Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-29 Thread Scott Ritchey
objective; nation building is not. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall Viet Nam and Afghanistan share some some

[MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread WILTON
On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly remember. THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War as this nation's greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Thanks Wilton! -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 12:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - The Wall On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread Randy Bennell
That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about WWII by Rick Atkinson. The first (An Army at Dawn) is about North Africa, the second about Italy (The Day of Battle) and the third (The Guns at Last Light) about

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread WILTON
@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about WWII by Rick Atkinson. The first (An Army at Dawn) is about North Africa, the second

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread WILTON
- From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread Randy Bennell
: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we never seem to learn from past mistakes. I am in the process of reading a trilogy of books about WWII by Rick Atkinson. The first (An Army at Dawn) is about North Africa, the second about Italy (The Day of Battle) and the third (The Guns

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread Peter Frederick
Viet Nam and Afghanistan share some some characteristics that should make a thinking person hesitate to bite on them -- both of them have broken many armies and many plans, and have never stayed occupied for very long. Viet Nam was where the Chinese empire stopped, several times, and both

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread G Mann
on lies and 'cause Saddam had tried to kill Boy Bush's Daddy. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall That was nice Wilton. Sadly, we

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread Rick Knoble
. From: WILTONSent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:37 PMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListReply To: Mercedes Discussion ListSubject: [MBZ] OT - The Wall On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly remember. THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread Mountain Man
Peter wrote: Viet Nam was where the Chinese empire stopped, several times, and both the Brits and the Russians broke their teeth attempting to swallow Afghanistan. Nice!! Those seem the best places to live, perhaps. Nobody is able or willing to conquer the people and land, and the land and

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Well put, yes Vietnam was lost after WW1 when greedy big nations did not want to let go of their stuff. This is particularly disappointing insofar that France and the US are both big champions of self rule and democracy. Even after WW2 when France had a taste of what it is like to be occupied.

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread WILTON
Post with attribution; no address. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall Permission requested to repost this on FB, with no attribution. You will remain anonymous

Re: [MBZ] OT - The Wall

2014-05-26 Thread Scott Ritchey
: Monday, May 26, 2014 3:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - The Wall On this day of remembrance, the following is submitted to help us more clearly remember. THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery

[MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread OK Don
We are considering options for heating/cooling at least part of our 700 sq. ft. guest house. It's now heated by an open flame propane heater, and cooled by a small window unit A/C. The current units are in/on the west side, the living/dining area. They don't do a good job of heating/cooling the

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: We are considering options for heating/cooling at least part of our 700 sq. ft. guest house. It's now heated by an open flame propane heater, and cooled by a small window unit A/C. The current units are in/on the west side, the living/dining area. They don't do a good job of

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread WILTON
Through-the-wall heat pump with electric backup/emer heat. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:43 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps We are considering options

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread Rich Thomas
I agree with Mitch. I put in a 4-unit mini-split heat pump/AC system in my addition, my HVAC guy is supposed to be coming sometime this week to get the lines connected and leak tested, and when I get the new power line run I can power it up. Mine is a 36k BTU outdoor unit with 2-9k and 2-12k

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread G Mann
Cooled air is heavy, so AC unit should be mounted as high as possible. High discharge of cold air will disperse across the area and displace warm air as it falls to the floor. The warm air will be vented by the return air for the AC unit. Your system effective cooling will be more satisfactory.

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread Jim Cathey
Cooled air is heavy, so AC unit should be mounted as high as possible. But if it also heats then the opposite is true. I suggest a ceiling fan, which will take care of wrong-sex air. A low-mount wall pump would be more aesthetic, heat would be good as-is, and a ceiling fan, even on its own,

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: I ran a calculation on the new addition (required to get my permits) that came up with an 18k load on the hottest/coldest day If your manual J calc (a conservative calculation) came up with 18k, why did you install 36k? Seems like an outside unit that can put out 18-24k at

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread