus Ethgen via mailop
wrote:
> Recently, I heard often that my mails to friends on gmail ended up in
> spam.
>
>
Not saying that it's the case here (what do I know about Google's spam
filters or your friends...) but sometimes the cause for this is on the
Am Fr den 24. Jul 2020 um 15:51 schrieb Michael Peddemors via mailop:
> We have found that the FIRST thing you need to do is put a sane SPF record
> in place for IPv4 traffic.. This has resolved the issue for most of the
> cases we have seen for clients.
Not the issue. The SPF is fully correct.
Hi,
Am Fr den 24. Jul 2020 um 14:20 schrieb Faisal Misle via mailop:
> I also strongly recommend you start signing with DKIM. You may not have had a
> use for it, but now you do.
I did it now and fallen in all misstakes one could do.
- First I tried out a ed25519 key. That worked very fast but
Am Fr den 24. Jul 2020 um 15:34 schrieb Thomas Hochstein via mailop:
> In my experience, most problems concerning mail delivery
> to Google disappear as soon as you deliver mail over ipv4
> (instead of ipv6).
I knew about that issue. But my mail server is still IPv4 only so no
issue for me.
Dnia 24.07.2020 o godz. 16:34:51 Thomas Hochstein via mailop pisze:
>
> In my experience, most problems concerning mail delivery
> to Google disappear as soon as you deliver mail over ipv4
> (instead of ipv6).
Not true, I was (and am) always delivering mail via IPv4 and had mentioned
problems
This thread pops up every couple months.
We have found that the FIRST thing you need to do is put a sane SPF
record in place for IPv4 traffic.. This has resolved the issue for most
of the cases we have seen for clients.
On 2020-07-24 7:44 a.m., Al Iverson via mailop wrote:
This is all
This is all good advice, primarily, try IPv4 + DKIM.
The contact process for Gmail is this form:
https://support.google.com/mail/contact/bulk_send_new
Though it is geared toward bulk senders, it might be worth trying.
Also, encourage your friends to provide feedback to Gmail by clicking
on "not
Am 2020-07-24 10:54 Klaus Ethgen via mailop wrote:
Recently, I heard often that my mails to friends on gmail
ended up in spam.
[...]
Is there any I can do to prevent google to hide the mails
from my friends?
In my experience, most problems concerning mail delivery
to Google disappear as
I also strongly recommend you start signing with DKIM. You may not have had a
use for it, but now you do.
Best,
Faisal
PGP Key: [C8FD029B](https://pgp.faisal.ec/)
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:45 AM, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, Klaus Ethgen via mailop wrote:
>
>>
Dnia 24.07.2020 o godz. 09:54:55 Klaus Ethgen via mailop pisze:
>
> Recently, I heard often that my mails to friends on gmail ended up in
> spam.
>
> As my mails are always plain text, signed by PGP and coming from a mail
> server that I can assure is never sending spam or even high amount of
>
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:35 PM Klaus Ethgen via mailop
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Recently, I heard often that my mails to friends on gmail ended up in
> spam.
>
> As my mails are always plain text, signed by PGP and coming from a mail
> server that I can assure is never sending spam or even high
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, Klaus Ethgen via mailop wrote:
Hi folks,
Recently, I heard often that my mails to friends on gmail ended up in
spam.
As my mails are always plain text, signed by PGP and coming from a mail
server that I can assure is never sending spam or even high amount of
mails, that
Hi folks,
Recently, I heard often that my mails to friends on gmail ended up in
spam.
As my mails are always plain text, signed by PGP and coming from a mail
server that I can assure is never sending spam or even high amount of
mails, that is not in any blacklist, I wonder, what makes it google
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