Re: [Marxism] Thank you for another year of learning more on economics, history and political theory - Best Wishes

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Yes!

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Re: [Marxism] These Sex Scandals Are Pushing The Country Further To The Right | Washington Babylon

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“Whoever Expects A ‘Pure’ Social Revolution Will Never Live To See It”

July 1916 by V. I. Lenin. [Excerpts]

Published in October 1916 in Sbornik Sotsial-Demokrata No. 1. Signed: N. Lenin. 
Published according to the Sbornik text.

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To imagine that social revolution is conceivable without revolts by small 
nations in the colonies and in Europe, without revolutionary outbursts by a 
section of the petty bourgeoisie with all its prejudices, without a movement of 
the politically non-conscious proletarian and semi-proletarian masses against 
oppression by the landowners, the church, and the monarchy, against national 
oppression, etc.-- to imagine all this is to repudiate social revolution.

So one army lines up in one place and says, “We are   for socialism”, and 
another, somewhere else and says, “We are for imperialism”, and that will be 
the social revolution?

Whoever expects a “pure” social revolution will never live to see it.

Such a person pays lip-service to revolution without understanding what 
revolution is.

The Russian Revolution of 1905 was a bourgeois-democratic revolution.

It consisted of a series of battles in which all the discontented classes, 
groups and elements of the population participated.

Among these there were masses imbued with the crudest prejudices, with the 
vaguest and most fantastic aims of struggle; there were small groups which 
accepted Japanese money, there were speculators and adventurers, etc.

But objectively, the mass movement was breaking the back of tsarism and paving 
the way for democracy; for this reason the class-conscious workers led it.

The socialist revolution in Europe cannot be anything other than an outburst of 
mass struggle on the part of all and sundry oppressed and discontented elements.

Inevitably, sections of the petty bourgeoisie and of the backward workers will 
participate in it—without such participation, mass struggle is impossible, 
without it no revolution is possible—and just as inevitably will they bring 
into the movement their prejudices, their reactionary fantasies, their 
weaknesses and errors.




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>From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism 
>Sent: Dec 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] These Sex Scandals Are Pushing The Country Further To 
>The Right | Washington Babylon
>

>Mark Lause said:
>The women's marches at the time of the inauguration were--and wound up--in
>the hands of the Democrats, which is why it both spread quickly and
>imploded leaving very little in the streets.
>
>The sex scandals are a complex development.  The idea that the institutions
>and peoples who perpetrated this sort of thing for generations are now
>suddenly going to be the arbiters of justice and the promulgators of social
>change invites serious discussion.
>
>* * * * * 
>
>Ken Hiebert replies:
>What Mark Lause says about the massive response to Trump could be said about 
>any large movement.  I heard a similar comment about the anti-war movement 
>decades ago.  Many different political currents will take part, each promoting 
>their own agenda.
>And this includes capitalist parties.
>The question is, what do we do about it?  Stepping aside from such a movement 
>will not diminish the influence of capitalist currents, but it will certainly 
>diminish our voice.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Eric Blanc: The Ballot and the Break (the case of the Mn. Farmer-Labor Party).

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The criticism of the politics of the DSA is on point.

That said, the organization is very much alive and growing beyond expectation.

French Turn?  

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>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Eric Blanc: The Ballot and the Break (the case of 
>the Mn. Farmer-Labor Party).
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>On 12/4/17 9:23 PM, DW via Marxism wrote:
>> Eric Blank goes "Dirty Break" on the Democrats using the Minn. Farmer-Labor
>> Party as an example...
>>   Or does he?
>> 
>> The Ballot and the Break
>> By Eric Blanc 
>> 
>> Minnesota’s Farmer-Labor Party, the most successful labor party in US
>> history, is rich in lessons for challenging the two-party system.
>> 
>>
>Blanc digs into historical minutiae like the slogan for a democratic 
>dictatorship of the proletariat and the peasantry, and now Farmer-Labor 
>candidates running in the DP (and Republican, I believe) primaries 
>without connecting them to the present-day. No wonder Jacobin runs the 
>article because they are steeped in DSA inside-outside crapola. If Blanc 
>was serious about the relevance of this, he'd connect it to the DSA's 
>neo-Fabian politics. 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Don't the Poor Rise Up? | AK Press

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"Bourgeois revolutions, like those of the 18th century, storm swiftly from 
success to success; their dramatic effects outdo each other; men and things 
seem set in sparkling brilliants; ecstasy is the everyday spirit; but they are 
short-lived; soon they have attained their zenith, and a long crapulent 
depression lays hold of society before it learns soberly to assimilate the 
results of its storm-and-stress period. 

“On the other hand, proletarian revolutions, like those of the 19th century, 
criticise themselves constantly, interrupt themselves continually in their own 
course, come back to the apparently accomplished in order to begin it afresh, 
deride with unmerciful thoroughness the inadequacies, weaknesses and 
paltrinesses of their first attempts, seem to throw down their adversary only 
in order that he may draw new strength from the earth and rise again, more 
gigantic, before them, recoil ever and anon from the indefinite prodigiousness 
of their own aims, until a situation has been created which makes all turning 
back impossible…”

Marx; 18th Brumaire

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>Sent: Jun 15, 2017 7:52 PM
>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Don't the Poor Rise Up? | AK Press
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>
>We are in an interregnum - that is a period between centres.  The old
>neoliberal centre is decaying, possibly dead, and a new centre is trying to
>be born. Centres constitute what is thought to be common sense. The absence
>of a dominant commons sense mean that all sorts of surreal phenomena
>manifest themselves. The deal with the Ulster Strasserites that is supposed
>to guarantee a continuation of the Tories in office is just one of these.
>The Tories have once more played the Orange card and they have done it with
>their customary recklessness as to the consequences for Ireland. And those
>consequences are likely to be very immediate with the Loyalist Marching
>Season upon us. the slightest sign that the British state is tilting
>towards restoring Orange Dominance will be met with resistance on the
>streets.  Sinn Fein will be unable to keep control here.
>
>Then there is the plain fact that the Tories have no idea on how to
>proceed. May's favorite projects - fox-hunting, ivory trading and grammar
>schools do not address in any way the multiple problems that have
>accumulated under neoliberalism.  She personally now is manifestly a
>problem.  She visited the fire scene but did not talk to the residents.
>Corbyn went there and talked to them.  Interestingly the residents are
>obsessed with the concept of truth.  Repeatedly they say they want the
>truth to come out.  Thankfully they have been isolated from academic
>bullshit and so no one has told them that we live in post-truth world.
>Instead they feel instinctively the truth will set them free.
>
>That is making them bump up against the edge of the question Why don't the
>poor rise up? My gut feeling is that the question is about to become
>irrelevant, as the poor do in fact rise up.
>
>comradely
>
>Garfy
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Dreams of Revolution: Oklahoma, 1917 | Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz | Monthly Review

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Back in 1957, I was hitch-hiking back to Indiana from California one summer, 
guitar case in hand, when a older farmer in an beat up red pickup truck stopped 
to give me a lift.  He said the deal was I got the ride if I did a song for him.

Being as how we were in Oklahoma, I did Pretty Boy Floyd:


Pretty Boy Floyd
by Woody Guthrie

If you'll gather 'round me, children,
A story I will tell

About Pretty Boy Floyd, an outlaw,
Oklahoma knew him well.

It was in the town of Shawnee,
On a Saturday afternoon,
His wife beside him in the wagon
As into town they rode.

A deputy sheriff approached him
In a manner rather rude,
Using Vulgar words of language
An' his wife she overheard them.

Pretty Boy grabbed a log chain,
The deputy grabbed his gun;
And in the fight that followed
He laid that deputy down.

Then he took to the hills and woodlands
To live a life of shame;
Every crime in Oklahoma
Was added to his name.

But many a starving farmer
The same old story told
How this outlaw paid their mortgage
And saved their family homes.

Others tell you of a stranger
That came to beg a meal,
And underneath his napkin
Left a hundred-dollar bill.

It was in Oklahoma City,
It was on a Christmas Day,
There came a whole car load of groceries
And a letter that did say

"Well, you say that I'm an outlaw,
You say that I'm a thief.
Here's the Christmas dinners
For the families on relief."

As through this world I've rambled
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

As through your life you ramble,
As through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.

When I got done he said 'that's a true song."

Then he said, "Back then we all loaded up and went to town.  We took the phone 
company and the electric company and the ice house and the bank and whatever 
else we had to.  Then that son of a bitch Roosevelt got it and made us give 
them all back. But sometime we'll get them back again." 

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>Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Dreams of Revolution: Oklahoma, 1917 | Roxanne 
>Dunbar-Ortiz | Monthly Review
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>More on the Green Corn Rebellion. Would make another "Free State of 
>Jones" if Hollywood was smart.
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Re: [Marxism] Russia/Trump

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The explanation below assumes Trump is capable of organized thought.

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>*Reading the tea leaves*
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>
>This list has a tea leaf reading session going on about why FBI Director
>Comey was fired by President Donald Trump.
>
>
>After stirring them again, and examining them under a magnifying glass, I
>have come up with the following reasoning.
>
>First of all Donald Trump is in deep trouble over the issue of Russia. It’s
>not just the Democrats who have an anti-Russia program, it is the
>“internationalist” Republicans of the John McCain ilk. In fact, there is
>little evidence that any significant sector of the Republican party
>supports Trump’s Russian turn.
>
>
>The Russian intervention into the elections was not an invention of
>hysterical Democrats or of the New York Times. Cyber-warfare has been going
>on world-wide for some time among businesses and states. The North Korean
>cyber-attack against the Sony Films picture *The Interview *may have been
>the funniest moment, but there have been plenty of serious moments
>including the very recent attack against hospitals in the UK. In any case,
>Trump’s infatuation with Vladimir Putin and Putin’s support for Trump were
>both on the record in the media of the world. Why wouldn’t Putin try to
>help Trump? He would have been an idiot not to.
>
>
>The Russian state remains a competitor to the American state in
>geopolitics. It has the only nuclear arsenal that can compete with that of
>the USA, and it is aggressively countering US/NATO pressure on it: most
>notably by its land grab in the Ukraine and its genocidal role in Syria.
>
>
>Although both US and Russian imperialism are counter-revolutionary through
>and through, that does not mean that their geopolitical interests are
>identical. The French and German empires of 1914 were thoroughly
>counterrevolutionary, but their geopolitical interests clashed.
>
>
>What interests are at stake?
>
>
>First of all client states. Every client state an imperial power has is a
>client! Who buys arms from the biggest arms merchant in the world? (that
>would be the USA) It’s client states!
>
>
>Who buys arms from the Russians? Not too many client states these days, but
>the market of the old Soviet Union is still holding up. Oh, and then there
>is Syria.
>
>
>Nevertheless, a significant sector of big US corporations are heavily
>invested in Russia, and the GOP is still the party of business despite the
>Clinton’s efforts to bring them all into the Democratic party family.
>Corporations heavily invested in Russia include not only Mr. Tillerson’s
>alma mater Exxon, but Boeing, Pepsi, Ford, Procter & Gamble, McDonald's,
>Mondelez International, General Motors, Johnson & Johnson, Cargill, Alcoa,
>General Electric, and Morgan Stanley.
>
>
>They would like to have their cake and eat it, too. Keep the geopolitical
>power of the United States, diminish Russian power still further, but get
>rid of the sanctions against Russia so that they could get on with business.
>
>
>Fat chance.
>
>
>One significant overlap of ideology and interest between Putin and Trump is
>on global warming. It doesn’t exist! But, if it did, opening up the arctic
>to oil exploration and development would be just that much easier. Why not
>make the Arctic Ocean navigable – and drillable - 365 days a year!
>
>
>So far there is no evidence that President Trump is a deep thinker or
>strategist. Trump appears to be a blow-hard idiot and a bully who was the
>right man, in the right place at the right time. His Russia turn could be
>no more than admiration and attraction for other blow-hard bullies.
>
>
>But, maybe the man is more than he seems.
>
>
>At the very least, he is a cunning and corrupt real estate developer.
>Certainly, he has been attracted to doing business with the cunning and
>corrupt operators in Moscow. Apparently, he has made no big deals in
>Russia, but Trump is a man who has not released his income tax returns, and
>who has built an opaque business empire of interlocking private
>partnerships that no one has yet deciphered. What kinds of dirty deals are
>hiding in that labyrinth can only be guessed at, but 

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Letter From Madaya, Syria, Under Siege by the Assad Regime for Nearly 2 Years | The Nation

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Opening leads to a huge demand to subscribe to the Nation impossible to escape.

Here is another link to a different source.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/letter-madaya-doesn-care-160128082017104.html

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>Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Letter From Madaya, Syria, Under Siege by the Assad 
>Regime for Nearly 2 Years | The Nation
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: A follow-up on the Enlightenment | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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The mind tends to wander indeed.  

As in imagining Lenin arriving at Finland Station, announcing "Even 
Ideologiekritik ought to be grounded in something more solid than Foucauldean 
discourse analysis or Derridean textual marginalia."

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>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: A follow-up on the Enlightenment | Louis Proyect: The 
>Unrepentant Marxist
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>
>Much of Wolfe’s commentary is couched in the sort of language found in 
>the grad school milieu of the Platypus club that expelled him for some 
>reason a few years ago: “Even Ideologiekritik ought to be grounded in 
>something more solid than Foucauldean discourse analysis or Derridean 
>textual marginalia.” 

My mind tends to wander when I read this sort of thing.
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>full: https://louisproyect.org/2017/03/22/a-follow-up-on-the-enlightenment/
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Re: [Marxism] Marx on Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation

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Got it; thanks!

