- local solutions are much better at dealing with problems
and finding solutions.
LarryT
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From: Allan Streib
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 4:00 PM
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I'd not argue that we need to let children starve
, in
the same way public schools do, or should anyway.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:30:41 -0700
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
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more specifics on the $80 billion, I'm not gonna take that on
face.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:04:02 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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do see where much of that contributes to the common good,
in the same way public schools do, or should anyway.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:30:41 -0700
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
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Curt Raymond wrote:
Does Social Engineering include museums, aquariums and the like? I'm fairly
libertarian but I do see where much of that contributes to the common good, in the same
way public schools do, or should anyway.
I think he was talking about using the tax codes for social
weeks, you explain why they
need to go become a drug whore.
Of course it'd never work but its an interesting dream.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:04:58 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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I'd not argue that we need to let children starve in order to fix our financial
problems. I'd argue this is better handled at the state a and local levels,
but anyway AFDC is not a big part of the problem.
These appeal-to-sympathy straw man arguments are part of the reason we are in
such a
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Curt Raymond wrote:
Does Social Engineering include museums
voting AGAINST incumbents.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:00:49 -0500
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Regardless of what justification you make, I object to taxation for social
engineering.
For example, Government
: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
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I'll take that challenge, TYVM.. Let's compare
the airport while costing about the same as the flight
but being more comfortable and including wi-fi.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:42:47 -0700
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
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Curt Raymond wrote:
I'd argue that we're in a jam because our idiot legislators (of all political stripes)
have decided that compromise means You give up and give me what I want
I thought political compromise meant I'll vote for your garbage bill if you'll
vote for mine, or If you hold the
Bottom line: We are in a mess, we have relied on criminal idiots to
represent us citizens for past 15 decades, and they have failed everyone
except themselves.
Can it be fixed? Yes, but not without expending blood and treasure which
few are willing to spend.
Best guess: What every happens,
A friend of mine asked me about http://www.energyvictory.net/ and what I
thought of it.
Since I'm not an expert on the subject and since there has been
discussion on this list of related subjects which I don't remember
clearly, I bring the question to you.
The fellow's position is that by having
The problem with all biofuels is that we burn more than it's possible
to make ever year, even if we don't use crops like corn for food.
Not only that, but there has always been evidence that traditional
biofuels like ethanol consume more BTU to produce than they contain,
especially when
: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
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The problem with all biofuels is that we
.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:21:21 -0600
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G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes:
Example: Local city just put in a light rail system, about 40 miles,
which cost the taxpayers 80 BILLION dollars. Every street that has light
rail closed businesses since they could not exist for 2 yrs while it was
being built and traffic was closed. Now the
In Texas it was measured in beers.
--R
On 1/1/12 8:30 PM, G Mann wrote:
In case you have not noticed.. America is a huge county with distance
measured in hours from point to point, not miles.
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For new and used parts go to
The numbers given are 80 BILLION... not MILLION... vast majority of that is
Federal money.
This project was literally carved through the largest city in Arizona and
required the purchase [through imminent domain, at a fair market value at
the peak of real estate boom] easement and miles of homes
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