Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 02:11 +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 10/30/2010 06:47 PM, Ian wrote: http://theingots.org/community/LO_OOo_cert I have posted a brief description of the meeting planned to support certification at the above address. Please feel free to copy it to any place you think it might be appropriate. Hi Ian, I think that the certification process is a very important step because - as you say - might become an important source of revenue, but also as one of the pillars of a necessary ecosystem around TDF. I see certification not only for teachers and users, but also for developers of templates and macros, and for enterprise support services (companies building added value around LibreOffice). In addition, there could be a specific certification for migration services. I think that you have a very valuable experience, and we should work together at building the process, as soon as we have settled down and established TDF as a legal entity. Hi Italo, I'm just in the process of going through the accreditation process and organising a preparatory meeting. Once we get this part under way we can look at other complementary certification. One of the reasons for the preparatory meeting is that we can apply for EU money to support market research, for example. We still need community members to come forward. We don't have any representation at the moment from France, Italy, Scandinavia or Poland and these are big populations with a lot of potential. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification
I'm going to suscribe to the French mailing list ( as I am French lol ) and I think there are some people who could be interested of being representative for France. Should I talk about it ? Or is this something we should wait TDF to be a legal entity ? Bonjour Montfort, Je ne pense pas que vous avez besoin de retard. Il n'y a pas beaucoup de temps si les délégués veulent obtenir du financement pour la réunion par leur Agence nationale de l'UE.S'il vous plaît diffuser aussi largement que possible. Cela va m'aider si ces e-mail intéressés moi si je sais que la mesure de l'intérêt. Merci -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification
Hello everyone, Le Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:29:38 +0100, Monfort Florian florian.monf...@gmail.com a écrit : Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 09:27 +, Ian a écrit : I'm going to suscribe to the French mailing list ( as I am French lol ) and I think there are some people who could be interested of being representative for France. Should I talk about it ? Or is this something we should wait TDF to be a legal entity ? Bonjour Montfort, Je ne pense pas que vous avez besoin de retard. Il n'y a pas beaucoup de temps si les délégués veulent obtenir du financement pour la réunion par leur Agence nationale de l'UE.S'il vous plaît diffuser aussi largement que possible. Cela va m'aider si ces e-mail intéressés moi si je sais que la mesure de l'intérêt. Merci I think it's perhaps safe to remind everyone that this certification is not exactly a Document Foundation certification. First, we're in the process of establishing the foundation; second, we need to be working on a certification programme and I am not the only here, obviously, who thinks it's an essential matter :-) but we need to be working on it and give the time to do that. While I'm sure Ian has a lot of input on this, I would like to remind everyone here that the meeting Ian organizes is not done on behalf of the Document Foundation; as productive as it might be. I would have loved to join myself, but am running out of time. Thanks Charles. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Solution Linux 2011
Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2010-11-02 10.21: Just for information, I've subscribed our group to the next Solution Linux 2011 which will take place in Paris in April (5-7). We will have a booth and some conferences are possible. great news! Please also add that to the Events page in the wiki. ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Solution Linux 2011
Hi Floriian, On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2010-11-02 10.21: Just for information, I've subscribed our group to the next Solution Linux 2011 which will take place in Paris in April (5-7). We will have a booth and some conferences are possible. great news! Please also add that to the Events page in the wiki. ;) Done :) Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification
Graham, Le Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:30:35 +1300, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org a écrit : On Tuesday 02 Nov 2010 22:52:31 Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello everyone, Le Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:29:38 +0100, Monfort Florian florian.monf...@gmail.com a écrit : Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 09:27 +, Ian a écrit : I'm going to suscribe to the French mailing list ( as I am French lol ) and I think there are some people who could be interested of being representative for France. Should I talk about it ? Or is this something we should wait TDF to be a legal entity ? Bonjour Montfort, Je ne pense pas que vous avez besoin de retard. Il n'y a pas beaucoup de temps si les délégués veulent obtenir du financement pour la réunion par leur Agence nationale de l'UE.S'il vous plaît diffuser aussi largement que possible. Cela va m'aider si ces e-mail intéressés moi si je sais que la mesure de l'intérêt. Merci I think it's perhaps safe to remind everyone that this certification is not exactly a Document Foundation certification. First, we're in the process of establishing the foundation; second, we need to be working on a certification programme and I am not the only here, obviously, who thinks it's an essential matter :-) but we need to be working on it and give the time to do that. While I'm sure Ian has a lot of input on this, I would like to remind everyone here that the meeting Ian organizes is not done on behalf of the Document Foundation; as productive as it might be. I would have loved to join myself, but am running out of time. I think you have missed the point, define on behalf of Read back over the mails. It seems on behalf of to me, not wholly of course, because it takes a commercial organisation such as TLM to get this established and that has be self sustaining. SUN wasn't selling StarOffice or Java or Solaris on behalf of OOo, yet that funded OOo. Novell doesn't sell SLE on behalf of OOo yet that funds contribution to LibO. OOo bureaucracy rejected the opportunity of being involved in the INGOTs programme quite a few years back. The foundation needs funding, INGOTs has the infrastructure in place to generate such funding. If we were to sit around waiting for an In House Certification Certification the funding that