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>
>It's from Comments on North American Events in October 1862.
>http://www.marxistsfr.org/archive/marx/works/1862/10/12.htm
>
>
>On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Ralph Johansen via Marxism <
>marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
>

>>
>> Citation to Collected Works is at bottom of message. Unfortunately, MECW
>> are not online, this version still under copyright by International
>> Publishers or Lawrence and Wishart afaik.
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/2017 10:24 PM, Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Where can one find the article quoted?  MEC appear to be out of action.
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
 From: Ralph Johansen via Marxism 
 Sent: Mar 14, 2017 12:14 AM
 To: Thomas F Barton 
 Subject: [Marxism] Marx on Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation

 I just stumbled on this while looking for something else:

 Lincoln is a /sui generis/ figure in the annals of history. He has no
 initiative, no idealistic impetus, no cothurnis, no historical
 trappings. He gives his most important actions always the most
 commonplace form. Other people claim to be "fighting for an idea," even
 when it is for them a matter of square feet of land. Lincoln, even when
 he is motivated by an idea, talks about "square feet." He sings the
 bravura aria of his part hesitatively, reluctantly and unwillingly, as
 though apologizing for being compelled by circumstances to "act the
 lion." The most redoubtable decrees - which will always remain
 remarkable historical documents - flung by him at the enemy will look
 like, and are intended to look like, routine summonses sent by a lawyer
 to the lawyer of the opposing party, legal chicaneries, involved,
 hide-bound /actiones juris/. His latest proclamation, which is drafted
 in the same style, the manifesto abolishing slavery, is the most
 important document in American history since the establishment of the
 Union, tantamount to the tearing up of the old American Constitution.

 
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Re: [Marxism] Marx on Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation

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Where can one find the article quoted?  MEC appear to be out of action.

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>Subject: [Marxism] Marx on Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation
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>I just stumbled on this while looking for something else:
>
>Lincoln is a /sui generis/ figure in the annals of history. He has no 
>initiative, no idealistic impetus, no cothurnis, no historical 
>trappings. He gives his most important actions always the most 
>commonplace form. Other people claim to be "fighting for an idea," even 
>when it is for them a matter of square feet of land. Lincoln, even when 
>he is motivated by an idea, talks about "square feet." He sings the 
>bravura aria of his part hesitatively, reluctantly and unwillingly, as 
>though apologizing for being compelled by circumstances to "act the 
>lion." The most redoubtable decrees - which will always remain 
>remarkable historical documents - flung by him at the enemy will look 
>like, and are intended to look like, routine summonses sent by a lawyer 
>to the lawyer of the opposing party, legal chicaneries, involved, 
>hide-bound /actiones juris/. His latest proclamation, which is drafted 
>in the same style, the manifesto abolishing slavery, is the most 
>important document in American history since the establishment of the 
>Union, tantamount to the tearing up of the old American Constitution.
>
>Nothing is simpler than to show that Lincoln's principal political 
>actions contain much that is aesthetically repulsive, logically 
>inadequate, farcical in form and politically contradictory. as is done 
>by the English Pindar of slaves, /The Times/, /The Saturday Review/ 
>and/tutti quanti/. But Lincoln's place in the history of the United 
>States and of mankind will, nevertheless, be next to that of Washington! 
>Nowadays, when the insignificant struts about melodramatically on this 
>side of the Atlantic, is it of no significance at all that the 
>significant is clothed in everyday dress in the new world?
>
>Lincoln is not the product of a popular revolution. This plebeian, who 
>worked his way up from stone-breaker to Senator in Illinois, without 
>intellectual brilliance, without a particularly outstanding character, 
>without exceptional importance - an average person of good will, was 
>placed at the top by the interplay of the forces of universal suffrage 
>unaware of the great issues at stake. The new world has never achieved a 
>greater triumph than by this demonstration that, given its political and 
>social organization, ordinary people of good will can accomplish feats 
>which only heroes could accomplish in the old world!
>
>Hegel once observed that comedy is in fact superior to tragedy and 
>humourous reasoning superior to grandiloquent reasoning. Although 
>Lincoln does not possess the grandiloquence of historical action, as an 
>average man of the people he has its humour. When does he issue the 
>proclamation declaring that from January 1, 1863, slavery in the 
>Confederacy shall be abolished? At the very moment when the Confederacy 
>as an independent state decided on "peace negotiations" at its Richmond 
>Congress. At the very moment when the slave-owners of the border states 
>believed that the invasion of Kentucky by the armies of the South had 
>made the "peculiar institution" just as safe as was their domination 
>over their compatriot, President Abraham Lincoln in Washington.
>
>- MECW 19:250
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: It’s Their Party | Jacobin

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The article says SDS promoted "Half Of The Way With LBJ."  This myth seems to 
go on and on and on.  The slogan was "Part of the Way With LBJ."  I was there 
and voted against it.

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>SDS and the Democratic Party. Interesting history.
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>https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/02/democratic-party-realignment-civil-rights-mcgovern-meany-rustin-sanders/
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: White House bars Daily News, multiple outlets from press briefing - NY Daily News

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 Yes.  Noticed the same shift some time ago, maybe a year or more. My 
recollection is that it started with coverage of unarmed African-Americans 
killed by police.  I recall thinking how unusual it was to find this coverage 
in the Daily News.  Originally Juan Gonzalez stuck out as kind of lefty; then 
with the transformation, blending in to the rest.

Well with digging into the story, along with two other journalism shifts:  1.  
The very recent disappearance of most of the New York City edition of the Wall 
Street Journal, now down Monday-Thursday to two sections, instead of four, with 
the formerly separate New York City section merged into the back of the front 
page section and

2. The incredible shrinking Rolling Stone Magazine hard copy; cut down nearly 
into comic books size, and many less pages.

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>Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: White House bars Daily News, multiple outlets from 
>press briefing - NY Daily News
>

>It is really interesting how the NY Daily News has shifted to the left 
>in recent years. This is a tabloid read by working class people like bus 
>drivers, Con Ed workers, truck drivers, etc. Might dig into the story of 
>how this happened.
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>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/white-house-bars-daily-news-multiple-outlets-press-briefing-article-1.2981448
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Many Arrested Inauguration Day Protesters Will Face Felony Rioting Charges, Prosecutors Say « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

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Narodnaya Volya didn't work out so well either.

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>Felony Rioting Charges, Prosecutors Say « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth
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>Black bloc tactics now have very high risks for the perpetually low payoff.
>
>http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/01/21/many-inauguration-day-protesters-will-face-felony-rioting-charges-prosecutors-say/
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Syrian Humpty-Dumpty | Clingendael

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Link gives error message.

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Re: [Marxism] Operation Condor: Condemned to Life!

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>Rome Court Concludes 3-Year Trial on Multinational Repression in Latin
>America
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>National Security Archive Provided Declassified Evidence to Tribunal, Hails
>Historic Ruling
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: H-Net Review [H-War]: Beall on Richie, 'Warsaw 1944: Hitler, Himmler, and the Warsaw Uprising'

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Kanal, a magnificent film I saw as a boy when it came out, available here:

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps=Kanal

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>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: H-Net Review [H-War]: Beall on Richie, 'Warsaw 
>1944: Hitler, Himmler, and the Warsaw Uprising'
>>
>
>For comrades information, Andrzej Wajda, the Polish director who died in 
>October, made a film titled "Kanal" in 1956 based on the Warsaw Uprising 
>(not to be confused with the Jewish revolt a year earlier). It is a 
>great film that is a bit hard to get a hold of unless you go to a 
>research library. If you are motivated, you might want to look into 
>Filmstruck, the new VOD website launched by TCM and the Criterion 
>collection that has "Kanal".
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Re: [Marxism] WWII "evacuations"

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California

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>On 12/25/16 10:12 AM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote:
>> Where else were whole populations "evacuated" in or around WWII?
>
>Crimean Tatars.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Cuba is poor, but who is to blame – Castro or 50 years of US blockade?

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For the future, see Miguel Diaz-Canel:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant=1=2=UTF-8#q=diaz-canel
 

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>of US blockade?
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>https://theconversation.com/cuba-is-poor-but-who-is-to-blame-castro-or-50-years-of-us-blockade-69528
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: No concern for the opposition

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"Great minds have great faults."

Lord Macaulay; History Of England from the Accession Of James II [1848]

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>It is true, Bill, that sometime Louis's 3-pointers fall out of bounds,
>carried a bit too far by his tendency for sarcasm. But, overall, he is a
>good trooper.
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>On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:28 PM, William Quimby via Marxism <
>marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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>>
>> Louis, that was a pretty shitty comment.
>>
>> - Bill
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Re: [Marxism] New at Redline

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All links no good; lead to request to get statistics for web site.

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>Prisoners go on strike in United States:
>https://wordpress.com/stats/day/20101343
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>US: good results for Working Class Party in Michigan:
>https://wordpress.com/stats/day/20101343
>
>Stuck in a Groove - Susil Gupta responds on the working class in the Third
>World and imperialist world:  https://wordpress.com/stats/day/20101343
>
>Democracy US style - a whole government that no-one has elected:
>https://wordpress.com/stats/day/20101343
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>France: mobilisations continue against new labour law:
>https://wordpress.com/stats/day/20101343
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Re: [Marxism] [ufpj-activist] "Not Our President"

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Pollack has written a sarcastic piece transposing Syria to the USA, and jabbing 
the filth who lick the bloody hands of the tyrant Assad.  And good for you, 
Comrade Pollack. 

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>Subject: Re: [Marxism] [ufpj-activist] "Not Our President"
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>I’m not sure what Andrew Pollack is trying to say here but let me make it 
>clear that UNAC and the other groups he mentioned have not “denounced the 
>terrorists rioting in the streets of New York,….”  Maybe he is trying to make 
>a joke or maybe he caught the Trump bug and believes the truth is not 
>important.  Or maybe he is trying to equate ISIS and the Nusra Front with the 
>people who are resisting the Trump election.  In any case his strange comment 
>is not appropriate. 
>
>Joe Lombardo
>
>
>
>From: Andrew Pollack
>Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:49 PM
>To: United 4 Peace & Justice; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
>Subject: [ufpj-activist] "Not Our President"
>
>Thousands of youths are in the street calling for regime change in the US, 
>challenging the legitimacy of a Donald Trump presidency.
>
>We have just learned that Vladimir Putin has sent word to Trump of his 
>approval should the President-elect feel it necessary to order shooting of 
>protesters, citing the US's right to self-determination and sovereignty over 
>its own internal affairs.
>
>UNAC/IAC/WWP/Socialist Action have all denounced the terrorists rioting in the 
>streets of New York, Portland, the Bay Area, and many other cities.
>
>Stay tuned for more on this developing story.
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Re: [Marxism] Clay Claiborne on Syria and Jill Stein, responding to Louis on muftah.org

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“Even In Constituencies Where There Is No Prospect Of Our Candidate Being 
Elected, The Workers Must Nevertheless Put Up Candidates In Order To Maintain 
Their Independence”

“They Must Not Allow Themselves To Be Diverted From This Work By The Stock 
Argument That To Split The Vote Of The Democrats Means Assisting The 
Reactionary Parties”

March 1850 By Karl Marx, Address of the Central Committee to the Communist 
League [Excerpts]

With a view to checking the power and the growth of big capital, the democratic 
party demands a reform of the laws of inheritance and legacies, likewise the 
transfer of the public services and as many industrial undertakings as possible 
to the state and municipal authorities.

As for the workingmen – well, they should remain wage workers: for whom, 
however, the democratic party would procure higher wages, better labor 
conditions, and a secure existence.

The democrats hope to achieve that partly through state and municipal 
management and through welfare institutions. In short, they hope to bribe the 
working class into quiescence and thus to weaken their revolutionary spirit by 
momentary concessions and comforts.

The democratic demands can never satisfy the party of the proletariat.

While the democratic petty bourgeoisie would like to bring the revolution to a 
close as soon as their demands are more or less complied with, it is our and 
our task to make the revolution permanent, to keep it going until all the 
ruling and possessing classes are deprived of power, the governmental machinery 
occupied by the proletariat, and the organization of the working classes of all 
lands is so far advanced that all rivalry and competition among themseIves has 
ceased until the more important forces of production are concentrated in the 
hands of the proletarians

With us it is not a matter of reforming private property, but of abolishing it; 
not of hushing up class antagonism, but of abolishing the classes; not of 
ameliorating the existing society, but of establishing a new one.

Even in constituencies where there is no prospect of our candidate being 
elected, the workers must nevertheless put up candidates in order to maintain 
their independence, to steel their forces, to gauge their own strength and to 
bring their revolutionary position and party views before the public

They must not allow themselves to be diverted from this work by the stock 
argument that to split the vote of the democrats means assisting the 
reactionary parties.

All such talk is but calculated to cheat the proletariat.

The advance which the Proletarian Party will make through its independent 
political attitude is infinitely more important than the disadvantages of 
having a few more reactionaries in the national representation.

The gist of the matter is this: In case of an attack on a common adversary no 
special union is necessary; in the fight with such an enemy the interests of 
both parties, the middle-class democrats and the working-class party, coincide 
for the moment, and both parties will carry it on by a temporary understanding.

This was so in the past, and will be so in the future.

It is a matter of course that in the future sanguinary conflicts, as in all 
previous ones, the workingmen by their courage, resolution, and self-sacrifice, 
will form the main force in the attainment of victory.

As hitherto, so in the coming struggle, the petty bourgeoisie as a whole will 
maintain an attitude of delay, irresolution, and inactivity as long as 
possible, in order that, as soon as victory is assured, they may arrogate it to 
themselves and call upon the workers to remain quiet, return to work, avoid 
so-called excesses, and thus to shut off the workers from the fruits of victory.

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>Sent: Nov 7, 2016 4:39 PM
>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Clay Claiborne on Syria and Jill Stein, responding to 
>Louis on muftah.org
>
>
>On 11/7/16 4:31 PM, Jeff via Marxism wrote:
>>
>> Personally I don't think the Stein campaign is of great importance, but
>> this piece also takes on broader questions of Syria and the (Western)
>> left, and the way principles can be so easily compromised.
>
>Jeff, I have no idea of what your connection to Marxism is but when you 
>speak of principles, there is none more sacrosanct that refusing to vote 
>for bourgeois parties. All you need to do is read V.I. Lenin on the 
>Cadets. The fact that Clay was so completely isolated on Marxmail should 
>give you an idea of where people stand.

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Left Is under No Obligation to Vote for Hillary Clinton

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A Comment From 1905 On Opportunist Lefties Who Whine For Clinton Victory

From: 1905, by Leon Trotsky; CHAPTER 25 Our Differences.  

This article was published in the Polish journal Przeglad social-demokratyczny 
in the period of blackest reaction in Russia, almost a total standstill in the 
working-class movement, and the Mensheviks’ renegade disavowal of the 
revolution and its methods.



“You are perfectly right in saying,” Lassalle wrote to Marx in 1854, at a time 
of extreme world reaction, “that the present apathy cannot be overcome by 
theoretical means. I would go so far in extrapolating this thought as to say 
that apathy has never been overcome by purely theoretical means, that is, the 
theoretical overcoming of political apathy produced disciples, sects or 
unsuccessful practical movements, but has never yet produced either a real 
world movement or a universal mass movement of minds. 

“The masses are drawn into the current of a movement, not only practically but 
also intellectually, by the dynamic force of real events alone.”

Opportunism cannot understand this. 

It may seem paradoxical to say that the principal psychological feature of 
opportunism is its inability to wait.  But that is undoubtedly true. 

In periods when friendly and hostile social forces, by virtue of their 
antagonism and their interaction, create a total political standstill; when the 
molecular process of economic growth, by intensifying the contradictions, not 
only fails to disturb the political balance but actually strengthens it and, as 
it were, makes it permanent – in such periods opportunism, devoured by 
impatience, looks around for “new” ways and means of putting into effect what 
history is not yet ready for in practice. 

Tired of its own inadequacy and unreliability, it goes in search of “allies.” 

It hurls itself avidly upon the dung-heap of liberalism. 

It implores it, it appeals to it, it invents special formulae for how it could 
act. 

In reply, liberalism merely contaminates it with its own political 
putrefaction. 

Opportunism then begins to pick out isolated pearls of democracy from the 
dung-heap.  It needs allies.  It rushes from place to place, grabbing possible 
allies by their coattails. 

It harangues its own adherents, admonishing them to be considerate towards all 
potential allies.  “Tact, more tact, still more tact!” It is gripped by a 
special disease, the mania of caution in respect to liberalism, the sickness of 
tact; and, driven berserk by its sickness, it attacks and wounds its own party.

Opportunism does not know how to wait.  And that is precisely why great events 
always catch it unawares. 

They knock it off its feet, whiz it around like a chip of wood in a whirlpool 
and sweep it forward, knocking its head now against one bank, now against the 
other. It tries to resist, but in vain. 

Then it submits to its fate, pretends to be happy, waves its arms to show that 
it is swimming, and shouts louder than anyone else.  And when the hurricane has 
passed, it creeps ashore, shakes itself, complains of headache and painful 
limbs and, in the wretched hangover following its euphoria, spares no harsh 
words for revolutionary “dreamers.”



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>Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: The Left Is under No Obligation to Vote for Hillary
>Clinton
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>DSA members staying strong.
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>http://inthesetimes.com/features/dsa_clinton_left_support.html
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Re: [Marxism] Interesting comments on IF Stone and The Nation from Richard Estes

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With no notice and no comment from outside I have seen, Rolling Stone has 
suddenly shrunk down to a bit more than Time Magazine size, and many fewer 
pages.

Pushing Clinton.

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>"Rolling Stone is not exactly a bloodied but unbowed radical voice. It 
>is basically a lifestyle magazine that aspires to be the college 
>freshmen’s Esquire."
>
>As you probably know, Jann Wenner and Ralph Gleason deliberately refused 
>to adopt the radical politics of the underground left when they launched 
>Rolling Stone. The subsequent publication of Hunter Thompson's articles 
>can thus be considered an effort to retain the allure of an underground 
>press publication without the politics.
>
>"Reaching the bottom of the barrel is Michael Moore, who states that 
>there is a direct line between him and I.F. Stone notwithstanding this 
>millionaire’s deep embedding within the Democratic Party and his most 
>recent slavering over Hillary Clinton in the feckless documentary 
>“Michael Moore in TrumpLand”."
>
>Moore really is becoming the Don King of the left.
>
>"When a new issue arrived in my mailbox, the first page I always turned 
>to contained Alexander Cockburn’s “Beat the Devil”. With the wars in 
>Central America heating up, his blistering attacks on Ronald Reagan were 
>as valuable to me as Stone’s on Vietnam."
>
>The relationship between Cockburn and The Nation is worth a documentary 
>all its own, particularly as the relationship soured as a consequence of 
>The Nation's accommodation with Clinton and the Democratic Party.
>
>"I suffered through it because I think that the left has to contend with 
>The Nation baring its fangs on behalf of a Hillary Clinton vote."
>
>Yes, The Nation will be in the vanguard of defending a President 
>Clinton, especially her probable neoconservative, militaristic foreign 
>policy. Melissa Harris-Perry's defense of Obama's drone strikes is a 
>foreshadowing of it.
>
>But, I.F. Stone. I remember him from my childhood. It is impossible to 
>overstate his journalistic bravery and integrity. Actually, if there is 
>a publication that most closely aligns with his values, it is 
>Shadowproof, launched by Kevin Gosztola and Brian Sonenstein, among 
>others. Gosztola is the closest thing to a contemporary Stone.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Still fighting the last war: Syria and the Western peace movement | Middle East Eye

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“One day while I was in a bunker in Vietnam, a sniper round went over my head.  
The person who fired that weapon was not a terrorist, a rebel, an extremist, or 
a so-called insurgent.  The Vietnamese individual who tried to kill me was a 
citizen of Vietnam, who did not want me in his country.  This truth escapes 
millions.”

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>Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Still fighting the last war: Syria and the Western 
>peace movement | Middle East Eye
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>Whether it is Syria or Yemen, it is the duty of democrats and 
>revolutionaries to put themselves in the shoes of the people under the 
>bombs and to ask 'what would I do?'
>
>Another idea embedded from growing up in the 1980s with the echoes of 
>Vietnam and the wars fought by America against the tiny, poor nations of 
>Central America, was that every people has the right to fight for 
>dignity and independence on their own terms. We might not always agree 
>with the form that fight takes, the alliances made by those fighting it, 
>but it is a fight that every people has the inalienable right to wage 
>against oppressors both domestic and foreign.
>
>Like most Western secularists, I do not support sectarianism or 
>chauvinism in any form. But the West cannot forever stop peoples of the 
>Middle East from fighting for their freedom. And so whether it is Syria 
>or Yemen, it is the duty of democrats and revolutionaries to try to put 
>themselves in the shoes of the people under the bombs and bullets and to 
>ask "what would I do?" and "might I just pick up a gun to defend myself?"
>
>Westerners might best first ask the people involved what they would have 
>us do, rather than fall back on ideological cliches that see everything 
>as a Western plot - and at the same time denying agency to those 
>directly affected and engaged in the struggle. We might not like the 
>answer, but we might just learn something.
>
>full: 
>http://www.middleeasteye.net/essays/still-fighting-last-war-syria-and-western-peace-movement-2070686647
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Tom Hayden (1939-2016): a political assessment | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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"Long ago" is putting it mildly.

I attended the SDS conference where he supported the slogan, "Part Of The Way 
With LBJ" [vs. Goldwater.]

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>
>An interesting summary, Lou. The bell is certainly tolling for our
>generation.  But this is one particular toll that, while I do not celebrate
>it in any way, I certainly do not mourn. You make it crystal clear that as
>a leftist he died long, long ago.
>
>comradely
>
>Gary

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Re: [Marxism] Socialist Action on Libya and Syria

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The Social-Democrats ideal should not be the trade union secretary, but the 
tribune of the people who is able to react to every manifestation of tyranny 
and oppression no matter where it appears no matter what stratum or class of 
the people it affects; who is able to generalize all these manifestations and 
produce a single picture of police violence and capitalist exploitation; who is 
able to take advantage of every event, however small, in order to set forth 
before all his socialist convictions and his democratic demands, in order to 
clarify for all and everyone the world-historic significance of the struggle 
for the emancipation of the proletariat.”
-- V. I. Lenin; What Is To Be Done


It would be a fundamental mistake to suppose that the struggle for democracy 
can divert the proletariat from the socialist revolution, or obscure, or 
overshadow it, etc.  On the contrary, just as socialism cannot be victorious 
unless it introduces complete democracy, so the proletariat will be unable to 
prepare for victory over the bourgeoisie unless it wages a many-sided, 
consistent, and revolutionary struggle for democracy.”
-- V. I. Lenin, Collected Works, 4th English Edition; Vol. 22

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>Sigh... I feel like I'm playing whack-a-mole.
>Here we are again with Joe Green
>misrepresenting/misunderstanding/maliciously lying about/displaying his
>ignorance of (you all tell me which one) permanent revolution.
>The point of permanent revolution is to grasp the INTERTWINING of the
>democratic and socialist revolutions, which MEANS at EVERY STAGE supporting
>EVERY democratic demand, and NEVER abstaining from a democratic struggle no
>matter how long it takes to reveal its dialectical connection to the class
>struggle.
>And in practice EVERY MENA Trotskyist group in the revolutionary socialist
>tradition has done exactly that. ALL the groups which have issued joint
>statements, contributed to al-Manshour and Permanent Revolution journal
>etc., have theorized and acted in a way that bears NO relationship to
>Green's malicious caricature.
>
>Keep on trying to derail the class struggle, Joe, it won't work.
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Re: [Marxism] Syria maps

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As for "maniacal princelings affiliated with the House of Saud funneling money 
to ISIS," that horror would be of world class dimensions:

"There are 15,000 members of the royal family in Saudi Arabia, all 
princes/princesses or better. 

"Part of this is just due to the fact that Saudi Arabia has practiced, and 
still practices, polygamy. The founder of modern Saudi Arabia had at roughly 
100 children, 45 of them sons. His youngest was born 52 years after his 
firstborn."

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3pp8py/eli5_why_are_there_so_many_saudi_princes_and_how/

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>Sent: Oct 14, 2016 11:04 AM
>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria maps
>
>On 10/14/16 10:32 AM, Andrew Stewart via Marxism wrote:
>> Do you understand how politicians can subvert a popular uprising
>> against a government to serve their geopolitical interests or are you
>> as stupid as your petty insults?
>
>But here's the real problem. You write:
>
>"Gee, how ironic that ISIS just so happens to be massed around the areas 
>that the Saudis want to gain control of for their fossil fuel cartel. 
>
Golly, I wonder if any of those maniacal princelings affiliated with the 
>House of Saud might be funneling money to ISIS?"
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Jason Moore’s “Capitalism in the Web of Life: Ecology and the Accumulation of Capital” | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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The development of civilization and of industry in general has ever shown 
itself so active in the destruction of forests, that everything done by it for 
their preservation, compared to its destructive effect, appears infinitesimal.
-- Karl Marx; Capital: A Critique Of Political Economy; Volume II; The Process 
Of The Circulation Of Capital

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>Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Jason Moore’s “Capitalism in the Web of Life: Ecology 
>and the Accumulation of Capital” | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
>
>
>Earlier this year I was startled to discover that a debate had broken 
>out between supporters of John Bellamy Foster on one side and Jason 
>Moore on the other over how to properly theorize ecology from a Marxist 
>standpoint. Since Moore’s scholarship was influenced by Immanuel 
>Wallerstein, I wondered what the problem could be. Weren’t they all on 
>the same wave-length with Monthly Review having provided a platform for 
>the dependency theory/World Systems schools that included Wallerstein, 
>Andre Gunder Frank, Samir Amin and others?
>
>As it happens, ecology is a topic that lends itself to debate since 
>except for Marx’s relatively brief discussion of soil fertility and 
>Engels’s observations on the despoliation of the Alps, there was very 
>little analysis until the Green movement took off in the early 1960s. 

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Re: [Marxism] A meeting of Russian journalists (on tape)

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Thank you for posting a look from inside out, most illuminating and 
fascinating, about a slice of Russian media reality. The corporate-speak of the 
new executive managers come to clamp down, and the worries of the staff, could 
come straight from mid-town Manhattan.   

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>Sent: Oct 5, 2016 5:48 PM
>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: [Marxism] A meeting of Russian journalists (on tape)
>
>
>Recorded (apparently in secret).
>
>https://meduza.io/en/feature/2016/07/12/this-is-what-losing-your-newsroom-looks-like-in-russia
>
>In early July, the news agency RBC hired Elizaveta Golikova and Igor Trosnikov 
>to head its joint editorial staff. Before coming to RBC, these two journalists 
>worked at the state-owned newswire service TASS. They are replacing Elizaveta 
>Osetinskaya and Roman Badanin, who were forced out in mid-May, formally by 
>mutual agreement, though multiple sources say it was the result of the 
>Kremlin's dissatisfaction with RBC's independent reporting. Several of the 
>news agency's reporters resigned with Osetinskaya and Badanin, and others 
>decided to wait for the new management, to see if it would be possible to work 
>with them. On the evening of July 7, the staff attended a meeting with its new 
>chief editors. Meduza has received an audio recording of this meeting, and 
>published a transcript (with minor abridgements) on July 8. The next day, RBC 
>General Director Nikolai Molibog invited whoever leaked the audio recording to 
>resign, writing on Facebook, “those of our colleagues at RBC who did this, or 
>who consider this act to have been acceptable, can fuck off to hell.” Meduza 
>is now making the transcript available in English.
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Re: [Marxism] What's up with this?

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Donary Crunk for President?

No thanks.

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>Sent: Oct 1, 2016 10:19 AM
>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] What's up with this?
>
>Yes, this is primarily a Democratic Party tactical choice.  Look at the
>bumper stickers, buttons, etc. or how she is discussed in the media by her
>supporters.  (You don't see much "Vote for Donnie.")  The ad people would
>say that "Hillary" tends to humanize her and make her grandmotherly.  It
>further emphasizes gender and consolidates the most ardent of her core
>constituency--women who think that her election will automatically be good
>for women because she is one.  (A twist on the only plausible argument
>supporters made for Obama.)
>
>Then, too, if someone who doesn't support her calls her "Hillary," they can
>ask why they call her "Hillary" and the Republican candidate "Trump."
>
>On the other hand, there can be some confusion with just "Clinton,"
>especially if you are discussing a matter of record.   That's because of
>Bill, of course.  This is a problem with decadent dynastic politics.
>
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Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Fwd: Who's wasting their vote? | SocialistWorker.org

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Makes no difference.

For those who favor the Clinton model of mass murder, oppression, imperialism, 
exploitation and endless capitalism, as distinct from the Trump model of mass 
murder, oppression, imperialism, exploitation and endless capitalism, those 
opposed to Clinton are one undifferentiated lump.  

