Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

Dealing mainly with political campaigns and nonprofits I have a lot of them sending from freemail, so do see this issue a lot. A lot of folks are just low understanding when it comes to tech and email, volunteers for example, so just don't know. I've been fighting to get us to just stop sending

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

> On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Laura Atkins wrote: > > >> On Mar 28, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Vick Khera wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Steve Atkins wrote: >> >> > On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:35 PM,

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Vick Khera wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Steve Atkins > wrote: > > > On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:35 PM, > > >

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

ilop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Vick Khera > > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:54 PM > > To: mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > > Subject: Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Steve Atkins <st...@b

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:36 PM, Luke Martinez wrote: > That's interesting. From an ESP's prospective, deciding to use a different > domain in the from address is simply not an acceptable option. That being > said, I wish we had a good way to tell senders that they

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes - Proxying SMTP auth for freemail users

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016, Jay Hennigan wrote: ... > The end result will be that the freemail account user will get locked > out or the account will be shut down. User will then blame the ESP for > disrupting his "business" email address. I can't see this without thinking of one of my favorite

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

SMTP AUTH With or without OAUTH (aka Submission) is the same functionally. The difference is with OAUTH2 you don't have to share your password with the ESP. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > If you are confident that all your customers doing

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes - Proxying SMTP auth for freemail users

On 24/3/2016 18:17, Jay Hennigan wrote: Once third-party mailers begin using the credentials of specific freemail accounts to send bulk mail that generates a non-trivial number of complaints and/or bounces, the battle has escalated. I am only just recently mulling this over so I haven't really

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes - Proxying SMTP auth for freemail users

On 16-03-24 10:16 AM, Michael Wise wrote: A question ... Outside of the spam case, how typical is it for someone to send from one Freemail provider with a Reply-To: pointing to *ANOTHER* Freemail provider? Just wondering. Aloha, Michael. A lot in the spam box :) It is actually one of our

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes - Proxying SMTP auth for freemail users

There is of course the other part that various freemails just might not appreciate their customers sharing passwords with a third party, like say an esp --srs On 24-Mar-2016, at 8:13 PM, G. Miliotis wrote: >> On 24-Mar-2016, at 7:27 PM, G.

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

At least in india most of those have moved to whatsapp --srs > On 24-Mar-2016, at 6:50 PM, Tara Natanson wrote: > > but for everyone of those theres the local PTA and the Brownie troop, or > soccer club. The person setting up a mailling list isn't given an address at >

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Dave Warren wrote: > On 2016-03-23 16:32, Franck Martin via mailop wrote: >> >> In fact, these providers offer OAUTH2 to allow you to send as using their >> infrastructure, and if you have bigger needs, many domains are going cheap >> at the

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

On 24/3/2016 15:38, Steve Atkins wrote: They do. And there are already quite a few dedicated B2B spammers taking advantage of that. Most of the deluge of spam from gmail appears to be from this sort of spammer at the moment. If gmail becomes concerned about that then the ability to plug into

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

>On 24-Mar-2016, at 6:33 PM, G. Miliotis wrote: > >In fact, as someone mentioned, we're currently looking into setting up our outgoing SMTP servers to send via each client's freemail account via SMTP auth. So that would cover the DMARC issue, too. Provided they don't

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

You will light up their filters like a Christmas tree --srs > On 24-Mar-2016, at 6:33 PM, G. Miliotis wrote: > > In fact, as someone mentioned, we're currently looking into setting up our > outgoing SMTP servers to send via each client's freemail account via SMTP >

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

On 24/3/2016 07:03, Dave Warren wrote: Are there really that many customers using freemail domains, yet paying for ESP services? For realsies? And if so, wouldn't this be an obvious upsell opportunity or partnership to get these customers using their own domain? As a small ESP, my servers

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

In fact, these providers offer OAUTH2 to allow you to send as using their infrastructure, and if you have bigger needs, many domains are going cheap at the moment... Not ideal, but some options... On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Steve Atkins wrote: > > > On Mar 23, 2016, at

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

> > It's likely that ARC will become the new - much better - workaround > eventually, modulo the inevitable deployment issues. http://arc-spec.org > > I

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

ay, March 22, 2016 8:54 PM > To: mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > Subject: Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Steve Atkins <st...@blighty.com> wrote: >> So if you've been doing anything special with forwarders or mailing lists >

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

That's interesting. From an ESP's prospective, deciding to use a different domain in the from address is simply not an acceptable option. That being said, I wish we had a good way to tell senders that they are heading for trouble. You would be surprised how many senders don't know that there is a

[mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

Yahoo recently posted elsewhere[1] about upcoming changes with their DMARC usage, and I thought mailop might be interested. As of next Monday y7mail.com and a huge list of international yahoo.* domains will be switching to DMARC p=reject, matching yahoo.com's configuration. So if you've been