would be generated by that (if any after costs were covered) wouldn't arrive till the next decade given the glacial pace of OOo Certs development and the certification would probably be out of date and not subject to rigorous moderation in any case The foundation does not and will not have the resources to apply rigorous Quality control to such a certification in any case. INGOTs assessment criteria are OfQual accredited, frankly, I doubt that LibreO will ever have the clout to achieve anything like that. The certification and assessment programme, because of that accreditation, undergoes continuous moderation and Quality Assurance by Education Professionals to ensure that it maintains the highest Pedagogical standards. Developers are hard to come by, there aren't the numbers, however the community can come up with a sizable number of people who have the capability of becoming INGOTs Assessors/ Assessor Trainers in their local areas. The project does not need to be working on it's own certification (not straight away anyway) when a robust, proven, rigorously moderated Assessment and Certification programme is being handed to the project on a platter. Ian and his team have done all the work and have the systems in place. LibreO has the geographical spread and a growing community and hence the ability to generate funding for TDF. What better way to fund the foundation than through the efforts of the Community running grass roots certification programmes on behalf of their local community, on behalf of themselves and INGOTs and on behalf of the Foundation. Cheers GL ps: Yes I am biased so sue me. :) LOL... All I'm pointing out, Graham, is that we have not yet thought in-depth about the INGOTS programme. It sure looks interesting, and we must definitely investigate it, but you surely don't want us to feel forced? Best, Charles. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 10:52 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello everyone, Le Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:29:38 +0100, Monfort Florian florian.monf...@gmail.com a écrit : Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 09:27 +, Ian a écrit : I'm going to suscribe to the French mailing list ( as I am French lol ) and I think there are some people who could be interested of being representative for France. Should I talk about it ? Or is this something we should wait TDF to be a legal entity ? Bonjour Montfort, Je ne pense pas que vous avez besoin de retard. Il n'y a pas beaucoup de temps si les délégués veulent obtenir du financement pour la réunion par leur Agence nationale de l'UE.S'il vous plaît diffuser aussi largement que possible. Cela va m'aider si ces e-mail intéressés moi si je sais que la mesure de l'intérêt. Merci I think it's perhaps safe to remind everyone that this certification is not exactly a Document Foundation certification. First, we're in the process of establishing the foundation; second, we need to be working on a certification programme and I am not the only here, obviously, who thinks it's an essential matter :-) but we need to be working on it and give the time to do that. While I'm sure Ian has a lot of input on this, I would like to remind everyone here that the meeting Ian organizes is not done on behalf of the Document Foundation; as productive as it might be. I would have loved to join myself, but am running out of time. Thanks Charles. Just to add to this for further clarity :-). If we are to make an EU bid for money it has to be done in February so the January date is the last realistic time that we can leave that possibility open. My involvement started with Alexandro Colorado who is the lead for the OOo Certification project (before we knew anything about LO). The big problem for the certification project is no resources (as for many things :-) ). We already have a system for accrediting qualifications that is referenced to the QCF and we already have successful grant applications to the EU for developing more generic IT qualifications and a qualifications framework for people with learning disabilities to under-pin the EQF. We have some strong partners in Malaysia where there is a policy to migrate the government admin. to FOSS. We have partners in other countries built up over several years with varying degrees of activity linked to teaching and training. We have developed the supporting technology infrastructure all based on FOSS apps and that development continues funded by certificate sales, EU grants and our own investment. It is innovative and designed to get qualifications to people who could previously not afford them and to provide a sustainable income to support free learning content and applications. It's wider than just IT and can extend to all subjects. We already provide accredited qualifications in WP, SS, DB, Drawing and Presenting. (also in web technologies, mobile technologies etc) These are simply software agnostic and we have demand for other subjects. All that changes is the context of the specific application(s). So even if LO and OOo diverged it would be a long time before the differences were such that the certification would need to be different for each. However, it might be useful for employers to know that the person did the certification in the context of LO/OOo rather than say K-Office, Google Docs or MSO. One option is for TDF to endorse the fact that the certification was achieved using LO and charge a small amount for each certificate containing that endorsement. That then provides potential for community members to get paid for providing training that leads to that endorsed certificate and to get an income stream to TDF without it having to do anything labour intensive since we can manage this on its behalf. Of course that certificate then benefits from the credibility of being issued from both the community and an Awarding Organisation accredited by at least one National Government (and some more soon), and being referenced to the new European Qualifications Framework which has a high priority for grant funding. We also have the mechanism for providing evidence and issuing and authenticating certificates in place through Drupal with some custom modules and our own LAMP stack. The exact mechanism for working with TDF/OOo has yet to be worked out but we have to move otherwise we miss the opportunity to tap into hundreds of Euros in potential grant funding. The reason for a meeting in January is to work out how we can work together in partnership to help both sets of aims (our over-arching goal is to get free on-line education to everyone in the world funded through certification). Will we submit an EU grant application(s)? Who leads those applications? How does the certification work and how is it sustained? etc. At any point TDF can make a decision whether or not it
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Can we put marketing titles under our names?