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>Subject: Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Fwd: Who's wasting their vote? |  
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>
>Not the SWP. Try ISO.
>
>> 
>>
>> Just to take one tiny example from the SWP to show how when you start to
>> deviate from Marxism you end up throwing the method out with it:
>>
>>
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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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http://blackagendareport.com/black_millennials_reject_duopoly

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>This is what I'm seriously trying to understand. Just as an example A.R.F.
>you give this summation:
>
> the Republicans are in a similar place as us, but for
>> different reasons: they, too, do not see "their" candidate on the ballot. I
>> think it was obvious that most of the traditional Republican Party types
>> were backing Rubio and Cruz. Now they're being expected to endorse the guy
>> who insulted them and their families, who accused the last GOP President of
>> failing to stop 9/11 (while hanging out with people who think he was in on
>> it), who mocked one of the last GOP nominees for being captured and
>> tortured by communist guerrillas in Vietnam, and who spent much of his time
>> in the orbit of the Clintons. On the other hand, they have Clinton, who
>> they and their party machine have spent decades painting as a Communist (if
>> only!).
>>
>> So I would not put too much stock into who the Republicans end up
>> endorsing, whether Clinton, Trump, Johnson or nobody. They are in panic
>> mode as their party collapses.
>
>
>And the national question doesn't enter the discussion at all. Its like the
>above is just about how white people see the election. Differences around
>McCain get mentioned, differences around the national question ignored. I
>mean why is the GOP collapsing? Doesn't the national question loom large on
>that question? How about the Brexit vote? the AfD victory? I see a growing
>white nationalist influence in all of this, but generally speaking, people
>on this list don't.   People of color don't spend 2 paragraphs on this
>election without touch on the questions of white nationalist, Trump's
>hateful message and dangerous threats. I'm trying to understand why it is
>so different here. I know you are all tired of hearing from me about it but
>I'm just trying to understand the disconnect.
>
>Regards,
>
>Clay
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Re: [Marxism] Assad turns Syria’s hospitals into death traps as part of a “kneel or starve” policy

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DEAD LINK

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>http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/
>21706225-dr-assad-turns-syrias-hospitals-death-traps-
>part-kneel-or-starve?fsrc=scn/tw_ec/the_ultimate_barbarity
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Re: [Marxism] Vote for Clinton?

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>Sent: Sep 1, 2016 1:20 AM
>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Vote for Clinton?
>
>
>
>Clay Claiborne, Director
>Vietnam: American Holocaust 
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>Venice, CA 90291
>(310) 581-1536
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>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism <
>marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
>
>Clinton is both a neoliberal (more inequality) and a neocon (more war);
>> Trump isn’t:
>>
>> Trump is a fascist and a white supremacists. He just finished the most
>racist speech I've ever heard from a major candidate, His campaign manager
>is tied to what has been called an evangelistic coup in the military and
>breaks bread with elements that think pogroms will be necessary to create
>the [white] America they want, and you want to argue Clinton is worst?
>
>You want to try putting that in terms that will win colored people to your
>position or don't you care?
>
>
>Jill Stein got ZERO bounce from her CNN appearance. How come? She appeals
>to no one outside of a self-isolated Left.
>
>Here's the latest Fox News Poll 2-way Clinton beats Trump by 6% down from
>10% earlier. 4-way Trump 39% Clinton 41% Johnson 12% Stein 4%
>
>Clearly she is within closing distance, not of winning - her scheme to turn
>out 43 million new college votes before 11/8 is truly delusional, but of
>negating enough progressive votes, to hand the white house to the white
>nationalists that she is so fucking quiet about.
>
>Yes , emotions are involved. I just watched a hate filled speech from Trump
>and then a fb post of Jill Stein's LA talk [had to work - boss would let me
>off] SHE SAY NOTHING ABOUT TRUMP'S RACISM. Her fire is directed at Clinton.
>So excuse me if I don't suddenly get stupid and forget why I've been saying
>that "Leftists" who only criticize Assad's opposition while being silent on
>his crimes are objectively pro-Assad, and apply the same logic come away
>from Stein's talk concluding that she is objectively pro-Trump.
>
>Because - NEWS FLASH (break it to her gently) Jill Stein has NO CHANCE of
>being our next president. Trump or Clinton will be.
>
>Why would you expect or want working people to follow someone so
>delusional? [no wonder she got no CNN bounce]
>
>Basically, It doesn't seem like you don't feel the same hate coming from
>the Trump campaign that I do.  You say Trump is not a neoliberal or a
>neocon, but what is he. Why exactly do you not feel as threatened by him as
>most black, Muslim and Latin people do?
>
>Clay
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Re: [Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 154, Issue 29

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>On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Stewart <
>hasc.warrior.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> their 8 years of imperial neoliberal austerity has created a gap that only
>> the Greens can now step into and take power within.
>
>
>Andrew,
>
>Do you really see the Greens winning the election in Nov.? (taking power)
>If so please explain further, because again, not just me, I don't think you
>can convince the masses of black people that you aren't delusional when you
>make statements like that and they will probably not join the Green party
>if its representatives sound so utterly out of touch with the political
>realities of 2016.
>
>Many will think you are lining up to put a racist in the White House with
>your bold talk, and if Trump should win, they will blame you for what
>follows.
>
>Dan Rather on Rachel Maddow "Afro American voters have been through a lot,
>they are almost impossible to fool."
>He has a lot of respect for the black voter and he is right to. Black
>voters have 85%-90% voted their interest in just about every election since
>they have been able to vote. They will also in this election and they
>believe that means voting against Trump.
>
>Frankly, I doubt Stein can quadruple her poll numbers soon enough to make
>the debate's 15%, but if you think she can beat Trump & Clinton, then you
>won't think that you aren't voting against Trump by voting for Trump.
>
>75% of black women strongly fear Trump winning and they will be voting
>against Trump. They don't share your "hope", yes that is a kinder word,
>that Jill Stein can beat Trump, so they will be voting for Clinton.
>
>You may think they are wrong, Dan Rather is wrong and you know better, but
>I think they are right.
>
>Can we all agree on one thing? Don Trump's campaign has made the relation
>of white supremacy to state power in the United States the main question of
>election year 2016.
>
>Do others disagree with that? Because it is crystal clear to me and I need
>to know where I stand with you.
>
>Clay
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Re: [Marxism] Smear campaign against Jill Stein by Democratic Party hack

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August 19, 1856

If the strategy is to build a Left pole in US politics then I think the
best move would be to promote and build the Republican Party in "safe states" 
while
urging a reluctant Buchanan vote in swing states.

This would leave the Republican Party best suited to deal with what comes next
while avoiding a Filmore presidency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1856

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>The only problem is when you make your decisions based on what will 
>advance the goals of the DP, you lose credibility. In order to build a 
>left party, you have to show that you mean business. If Jill Stein had 
>not turned out to be such a feisty presidential candidate in 2012 and 
>again this year, there is good chance that the GP might have died.
>
>On 8/19/16 7:35 PM, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:
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>> best move would be to promote and build the GP in "safe states" while
>> urging a reluctant Hillary vote in swing states.
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Re: [Marxism] When We Loved Mussolini

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Although the content of the article below appears reasonable, the title, "When 
We Loved Mussolini," is a poke in the eye.

My grandfather moved to upper Michigan from a village near Lucca, Italy, around 
1900 to work for the Calumet and Hecla Mining Company, and along with his 
brothers in the copper mines, joined the Western Federation of Miners that led 
the great strike of 1913. My Aunt Eva very nearly burned in the fire at Italian 
Hall set by the company on the occasion of a Christmas Eve 1913 fund raiser for 
the union. 

Later the family moved to Kenosha, Wisc., where my granddad worked in the 
Simmons Bed Factory and Uncle Ralph got a job at the Nash Auto Plant, UAW all 
the way.

They hated Mussolini.  My Uncle Frank went with his union brothers, baseball 
bats in hand, to fascist meetings at a bar in Kenosha in the late 1930's to 
express that point of view. 

At a kid I learned from my Uncle Ralph who Carlo Tresca was and why I should 
never forget his name.

"We" didn't invade Iraq.

"We" didn't invade Afghanistan.

And "we" didn't love Mussolini.

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>NY Review, August 18, 2016 issue
>When We Loved Mussolini
>by Adam Tooze
>
>The United States and Fascist Italy: The Rise of American Finance in Europe
>by Gian Giacomo Migone, translated from the Italian and with a preface 
>by Molly Tambor
>Cambridge University Press, 405 pp., $110.00
>
>In the early 1960s, in the full flush of postwar Atlanticism, Gian 
>Giacomo Migone, the scion of a cosmopolitan family of Italian diplomats, 
>arrived at Harvard to study history. As a liberal Catholic, a follower 
>of John F. Kennedy, and a fan of Pope John XXIII, Migone was escaping 
>the conservatism and neofascism of the postwar Italian universities. He 
>came to the United States in search of the promise of democracy and new 
>developments in scholarship. What he found was something more 
>complicated. It was the heyday of the civil rights struggle and he and 
>other foreign students ventured South to witness the dying days of Jim 
>Crow. Yet it was not America’s present that would unsettle him but its 
>past and, in particular, America’s recent history in relation to his own 
>country.
>

>Antifascism was the founding myth of the Italian republic after 1945. 
>But not only did a resentful minority of Italians cling to the memory of 
>Mussolini, as Migone discovered in the National Archives in Washington, 
>it was not until surprisingly late in the 1930s that the United States 
>decided to treat Il Duce as an enemy. man conflict in the Ruhr that caused the 
>US 
>to reengage with European affairs in the autumn of 1923. By then, for 
>Italy’s first generation of Atlanticist liberals, it was too late. 
>Mussolini had seized power in October 1922.
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Re: [Marxism] A specter is haunting...

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Information most welcome.

In Solidarity,

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>My trawl through Twitter last night has established that the latest on the
>Corbyn campaign, is the allegation by Tom Watson, the Deputy Leader, that
>Trotskyists have entered the Labour Party and are twisting the arms of the
>young people to get them to support Corbyn. In response the #TrotksiteTwist
>sprang up and made great fun of the allegations.  This is a sample
>
>
>@*Antonineone1*  'Well, I was lookin'
>everywhere for them gol-darned Reds I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked
>under my bed Couldn't find 'em'
>
>*Pauline Lane* ‏@*Antonineone1* 
>
>Pauline Lane Retweeted Heard they've all gone out dancing doing #
>*TrotskyiteTwist* 
>
>
>On a more serious level, Bastani    was
>clinical in his approach to demolishing Watson’s case while the *ARTIST
>TAXI DRIVER* ‏@*chunkymark*  went off the
>deep end in almost inarticulate rage at the palpable ludicrousness of the
>claims. All hugely enjoyable and come highly recommended.
>
>
>I myself was forcibly reminded of three things.  First and most obviously
>the great opening of the Communist Manifesto
>
>A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of
>old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope
>and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.
>
>Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic
>by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back
>the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition
>parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?
>
>In a tweet I substituted ‘Trotskyism’ for Communism and you get the idea.
>
>The second thought that came to mind was the scene in Petersen’s film Air
>Force One, where General Radek is being released and the prisoners begin to
>sing the Internationale. We cut to the Pentagon where there is total dismay
>and then to the Kremlin where the terrified leader is drinking.  Back on
>board Air Force One the sound is turned up and the President is forced to
>listen to the voice of revolution. The film is of course standard Hollywood
>fare, but just for a few minutes Petersen allows the specter of revolution
>to come on the stage and it is a great moment.
>
>My third (& final!) thought was of the passage in Deutscher’s *The Prophet
>Outcast* where he tells of the French Ambassador’s attempt to dissuade
>Hitler from aggression because he might end up benefiting Trotsky. Hitler
>it seems ended up screaming at the very prospect. Trotsky’s own response is
>very interesting, he said ‘They are haunted by the specter of revolution
>and they give it a man’s name’ (Deutscher, p. 515).
>
>All of which brings me back to Watson and his stupidities.  Beneath the
>silly allegations is the fear of change, the fear of losing control and in
>a way that represents a fear of revolution. There are no Trotskyists and
>Watson knows it.  But instinctively he has grasped the truths of
>ontological depth.  The surface is at times no guide at all to what the Old
>Mole of revolutionary change is doing underneath.
>
>As things were in Watson’s world they will never be again. And his
>desperate efforts to preserve the, already vanished, status quo are
>transparently ridiculous and pathetic, but in his nightmare there lurks the
>question ‘What rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards
>Bethlehem to be born?’
>
>
>comradely
>
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Re: [Marxism] UK court knocks down attempt to rule out 130000 members from Labo0ur Part leadership vote

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There was considerable interest in English, Scots, and Northern Irish politics 
here and everywhere at the time of the referendum about leaving the EU or not.

What view does Corbyn put forward now concerning the future course of events 
about that, if any? 

T



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>I'll give Gary MacLennan  a little support in his herculean attempts to
>interest the list in what's going on in  British politics -it would be a
>fool's errand to attempt to interest the largely  UScentric  list
>membership  in anything so weird as Australian political developments.
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Re: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party

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No Billy, we can't buy you a new tricycle right now.  If we do, we won't have 
the money to pay our rent to that mean old landlord, and we'll be living in 
cardboard boxes out on the street.

But if you're a good boy now, you will get what you want for Christmas.

Bobby Reich 
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>This was from a Nation Magazine symposium on the post-Sanders conjuncture.
>
>ROBERT B. REICH
>A Third Party vs. Big Money
>
>The next move for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution is to set up a 
>third party (shall we call it the New Progressive Party?), whose primary 
>goal should be to get big money out of politics. 

The New Progressive Party should begin right after the November election (we 
mustn’t do anything in the interim that increases the odds of a Trump takeover 
of America), with Bernie as its 
chairman and his e-mail list of supporters as its core.

Robert B. Reich, a former secretary of labor in the Clinton 
>administration, is a professor of public policy at the University of 
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Re: [Marxism] Khiyana and the betrayal by much of the left of the Syrian uprising

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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hic_Rhodus,_hic_salta

The phrase arises from the Latin form of Aesop's Fables (Gibbs 209; Perry 33: 
Chambry 51), as translated from Ancient Greek "Αὐτοῦ γὰρ καὶ Ῥόδος καὶ πήδημα" 
(literally) "Here is Rhodes, jump here!". In the fable, a boastful athlete 
brags that he once achieved a stupendous long jump in competition on the island 
of Rhodes. A bystander challenges him to dispense with the reports of the 
witnesses and simply repeat his accomplishment on the spot: "Here is Rhodes, 
jump here!"
 
