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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
It's called a turbocharger. Been around what, 70 years now?
Peter
On May 19, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:
It's possible but with today's technology, you'd have to tow along
a heat
exchanging system the size
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It's hard for me to imagine that seemingly rational adults would get
taken in by this scam. HHO, 2 molecules of hydrogen and 1 of oxygen,
is H2O - WATER
A good place to start the inquiry is by asking how much of the gasoline
which goes into the cylinders in your car exits unburnt. This arguably
represents the maximum gain you can make by simply improving
combustion.
It is a very small number in modern, fuel injected cars.
If you discount
Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are internal combustion engines energy efficient? Not really. A lot
of energy is released not in the form of kinetic energy but of heat
which must be dissipated by the cooling system. But the 'browns gas
devices do nothing to change that.
So why can't we
, 2008 5:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are internal combustion engines energy efficient? Not really. A lot
of energy is released not in the form of kinetic energy but of heat
which must be dissipated by the cooling system
Well that is what they are working on, as stated the concept has been
around for decades but the problem has been the cost of materials to
build it. Plus what do you think would happen if the manufactures put
more rare metals into a car?
Anyway it is an fascinating technology but I guess the
It's hard for me to imagine that seemingly rational adults would get
taken in by this scam. HHO, 2 molecules of hydrogen and 1 of oxygen,
is H2O - WATER! There is no such thing as Brown's Gas. Their device
is nothing more than a water injection system. Many people in the
automotive
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Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are internal combustion engines energy
Oh, and on aircraft, they used turbocompounding, where the turbo
drove the crankshaft as well (actually, the production engines from
Wright used a suprecharger, but Napier did make the Nomad that did
both -- long story, never installed in production aircraft).
Wright got any extra 1500 hp
Must be more difficult than it sounds...
It is. Thermodynamics. Nasty stuff.
-- Jim
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Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?
No not possible in such a way that it would improve
I've been looking at that and thinking about it for a while. I can't see
it either. On the other hand I can see that it might be possible that a
small amount of Brown's gas (hydrogen and the oxygen that it was split
from) burned in conjunction with gasoline or diesel may possibly improve
the
:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
I've been looking at that and thinking about it for a while. I can't see
it either. On the other hand I can see that it might be possible that a
small amount of Brown's gas (hydrogen and the oxygen that it was split
from
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http://runyourcarwithwater.youbetterreadthis.com/
I immediately became suspicious when J Carter endorsed it --
But some of you are super
the system.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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I've been looking
18, 2008 9:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?
hendrik wrote but catching the snakes and milking them is a tricky
operation
Perhaps you could hire the people who gather (to put a kind spin on
it) Moth Balls. I've always
admired those people who
in WW2. Once the limited amount of water ran
out they were more or less out of the fight.
Manfred
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:11:58 -0500
From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?
And that reminds me of a joke of course: What do you have when you have a
moth ball in one hand and a moth ball in the other hand?
A REALLY big moth -probably ticked off, also
http://runyourcarwithwater.youbetterreadthis.com/
I immediately became suspicious when J Carter endorsed it --
But some of you are super knowledgable about chemistry - tell me if this is
possible --
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
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: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
http://runyourcarwithwater.youbetterreadthis.com/
I immediately became suspicious when J Carter endorsed it --
But some of you are super knowledgable about chemistry - tell me if this is
possible --
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis
Hydrogen is just a gaseous battery, for transferring energy from one
place to another.
There are only two sources -- from methane, with the CO2 dumped when
the hydrogen is extracted, or from electrical power. If this is
solar power, in particular photo-voltaic, well that's not so bad, but
I think you would do better by digging up the plans for the 100 mpg
carburetor that GM (or was it Ford or Shell?) bought from the inventor
in the 50s and hid it away.
--R
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Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:01 PM
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I think you
:
No such animal as this carburetor, check it out on snopes.
Dave H...
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From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
I think you
No not possible in such a way that it would improve your mileage.
Browns gas has been around for a long while but has never been gotten to
work as advertised.
There are heaps of websites that promise much the same thing.
Anyway perhaps I could interest you Diesel people with some high zetane
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