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Matthew Copple mcop...@kcopensource.orgwrote: The structure, membership process, and governance of the Foundation need to be worked out quickly. The announcement of the TDF created a momentum of recognition in the community that is only going to last for a finite time. Once that buzz fades away, our ability to be heard above the background radiation fades with it. In short, everyone reads page 1 of LWN; almost no one reads the announcements page. It should be obvious which page we want our news to be on. Matt That momentum is already fading, a major announcement has been made and things are still not worked out. I have talked to a few people who already feel that TDF is going to move in similar ways as what has happened with OOo, only the opinions of the select few that started it are going to matter for the time being. I hope I am wrong about this, but there does not really seem to be any movement in expanding the TDF membership at this point. The only list of people in TDF that I can find is the list of SC members, and deputy members. Are there more members then those listed, and how soon do you plan to have more? Reading through the mailing list there are a dozen or two people that have been very active and came over almost from the announcement of the foundation, none of these people are coders but there contributions have been very good. We have accomplished something that we could not do in years with OOo, in just a few days, and that is get a better organized presence in North America, but that seems to have stagnated at this point also, maybe that is just my view, and maybe now it is going to take getting 3.3 out before we see anymore real growth. I will end this now, as I feel like I am rambling. James Walker -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Can we put marketing titles under our names?
Hi, :-) On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 21:43, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote: You are totally right, but setting up the structure is not trivial, and it takes time and energies. We have mailing lists for every major language now, and we are working at the bylaws, which include membership. Wouldn't it be a rational solution to go with the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) or the Free Software Foundation (FSF), which would save you guys re-inventing the wheel for a lot of stuff? Plus they both have great credibility and standing, etc. Plus, plus, plus... David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Video
Le 2010-11-02 10:05, James Walker a écrit : What would be very cool would be to come up with something funny that would have the chance to go viral on YouTube. Maybe something along the lines of someone sitting around with 400 dollars wondering what they can do with it. and unstood of buying MS Office, they download LibreOffice and but a couple really cool gadgets with the money. Just throwing out an idea, it seems like viral videos not only get YouTube time, but they also sometimes even make CNN's homepage. James Walker We could have more than one video production on the go. We should also post the videos on the TDF/LibO YouTube account (do we have one?) to get people used to going there as well. This is also where we should also post any instructional videos on LibO for new/medium/power users. We should try to make it a very dynamic site. As for ideas for videos, I still like the idea where you get the audience to participate in saying: I use LibreOffice for work/school/fun etc.(which ever purposes they use it for) and that we take receipt of any audience video clip and glue these from end to end and post them on the LibO YouTube site. As the video clip grows, people would have to scroll through to see where their contribution was inserted and it would give people a view that LibO is used extensively all over the world. Fun for kids to watch as well as well enthused adults or commercial clients. We could/should form a Marketing Video Team of people who would be interested in fostering and mentoring such projects. Marc -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Can we put marketing titles under our names?