Proverb[edit]
 
hic Rhodus, hic salta
 1.(politics) Prove what you can do, here and now.



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>"Bourgeois revolutions, like those of the eighteenth century, storm more
>swiftly from success to success, their dramatic effects outdo each other,
>men and things seem set in sparkling diamonds, ecstasy is the order of the
>day – but they are short-lived, soon they have reached their zenith, and a
>long Katzenjammer [cat’s winge] takes hold of society before it learns to
>assimilate the results of its storm-and-stress period soberly. On the other
>hand, proletarian revolutions, like those of the nineteenth century,
>constantly criticize themselves, constantly interrupt themselves in their
>own course, return to the apparently accomplished, in order to begin anew;
>they deride with cruel thoroughness the half-measures, weaknesses, and
>paltriness of their first attempts, seem to throw down their opponents only
>so the latter may draw new strength from the earth and rise before them
>again more gigantic than ever, recoil constantly from the indefinite
>colossalness of their own goals – until a situation is created which makes
>all turning back impossible, and the conditions themselves call out:
>*Hic Rhodus, hic salta!"*
>[Here is the rose, here dance!]

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Re: [Marxism] Reminder!!!!!!!

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Our moderator is not joking.

http://www.disclose.tv/news/Huge_FEMA_Camps_Being_Setup_In_Linden_New_Jersey/86344

He, or she, who has not understood this, has understood nothing.

T

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Re: [Marxism] Corbyn's fate

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Corbyn's half-hearted support for Remain pleased neither supporters nor 
opponents on that question. What support he has left among the membership in a 
membership vote, if there is one, remains to be seen.  This is a time of 
polarization, not a time favorable to centrist politicians who are neither here 
nor there. 

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>Hi Gary,
>
>Looks like our side are standing strong. The big four unions are all in 
>support of Corbyn. The Blairites are struggling to find a candidate to 
>run against Corbyn - Watson wont run & Eagle's own constituency has come 
>out in support of Corbyn. There is more and more talk of the Blairites 
>splitting. My take is that they (the Blairites) have been chafing at the 
>bit & cant stand listening to progressive politics anymore. They tried 
>it on with the "anti-semitisim" furphy a few weeks ago & now they've 
>jumped the gun, waving their swords around and leaving only their own 
>blood on the floor and walls.
>
>I am hoping now for a repeat in the conservatives. I can't believe the 
>old wounds wont open up over Brexit. By the time of the next election, 
>which I dont think is that far away, it could be anyone's game. If the 
>Blairites go, then the space opens up for Corbyn and co to really push 
>progressive politics.
>
>cheers,
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>On 06/29/2016 11:49 AM, Gary MacLennan wrote:
>> Hi Anthony
>>
>> good to hear from you. I am currently living on a diet of Richard 
>> Seymour's tweets! (& what Lou forwards to the list). So it is hard for 
>> me to guess at the mood.  The Guardian is infuriating in its stupid 
>> comment about the Corbyn "experiment".  I feel like resorting to 
>> obscenities to describe them.
>>
>> Richard in one of his tweets said there were cracks coming in the 
>> union front, but he appears to think their support for Corbyn will 
>> stay solid. If they do, then the goose of the Blairites is cooked.
>>
>> I wonder if listers agree with me that the Blairites overplayed their 
>> hand, such is their born to rule arrogance.
>>
>> I am convinced (hoping?) that the election for the Labour leader will 
>> turn out to be a "fête dans les rues." Certainly it is a chance for 
>> Momentum to drive home their hegemony on the Left.  BTW I cannot see 
>> this campaign being as friendly as the last one.
>>
>> Having said all that a small part of me thinks that another effort 
>> will be made to reach a deal and so prevent an election for leader.
>>
>> comradely
>>
>> Gary
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Re: [Marxism] David Laibman, Review of *“The Most Dangerous Communist in the United States”: A Biography of Herbert Aptheker*, by Gary Murrell

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Once, when much. much younger, I heard him speak.  He explained that the 
Hungarian Revolution, 1956, was a plot by the CIA, that took place against and 
behind the backs of the socialist Hungarian people, and that the Russian tanks 
that rolled into Budapest were called for by the Hungarian people to crush 
counter-revolutionaries, and merely defending socialism. 

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>Science & Society July 2016, Vol. 80, No. 3: 437-440
>
>“The Most Dangerous Communist in the United States”: A Biography of Herbert 
>Aptheker, by Gary Murrell. Afterword by Bettina Aptheker. Amherst/ Boston, 
>Massachusetts: University of Massachusetts Press, 2015. Paper, $29.95. Pp. 
>xviii, 444.
>
>Gary Murrell, Professor of History at Grays Harbor College in Washington 
>State, has given us a much-needed comprehensive study of the life and work of 
>Dr. Herbert Aptheker, Marxist historian and political theoretician. Aptheker’s 
>scholarship on the African American people — with dozens of published works, 
>including the monumental Documentary History of the Negro People in the United 
>States — set the direction of historical research in this area, despite being 
>ignored, repressed and vilified in official academia and in the publishing 
>world. His long association with Dr. W. E. B. Du Bois, and his multi-decade 
>editorship of that scholar’s legacy, resulting in another 44 volumes, are yet 
>another signal contribution to U. S. and world letters. His virtual odyssey 
>across the USA’s college campuses, in speaking tours that again spanned 
>decades, became a major element in the counterattack against McCarthy-era 
>repression, and thus in the emergence of the New Left in the 1960s. His 
>testimony in various Smith Act and McCarran Act trials made him a principal 
>voice of reason and the quest for political and intellectual freedom. Finally, 
>his staunch support of the Communist Party USA and his steadfastness in 
>defense of that organization — despite many complexities and tensions in his 
>evolving relationship with the Party’s leadership, and his eventual break with 
>the Party — make him an exceptional, and controversial, figure in the American 
>left in the 20th century and beyond. All of this, and more, is covered in 
>Murrell’s book, based on impressive references, archival study, and many hours 
>of interviews, including centrally with Dr. Aptheker himself.
>
>The story is told in 26 chapters, arranged broadly (if not entirely) in 
>chronological order, covering Aptheker’s early life; his research on slavery 
>and on slave rebellion in the U. S. South; his ever-troubled relationship to 
>the academic and publishing establishment, especially within the history 
>profession; Aptheker’s role in the military in World War II; his defense of 
>the CPUSA during the McCarthy-era attacks; conflicts within the Party 
>concerning control over the publication activities of Party members (including 
>his daughter, Bettina); founding and building of the American Institute for 
>Marxist Studies; running for Congress in the 12th CD in Brooklyn; the trip to 
>Hanoi, with Staughton Lynd and Tom Hayden; the long struggle to publish the Du 
>Bois papers and letters; the movement to free Angela Davis after her arrest, 
>following the events at the courthouse in San Rafael, California, in August 
>1970; the fateful 25th Convention of the CPUSA in Cleveland, in December 1991 
>and the founding of the Committees of Correspondence; and the final years in 
>California, during which Aptheker finally achieved some recognition in 
>academia and secured some teaching posts, which had long been denied him.
>
>On the personal level, we learn of Aptheker’s deep and loving relationship 
>with his wife of many years, Fay, and their daughter Bettina. The latter’s 
>recent testimony concerning sexual abuse by her father during her childhood is 
>discussed in a forthright and dignified manner in the Preface, and is also 
>addressed in Bettina’s “Afterword.”
>
>There are many complex, and 

Re: [Marxism] Did Hillary just lose the Likudnik vote?

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Maybe, but this email lost the link.

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>Too comical:
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>http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/NO-HOLDS-BARRED-Hillary-Clintons-treatment-of-Michael-Oren-as-ambassador-446153#article=6022NDlGNDQ3QjlGQUU1NjQ2MDEyMTAyQ0M2OTdGRkY3ODY=
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Re: [Marxism] Yassin al Haj Saleh: “Syria is a unique symbol of injustice, apathy and amnesia”

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>From: Michael Karadjis via Marxism 
>Sent: Jan 21, 2016 8:35 AM
>To: Thomas F Barton 
>Subject: [Marxism] Yassin al Haj Saleh: “Syria is a unique symbol of 
>injustice, apathy and amnesia”
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>
>Yassin al Haj Saleh: “Syria is a unique symbol of injustice, apathy and 
>amnesia”
> http://chronikler.com/middle-east/iraq-and-the-levant/yassin-al-haj-saleh/By 
> Boštjan Videmšek/DELOIn an exclusive interview, prominent Syrian writer and 
> dissident Yassinal-Haj Saleh talks about Syria’s past, tragic present and 
> uncertainfuture.Wednesday 20 January 2016Yassin al-Haj Saleh is a leading 
> Syrian writer, a former politicalprisoner and one of Syria’s foremost 
> intellectuals. Ever since hisstudent days, Saleh has been a vocal critic of 
> the Assad regimes. He wasarrested in 1980 during the presidency of Hafez 
> al-Assad and spent thenext 16 years as a prisoner of conscience.During the 
> early days of the Syrian uprising, his voice became louderthan ever. In 2012, 
> he was given the Prince Claus Award (supported bythe Dutch Ministry of 
> Foreign Affairs) but was unable to collect it, ashe was living in hiding in 
> Damascus. In 2013, he fled to Turkey. Hiswife and brother were abducted the 
> same year. He is the author ofseveral books,  including Deliverance or 
> Destruction? Syria at aCrossroads (2014).Here, he speaks to Boštjan Videmšek 
> about Syria’s past, tragic presentand uncertain future.(Long, but very 
> worthwhile, interview 
> follows):http://chronikler.com/middle-east/iraq-and-the-levant/yassin-al-haj-saleh/



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Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Re: Proof of Turkey-ISIS ties?

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Trotsky used the word "epigones" to good effect.

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>On 12/8/15 6:01 PM, Jim via Marxism wrote:
>> What exactly is the meaning of 'Baathist amen corner' that is different using
>> the wording 'pro-Baathist'? Perhaps it is a uniquely US leftists' 
>> expression, or
>> is it unique to this discussion list, where it keeps popping up?
>>
>> Jim
>
>I like the term amen corner because it evokes a congregation saying 
>"amen" to a preacher. I was searching for a term that could best express 
>the blind loyalty that a John Wight or a Pepe Escobar have toward Assad 
>and this was the best I could come up with. Number two below covers it.
>
>http://www.thefreedictionary.com/amen+corner
>
>amen corner
>n.
>1.
>a. A place in a church reserved for persons leading congregational 
>responses.
>b. A group of ardent worshipers in a church.
>
>2. Informal A group of uncritical supporters of a leader, party, or 
>policy, especially a controversial one.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The left can oppose Russian intervention in Syria without capitulating to our own rulers | REDFLAG

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Catalonia has been ruled by Spain and Scotland by England far longer that that. 
 Outside of lawyers for Imperial predators, who really gives a shit about 
Imperial land titles?

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>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The left can oppose Russian intervention in Syria 
>without capitulating to our own rulers | REDFLAG
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>on Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2015 at 05:54, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:
>
>SM>> Tartus in Syria is the only remaining Russian naval base outside Russia
>
>> Sure, now that they've annex Crimea.
>
>  The Krim peninsula has been ruled by Moscow since the 18th century, except 
> for the short span of 23 years after the dismemberment of the Soviet Union 
> and the separation of Ukraine. 
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>  
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>Cheers, 
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Re: [Marxism] Please join us by signing this statement "Hands Off Syria" Applies to Russia Too

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Sign how?

The blog site 
"http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/10/please-join-us-by-signing-this.html; 
appears to have only a space for "comments."

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>Sent: Oct 12, 2015 12:37 AM
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>Subject: [Marxism] Please join us by signing this statement "Hands Off Syria" 
>Applies to Russia Too
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> From the Critical-Syria group:
>
>
>  Please join us by signing this statement "Hands Off Syria" Applies
>  to Russia Too
>  
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Re: [Marxism] Letter to Putin

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Dutch

In future 
https://translate.google.com/?hl=en
provides instant answer.

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>Subject: [Marxism] Letter to Putin
>
>
>I received this from a friend, apparently a Google translation from another 
>language.  I have included a sample at the bottom, so someone can identify the 
>language.
>   ken h
>
>
>>
>
>Geachte president Poetin,
>
>Als leden van de wereldgemeenschap die gebaseerd is op realiteit
>willen we graag onze waardering en onze steun betuigen inzake het
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Re: [Marxism] Marx and LTRPF

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Currently reading Vol. 3.

Ferguson is accurate.  So is Marx.

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>I think you're a bit of a kidder.  Or a spammer.
>
>The rising organic composition is what brings about the tendency of the
>rate of profit to fall.  They're completely inter-related.
>
>Marx spends an entire section of 50 pages in vol 3 on the law of the
>tendency of the rate of profit to fall, examing why it falls, what the
>countervailing tendencies are, etc etc.
>
>Bourgeois sensibiities are the ones that are always trying to undermine
>Marx's revolutionary approaches by doing things like trying to 'disprove'
>LTRPF and show how Marx was 'wrong' about this or that and instead
>recommending some theory that really does derive from vulgar bourgeois
>economics.
>
>Still, at least you're not still claiming he wrote vol 3 first!
>
>Phil
>
>On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Jamie  wrote:
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>> Even if u reread v.III, the weight (ie importance) comes down on the
>> rising organic comp of capital, not the frop (2 different things) - ur all
>> stuck in some bourgeois sensibilities here
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Re: [Marxism] Gabriel Ash on Assad

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A huge amount of material reality in a few words.

What's the source of the quote please?

Thank you for posting!

