But Lenin wrote (in State and Revolution) that the withering away of
the state begins at the very instance when the proletariat (the armed
working class) takes power. The Commune-state is a state of a new
type. The soviet state, alas, though not strangled at birth by the
Wilsons and
CB: Why use the term bourgeois if it wasn't
form of capitalism ?
^^
It ceased to be a degenerated workers state when the
possibility of a democratic opposition to Stalin within the CPSU based on
Trotskyists/Bukharinists expired (1930).
Comment
Sometime around 1976, I purchased
Phil Walden: It was a bourgeois state because it was part of a world system
of bourgeois relations - all states extracting a surplus from their
populations. Thus the Soviet Union could not have been some form of workers
state. But it wasn't capitalist because the surplus extracted in the Soviet
--- On Mon, 2/23/09, Phil Walden
Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 7:26 PM
Phil Walden: It was a bourgeois state because it was part of
a world system
of bourgeois relations - all states extracting a surplus
from their
populations. Thus the Soviet Union could not have been
some form of
Phil Walden: It was a bourgeois state because it was part of a world system
of bourgeois relations - all states extracting a surplus from their
populations. Thus the Soviet Union could not have been some form of workers
state. But it wasn't capitalist because the surplus extracted in the
No.
The withering away of the state is predicated upon a couple of things: the
withering away of the need for massive organized armed bodies of men
domestically and internationally; the destruction of the value relations and
the
resolution of class antagonism.
I was reluctant to
But Lenin wrote (in State and Revolution) that the withering away of
the state begins at the very instance when the proletariat (the armed
working class) takes power. The Commune-state is a state of a new
type. The soviet state, alas, though not strangled at birth by the
Farmelant
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Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?
Well in Russia the state renationalized most
of the energy industry several years ago.
Putin
Total idiocy, delusional nonsense, senseless gibberish, from first
word to last.
At 09:53 PM 2/22/2009, Charles Brown wrote:
I agree that these are the classical
Marxist-Leninist theory, definitions, schema
and order of the process, but
I'm thinking that actuality, actual
history, the concrete
Quantifying history and historical progression, all ways get me in trouble,
yet this stops no one from quantifying history. I believe that the American
state, as we know it is going to change at lightening speed, after a change in
the property relations.
What happens in America is very
Wandering thoughts and notes related to the tread.
From 1928 with Stalin's Industrialization of the Country speech and plan, to
his death in 1953, the polices of forced collectivization, rapid
industrialization and centralized planning through a series of five year plans
held
complete
Socialism means the abolition of classes. The dictatorship of the
proletariat has done all it could to abolish classes. But classes cannot be
abolished
at one stroke.
And classes still remain and will remain in the era of the dictatorship of
the proletariat. The dictatorship will become
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:47:31 -0800 (PST) Charles Brown
cdb1...@prodigy.net writes:
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/02/social-collapse-best-practices.html
Someone named Orlov says in the essay linked above:
When the Soviet system went away, many
people lost their jobs, everyone lost
if we could deepen our debate on
different grounds...
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com wrote:
From: Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com
Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?
To: cdb1...@prodigy.net, marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu
Cc: marxism
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com wrote:
From: Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com
The Socialist Workers Party (USA) has long been insistent
that Russia remains a kind of workers state.
Their formulations
strike me as nutty, but I think that they have stumbled on
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:35:43 -0800 (PST) Charles Brown
cdb1...@prodigy.net writes:
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com wrote:
From: Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com
The Socialist Workers Party (USA) has long been insistent
that Russia remains a kind of
--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Jim Farmelant wrote:
Well in Russia the state renationalized most
of the energy industry several years ago.
Putin, as president, went a long way towards
reestablishing the leading role of the state in
the management of Russia's economy. The
state is a major
Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?
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Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 12:53 AM
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:35:43 -0800 (PST) Charles Brown
cdb1...@prodigy.net writes
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