Le 2010-11-02 11:32, Thomas Krumbein a écrit : Hey, I agree with James, structures should be settle up very soon! And we should show this - in public! [..] My real point is, we cannot afford to stagnate, and cannot take 3-4 months to really get the foundation set up, it needs to happen soon, or we will fade away. We also cannot promote LibreOffice to people if the infrastructure is not in place, including the by-laws of the foundation. Well, I believe, this is another point, the by-laws of the foundation. It is not nessassary, that his goes hand by hand, by-laws of the foundation will take more time and ( I believe) even more discussion, but this can be done independent of the structure and a Fondation Committee. This should be start working immediatly - and local homepages should be settle up include all names of people, who are responsible for local activities. Best regards Thomas My personal opinion is that since the SC and founding members do have to work on the by-laws and other legal matters, the marketing people should then have a temporary assigned title such as: Marc Paré LibreOffice Canada Marketing Team Member The title is a very universal title and does not represent any kind of hierarchical role. To safeguard the appropriate use of the temporary title, I would suggest that each LibO marketing teams identify a Marketing Team Lead who will oversee the marketing team member use of the unofficial title of her/his section. So for example, the US Marketing Team would pick a Maketing Team Lead from the US-marketing team and from there, whoever is in charge would assume the responsibility of the US member use of the unofficial title of Marketing Team Member. I don't think there would be too many marketing sections at this point. So for example, in this case: John Doe LibreOffice US Marketing Team Member This could perhaps take care of the title issue until the legal paperwork is completed. Official titles could be discussed later on. BTW ... we have been told to be ready for a final LibO version for distribution in 4-8 weeks. I will be data mining my sources for email addresses this week and next and will be ready for a Canadian mail-out of approximately 75-100 emails. I would really like to attach my name with some kind of title at that time if at all possible. I don't think that Drew's suggested title (below) would inspire too much confidence. (*smiles*) Marc Unofficial Canadian Marketing Liaison to the, still coalescing, US Marketing group of the, not yet formed, Document Foundation -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Can we put marketing titles under our names?
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 11:11 -0400, James Walker wrote: One of those is there needs to be a tab at the top of the website that says Help or support and it should not take weeks to get it. Hi James, You need to push that on the website list - that is how things work, you really need to pick the right list. As for the new site - I don't know of a date, but the new server went up over the weekend, the actual work on the libreoffice site is under way however. As for urgency - I agree, at least with regard to the LibreOffice 1.0 release date. For the moment I doubt we are getting much in the way of downloads. There are already 2 web forums as I count it - and there could be a third in very short order. I think we will be alright in the long run on this. There is also ML for those that prefer ...snide remark removed Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Can we put marketing titles under our names?
Hi all, On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: [...] Definition of Community member becomes more and more important, so we should find a way to have an official list on the website (or on the wiki with locked content) stating their names and contributions. There is a work on this done by Sebastian Spaeth, the listing for the moment conerns developers and wiki contributors. Of course this is a work in progress visible here: http://libreoffice.org/credits.html Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] French Gendarmerie migrating on Ubuntu
Hi all, In case you miss it :) http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/resources/case-studies/french-national-police-force-saves-%E2%82%AC2-million-year-ubuntu?sms_ss=twitterat_xt=4ccea3acab49d9,067 Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
On Tue Nov 02 2010 10:43:36 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising Templating Teams? This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to come up with different templates for various categories. The members would be picked according to their expertise in these categories. In general I agree with you. But why limit to those that have expertise in a given area. I may not have the expertise but I can and have worked up templates for others. The person may have an idea or details but not be able to do the template due to lack of understanding on how to use style or the like. A real team would have expertise in several areas working together. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Video
I like that idea. Dave Johnson On Nov 2, 2010 9:05 AM, James Walker centra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: Christoph and Dave, On... E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org marketing%252bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send... What would be very cool would be to come up with something funny that would have the chance to go viral on YouTube. Maybe something along the lines of someone sitting around with 400 dollars wondering what they can do with it. and unstood of buying MS Office, they download LibreOffice and but a couple really cool gadgets with the money. Just throwing out an idea, it seems like viral videos not only get YouTube time, but they also sometimes even make CNN's homepage. James Walker -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives a... -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 11:14 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: On Tue Nov 02 2010 10:43:36 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising Templating Teams? This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to come up with different templates for various categories. The members would be picked according to their expertise in these categories. In general I agree with you. But why limit to those that have expertise in a given area. Hi Andy, I think it would be good to look at this in a limited way - which is this, there would be good value in encouraging people to create these targeted presentations, targeted to a usage, occupationally focused, group, and created by individuals with solid experience in occupational field. (education, medicine, build mailing ...) I would not take that to mean that anyone would value less general use presentations and would specifically encourage you to offer anything you would want to produce. I know you have worked on some tri-fold style pieces and in your case a general type LibreOffice presentation and tri-fold brochure piece, ready for local printing (most folks can handle 5-10 pieces) would be IMO a huge contribution. Thanks Drew I may not have the expertise but I can and have worked up templates for others. The person may have an idea or details but not be able to do the template due to lack of understanding on how to use style or the like. A real team would have expertise in several areas working together. