Re: [Marxism] Building for a Socialist Brexit
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I fully agree with John: the British national state as well as the EU proto-state formation are BOTH instruments for the imperialist ruling class (or different factions of the ruling class) in order to impose their interests on the working class. To side with one against the other is the same reactionary nonsense as siding in imperialist countries between Globalization vs Protectionism (or, to give another analogy, between the Republicans vs the Democrats in the U.S.). Engels quote is absolutely correct. It seems that, according to John, not only Marx and Engels but also Hilferding and Lenin (who repeated Engels statement quoted by John) didn't "understand" the nature of imperialist protectionism! Bold statement! No, John, austerity against workers takes place inside the European Union AS WELL AS outside of it. As this is a decade-long debate (most of the British left - from the Stalinists to most "Trotskyists" - adapts to British chauvinism and supports Brexit) there exists a vast literature on this issue. Here are two pamphlets which deal in detail with the British left and their position on Brexit. https://www.thecommunists.net/theory/british-left-and-eu-referendum/ https://www.thecommunists.net/theory/eu-and-brexit/ -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Building for a Socialist Brexit
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I fully agree with John! The British national state as well as the EU proto-state formation are BOTH instruments for the imperialist ruling class (or different factions of the ruling class) in order to impose their interests on the working class. To side with one against the other is the same reactionary nonsense as siding in imperialist countries between Globalization vs Protectionism (or, to give another analogy, between the Republicans vs the Democrats in the U.S.). Engels quote is absolutely correct. It seems that, according to John, not only Marx and Engels but also Hilferding and Lenin (who repeated Engels statement quoted by John) didn't "understand" the nature of imperialist protectionism! Bold statement! No, John, austerity against workers takes place inside the European Union AS WELL AS outside of it. As this is a decade-long debate (most of the British left - from the Stalinists to most "Trotskyists" - adapts to British chauvinism and supports Brexit) there exists a vast literature on this issue. Here are two pamphlets which deal in detail with the British left and their position on Brexit. https://www.thecommunists.net/theory/british-left-and-eu-referendum/ https://www.thecommunists.net/theory/eu-and-brexit/ -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa Activists Are Freaking Out About a Proposed 'Unmasking' Law - VICE
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/11/18 10:19 PM, Saman Sepehri via Marxism wrote: Louis, seriously... this is what you are focusing on? Rather than this is a right wing attack, comparing anti-fascists to the KKK? S. Okay. let me spell things out. The black bloc is a counter-productive tactic no matter the intentions of those that carry it out. When you wear masks and go on window-breaking rampages, it allows the state to discredit the entire movement. It also leads to terrible victimization. A number of people who had nothing to do with the window-breaking idiocy on Inauguration Day were swept up by the cops and now face lengthy prison terms. If a law is passed that prevents people wearing masks at protests, that will have zero impact on legitimate mass movement building. The Vietnam antiwar movement, the civil rights movement, the gay movement, the woman's liberation movement, the anti-nuclear movement all produced significant gains without having people wearing masks and breaking windows. These ultraleft idiots have to get their act together if the law passes. It may lead to agent-provocateurs finding other ways to make money but the economy is expanding and they should do okay. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Antifa Activists Are Freaking Out About a Proposed 'Unmasking' Law - VICE
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/11/18 10:19 PM, Saman Sepehri via Marxism wrote: > Louis, seriously... this is what you are focusing on? Rather than this is a right wing attack, comparing anti-fascists to the KKK? > S. Louis: Okay. let me spell things out. The black bloc is a counter-productive tactic no matter the intentions of those that carry it out. When you wear masks and go on window-breaking rampages, it allows the state to discredit the entire movement. It also leads to terrible victimization. A number of people who had nothing to do with the window-breaking idiocy on Inauguration Day were swept up by the cops and now face lengthy prison terms. Actually, all the charges against the Inauguration Day detainees have been dropped by prosecutors. Of the 21 people who admitted their guilt, only one person did four months in jail; the rest were not sentenced at all. No one is facing a lengthy prison term. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/federal-prosecutors-abruptly-dismiss-all-remaining-inauguration-day-rioting-cases/2018/07/06/d7055ffe-7ee8-11e8-bb6b-c1cb691f1402_story.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa Activists Are Freaking Out About a Proposed 'Unmasking' Law - VICE
