Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread fkalosar101
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 01:36 PM, Mark Lause wrote: > > IThis after-the-fact explanation that it was cops or right-wingers might > well be correct. But it asks people to follow you into the woods with lots > of tangled underbrush. > > It distracts from the main discussion we want to have. The

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread Louis Proyect
On 8/30/20 2:26 PM, jenorem via groups.io wrote: The Spectre Editorial Board who is responsible for this post includes David McNally and Charles Post. Certainly they're not the 20 somethings that your post is aimed at, right? I would wager that McNally and Post have 'gone through an

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread jenorem via groups.io
The Spectre Editorial Board who is responsible for this post includes David McNally and Charles Post. Certainly they're not the 20 somethings that your post is aimed at, right? I would wager that McNally and Post have 'gone through an experience' or two, don't you think? Are they infantile

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread Ryan via groups.io
This is exactly what we hear from Fox News. What should this misguided 20 somethings do? The electoral strategy is dumb. Mass demonstrations are dumb. Is writing blog posts all that is left to us? —Ryan > On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Mark Lause wrote: > >  > It should be assumed that there

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread Mark Lause
It should be assumed that there are always provocateurs. The organizers have a political responsibility to make sure that anything such provocateurs might do can be used to recast the purpose of the demonstration--to make the people who responded to your call think twice before coming out next

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread Mark Lause
I've had almost exactly the same experience over the early failures locally to even announce and publicize demonstration when they started. This was "too catch the police by surprise." My suggestions went denounced as the efforts of an old middle class white liberal boomer trying to throw cold

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread Louis Proyect
On 8/30/20 8:22 AM, jenorem via groups.io wrote: Here's Spectre Journal's take on the uprisings, including on 'looting': https://spectrejournal.com/theses-on-the-uprising/ Not surprising. I had a bit of a tiff from the unnamed chap who posted a link to this article on Spectre's Twitter

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread jenorem via groups.io
Here's Spectre Journal's take on the uprisings, including on 'looting': https://spectrejournal.com/theses-on-the-uprising/ Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#986):

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-30 Thread Dayne Goodwin
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 2:56 PM Louis Proyect wrote: > I'll be responding to the idea of looting and arson being revolutionary > tomorrow. This bullshit has been around since the Weathermen Days of Rage > and it is just a reflection of the low level of class struggle in the USA, > as well as the

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-29 Thread Louis Proyect
On 8/29/20 4:36 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote: I found the rationale of the writer TOTALLY unconvincing --- every local business is a blood sucking exploiter of the community? --- come on --- that "fact" disappeared in the 1960s!!! I'll be responding to the idea of looting and arson being

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-29 Thread Michael Meeropol
Perfect response to the armchair theorist in favor of "looting" -- >From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about Kenosha: Scott Carpenter is trying to push ahead. He runs the family-owned B Office Furniture at 1101 60th St. After Blake's shooting and the initial protests, he remained hopeful that