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 14:34 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-02 14:14, Andy Brown a écrit : On Tue Nov 02 2010 10:43:36 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising Templating Teams? This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to come up with different templates for various categories. The members would be picked according to their expertise in these categories. In general I agree with you. But why limit to those that have expertise in a given area. I may not have the expertise but I can and have worked up templates for others. The person may have an idea or details but not be able to do the template due to lack of understanding on how to use style or the like. A real team would have expertise in several areas working together. Andy Agreed. Anyone could do it. I find that when you team up people with a common interest, then their passion for that common interest, they will feed off each other. An individual such as yourself could help in focussing their work and help with their technical knowledge. Hi Marc Well, actually there is a rather natural team function possible here also - team as in one or more individuals willing to take on some personal responsibilities. Mainly - over the course time lots of people will be giving presentations at lots of venues - it would nice IMO to have someone willing to coordinate a library of these presentations - links, copies, I'm not sure, most likely a combination. The team could look at and present to the overall project their ideas for getting a good system in place such that when people want to find these old artifacts they can. Anyway - a more general comment on your idea Drew -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 14:24 -0400, drew wrote: Specifically I'm thinking of taking the wiki page from OOo that covers the first 10 years and using that as the basis for this, 4-6, page presentation Roots - The Story of LibreOffice or some such. It can be an ice breaker for small meetup groups, or the first 3 pages to presentations by others. Hi, just recalled - at the 10 year history page over at the OO.o wiki, there was an edit, added as an ending, a few days before the front page began pointing to the wiki page - I asked the person that added it to please remove it, and said that there would be time to use it after the 13th..I went back and grabbed it from the logs..it is pretty good as the last entry first entry in this 'history' IMO September 2010: '''Corporate development and community effort.''' To the tenth anniversary of the project, a new era in the development of OpenOffice.org has commenced. The project diversified and strengthened its activities with the establishment of an independent foundation for OpenOffice.org, The Document Foundation, comprising of efforts by the Oracle development team, by the OpenOffice.org community, by Go-OO.org, and other third parties. Although Oracle as primary funding organisation of the OpenOffice.org development was not involved in the establishment of the new foundation, it may become member and one of the leading members of The Document Foundation. Gerald just passing it along... Drew -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
Le 2010-11-02 14:24, drew a écrit : Hi Marc, Great idea - not sure we need a team, per se, but a place to collect these would be of great help, IMO. I would be bold enough to turn this email around and challenge you to help lead this by putting together a short presentation on LibreOffice / ODF / FOSS as if you where to deliver this to a small group, say at a lunch time presentation to the IT team of a small public school system in CA, as this I believe is your personal perspective. To be clear I'm not speaking of a template specifically, rather it is the content, write a 15 minute presentation. I would not be so bold without willingness to also help - IMO a great presentation to have as a shared resource would be one going over the pre-LibreOffice history of the applications. Specifically I'm thinking of taking the wiki page from OOo that covers the first 10 years and using that as the basis for this, 4-6, page presentation Roots - The Story of LibreOffice or some such. It can be an ice breaker for small meetup groups, or the first 3 pages to presentations by others. So, what do you say - shall we get the first 2 shared presentations into the LibreOffice Presentation Library... Drew Hi Drew. Thanks for the answer. I don't think that this would work at the level that I was speaking of. I really hadn't thought of it for the students at the elementary/secondary levels. As far as repetitive events, as educators, we use these as tools to solidify student abilities (not knowledge) in performing tasks. For example, there could be template on setting up the form of a short story, but this would defeat the purpose of the exercise in having the student identifying the principal parts and working within these parameters. In my opinion, at this level, we would want to present to groups of teachers. I see templates as being more useful in Academia where setting formats are of little concern from the point of view of student assessment. The students are expected to be experienced in many abilities and the focus is mostly on knowledge. (Perhaps not as much at the College level where, in Canada, the focus is still in a small way built on student abilities but in large part knowledge.) Templates, in my opinion, are really useful in different domains of which too many. I would imagine that if there were a LibO Template Team that we would want to encourage templaters who would be interested in the larger and more conventional domains such as business; legal; music; cooking; education; academia etc. Under these domains there would be a breakdown to smaller components of that particular domain. I would rather concentrate on starting with very passionate individuals who are deeply active in a particular domain and its inner workings and convince them to try templating with, at first, mentoring. Once this person is able to template, I think that we would find that she/he would have had conferenced with people like her/him and had more individuals interested in joining. These individuals are always in search of perfecting their work habits. Its a case of finding the right individuals, light the fuse, mentoring and seeing them work and connect with others like them. Marc -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