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/12/18 8:07 AM, Thomas Campbell via Marxism wrote: Actually, all the charges against the Inauguration Day detainees have been dropped by prosecutors. Of the 21 people who admitted their guilt, only one person did four months in jail; the rest were not sentenced at all. No one is facing a lengthy prison term. This was a result of prosecution malfeasance involving the withholding of video evidence. It could have turned out worse. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutors-withdraw-inauguration-day-rioting-charges-against-7-people/2018/05/31/2dbb824c-6404-11e8-99d2-0d678ec08c2f_story.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Building for a Socialist Brexit
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The frustrating thing about this debate is how polarised the left in Britain has become. Of course the left is going to be split on this issue. The working class is split on this issue. You know why? Because the referendum gave them a choice between two different versions of capitalism. Only a mad or bad capitalist government would call a referendum asking you if you wanted a) Capitalism, or b) Socialism. If they call a referendum, you can be damn sure neither result will bring about the collapse of the capitalist world order. I voted Remain, but I accept that there are many good reasons for a socialist to oppose the E.U. The least intelligent argument is that the E.U., as a capitalist neoliberal bloc, would somehow impede the development of socialism in the U.K. That’s not exactly on the cards at this moment, but even if it were, it’s essentially a socialism in one country perspective, and really just a hangover from the 1970s, where democratic socialists and Stalinists feared that inclusion in the EEC would stop them from being able to nationalise things. A more interesting anti-E.U. argument actually came from the third worldists – that the E.U. was essentially an imperialist bloc, that “freedom of movement” only applied to Europeans, and the E.U. was set up to ensure that European countries could continue to exploit the third world after the collapse of Empire. That’s entirely accurate. However, none of the above arguments were driving Brexit. The Brexit faction of the ruling class (the right wing of the Conservatives), were motivated by Atlantacism. They saw the E.U. as a block to trade with the United States. Their ideology is anti-regulation “free market” capitalism, which appeals to what remains of small capitalists here (who resent having to do things like pay minimum wage and not being able to victimise their staff staff). The E.U serves the interests of big capital, not small capital (generally speaking), and therefore small capitalists tend to resent it, feeling trampled. The alliance between a handful of Atlantacist big capitalists in the Conservative Party, and what remains of the British petty bourgeoisie could not, of course, have delivered the Leave vote. So naturally, they fell back on nationalism. There are in Britain, just like in America and throughout Europe, many, many working class people who have been dispossessed by neoliberalism. They are people who used to constitute the “working class aristocracy” – meaning they (or their parents or grandparents) had safe jobs, a strong union, better than average pay, etc. That’s now gone. It had been eroding for years, but the 2008 crash demonstrated that starkly. They’re angry, they’re very angry, and they’re being told that the reason for the collapse of their living standards is immigration, the E.U. (and blacks, gays, women, Muslims). The E.U. is essentially a liberal capitalist project. The post-1945 liberal theory of international relations is one of multilateralism and globalisation. They believe that the WTO, IMF NATO, the E.U., the G7, etc. are essential to their vision of world order and stability. In their version of history, it was the failure to create such international NGOs that led to the two world wars. Therefore, the liberal bourgeoisie is in full panic at Brexit, and Trump’s attacks on these institutions. The so-called “right wing populists” who drove Brexit and drive Trumpism, are basically nationalist free marketeers, who are working for the roll back of the liberal agenda both internationally and internally, and use cheap racism and general reactionary ideas to drive it. Both the liberal capitalists and the reactionary right are of course damaging to the working class. The difference is that the reactionary right are aiming to roll back even the limited gains that have been achieved under liberal democracy. Basic things such as abortion rights, gay rights, trade union rights and intolerance of overt racism. In my opinion, Brexit should be viewed in the light of this growing (and powerful) international trend towards extreme reaction. Not everybody who voted Brexit is a member of this movement, or would agree with every one of its aims; but it was most definitely used as a vehicle by the reactionary right to launch themselves into a stronger position in the British state. The hard right of the Conservative Party used to be considered the lunatic fringe – they’re very close to capturing the leadership of that party (which is for all intents and purposes the ruling party of the British state). The solution? The British left needs to stop arguing about how they did/should have voted in the referendum.