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>The immediate problem is indeed Assad. But that is the tip of the 
>iceberg. Assad has been a stellar prince. He has fully grasped the 
>potential of the current historical moment, the fortuna that opens 
>possibilities for virtù, and acted on that understanding singlemindedly. 
>Bombing one's own country to the stone age and expelling the majority of 
>the people is a very high risk strategy, and few tyrants have survived 
>it. But Assad has grasped where the world is today. He has correctly 
>understood that defeating the threat of expanding democracy, everywhere, 
>but especially in the Middle East, is not only the point of unity of all 
>the world's powers, but even the dominant intellectual and cultural 
>mood, and if he positions himself at that very point, he will be 
>untouchable. He understood that none of his adversaries, not Turkey, nor 
>the US, nor Israel, would risk his downfall if it meant an opening for 
>popular empowerment. And the more he murders, the more he destroys, the 
>more impossible it is it remove him without conceding the revolt. Syria 
>is the 21st century Paris Commune. It is a flash of lightning that 
>illuminates a furious global counter-revolution. Even hundreds of 
>thousands of refugees are unlikely to change that. the EU would much 
>rather build new concentration camps for them than risk inadvertently 
>helping a popular victory against tyranny. About the left, the less one 
>says the better.
>Gabriel Ash
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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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3,500 Afghans Fight In Syria As Iran Use Refugees To Bolster Assad:
“Many Afghan Shiite Fighters Have Suffered The Fate Of Being Used As Cannon 
Fodder”

Aug 26 2015 By Mirwais Adeel, Khaama Press

The latest estimates suggest at least 3,500 Afghans are fighting in Syria in 
support of Bashar al-Assad, shedding light on growing recruitment of Afghans in 
the conflict which was around 500 less as compared to estimates three months 
back.

Relatives of a number of those killed while fighting for the Syrian regime have 
said the Afghan nationals are lured by the month salary of $700 and Iranian 
residency permit.

Phillip Smyth, an expert on Shiite militant groups, told AFP an estimated 2,000 
to 3,500 Afghans are currently fighting in Syria.

He said “In terms of how they are recruited, deployed, and utilized in Syria, 
many Afghan Shiite fighters have suffered the fate of being used as cannon 
fodder.”

Smyth further added “Some are coerced to fight; others promised residency 
papers for their family, and a small salary. It demonstrates Iran’s 
exploitation of Afghan Shiite refugees.”

This comes as a video emerged from Syria three months ago which purportedly 
showed the capture of four Afghan nationals by the Syrian rebels.

Two teenage boys are also seen among those captured during the clashes 
apparently by the rebels belonging to the Free Syrian Army.

The group was reportedly deployed to Syria to take part in the ongoing conflict 
by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.

The men appearing in the video introduces them while speaking in Dari language 
and describes unemployment as the main reason behind their decision to fight in 
Syria.

Dozens of Afghan nationals were reportedly killed late in December last year 
while fighting in support of the Syrian regime led by Bashar al-Assad.

According to the estimates back in April, some 3,000 Afghan nationals have been 
deployed to take part in the ongoing Syria conflict.

The Afghan militants are fighting on both sides of the Syrian war, in support 
of the Syria Bashar al-Assad and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) 
militants.

Informed sources in the Afghan government have also confirmed that the number 
includes Iranian-backed Shiites fighting a proxy war in support of Syrian 
President Bashar al-Assad and against Islamic State and other rebel groups.

The participation of Afghan militants in Syria war has sparked concerns among 
the Afghan officials some will return to fight in Afghanistan under Islamic 
State’s banner.




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Subject: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of 
Assad's holocaust?


New from Linux Beach:


  Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's
  holocaust?
  
 http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/08/are-71-syrian-refugees-found-dead-in.html

 We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
 road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 
 economic reasons, as with so many migrants from Africa and the Middle 
 East; they fled Syria as refugees because for four years now *Syrian 
 President Bashat al-Assad* has responded to the popular demand that he 
 step down my making war on civilians 
 http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2013/07/assads-new-strategy-nothing-makes.html.
  
 I think these deaths, like a growing number, are the result of what I 
 am beginning to call Assad's holocaust. *UN Secretary General Ban 
 Ki-moon* must be feeling the much same. He said 
 http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sgsm17039.doc.htm the Syrian war had 
 /“just been manifested on a roadside in the heart of Europe.”/ 
*More...* 
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/08/are-71-syrian-refugees-found-dead-in.html*


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Russia ramps up Syria military involvement: pro-Assad paper

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Too little, too late:

“Much Of Syria Slips Out Of The Control Of President Bashar Al-Assad”
“You Know How On The Titanic, As It Is Sinking, You Have The Band Playing The 
Last Few Songs?  It Is Sort Of Like That.”
“It Is Almost Manic In The Sense Of They’re Going Over The Top To Pretend That 
Everything Is Fine”

Aug. 26, 2015 By Raja Abdulrahim, Wall Street Journal [Excerpts]

On the day in May when Islamic State militants raised their black flag above 
the ancient city of Palmyra, the Damascus Opera House featured a singer in a 
rumpled black suit belting out traditional Arabic ballads.

Members of the audience were herded together so the half-empty auditorium 
appeared full on state television, and the crowd whistled, clapped and danced 
in the aisles for the benefit of the cameras. 

This week, as the extremist militants blew up a 2,000-year-old temple in 
Palmyra, the opera house in the capital 150 miles to the west prepared to open 
an art exhibit.

“It is great that we still have these activities despite the war,” a man in his 
50s was overheard telling his wife during the performance in May. “Syria is 
always strong.”

As much of Syria slips out of the control of President Bashar al-Assad, his 
ability to persuade his people that the country will remain normal as long as 
he is in power has become indispensable to his regime’s survival.

The government now only controls one-sixth of Syria’s territory, the IHS 
Conflict Monitor said in a report issued last week, and maintaining a semblance 
of ordinary life in that area has become more necessary than ever.

In Damascus, Tuesday is now ladies night at Z-Bar, featuring DJ Tareq.

The government continues to host events such as a conference in May to mark 
World Migratory Bird Day, even though half the country’s human population, or 
some 11.5 million people, have been forced from their homes.

Weekend pool parties, a summer ritual, go on as usual despite a water crisis 
plaguing much of the country.

“We’re hearing of these over-the-top parties. It is almost manic in the sense 
of they’re going over the top to pretend that everything is fine,” said Amr 
al-Azm, a professor of Middle East history and anthropology at Shawnee State 
University in Portsmouth, Ohio.

“You know how on the Titanic, as it is sinking, you have the band playing the 
last few songs?  It is sort of like that.”

On Mr. Assad’s Instagram account, the Syrian leader is pictured meeting with 
soldiers and clerics while his wife Asma greets top students, mothers and 
members of the country’s Special Olympics team.

Although few foreign tourists now dare visit Syria, state media gave daily 
coverage to a weeklong visit in April by a delegation of French tourists.

Photos of crowded clubs and art exhibits in regime-controlled areas posted on 
social media contrast with images from the rest of Syria: limp bodies being 
pulled from rubble, barefoot children in tent cities and corpses of Islamic 
State victims hung from crosses.

“Showing Damascus as still living a normal life was one of its goals from the 
beginning,” a resident of the capital said of the regime. It is “focused on 
activities and parties and other things that are far from our reality.”

Hotel rooms and chalets in the coastal cities of Latakia and Tartous had to be 
booked a month in advance this summer, as vacationers from Damascus and Homs 
flooded to the Mediterranean coast beaches to swim and sunbathe as in years 
past.

In the city of Aleppo, some residents still take to the sidewalks at night to 
picnic and barbecue, a city tradition that survives despite the perils of 
rocket and artillery fire from rebel groups.

After an attack in June that state media said killed 23 and wounded dozens of 
people, Aleppo’s governor said life was normal in the city’s markets.

“The government has to maintain this facade of everything is OK. Otherwise, 
these people don’t feel safe,” Mr. Azm said. “Already the credibility of the 
regime has been questioned repeatedly every time the regime loses an important 
battle.”

Nowhere is the regime’s portrait of life in Syria more skewed than on social 
media, especially the Twitter feed for SANA, Syria’s state news agency.

Between tweets about government forces killing terrorists—the catchall term for 
all government opponents—are posts about disco and salsa parties.

But a Twitter campaign by SANA in June that urged followers to “snap us your 
moments of summer in #Syria using the hashtag #SummerInSyria” was used by 
opposition groups and activists to tweet photos showing child victims of 
government airstrikes, burning buildings and destroyed markets.

Yet the Assad 

Re: [Marxism] WHY RUSSIAN AND CHINESE WORKERS' STATES THREATEN WORLD CAPITALISM DESPITE STALINISM!

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Russia is run by a corrupt pack of super rich capitalists, called oligarchs, 
who intend to oppress and exploit every piece of the earth they can get their 
hands on for their Empire, and don’t give a shit about freedom, democracy, the 
right of nations to self-determination, or anything else besides heaping up 
their money.

The United States is run by a corrupt pack of super rich capitalists, called 
oligarchs, who intend to oppress and exploit every piece of the earth they can 
get their hands on for their Empire, and don’t give a shit about freedom, 
democracy, the right of nations to self-determination, or anything else besides 
heaping up their money.

China is run by a corrupt pack of super rich capitalists, called oligarchs, who 
intend to oppress and exploit every piece of the earth they can get their hands 
on for their Empire, and don’t give a shit about freedom, democracy, the right 
of nations to self-determination, or anything else besides heaping up their 
money.

Please excuse restatement of the obvious.

T


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Subject: [Marxism] WHY RUSSIAN AND CHINESE WORKERS' STATES THREATEN WORLD 
CAPITALISM DESPITE STALINISM!

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 https://defendtrotskyism.wordpress.com/2015/08/26/the-world-wide-revolutionary-socialst-implications-of-the-chinese-workers-state-growing-at-the-detriment-to-world-capitalist-market-by-anthony-brain/
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Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

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Having been subjected face to face to the raving, incoherent spittle-laced 
yelling of JIm Robertson, on one occasion, in those long lost 1960's, and 
having been physically attacked on another occasion decades later by a 
Spartacist League member, Creegan [sp?] seems to me a pussycat in comparison. 

That said, perhaps a red line is whether or not anyone uses a personal insult, 
grounds for removal from any discussion group.

If someone wishes to write that some political view of mine is stupid, or will 
lead inevitably to a reformist disaster, or is an accommodation to the swamp of 
petite bourgeois veganism, fair enough.  That’s a discussion.  From time to 
time I have expressed political views that were stupid.  Who has not?  Those 
who bluntly pointed that out did me a service, painful as it was at the time.

If someone calls me stupid, or says I am a reformist disaster, or calls me a 
petite bourgeois veganist, that's over the line.  Name calling is over the line 
in any discussion group.  One warning would be sufficient.

Of course it is the option of the creator of a discussion group to set what 
limits seem reasonable and proper.

T

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The list isn't a party or a movement body. Yes, there are inconsistencies
and injustices result.

The fact of the matter has always been that this is Louis' operation.  That
has been the most functional solution to having an ongoing 24/7 flame war
over who should or shouldn't be here.

There simply exists no mechanism for a democratic email list, Much less a
democratic-centralist email list.  Or does someone have an alternative that
they've not implemented or are keeping secret?

In this case, a second chance would not be amiss, particularly if there's a
general acknowledgement of the remote possibility that the working class
can be betrayed by people trying to figure out the situation in Greece in
an email discussion.

Solidarity!
Mark L.
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Re: [Marxism] Richard Seymour on the 'defeat of Syriza'

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The naked about face of the Syriza regime is also a huge step forward towards 
killing illusions that leftish reformist parties like Syriza, or Podemos, have 
anything to offer Europe’s working classes, other than more misery and 
disaster, and the political neutering of tendencies who choose to walk into 
those swamps.  

That is an important clarification. Hopefully, lesson learned.

T



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Sent: Jul 11, 2015 1:04 PM
To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net
Subject: [Marxism] Richard Seymour on the 'defeat of Syriza'

Syriza. Defeat. Victory. Defeat.
by Richard Seymour
Lenin's Tomb, July 10
http://www.leninology.co.uk
 . . .
Now, it seems, Syriza has caved and proposed a deal which is even
worse than the worst.  Cuts.  Privatisations.  Pension 'reforms'.  VAT
increases.  Recessionary measures.  Barely a trace of a progressive
agenda left here, notwithstanding the strenuous and heartbreaking
efforts of euro-leftists to give it a gloss.  In some respects, they
have delivered, after months of fighting, a more complete victory to
the neoliberal managers of Europe than the latter could have won on
their own account.  The social catastrophe that has befallen Greece is
now going to be prolonged - the suicides, the premature deaths, the
medicine shortages, the starvation, the wage losses, unemployment -
but without any possible conviction that, say, a new radical left
government might be elected and put an end to the misery.  What sort
of political forces might stand to gain in that terrain is obviously
undecided; but we have seen what the worst of it could be.



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Re: [Marxism] Richard Seymour on the 'defeat of Syriza'

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es.

The question of what organized politics offer the possibility of change from 
below is now very much front and center.  The spectacular collapse of 
parliamentary politics from above throws that door wide open.

The quote from Brecht below is most apt. It was written mid-1953 during an 
uprising in the streets by the East German working class. 

After the uprising of the 17th June
 The Secretary of the Writer's Union
 Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
 Stating that the people
 Had forfeited the confidence of the government
 And could win it back only
 By redoubled efforts.   Would it not be easier
 In that case for the government
 To dissolve the people
 And elect another?

It is often the case that before people, organizations, or a class, can 
formulate how to go forward, it is first necessary to become conscious of what 
they do not want and what does not work.  Negation of the bullshit. 

Nobody can yet say what class response, if any, will come in the streets to 
events of the past few days and the decisions yet to come over the weekend. 

Nobody can yet say what political tendency, if any, will put forward politics 
that will begin to gather support to move against the government from below 
when and if sufficient forces are organized and ready to do so.

What is certain is that there has been consistent underestimation of the depth 
of the rage and resistance among the Greek people in general and the Greek 
working class in particular to EU insistence on stripping them naked and 
pushing their faces into the dirt. 

That may now lead everywhere, or nowhere.  

Revolutionary organizations have been notoriously awful at predicting the 
course of short term events. A modern example: general amazement at the outcome 
of the referendum.

The best have been supple enough not to lag too far behind uprisings from 
below. 

Solidarity,

T


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Subject: Re: [Marxism] Richard Seymour on the 'defeat of Syriza'

So what kind of party do we need? One that proclaims the need for 
rupture? Such a party exists. Actually two of them exist: KKE and 
Antarsya. But the support for them is negligible. The fact that only 5 
percent of those voting no in the referendum expected that if such a 
vote it would lead to a Grexit, either bourgeois or proletarian, is 
something that the left has to grapple with. Indeed, the highest 
preference according to party lines for leaving the eurozone is from 
ANEL and Golden Dawn. Only 5 percent of Syriza voters expressed a desire 
to leave the eurozone. Maybe the Greeks should consider Brecht's advice: 
the government should dissolve the people and elect another.