Le 2010-11-02 14:39, drew a écrit : Hi Andy, I think it would be good to look at this in a limited way - which is this, there would be good value in encouraging people to create these targeted presentations, targeted to a usage, occupationally focused, group, and created by individuals with solid experience in occupational field. (education, medicine, build mailing ...) I would not take that to mean that anyone would value less general use presentations and would specifically encourage you to offer anything you would want to produce. I know you have worked on some tri-fold style pieces and in your case a general type LibreOffice presentation and tri-fold brochure piece, ready for local printing (most folks can handle 5-10 pieces) would be IMO a huge contribution. Thanks Drew Actually, I would see Andrew's job more like the technical mentor of the group. Sometimes it is better to have a person who is not really entrenched in that particular activity and to shed new eyes on the problem. In essence, templating is often a way to simplify or to organize a regular/repetitive operation. Individuals like Andy would be an asset in that they may find a different route to the template's expected result. Marc -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
Le 2010-11-02 14:24, drew a écrit : Hi Marc, Great idea - not sure we need a team, per se, but a place to collect these would be of great help, IMO. I would be bold enough to turn this email around and challenge you to help lead this by putting together a short presentation on LibreOffice / ODF / FOSS as if you where to deliver this to a small group, say at a lunch time presentation to the IT team of a small public school system in CA, as this I believe is your personal perspective. To be clear I'm not speaking of a template specifically, rather it is the content, write a 15 minute presentation. Hi Drew: I have done such live presentations but not with a specifically designed presentations for IT groups. From the years of my committee work and advocating OOo and now LibO I can tell you one thing for sure, if there is no LibO IT support for Migration from MSO to LibO as well as LibO networking support you will not get IT interested. We can present all we want, we can convince teacher, staff all we want, but IT, who holds all of the connectivity cards, will not agree to a LibO installation until LibO has a solid LibO network support option as well a clear MSO migration support option for the Office/Admin. They feel even more at ease if this support is a paid support. I imagine that this is most likely the same for large business organisations. School boards are considered equal to larger organisations. My school board teaches approximately 100,000 students and has over 10,000 cmputers. And we are not considered a large school board. We are pretty well considered a medium size school board. This is why I was so interested in the different support levels (1,2,3,4) when they were mentioned. If we are to have an impact in schools, then we have to address this need for support either at our OSS level, where we could develop an opensource support ticket system or until we find a for-profit support ticket system. This would definitely clinch the sale of LibO to school organisations. Selling the product to teachers and parents is, in my opinion, still important as we are going about it the grass roots way. Once the students clamour for ODF support from the MSO installations in schools, as well as parents, then scool board will have a close look at migrations. But, again, without support, IT will look at MSO import filters instead of migrating. Marc -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 13:43 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit : I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising Templating Teams? This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to come up with different templates for various categories. The members would be picked according to their expertise in these categories. For example, I am an expert in 14th-19th century keyboard reconstruction. Some of my regular jobs is to order specific wire for strings. As I order from one individual in the UK on a regular basis, I would join the template team and be in charged of the Period Keyboard Restoration category and build templates according to the needs in this category. Another example, which has been discussed, is a Religions - Evangelical category, where the person responsible for this section would be in charge of templating various forms that done regularly by church admins, church music directors, chruch ministers etc. If we were to setup a Templating Team group and published a large variety of templates, then the LibO suite would become more valuable as an Office suite for everyone. We would not have to find templating specialists but in most cases, we could all make an effort to convince people who are active in a particular domain and has a central administering role in making an organisation work. These people would be the most likely people to make use of repetitive chores/documents. We could then organise a templating mentoring programme where members could get help in learning on how to template as well as on-hands help in template construction. What do you think? BTW, I do have a person who may be interested in creating some templates for Evangelical church routines. She just needs a little more convincing as she is too busy filling out forms that she does on a weekly repetitive basis. Cheers Marc Wow ! I am realy impressed as you all seem really concerned by churches ! I don't know if it is due to the french culture, but I am not used to care that much about religions ! -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[off list] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
