On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:16:17 -0500 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
wrote:
Should read:
I think the trees are blinding us to the forest here. The real question
should be where did the good jobs go, why, and and how do we get some
of them back? The most interesting part of this question
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy
Don't forget that US wages adjusted for inflation have been falling
since the 70s. Locally skilled worker wages have been unchanged since
the 80's -- people are making exactly what they were 30 years ago,
which of course means they HAVE to have
This is the main reason why I have sacrificed better compensation for job
security. After getting RIF'ed from nice, well-paying jobs where companies
changed their minds about their management structures on a whim, I found myself
in a low paying but very secure position.
Two months ago I had a
Dan wrote:
Being laid off is the most demeaning, deprecating thing I have ever
experienced in my life.
I have never experienced being laid off until 30 months ago in an
industry that has not gotten out and at an age that shows. Yeah,
demeaning, depreciating, depressing, all and many more.
Not that I love the government anymore than anyone else, but how do you
attribute this to it? I thought it was the investors focus on quarterly
profits, not the long term. The $ is king.
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
the US government outsourced all the jobs
Interesting fact: in both china and India the top 10% of high school students
outnumber ALL high school students in the US.
Make of that what you might.
My take is that if those countries tweak their political, social, legal, and
economic structures a bit to encourage entrepreneurial
--R wrote:
...the US will be s screwed.
Will?
I would guess the momentum *against* the USA is much greater than can
be overcome. Why? - still an interesting conversation. We are not
only obese in body-mass-index, we are obese in expectation and
consumption. Can we lose some
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Thomas
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Interesting fact: in both china and India the top 10% of high school
students outnumber ALL high school students in the US.
Make of that what
school by then (or learn an Asian language).
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Interesting fact
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Richard Hattaway
rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote:
Those days are gone except in small Asian rim countries wait a
minute, who is it that's kicking our ass in education these days.. Us,
who were once at the top are now in the teens.. North Carolina
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
From what I hear the better part of the faculty has decided to give up
tenure.
Dan
I htink that has an untended double meaning.
I doubt it was unintended...
Best,
Tim
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Don't forget that US wages adjusted for inflation have been falling
since the 70s. Locally skilled worker wages have been unchanged since
the 80's -- people are making exactly what they were 30 years ago,
which of course means they HAVE to have everyone in the family working
to have a
On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
You can live pretty well on a single industrial income in America if you are
lucky and get one of the few good jobs left, but the majority of people
simply cannot. Most people cannot survive, let alone retire, on the
i can one up you on this. i am a single dad receiving no child support but
ordered to pay my ex wife 4 figures a month in child support for a child
who lives with me and my ex wife has five times my income. and no one in
the entire state of georgia thinks this even sounds unusual
your move
On
Gary wrote:
your move
I'm done.
I didn't save money - what me worry?
I did 7 times as many kids as you.
But mom taught at home and cooked at home and we rent home. Early
social might provide some $$ but I don't really know, nor do I know if
the Potters in DC want to leave that system alone. I
Don't forget that those services used by that two earner family are
providing more employment for others. They'd be without a job if mom stayed
home and did all that herself.
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Don't forget that all this additional
Frederick
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Don't forget that US wages adjusted for inflation have been falling
since the 70s. Locally skilled worker wages have been unchanged since
the 80's -- people are making
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Ritchey
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Civil Service, Oh Yeah! qa9uqavy
I think the trees are blinding us to the forest here. The real question
should be where did the good jobs, why, and go and how
On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Should read:
I think the trees are blinding us to the forest here. The real question
should be where did the good jobs go?
Overseas. China foremost. India, Vietnam, Korea, Mexico...
why?
Unfavorable work rules in
I blame it on women's lib. Back in my day (50s and early 60s) I benefitted
from many superb women teachers in public schools. I suspect most of them
were there (vs running fortune 500 corporations) because education was the
best avenue open to them as dedicated, educated women. But that's only
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Penoff
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There is nothing cliche about the theories behind teaching methodologies.
I would agree with what you say
Scott wrote:
I blame it on women's lib.
...