[Marxism] The forgotten history of revolutionary Raqqa, and its deep wounds | openDemocracy
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[Marxism] Dreams of National Capital: Market Socialism, Past and Present | The Brooklyn Rail
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[Marxism] Fantasies of Secession: A Critique of Left Economic Nationalism | The Brooklyn Rail
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Whether it is explicitly called for or not, “delinking” from the global economy to nationalize finance is a major premise of current proposals to resurrect social democracy in one country. To have any chance, the argument runs, this plan would require strict capital controls.8 These are needed to combat massive capital flight in the event that a serious social-democratic government accedes to power. Likewise, strong bulwarks against cross-border transactions would free national governments and their banking systems to direct credit into socially useful ends by sharply curtailing international flows of funds, literally “closing borders to money,” in Mason’s words.9 At the moment, left-wing intellectuals are generally favorable to the notion of splitting off from the world market to pursue national economic sovereignty. Besides Mason, Peter Gowan has recently made the case for reviving full capital controls as a key part in a comprehensive plan for democratic socialism.10 Vivek Chibber, with his full-throated defense of market socialism, would also presumably support them, insofar as socializing a country’s financial assets to return them to its citizens would require walling them off from the international investor class.11 This orientation is also clearly evident in some strange panel comments from perhaps the best known Marxist economist, Robert Brenner. Perversely, in speaking engagements following the 2016 U.S. Presidential elections, Brenner lamented the dim prospects for a genuinely anti-neoliberal “statism” from the Trump administration. Such “statism,” in Brenner’s view, is obviously the only way to counter “neoliberal global capitalism.” It only needs to have a “leftist” rather than a reactionary form.12 full: https://brooklynrail.org/2018/02/field-notes/Fantasies-of-Secession-A-Critique-of-Left-Economic-Nationalism _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [pen-l] Dreams of National Capital: Market Socialism, Past and Present | The Brooklyn Rail
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Re: [Marxism] Acknowledging the contradictions of socialism in ‘the other Germany’
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[Marxism] Trump's war on Black jocks
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[Marxism] Theresa May and the degeneration of British capitalism
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "The recent gyrations of the May government are descending into farce. "Trotsky once wrote that the British imperialists “do their thinking in terms of centuries and continents”. It seems hard to reconcile this majestic image of Victorian statesmanship with the antics of their descendants today. Centuries and continents? Nowadays the heirs to the British empire flee in xenophobic panic from their very own continent, and stagger on blindly from one day to the next. That’s the context of the collapse of Theresa May’s so-called “Chequers deal”, which, as Jeremy Corbyn says, “took two years to reach and just two days to unravel”. *"Days of British Empire long gone* In the days of the British Empire, their ancestors had become virtuosi at playing off rival foes and fleeting allies in their maintenance of world domination. Two world wars and the collapse of their empire forced their descendants to accept a hobbled status as a subordinate patronised by US imperialism, their horizons curtailed to a couple of years at most. Their political runts of the present generation can see no further than their own noses, improvising with no more than a makeshift box of tricks from one stopgap stunt to the next." Read entire article: https://oaklandsocialist.com/2018/07/12/theresa-may-and-the-degeneration-of-british-capitalism/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Milford Graves: Full Mantis | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
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Re: [Marxism] The forgotten history of revolutionary Raqqa, and its deep wounds | openDemocracy
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[Marxism] [UCE] Ajamu Baraka on Ocasio-Cortez
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Ocasio-Cortez and the tendency she represents may end-up being the ultimate short-term sheep dogs, especially for millennials, that critical demographic most open to socialism. But if that becomes the case, it will not be because of the power and skill of this tendency but the failure on the part of those of us who are attempting to build an independent alternative to win over those elements. Don’t tell me about DSA’s 40,000 members when the Green Party has close to 300,000 members. Ideas have consequences, the cultural and ideological struggle is central. The reactionary forces understand this simple fact. It is past the time for leftists in the U.S. to come to terms with this area of struggle and learn to execute it much better than we have up to now. https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/07/cultural-and-ideological-struggle-in-the-u-s-a-final-comment-on-ocasio-cortez/ -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Injecting life into socialism: Post-1956 Hungarian art and Soviet flower power | Eric A. Gordon | People's World