On 7/11/15 1:37 PM, Thomas via Marxism wrote:
 The naked about face of the Syriza regime is also a huge step forward 
 towards killing illusions that leftish reformist parties like Syriza, or 
 Podemos, have anything to offer Europe’s working classes, other than more 
 misery and disaster, and the political neutering of tendencies who choose to 
 walk into those swamps.

 That is an important clarification. Hopefully, lesson learned.

 T


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Re: [Marxism] Syriza MP: It's Time to Take Over the Banks, now!

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The referendum was merely Act 1. 

The EU leadership and much of the left appear clueless as to what it means that 
the polarization of Greek society is gathering momentum.

The Greek working class stood up, came on stage, and carried the vote, along 
with help from small farmers and shopkeepers in regions outside the urban 
centers.  Having felt and seen their own power, they will not easily be stuffed 
back into passivity.  Too late for that.  They are now beginning to act for 
themselves.

The Greek capitalist class, backed by the EU, united in opposition to a No vote.

If the Syriza regime now tries to force an acceptance of more poverty and 
misery, by agreeing to some new EU austerity plan, in defiance of the vote, and 
the mobilized class that won it, there will be a demonstration of how an 
aroused working class takes a fight away from parliament and into the streets 
and workplaces.  And into the Greek army.

Is that a certainty?  Of course not.  Is that a probability?  For sure.

The splintering or collapse of the Syriza regime, caught now between pressure 
from below and pressure from above, and/or the collapse of Greek economic 
relations in the financial sphere, will tend to move events in the same 
direction, whether or not some new EU plan is accepted by the regime. 

That is what the left has described in the past as a pre-revolutionary 
situation, although it would appear that few have a clue now about the 
direction in which events are tending.

Should the Greek general staff, some of whom have political ties to the 
neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party, attempt a military solution, they will bring on 
revolutionary class warfare.  What Greek soldiers do then will be decisive.

Hopefully, there are forces in Greece who do see the material reality of what 
is before their eyes, and are preparing accordingly, inside and outside of the 
Greek armed forces.

T

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The transcript of this interview wasn't yet available when i sent the
original message.  It is now.  Here are some excerpts:
 . . .
JAY: Now, you're a member of parliament. You've been writing columns
in the Guardian. What are you advocating now? In this moment, what
should Syriza's next steps be?

LAPAVITSAS: Let's think here about a number of things. The strategy of
Syriza before the election, and for most of its time in government,
has been to achieve radical change in Greece and a new relationship
with the lenders, solving the macroeconomic problems of the country
within the Eurozone. The argument was if we negotiate hard, if we use
democratic weapons that we've got in our hands, we will achieve a
better settlement for the Greek people. This strategy has come to an
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Re: [Marxism] NYC, Tonight: Gaza - The Massacre One Year Later with Mustafa Barghouti Joe Catron

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16 Beaver Street Manhattan or 16 Beaver Street Brooklyn?

T


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Subject: [Marxism] NYC, Tonight: Gaza - The Massacre One Year Later with 
Mustafa Barghouti  Joe Catron

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On Facebook: http://on.fb.me/1GKM8yM

On the Web:
http://al-awdany.org/2015/06/july-7-gaza-the-massacre-one-year-later-with-mustafa-barghouti-and-joe-catron

Tuesday, July 7 at 6:30pm

ALWAN Center 16 Beaver Street 4th Floor

Join Al-Awda NY: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition, on the first
anniversary of the 2014 Massacre in Gaza - and the 10th anniversary of the
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Charleston shooting: Judge Gosnell presiding over Dylann Roof's case previously reprimanded over racist language - Americas - World - The Independent

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If only.

Wiki: Rock is a vocal critic of racial profiling and often speaks of the 
everyday racism he feels he experiences, despite being famous.[42][43] In a 
2013 episode of Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee with Jerry Seinfeld, Rock and 
Seinfeld are pulled over by the police for speeding. In the episode Rock admits 
to Seinfeld that If you weren't here, I'd be scared. Yeah, I'm famous - still 
black.

T

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Dylann Roof's case previously reprimanded over racist language - Americas - 
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So basically, they've hired Chris Rock to be the judge on this one

- Amith

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 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charleston-shooting-judge-gosnell-presiding-over-dylann-roofs-case-previously-reprimanded-over-racist-language-10333701.html
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The American pseudo-left and the Democratic Party - World Socialist Web Site

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Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:4

T

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- World Socialist Web Site


Here, btw, was a comment on this from Karl Smith, a regular reader of my 
blog. I should add that he is a great admirer of the late Sam Marcy so 
this should have some additional weight:

Freakin’ ludicrous! A 1/4 century after the the collapse of the USSR and 
the End of the Cold War, yet we hear this shit from both leftist sites 
as well as pseudo libertarian sites like Prison Planet. If this is what 
Ralph Nader means by a Left/Right alliance then it’s the 1st vestiges of 
his senility.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Christian Parenti on the State, Humanity as Part of Nature and the Malleability of Capitalism

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The development of civilization and of industry in general has ever shown 
itself so active in the destruction of forests, that everything done by it for 
their preservation, compared to its destructive effect, appears infinitesimal.
-- Karl Marx; Capital: A Critique Of Political Economy; Volume II; The Process 
Of The Circulation Of Capital



On 5/18/15 9:30 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:
 This is his reply--he calls his position closer to Green Capitalist
 than Karl Marx

Left out the link: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/pen-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu/msg38031.html
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Some Supplemental Thoughts on the Left Elect Conference

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A spectre is haunting the somewhat left; the spectre of Bernie Sanders. 

Further comment unnecessary. 

T


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Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Some Supplemental Thoughts on the Left Elect   
Conference


Towards the close of the first day, supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders 
circulated an open letter from the newly declared Democratic 
presidential candidate expressing his solidarity with the goals of the 
conference and reminding us of his efforts on behalf of independent 
candidates at Richmond, Madison, and Chicago. 

While such a development should have surprised nobody, the conference 
thereafter seemed haunted 
by the Sanders’ campaign. 

full: http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=12268
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Re: [Marxism] A vote to 86

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It's general U.S. slang for a bartender or bar bouncer telling a customer that, 
due to her or his ill behavior, the customer is refused service; or, more 
likely, that the person is no longer welcome on the premises and must leave 
now, and may mean the person is banned from returning.

The notion that it is some kind of threat to do violence to the customer, or 
list member, is silly.

T




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this has gotten out of hand. 86 isn't a murderous threat. it's american police 
jargon for throwing someone out of a bar. 

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Subject: Re: [Marxism] A vote to 86 

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On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:26 AM, A.R. G amithrgu...@gmail.com wrote: 

Last I checked it means kill someone, so this should constitute a violent 
 threat. 
 

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Re: [Marxism] Greek Prospects

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An effort of the sort Creegan proposes may be found here:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/04.htm

The material reality now is no parallel; however this is one example of 
previous work by leftists to bring subjective awareness up to the level of 
objective necessity.  

T


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Subject: [Marxism] Greek Prospects


The first thing that strikes me about Marv's thinking is its fatalistic
objectivism, which takes present mass consciousness as an immutable
given, leaving no role for leftwing agency. To my thinking, if the
awareness of the people is inadequate to the existing situation--which in
Greece I think it definitely is at the moment--then it is the role of
leftists to look for ways to bring subjective awareness up to the level of
objective necessity.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: On the Independent Greeks; and on Alliances | lives; running

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To complete the picture, it would be helpful to know what compromises the 
Bolshevik Party made before leading the accomplishment of a working class 
revolution from below 10.17.

In fairness to Syriza, it may be worth remembering that the leadeship of that 
organization never promised to expropriate the Greek capitalist class, smash 
the capitalist state or lead any revolution anywhere. 

Therefore, to reproach Syriza for selling out etc. etc. by practicing 
reformist politics is silly bombast. 

T


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Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: On the Independent Greeks; and on Alliances | lives;   
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It may be helpful to review at this point some of the compromises that 
the party most often cited as a comparison, the Lenin-era Bolsheviks, 
made with its enemies. Brest-Litovsk, the recruitment of Tsarist 
officers to senior positions in the Red Army, one-man management in 
industry, the NEP, the Rapallo peace treaty under which the German 
military hosted its research facilities in tanks and chemical weapons on 
Bolshevik soil. 
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Re: [Marxism] Theory Question on right-wing anti-Zionism

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“A Jew to Zionist Fighters, 1988”
Do You Really Want To Be The New Gestapo?
The New Wehrmacht?
The New SA And SS?

Erich Fried was born in Vienna in 1921 and escaped to England, with his mother, 
after his father was tortured to death by the Gestapo, in 1938. 

Because of his experiences with racism and Fascism he became involved in the 
Palestinian cause. 

He was a leader in the fight against both Fascism and Zionism. 

***

A Jew to Zionist Fighters, 1988

What do you actually want?
Do you really want to outdo
those who trod you down
a generation ago
into your own blood
and into your own excrement
Do you want to pass on the old torture
to others now
in all its bloody and dirty detail
with all the brutal delight of torturers
as suffered by your fathers?
Do you really want to be the new Gestapo
the new Wehrmacht
the new SA and SS
and turn the Palestinians
into the new Jews?
Well then I too want,
having fifty years ago
myself been tormented for being a Jewboy
by your tormentors,
to be a new Jew with these new Jews
you are making of the Palestinians
And I want to help lead them as a free people
into their own land of Palestine
from whence you have driven them or in which you plague them
you apprentices of the Swastika
you fools and changelings of history
whose Star of David on your flags
turns ever quicker
into that damned symbol with its four feet
that you just do not want to see
but whose path you are following today

T


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Subject: Re: [Marxism] Theory Question on right-wing anti-Zionism


Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your input. I do, however, take issue with this particular
paragraph:

It is inexplicable that they would see the suffering of Palestinians
and be morally outraged while having no such reaction to the Nazi
holocaust. You cannot find in their writings solidarity with
anti-imperialist struggles in general or defense of minorities in European
countries. Or support for any other struggles by Arabs where Israel isn't
involved. The only possible explanation for their solidarity with
Palestine, having internalized the mainstream narrative of a Jewish-Arab
conflict in the middle-east, is anti-semitism.

See, I don't see Palestine as just another human rights struggle. I think
there are obvious elements of the Zionist colonization of Palestine that
are distinct -- the warfare against a stateless people, the sheer length of
time that the violence has gone on, the settler-colonial element, the
support from the US, the Zionist lobby in the United States, etc.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Caliphatalism? - The American Interest

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It may be that a significant part of the appeal of the Islamic state formation 
to those who come from far and near to fight under their banner is their 
declared intention to shatter the borders flowing from the 1916 Skyes-Picot 
Agreement, which agreement created artificial nation states out of the remains 
of the Ottoman Empire, by and for the benefit of Imperial England, France, with 
the assent of feeble but hopeful Imperial Russia.

The Islamic State thus proceeds beyond the politics of the 20th century 
“Colonial Revolution,” limited to expelling the direct rule of whichever 
foreign power dominated, but which did not touch a hair of the old colonial 
physical state boundaries, in Africa or the Middle East.

Destroying that antique, externally imposed organization of territory is what 
they do.

Part of their popular appeal is a vision of a new, unitary power, opposed to 
the old powers and the United States, and treating the old national borders 
imposed from outside as enemy arrangements to be destroyed.

As usual, the religious mask hides a scramble for political and economic power

T





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Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Caliphatalism? - The American Interest


While atheism exists everywhere, what is rising in Mosul, and probably 
in Raqqa too, is a trend worth noting. When young people, once devoted 
Muslims, decide to stray from the Creator in anger, the future will bear 
the consequences. A young doctor told me he has become a heavy smoker 
and laughs about the extreme lengths he goes to just to get his hands on 
smoke after ISIS added cigarettes to its extended “taboo list.” He 
wrapped his amusing story with blasphemy: “If not only ISIS, but if 
Allah Himself comes down here to Mosul and tells me stop, I will still 
find a way to smoke.” This is a far cry from the man I used to know, who 
backed the Islamic Party in all national and local elections. ISIS is 
driving him crazy.

full: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/02/caliphatalism/
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Bridging the racial gap

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In viewing the website, no link to post a comment on an article can be found, 
which will operate to limit interest in and future attention to what is posted, 
conveying the message that there is no interest or importance to what a reader 
may agree or disagree with.  A one way street only.

T


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Sent: Feb 26, 2015 11:06 AM
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Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Bridging the racial gap

An astonishing reality of socialist organizing is that, no matter how 
much anti-racist rhetoric you preach, no matter how good your 
anti-racist demands are, and no matter how politically correct or even 
self-deprecating your white activists are, none of these things 
necessarily lead to building real connections with the Black community.

This is, of course, the typical white socialist approach to the Black 
community.  You show up to demonstrations, you have anti-racist 
statements in your newspapers, you formulate large-scale political 
demands that seem to touch on the problems the community is facing. 
Most comically, you jump through conceptual and semantic hoops to 
abolish your own racial category, or otherwise self-criticize.

full: http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=12190

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Re: [Marxism] my take on Syriza's offering today

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But in general it seems like the battle must shift now to the workplaces
and the streets to fight for human needs no matter what the bankers want -
and no matter what Tsipras agreed to.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/feb/24/greek-bailout-reform-plan-eurogroup-live-updates
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Re: [Marxism] Sometimes the Bosses Are Stronger

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Here's one.  
http://www.labornotes.org/2015/02/telecom-strikers-win-limits-outsourcing#sthash.Le8Ffx1W.dpuf

There are others.

What do you do for a living?

T


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Sent: Feb 23, 2015 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Sometimes the Bosses Are Stronger

James Creegan wrote, The problem with the labor-negotiation analogy, as
with so many of Louis's bogus comparisons, is that unions go into
negotiations  threatening to strike if they can't arrive at a satisfactory
deal with the bosses.

Where?  When?  How can I join such a union?