...most mothers then were home makers. Now, it seems mothers
need to work but mainly so they can afford to buy crap that isn't really
needed. Folks have been brainwashed to believe they and their kids NEED all
kinds of stuff that didn't even exist
Dan wrote:
I would also add that Contructivism is the flavor of the month for now. This
is the experiential style of learning promoted by Montessori, Piaget and
Dewey.
Yes. That is what I mean by touchy feely.
Data be damned. Data does not drive the education process, rather it
is used
Two folks in the home going to work = higher discretionary income
Higher discretionary income = eventual higher prices ( cars, homes ) as a
function of capitalism
Higher prices = requirement for two incomes
Two income requirement = kids raised in mass storage facilities
Kids raised in mass
absolutely, scott. once women were admitted into higher university
positions, law, highest levels of medicine, etc, it was all over for public
school teaching.
i had a teacher in HS who was the top student in her masters class in
history at columbia university but could not get accepted into a
SWMBA was not impressed with her middle school teacher, so she organized the
children and parents. There was pressure put on the school to remedy the
situation, and the teacher was removed. No idea where that teacher went, but
it was not to either highschool or other location in town.
Then
of the action
(e.g. taxes, inspectors, regulators, etc).
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Two folks
Deming was all about process control -- the theory that if you
calibrate manufacturing equipment and get a really good handle on
what changes in the equipment produce what results, you can adjust
on the fly to keep making high quality, proper sized, etc parts
rather than making a billion parts
Dieselhead wrote:
But the prior post about the 'merkuns didn't want to know.. or something
to that effect is not true. FDR installed Deming to make the 'merkun war
production hum.
Loss of Deming/SPC methods seems evident in the education arena. Correct?
It seems that everything has turned
It's by no means touchy-feely any more. It's all data driven. I see
kindergarten teachers with 3 binders full of data they have collected on
individual students. It's all about the data now.
Dan
On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
But the prior post about
I would also add that Contructivism is the flavor of the month for now. This
is the experiential style of learning promoted by Montessori, Piaget and Dewey.
Just like the stock market, the pendulum will swing in the other direction in
the future and Behaviorism (B.F. Skinner, Itard, etc.) will
my kid's english teacher can barely read. abby has to explain what words
mean to her as she has a very limited vocabulary. this teacher is bad
tempered and loses student's tests, then gives them a zero as a grade when
she can't find a test. the school administration bends over backwards to
cliches just cover for a lack of core competence in many public school
teachers
Cliches and tenure, actually...
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There is nothing cliche about the theories behind teaching methodologies. I
would agree with what you say, but the problem starts at the top - the
administration.
As for Richard's comment about tenure, it no longer exists in our district.
Effective this coming January our teachers go on an
what is the methodology of losing student's tests and then giving them
zeros for those tests and then being supported by the administration? the
words are just bullshit that are spouted to confuse people and maintain
this status quo
i've never seen any methodology at the public school, just
From what I hear the better part of the faculty has decided to give up tenure.
Dan
I htink that has an untended double meaning.
I think Dan meant that most of the the faculty decided to give up
tenure for raises.
The other meaning is exactly as written. The better part of the
faculty, as
Larry T wrote:
I believe the huge salaries spent on administrative staff at schools
would be better spent on the teachers.
A friend of mine who taught from 1962-1994 said get a 1960 budget, and
calculate the percentage spent on teachers. Now get a modern budget and see what
percentage is spent
Gross over-administration is a problem across America. Taught in
business schools, accepted as Gospel everywhere.
Totally pointless, and can cripple an organization, but it's the
norm. The Japanese used to have about 1/15th the number of managers a
similar american business had, for
Peter wrote:
Totally pointless, and can cripple an organization, but it's the norm. The
Japanese used to have about 1/15th the number of managers a similar american
business had, for instance.
Demming was not liked in US so he went to Japan. I guess this means
US still does not like Demming
Deming was all about process control -- the theory that if you
calibrate manufacturing equipment and get a really good handle on what
changes in the equipment produce what results, you can adjust on the
fly to keep making high quality, proper sized, etc parts rather than
making a billion
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