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[Marxism] How Conservatives Bet Big on Wisconsin and Won
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * NY Times, July 12, 2018 How Conservatives Bet Big on Wisconsin and Won By Jennifer Szalai The Fall of Wisconsin The Conservative Conquest of a Progressive Bastion and the Future of American Politics By Dan Kaufman 319 pages. W.W. Norton & Company. $26.95. Hardcore conservatives adore infrastructure, and they’re phenomenally good at building it. This isn’t to say they’re necessarily committed to constructing roads and bridges and dams; it’s the infrastructure of their own movement — the one that has helped Republican politicians seize power in state legislatures over the past decade — that inspires their real dedication. Their efforts have been chronicled in books like Jane Mayer’s “Dark Money” and Nancy MacLean’s “Democracy in Chains.” A conservative donor class, seeking to protect its agenda from the uncertainties of a democratic system, has erected a scaffolding of legislative groups and gerrymandered districts with the care and diligence of a structural engineer. For progressives, Wisconsin has been a demoralizing case in point. In “The Fall of Wisconsin: The Conservative Conquest of a Progressive Bastion and the Future of American Politics,” the Brooklyn-based journalist and Wisconsin native Dan Kaufman shows how the state became a conservative test case. As the head of the right-wing, Milwaukee-based Bradley Foundation told him, “Wisconsin is a laboratory for the rest of the country.” The state, which Barack Obama carried over John McCain by 14 points in 2008, was supposed to be part of Hillary Clinton’s “blue wall” in the 2016 election. It instead went to Donald J. Trump, pushing him past the number of Electoral College votes he needed to win the presidency. As Kaufman makes clear, though, the notion that Wisconsin in 2016 was some sort of Democratic stronghold showed just how complacent Clinton and the liberal establishment had become. Trump, sensing an opportunity, made an aggressive play for the state. Clinton, in stark contrast, sent surrogates instead of showing up herself. Kaufman describes her as not just out of touch but quite literally not there. True, Wisconsin was long known for its progressive traditions; in the early 20th century, its state legislature established the nation’s first workers’ compensation program and a progressive state income tax, among other measures. The Scandinavian farmers who settled there in the 1800s had brought with them a communitarian mind-set born of necessity. The Swedish word folkhemmet, or “the people’s home,” became an affectionate nickname for the welfare state. The Wisconsin Idea, as it became known, was a pragmatic philosophy, wary of revolution but also deeply suspicious of laissez-faire capitalism. In an 1873 commencement speech, the chief justice of the state Supreme Court warned of the “new and dark power” emerging in the Gilded Age: “Which shall rule — wealth or man; which shall lead — money or intellect; who shall fill public stations — educated and patriotic freemen, or the feudal serfs of corporate capital?” Whenever you encounter soaring words like these in a book with the word “fall” in the title, brace yourself for a crash landing. Kaufman invites us to contrast a century of progressivism with what happened after 1976, when the United States Supreme Court outlawed limits on campaign spending. This was also around the time that a 10-year-old Scott Walker moved with his family to Delavan, Wis., from Iowa. A decade later, as a mediocre student at Marquette University, Walker was candid about his grand political ambitions, telling one of his classmates, “God has told me I’m chosen to cut taxes and stop killing babies.” Walker appears in Mayer’s “Dark Money” as a “college dropout with no exceptional charisma or charm” who coasted to victory in Wisconsin’s 2010 gubernatorial election, after wealthy conservative backers identified him as a Tea Party politician with a simpatico ideology. As Kaufman details, Walker has given his donors a spectacular return on their investment, gutting collective bargaining rights for public-sector unions (exempting firefighters and police officers, who had supported his campaign) and slashing taxes by $8 billion. Walker even paid lip service to his state’s past by calling one of his early pieces of legislation — the Wisconsin Budget Repair Bill, also know as Act 10 — “progressive.” But the tax cuts he enacted were so extreme that they inflated the state’s deficit to $2 billion. Kaufman describes 2011 and 2012 as a pivotal moment in Wisconsin’s political transformation, when widespread protests culminated in a recall election