On Tue Nov 02 2010 11:39:35 GMT-0700 (PDT) drew wrote: Hi Andy, I think it would be good to look at this in a limited way - which is this, there would be good value in encouraging people to create these targeted presentations, targeted to a usage, occupationally focused, group, and created by individuals with solid experience in occupational field. (education, medicine, build mailing ...) I would not take that to mean that anyone would value less general use presentations and would specifically encourage you to offer anything you would want to produce. I know you have worked on some tri-fold style pieces and in your case a general type LibreOffice presentation and tri-fold brochure piece, ready for local printing (most folks can handle 5-10 pieces) would be IMO a huge contribution. Do we have somewhere set aside on the wiki to up load items? I have redone the pamphlet and would like others to look at and give feedback. I also have a couple of templates that I did that I can move/convert to LibO that I can up load as well. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [off list] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 13:24 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: Do we have somewhere set aside on the wiki to up load items? I have redone the pamphlet and would like others to look at and give feedback. I also have a couple of templates that I did that I can move/convert to LibO that I can up load as well. I would recommend we use the language naming so: wiki/EN/Marketing-Materials wiki/EN/Marketing-Materials#presentations wiki/EN/Marketing-Materials#handouts wiki/EN/Marketing-Materials#sets ... However there is already this page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material What I would suggest is that you do this: Create what you have in mind. Upload to the wiki On your personal page add a link to the upload, and a few lines describing what the item is. Let the list know Somewhere between now and then, should be able to figure out how we want to lay that out on the wiki. Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, Monfort Florian wrote: Wow ! I am realy impressed as you all seem really concerned by churches ! I don't know if it is due to the french culture, but I am not used to care that much about religions ! Yes I think it may be quite true that this is a regional difference - not just for OO.o/LibreOffice alone, but FOSS in general IMO. Which is really to say, in the general population. But from personal experience OOo has a strong user base in the faith communities, and they are many, in North America. Education is another possible difference - I've come into contact with some in the home schooling, religious and charter school movements in the US. This group is IMO much more open to accepting of FOSS. I'm not sure there is a real correlation to these groups in some other geographic areas..but I could be full of hot air on that (what it's like in other places) also..I do know there is interest in that group in the US anyway. Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Change icon?
Hi again, Lucas, :-) Afterthought: why don't you also bring this subject up on the [tdf-discuss] list, where more people can be exposed to your idea? David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
Le 2010-11-02 19:58, David Nelson a écrit : Hi Lucas, :-) I remember you brought this subject up before. I remember it didn't really inspire me at that time, but I think I've changed my mind. I have mentioned a couple of times in threads that I find the current sheet of paper logo to be static, and to be lacking sharp identity and recognizability. I was suggesting that LibO needed a living character along the lines of Linux's Tux the penguin. I felt that such a character could be declined/derived for multiple uses and needs, and could quickly acquire a life of its own. I visualize something that can be used in graphics and animations. On second consideration of your idea, I feel it could have great potential. It has the simplicity of genius, so seemingly trivial that one could discard the notion without a second thought. But I think you may have hit on the idea of the century for LibO. Your paper plane fits in superbly with the paper sheet, as a natural development thereof. The possibilities are many. It can be made into something that fires empathy in the young and old, the simple and the sophisticated. What do you think about the idea of giving it eyes, or some kind of face? Can you find a way to breathe life into it, like the old man into Pinnochio? I would warmly encourage you to keep working on your concept. If I can be of assistance in any way, please feel free to contact me. I think this idea could be a real winner, and has some brilliance. Lots of potential. My 0.2 cents. I'm really hoping that second thoughts about it will inspire people in the project. I'll be watching out to hear more about your invention. David Nelson Yes, we could have two discussions about this. One on this side with this thread and the other (we will monitor it) on the discuss list. Before we do this. Is there any business or organization that uses a paper airplane as a logo? I can't think of any off the top of my head in my region. Is there a way to research this? Marc -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Video
I like this idea... but is sends the wrong message. Can you give me another idea like this? I'll try to think up a cool idea too. The viral vid is a great PR tool. On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:05 AM, James Walker wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: Christoph and Dave, On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: I'm sorry to start a new thread ... but I am unable to find the original one. Dave proposed to make a short film like the Meet Firefox video. And as far as I know, he asked for some storyboard ideas ... Dave, just some ideas: * Content based on the initial and universal LibO presentation (in progress) * Unique features of LibO (is there any feature list yet?) * Compatibility with ODF * What's unique for the LibO community? (if people care about that, maybe an additional video?) * Where to download it? (some people just don't know ...) For the others: Dave already linked a proposal from the Marketing ideas page. I refined the section a bit (e.g. link to the Firefox video), so enjoy: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#Web-page_video_similar_to_the_.22Meet_Firefox.22 . @ Dave: Thanks! If we can do something like that ... just great. It would be insanely cool to have something ready for LibO 3.3! So, after joining the interview thing, is there time to do something like that? Any other thoughts? Dave, should