do a google seach of peak oil, you will be shocked.
Peter Frederick wrote:
Hydrogen is only a battery -- storage. There is always some energy
lost during transfers (heat, in fact, usually, although noise is wasted
energy, too). Using the electricity to charge a battery or run a train
would
you must have been watching Boston Legal, the best TV show on right now.
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Stop the gibber jabber!
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:56:57 -0500, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
84
Bingo!
That's 3 outta 8 I can say today
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:09:31 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you must have been watching Boston Legal, the best TV show on right now.
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Stop the gibber jabber!
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:56:57 -0500, Luther
yep, this is just another liberal gimic.
Peter Frederick wrote:
The only way you are going to extract hydrogen from tap water is
electrolysis, and the energy input is gonna be higher than the output
UNLESS you have very dramatic improvements in combustion.
The latter I don't know about, but
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
yep, this is just another liberal gimic.
A gimmick, sure, but not really a liberal one. Actually, the first
time I remember hearing about it was when Bush introduced it as a
replacement for the Clinton-era supercar project, which had focused on
creating
Not specifically liberal, I don't believe, although liberals are
generally running it up more (the general conservative line is that we
need to get more oil, instead). Problem is that we consume fantastic
amounts of energy as burned fossil fuels, and there is currently
nothing to replace
The swedes and icelanders are using geothermal to process their water.
No known CO2 waste stream from that electrolysis. Actually have the
plants next to the H2 pumps. Think it is BP running that. Solar PV
also was mentioned IIRC.
On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Peter Frederick
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 8:38, David Brodbeck wrote:
A gimmick, sure, but not really a liberal one. Actually, the first
time I remember hearing about it was when Bush introduced it as a
replacement for the Clinton-era supercar project, which had focused on
creating high-mileage gasoline
Hydrogen is only a battery -- storage. There is always some energy
lost during transfers (heat, in fact, usually, although noise is wasted
energy, too). Using the electricity to charge a battery or run a train
would probably be at least as efficient.
In the US, we have short supply on
Eating and having a place to sleep
Peter
Stop this poppy cock!
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:40:06 -0500, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not specifically liberal, I don't believe, although liberals are
generally running it up more (the general conservative line is that we
need to get more oil, instead). Problem is that we
Stop the gibber jabber!
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:56:57 -0500, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Stop this poppy cock!
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:40:06 -0500, Peter Frederick
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not specifically liberal, I don't believe, although liberals are
generally running it
Anyone have data showing if these work or are hoxes? I couldn't locate
anything on Snopes or Google. Here's a couple of samples:
http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/index.html
http://www.savefuel.ca/
Basically, they claim to extract hydrogen from plain tap water, then
let your engine suck that in,
Uh, we have a few trucks testing this technology.not as ratty smelling as
you would like. I know nothing more about it.
Luther
~Anyone have data showing if these work or are hoxes? I couldn't locate
~anything on Snopes or Google. Here's a couple of samples:
~
I saw something about some truck companies testing this in Canada, I
think it was only a few percent gains, but if one
drove back and forth across Canada as your weekly plan the pennies
added up.
Oh, and I'm sure I heard President Bush this morning admonishing the
American public to buy
How much water are you going to have to carry to get some boost from
this? And doesn't hydrogen have an atomic number of 1?
Doesn't sound like much energy is there... I've read that if an 18
wheeler was run on hydrogen that 4/5ths of the trailer would have to be
the fuel tank to get
Doesn't sound like much energy is there... I've read that if an 18
wheeler was run on hydrogen that 4/5ths of the trailer would have to
be the fuel tank to get comparable energy. Even after serious
compression!
If you are generating H2 O2 from electrolysis of water powered by
an
The only way you are going to extract hydrogen from tap water is
electrolysis, and the energy input is gonna be higher than the output
UNLESS you have very dramatic improvements in combustion.
The latter I don't know about, but the hydrogen economy is a load of
bunk. All commercial hydrogen
you have to MAKE the hydrogen from somewhere -- it is never
free in nature.
Yep, the hydrogen economy is just a fancy term for
potentially explosive storage medium. It's all about storing
and transporting electricity, not a power source. Unfortunately,
the congresscritters (and the sheeple
Mitch Haley wrote:
you have to MAKE the hydrogen from somewhere -- it is never
free in nature.
Yep, the hydrogen economy is just a fancy term for
potentially explosive storage medium. It's all about storing
and transporting electricity, not a power source. Unfortunately,
the
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Subject: [MBZ] Hydrogen boost gimmicks?
Anyone have data showing if these work or are hoxes? I couldn't locate
anything on Snopes or Google. Here's a couple of samples:
http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/index.html
http://www.savefuel.ca/
Basically, they claim to extract hydrogen from plain tap
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