Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked again,
'So now we can be told the relevance of dialectical materialism ...'
You clearly haven't got the point of my differentiation between
radical agitational politics and scientific socialism. From the point
of view of utopian socialism then you are absolutely
Chris,
As I work in the university library I have tried to find some of the
papers of Schorlemmer but I have not suceeded in locating anything of
interest. I have looked through all his published works in English
but do not know enough about chenistry to spot the interesting bits.
All the
Good one , John,
You have found even more examples than we did last time,directly from Marx, directly
of Marx expressing the opinion that dialectics has validity not only in human history
but in natural history.
Maybe Marx was wrong, but those who are arguing the other side should say that
Hi again,
IMO comrades - who are outraged at the economic system they find
themselves in; who are morally offended by the massive poverty which
sits unpleasantly next to the exclusivity of the great wealth of
society - are drawn to Marxism as one amongst a number of possible
solutions to this
The following is more demonstration of dialectics as process of natural history :
Reason
and Revolt: Marxism and Science by Alan Woods and Ted Grant online @
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~zac/maindex.htm
CB
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Rob Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/13/99 09:00AM
You've
At 12:07 13/12/99 GMT, John Walker wrote:
Here are a few more quotes from Marx OWN writings on dialectics
existing in nature:
Bravo!!
If you are in Manchester have you been able to inspect in the rare books
section of the John Rylands University Library for the 2000 page documents
of the
Lew writes:
Whether Engels turned this materialist methodology into a metaphysics
(as I believe) or not, the issue now is one of political practice. In
what way does "dialectical materialism" contribute to the struggle for
socialism?
It hinders the struggle by turning Marx into a
At 16:04 10/12/99 GMT, Russ wrote:
Lew writes:
Whether Engels turned this materialist methodology into a metaphysics
(as I believe) or not, the issue now is one of political practice. In
what way does "dialectical materialism" contribute to the struggle for
socialism?
It hinders the struggle
Dear all
Just been of for a few days (using up the sick leave!) and your all
back to Dialectical Materialism. It clear must be a significant
issue. I haven't read all the messages but Chris' substantial reply
of 7/12/99 (23:24) seemed to sum up my position most clearly.
It is NOT possible
Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/09/99 04:03PM
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], J.WALKER
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Also when Engels wrote (and presumeably while he was writing)
Anti-During - as a manifesto of their joint position within the
German Socialist Workers Party - we would have to believe he
G'day Charles,
It takes an extreme contortion not to see that Marx's correspondence and
much other work is literally dripping with evidence that he considered
his work to be joint with Engels's.
The two consciously disagreed about many things, Charles! From the
personal (lovers and
"The World Socialist movement (via The Socialist Party of Great Britain)"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/05/99 07:34PM
Dear all,
Towards this, I suggest a debate on the real issue behind all of this -
historical materialism vs dialectical materialism.
Only the former can be found in Marx's
I have been holding back from this debate because it was very thoroughly
thrashed out to the point of exhaustion previously. Lots of examples were
gathered of Marx's dialectical attitude to the natural world.
The biggest example of Marx's dialectics in Capital, particularly volume 1,
itself. I
Russ,
If you don't mind, can you give me a brief explanation of the difference
between the two?
Thanks
Pete
Hi Pete,
Okey doke. This is an old hot chestnut for Thaxians and one that sharply
divides us!
Raymond Williams summarises it nicely:
'Historical materialism refers to human
Not willing to go along with you and Russ. The dialectical materialist concept
originates with Marx. Engels knew him better than you and Russ.
CB
"The World Socialist movement (via The Socialist Party of Great Britain)"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/05/99 05:57PM
Dear Russ,
This was
G'day Simon,
Thaxis had a pretty good go at the 'materialist conception of history'
interpretation question a little while back - which may explain the paucity
of responses to this question. Not surprisingly, some of us defended the
necessary social basis of HM and some didn't. But those who
Towards this, I suggest a debate on the real issue behind all of this -
historical materialism vs dialectical materialism.
Only the former can be found in Marx's writings.
Russ
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