the ideas be added to the wiki - that would make it easier to track it (especially for you)? An intro video would be great! From the perspective of potential new users, I think it would be really appealing to have a video intro and welcome message that we promote in a very visible location or locations. In fact, in wireframes I put together for the future LibO homepage, I suggested a video of this type, right next to the download button. (I have attached the wireframe to the wiki as an ODG, but I'll make a PNG and put it in the page for easy viewing momentarily: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Site_IA_and_Wireframes ) Go for it! -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted What would be very cool would be to come up with something funny that would have the chance to go viral on YouTube. Maybe something along the lines of someone sitting around with 400 dollars wondering what they can do with it. and unstood of buying MS Office, they download LibreOffice and but a couple really cool gadgets with the money. Just throwing out an idea, it seems like viral videos not only get YouTube time, but they also sometimes even make CNN's homepage. James Walker -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
Le 2010-11-02 19:58, David Nelson a écrit : Your paper plane fits in superbly with the paper sheet, as a natural development thereof. The possibilities are many. It can be made into something that fires empathy in the young and old, the simple and the sophisticated. What do you think about the idea of giving it eyes, or some kind of face? Can you find a way to breathe life into it, like the old man into Pinnochio? David Nelson I don't think you would need to personify it. How about when you start a document, the logo starts off with the LibO logo that we have worked on and the more you type, the more the folds of a paper plane appear, and then the logo shows a paper plane outline to finally its final shape of a paper plane ready to fly ... it is done! Marc -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Video
Le 2010-11-02 21:35, Dave Johnson a écrit : I like this idea... but is sends the wrong message. Can you give me another idea like this? I'll try to think up a cool idea too. The viral vid is a great PR tool. @ Dave: Thanks! If we can do something like that ... just great. It would be insanely cool to have something ready for LibO 3.3! So, after joining the interview thing, is there time to do something like that? Any other thoughts? Dave, should the ideas be added to the wiki - that would make it easier to track it (especially for you)? An intro video would be great! From the perspective of potential new users, I think it would be really appealing to have a video intro and welcome message that we promote in a very visible location or locations. In fact, in wireframes I put together for the future LibO homepage, I suggested a video of this type, right next to the download button. (I have attached the wireframe to the wiki as an ODG, but I'll make a PNG and put it in the page for easy viewing momentarily: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Site_IA_and_Wireframes ) Go for it! -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.orgfor instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted What would be very cool would be to come up with something funny that would have the chance to go viral on YouTube. Maybe something along the lines of someone sitting around with 400 dollars wondering what they can do with it. and unstood of buying MS Office, they download LibreOffice and but a couple really cool gadgets with the money. Just throwing out an idea, it seems like viral videos not only get YouTube time, but they also sometimes even make CNN's homepage. James Walker -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted How about, a young couple standing in front of 2 stores side by side, looking intently at both storefronts, both dreesed in casual but hip coats, texting on their Android phones . On one side is the techie store and on the other side there's a Humane Society building with a sign advertising a pure bred Bichon Frisé for $400US. The couple look at each other. Phase in the Freedom song, still looking at each other, embrace and smile. Shot of couple from behind walking away with the Bichon Frisé (still the Freedom song palying) and with overlay of woman or man -- We all have choices, you've made it with LibreOffice. A suite deal! (Woman lifts the dog up in the air with both arms in a sign of victory.) Text overlay Visit LibreOffice.org ... free yourself. -- Freedom song ends with a long Freedom and fading drum beat. Marc -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/02/2010 05:43 PM, Marc Paré wrote: The members would be picked according to their expertise in these categories. The ability to create a template is more important that knowledge of the field. If we were to setup a Templating Team group and published a large variety of templates, then the LibO suite would become more valuable as an Office suite for everyone. My suggestion would to be provide a templating_team with the specifications for the template, and let them create the template. A clean room implementation of the template. creating some templates for Evangelical church routines. For some things, such as membership records, a database is required. (I'm not going to get into a PICK v RDBM debate here.) For others, a simple Write, Calc, or Impress template is suitable. In an ideal situation, there is a database_creation team, that works in conjunction with the template_creation team. The template_creation team create a calc, impress, or write template, that is then passed on to the database_creation team. This (database) team then determines whether this is something that is suitable for a database, and if so, creates a database, and the associated interface requirements. [Database rant: LibO should either add SQLite as a built in database engine, or else replace Base database engine with SQLite.] My guess is that some, if not most of the databases, will have to be constructed as extensions. For example, a genealogical database would have to be able to both import, and export data in GEDCOM format. With experience, the database_creation team and the template_creation team can construct templates, extensions, databases, and other items that are on a par with those for MSO that have an MSRP of US$10K+. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzQ8jUACgkQaC1raifmCuFdBACeOL6NHxl6m2WfZcwh0vASoVZH x4kAnRY+92531vKb9MwmQ3ZOopPcl/l+ =pbjt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