ML
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber

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So, we see below that SYRIZA, in order to gain an absolute majority in the 
Greek Parliament, allied with the far right Independent Greeks party, ANEL, 
and, for some as yet unknown reason, chose to select Panos Kamenos, ANELs’ 
leading member, as the cabinet member in charge of the Greek military.

JA writes below “He will have no problem to deal with and be personally 
accepted by the army officers, including the many golden dawnites among them.”

For those unfamiliar with Golden Dawn, this is from Wikipedia:

“Scholars and media have described it as neo-Nazi and fascist, though the group 
rejects these labels.  Members have expressed admiration of the former Greek 
dictator Ioannis Metaxas of the 4th of August Regime (1936–1941).  They have 
also made use of Nazi symbolism, and have praised figures of Nazi Germany in 
the past.  According to academic sources, the group is racist and xenophobic, 
while the party’s leader has openly identified it as nationalist and racist.”

Further, JA writes below about the new Defense Minister chosen by SYRIZA to be 
in charge of the Greek military:

“A hard core nationalist, with his own political vision: a kind of.. 
permanent Bonapartistic governance!!!”

For those unfamiliar with Bonapartism, this is from Dictionary.com:

“a political system resembling the rules of the Bonapartes, esp Napoleon I and 
Napoleon III: centralized government by a military dictator, who enjoys popular 
support given expression in plebiscites”

To sum up, SYRIZA has chosen as the cabinet members heading the Greek Army a 
politician who “will have no problem to deal with and be personally accepted by 
the army officers, including the many golden dawnites [neo-Nazis] among them.”

And who is for “centralized government by a military dictator.”

This choice by SYRIZA, as yet unexplained, brings to mind a ship captain whose 
vessel was taking on water in a storm and in danger of sinking.

The captain ordered the crew to drill holes in the bottom of the ship to let 
the water out.


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From: ioannis aposperites aposperi...@gmail.com
Sent: Jan 28, 2015 3:11 AM
To: Thomas thomasfbar...@earthlink.net, Activists and scholars in Marxist 
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Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber

Well Panos Kamenos is the new head of the cabinet of National Defense. 
A right wing clown.

A short *ridiculum* vitae :
Born in 1965 son of Elias BigBigMoney Kamenos he started his political 
career at New Democracy till 2011 when he refused support to Papademos 
government, left Samaras and founded the Independend greeks party.

A hard core nationalist, with his own political vision: a kind of.. 
permanent Bonapartistic governance!!! (don't ask me more about) and an 
homophobic.

He will have no problem to deal with and be personally accepted by the 
army officers, including the many golden dawnites among them.

JA



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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber

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This is welcome news.  

For English speaking comrades, more about 'DIKTΥO SPARTAKOS' maybe found at: 
http://nkapatras.blogspot.com/2010/07/dikto-spartakos-network-of-conscripts.html
 

Is there any indication that SYRIZA, in whole or in part, is conscious of the 
risks of military intervention by the Greek general staff against movement from 
below for social liberation, and is preparing accordingly for that possiblity?

Who has been selected as the cabinet member in charge of the Greek military, 
and what are his or her politics?

Please pass along warmest solidarity greetings to 'DIKTΥO SPARTAKOS' from the 
Military Project, USA: http://www.militaryproject.org 



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On 27/01/2015 09:24 μμ, Thomas via Marxism wrote:


 There have been no reports, so far, or even hints of efforts by SYRIZA or 
 anybody else on the left
to organize among rank and file soldiers.


This is not true. Spartacus soldier's network is precisely organizing 
rank and file soldiers since 1992:

  'DIKTΥO SPARTAKOS', the network of the conscripts

What is the Soldiers-Network 'Diktio Spartakos'?

. Diktyo Spartakos is the backbone of the 
antiwar, antinationalist and antimilitary movement.

more: http://diktiospartakos.blogspot.gr/
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber

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[“There is no close historical precedent in Europe for a SYRIZA 
victory--although there are some parallels with the 1970 election of a 
socialist government led by Salvador Allende in Chile.”  Lee Sustar, in 
Socialist Worker newspaper, January 20, 2015]

It may be useful to recall that the Allende regime, an effort to implement some 
superficial reforms of capitalism, without threatening to get rid of the 
dominant class of capitalists who ruled the Chilean nation, was exterminated 
three years later by the Chilean general staff.

The reformer Allende was executed.  He was replaced by Gen. Augusto Pinochet, 
whose regime killed, tortured, and exiled tens of thousands of Chileans. 

Allende’s political party, living in some silly fantasy world, didn’t wish to 
offend the generals in command and made no effort to organize support inside 
the Army.

Neither did most of the self-styled revolutionaries in the three years they had 
to organize inside the Army before their end came.

For their failure, the penalty was death.

Will the Greek generals, forever and always famously loyal to the Greek 
capitalist elite, tolerate a left regime in Greece, even if its program now is 
an effort to implement some reforms of capitalism, without threatening to get 
rid of the dominant class of capitalists and their generals who rule the nation?

What will they do when tens of thousands of Greeks, who now believe the SYRIZA 
election victory means their social liberation, take matters into their own 
hands, begin to act for themselves from below, and move against their ruling 
class of tormentors and oppressors far father and faster than SYRIZA 
parliamentary politicians have any intention of going?

Care to take a bet?  Όποιος γίνεται πρόβατο τον τρώει ο λύκος!

There have been no reports, so far, or even hints of efforts by SYRIZA or 
anybody else on the left to organize among rank and file soldiers.

If not, it will be unnecessary to provide blindfolds should the Greek generals 
seize power and order military executioners to work.

The blindfolds are already in place.  


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From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu
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To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net
Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber

Interesting analysis of the high-stakes poker game about to unfold.

http://crookedtimber.org/2015/01/25/greek-games-and-scenarios/
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber

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Yes!  


On 1/27/15 5:25 PM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote:

 This is not true. Spartacus soldier's network is precisely organizing
 rank and file soldiers since 1992:

   'DIKTΥO SPARTAKOS', the network of the conscripts

 What is the Soldiers-Network 'Diktio Spartakos'?


Interesting how the global reach of the Internet helps us understand our 
tasks as Marxists.

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Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba

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New York City population: 8,405,837

Jewish population of New York City: 2,028,200

[Wikipedia]

Not exactly Jerusalem.

So much for stupid stereotypes.

T

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Cc: dwalters...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba



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DW said:
WTF??? Obviously you've never been to Jerusalem...that is, NEW YORK CITY,
have you?

Ken Hiebert replies:
Whatever you may have intended, this comment could be read as a complaint that 
there are too many Jews in New York.  
I don't know how many Jews there are in New York, but I hope they all feel at 
home there.  I wouldn't want to suggest to any of them that they might be more 
welcome in Israel.
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Re: [Marxism] What does the oil price slump show us about the Russian economy?

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Thanks to Proyect for a clear, concise restatement of the obvious. Predators 
come in various sizes and strengths. Duh.

T





  


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On 12/19/14 2:57 PM, Roger Annis via Marxism wrote:
 Or could it be that the
 characteristics of a country that is not (or not yet) imperialist is 
 precisely
 that its industry, agriculture and public sector is relatively 
 underdeveloped?
 Indeed, it could. That’s one of a half dozen or so measures I used in my June
 2014 article of what does and does not describe a country and social
 formation deemed to be imperialist.

There are dominant imperialist nations and ones not so dominant, like 
Japan before WWII.

Spain was an imperialist nation but a rather toothless one as it lost 
its colonies to the USA.

Same thing with Italy.

In 1916 Lenin wrote The European War and International Socialism that 
included this paragraph:

Have the socialists of France and Belgium not shown the same kind of 
treachery? They are excellent at exposing German imperialism, but, 
unfortunately they are amazingly purblind with regard to British, 
French, and particularly the barbarous Russian imperialism. They fail to 
see the disgraceful fact that, for decades on end, the French 
bourgeoisie have been paying out thousands of millions for the hire of 
the Black-Hundred gangs of Russian tsarism, and that the latter has been 
crushing the non-Russian majority in our country, robbing Po]and, 
oppressing the Great Russian workers and peasants, and so on.

Was Lenin in error when he referred to Russian imperialism? I think not.

But more to the point, the real emphasis in Lenin's Imperialism: the 
Highest Stage of Capitalism was not on developing social science 
categories of the sort that Max Weber advanced. He was describing the 
capitalism that existed on the eve of WWI--the highest stage--that was 
marked by struggles over the control of colonies. It was obvious that 
some countries were building empires--with varying degrees of 
success--and others were their victims. Russia belonged to the 
empire-building category and Ukraine to the colonial.
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Re: [Marxism] On the Nature Origins of Our Ecological Crisis

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The development of civilization and of industry in general has ever shown 
itself so active in the destruction of forests, that everything done by it for 
their preservation, compared to its destructive effect, appears infinitesimal.
-- Karl Marx; Capital: A Critique Of Political Economy; Volume II; The Process 
Of The Circulation Of Capital

T


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http://www.jasonwmoore.com/uploads/The_Capitalocene__Part_I__June_2014.pdf
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Re: [Marxism] NYRB review of Naomi Klein

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Socialism in one country = socialism in no country.

T


Socialism in one country - as in USSR, China, and Cuba - is a dead end and as 
we 
have seen turns into its opposite. Stalinism and its junior off-shoots of 
Maoism, Gueverism, Enverism, etc. did and will get us nowhere fast. In fact, 
these sub-standard 'socialist' ideologies have to be overcome as barriers to 
the 
socialist/communist advance that the world and its people need.

And how anyone can begin to imagine that the environment cannot be of primary 
concern to Marxists and a Marxist program is incredible. Capitalism and its 
ever-readiness to extract profit regardless of consequences is what is 
damaging 
workers' and other working people's lives and the planet as whole. One way or 
another, capitalism will kill us if we don't stop it.

Naomi Klein is an important writer and her contribution to the debate on 
capitalism's destruction of the planet is something no Marxist can ignore.

-- 
Jim (j...@redunity.org) on 21/11/2014
NUJ 024828
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Re: [Marxism] The current status and significance of the battle for Kobani

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Old time instruction for cooking rabbit stew:

First, catch a rabbit.

T

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Subject: [Marxism] The current status and significance of the battle for   
Kobani

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Below, the link to a progress report on the battle of Kobani by the Turkish 
journalist Cengiz Çandar who visited the front a few days ago. Çandar  
believes the Stalingrad of the Kurds - stubbornly defended for the past two 
months by the YPG/J militia, composed equally of young Kurdish women and men - 
 probably marks the beginning of the end of IS in military terms. 


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Re: [Marxism] Cuba Re: Goodbye to Leninism

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When was it that the means of production were seized by the Cuban working class 
and a government of their workers' councils elected from below adminiser the 
state, you know, like in Russia 1917?  Or is that form of working class rule 
now some silly old relic no longer applicable. 

T


On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Charlie via Marxism
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote:
. . .
 Cuba survived independent of imperialism and took the socialist road because
 the Castro group and the Communists merged fairly soon after liberation.
. . .

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Re: [Marxism] Stalinist-Trotskyist bromance

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Not suprising.  Both Stalin and Trotsky agreed, contra Lenin, that Russia was 
socialist. The infamous Socialism in one country delusion. 

T


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One of the things I find so disturbing is the growing affinity between a 
part of the left that has its roots in the Trotskyist movement and the 
Novorossiya project in Donbass and Crimea. It involves people like Roger 
Annis in Canada, Renfrey Clark in Australia, as well as currents 
associated with John Rees's Counterfire, et al.

Today I was reminded of how much of an affinity there is between 
neo-Stalinism and ortho-Trotskyism when an interview with Colonel 
Cassad cropped up on CounterPunch. 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: What Shakespeare taught me about Marxism | Paul Mason | Comment is free | The Guardian

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The oldtimers did have a way with words:

They treasured up wrath for the time to come.
 -- Edward, Earl of Clarendon, writing in 1702 on the growing discontent below 
that led to the revolutionary overthrow and beheading of Charles I, King of 
England, in the previous century.


T


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Re: [Marxism] Workers in Russia protest Moscow's war on Ukraine

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The Aljazeera article is false, in asserting this is the first such mass 
demonstration in Russia against the war.

For accurate information, see the first three links at:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=russia+protest 

Solidarity,
T




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NB: Workers in Russia protest Moscow's war on Ukraine.

(Defenders of 300 years of Great Russian chauvinism will quickly demur that
these protesters are paid dupes and fifth columnists of the IMF, John
McCain, Victoria Nuland, USAID, NATO, and the neocon conspiracy. )

Russians stage anti-Ukraine war in Moscow
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/09/russians-stage-anti-ukraine-war-moscow-201492114729171223.html

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Michael Moore Slams Obama: All He’ll Be Remembered for Is ‘First Black President’ | Mediaite

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Lause got it right.

The first time Obama ran, the customary leafy-headed white liberals on my job 
were all wetting their pants with delight.  

A black fellow union brother said he didn't think Obama could win.

When I asked how come he said, Because he's got a black wife.

Perhaps some white radicals need to go through some experiences, whatever that 
means.  

T

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The trouble is that, in America, there are no lessons learned that
aren't rather thoroughly lost in the tsunami of media that accompanies
then and later washes out.

I put Obama less on the black community than the white silly shits who
saw supporting him as a means of expiating guilt. After all, I think
Obama would hardly have been the first choice for African Americans,
while he was certainly the ideal first black president for the whites.

ML

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Perhaps Afro-America had to go through this experience.

Is an odd statement. I think I know what you mean, but I'm not sure Black
America needs to go through BHO, as much as the US needs to move on from
structural racism.

Years from now we'll still find blacks defending the man against
antediluvian ideologues - for the record I don't think this is entirely a
good thing - but what many non-black radicals still fail to understand, and
sometimes it boggles my mind, is that most of us still identify first with
race, and second with class.

There is no mass party or organization around these days to help flesh out
these particular American complexities. Until that comes along...

On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Gary MacLennan via Marxism 
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 Well I am more optimistic than this.  I like to feel that the future is Red
 and that Obama will be remembered for the right-wing con artist that he is.
 Perhaps Afro-America had to go through this experience.  Just like many
 women in America may have to go through the experience of having a woman
 president.  Or maybe gay America will have to go through the experience of
 having an openly gay president.

 I hope not.  I hope Obama is remembered for teaching all of us that It's
 the class war, stupid.

 comradely

 Gary




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