Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Steve Gabosch
I continue to enjoy this thread, but will be gone for some days and it will probably be a little while after that before I can reengage. I will think about the position Charles and Ralph have taken on the relationship of the brain to the origins of humanity. I think Engels' argument about how

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] the Politics of Class - Is Unity Possible?

2005-06-07 Thread Waistline2
>>TONC also takes the Millions More Movement’s march on Wash. DC on October 15 very seriously and we are already beginning to strategize as to how we can best unite the struggle against the war with that effort. We don’t want the two dates, October 15, and Sept. 24, just three weeks apart, to c

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Ralph Dumain
Very interesting post. Just a few isolated comments to begin . . . At 03:10 PM 6/7/2005 +0200, Victor wrote: .. The fact that life forms activities are directed to concrete future states, they are, no matter how simple or mechanical, exercises in reason. This why, if you wil

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Ralph Dumain
Yes, I have this book somewhere. So are you going to forward your review to this list? At 03:31 PM 6/7/2005 +0200, Victor wrote: Unfortunately, the mainstay of Western interpretations of Ilyenkov's works is the absolutely wierd product of a Brit academic who represents them as a sort of sociol

[Marxism-Thaxis] African Americans and the Politics of Class

2005-06-07 Thread Waistline2
Cover Story: June-teenth 2005: African Americans and the Politics of Class http://www.lrna.org/league/PT/PT.2005.6/PT.2005.6.1.html Slavery was abolished in all Federal territories on June 19, 1862. That date, commonly referred to as "June-teenth", is celebrated as the beginning of the destr

[Marxism-Thaxis] Maureen Taylor, Detroit's grassroots City Council candidate: real world stuff

2005-06-07 Thread Waistline2
An interview with Maureen Taylor, Detroit's grassroots City Council candidate http://www.lrna.org/league/PT/PT.2005.6/PT.2005.6.4.html By People's Tribune Staff Editor's note: The People's Tribune recently interviewed Maureen Taylor, who is a candidate for the Detroit City Council. Excer

[Marxism-Thaxis] a world not tied to oil

2005-06-07 Thread Waistline2
We could have a world not tied to oil http://www.lrna.org/league/PT/PT.2005.6/PT.2005.6.6.html This column is a place for revolutionaries to debate why a cooperative society is a practical solution to the problems people are fighting out. We welcome your thoughts about the articles we are ru

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Charles Brown
Charles Brown Victor victor Of course objectivity reality exists, but we have to realize that what Marx, Lenin and other intelligent Marxists like Ilyenkov meant by objective reality is not reality contemplated by some totally uninvolved philosophical being. Just the reverse is true obj

[Marxism-Thaxis] Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Charles Brown
to Dawkin's projection of the mechanics of >population genetics to the science of culture (memics and all that). CB: Interestingly this "memics" thing reminds of both Levi-Strauss and Marvin Harris who analogized to the idea in phoneme, with the emphasis on "eme", from phonetics and linguist

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Victor
I've inteleaved my comments in the foliage of your commentary. - Original Message - From: "Ralph Dumain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:51 Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! Interleaved comments on further fragments of your po

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Victor
The problem here is simply that I'm not sure of the ground of our discussion. If this is tautological to you, then we share at very least the point of view that science is at root a product of men's response to their needs and not simply a reflection of the universe in consciousness. Oudeyis --

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Victor
My full response is in the prior message. So here I'll just make a couple of short responses (see below). - Original Message - From: "Ralph Dumain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:24 Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! Your reas

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-06-07 Thread Victor
This apparent piece of nonsense of mine is the key issue in a nutshell. It embodies almost all the issues of our discussion, our differences (and I might add our concordances): the determination of rationality, of objectivity and of men's relation to nature and nature's to men. These issues are