Re: [Marxism] Antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/12/18 3:51 PM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote: The prosecution was dropped because the charges were trumped up. Of course they were trumped up but if people in masks had not been running down the streets breaking bank windows, they never would have been brought up in the first place. These brats running around like they were in Fort Lauderdale on spring break should be taken out to the barn and spanked by their daddies. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This discussion of ANTIFA reminds me of what happened during the "Days of Rage' in 1969. During the course of one of the demonstrations (which involved "trashing" of department store windows) a Chicago Asst. DA (Richard Elrod) tried to tackle of weatherman demonstrator named Brian Flanagan --- the DA broke his neck diving at Flanagan and FLanagan was arrested with a MAJOR FELONY hanging over him --- Luckily he was acquitted because Elrod had brought the injury on himself -- so "our side" escaped that danger. Nevertheless, the Weatherman faction of SDS and later the Weather Underground played a major role in the disintegration of the movement after 1970 --- I don't want to minimize the role of agent provacateurs and FBI repression (including the murder of Black Panthers) but the explosion in the Town House in 1971 which killed three Weather-people actually short-circuited what would have been a horrible act of terrorism (exploding nail bombs at FOrt Dix) and subsequent activities of the Weather underground did not build any movement --- The SDS that disintegrated after 1969 had tremendous potential --- Even the ANC of South Africa confronted with massacres by the Apartheid government utilized its violence aimed at PROPERTY not people --- There are no "base areas" for guerrilla armies as in China or Vietnam --- there is no Debray-style "foco" point from which to harrass the capitalist state --- The method for beating the capitalists has yet to be discovered --- but a handful of individuals ready to use violence and maybe die if not suffer grievous injury and probable long prison sentences is probably not going to get us very far > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt > ions/marxism/mameerop%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/12/18 4:25 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote: This discussion of ANTIFA reminds me of what happened during the "Days of Rage' in 1969. That makes sense since the black bloc was a conscious attempt to replicate the Days of Rage. https://louisproyect.org/2011/11/11/black-bloc-inspired-by-weathermen/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/acknowledging-the-contradictions-of-socialism-in-the-other-germany/
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis' full-throated attack on antifa is based entirely on tactical considerations, principally because antifa break up events they have nothing to do with creating and in so doing expose many to police fighting they had no intention of engaging in. J20 is a perfect example. Some 4-5 people pled long ago and the hundreds who made up everybody else -- the trials were dropped this week -- was obviously a bystander. I think there is a larger problem: in adopting political violence as a tactic, even a countertactic, antifa do in fact, really, mirror the fascists or protofascists or wannabe fascists. They mirror them as follows: 1) willingness to engage in violence against the other on sight; 2) costumery. You could call it uniforms. 3) Like the fascists, antifa consider political violence to be their actual program. They don't explain themselves to the wider public, they don't have a newspaper, they don't have conferences open to the interested public. 4) They are indifferent to civilian casualties caused by their fights because casualties are a part of war. 5) They never apologize for their violence. It worth thinking about public, unapologetic political violence was from the very beginning a central tactic of the Nazis and they considered it vital to their recruitment. Their propaganda was always accompanied by violence, leading to their term "power propaganda". They were always always willing to be more violent than their opponents, principally the Communists and Social Democrats. This is not a road to go down. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Sorry! Bad Title. Should have been: Re: Antifa Activists Are Freaking Out About a Proposed 'Unmasking' Law
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[Marxism] Interview with Danish anti-imperialist
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Torkel Lauesen's book "The Global Perspective: reflections on imperialism and resistance" looks interesting. We've put up on Redline an interview with him that first appeared in a German daily and was translated into English by LeftWing Books. *In 1991, you were sentenced to ten years in prison because of your antiimperialist activities. Now, 25 years later, you have written a book titled The Global Perspective: Reflections on Imperialism and Resistance. Has nothing changed?* Everything has changed in order to stay the same: The industrialization of the Global South and the global chains of production have intensified imperialism. Superprofits for capital have increased, while the prices for consumer goods in the Global North have decreased. U.S. hegemony has declined. We now live in a multipolar world with new powers emerging. So-called real socialism no longer exists, and national liberation movements have all but disappeared. *At the end of the 1980s, antiimperialism pretty much vanished from the left’s radar. Why?* National liberation struggles in the Global South subsided and neoliberalism ushered in a golden capitalist era. Furthermore, the talk about globalization concealed the ongoing reality of imperialism. . . . full at: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2018/07/11/interview-with-danish-anti-imperialist/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
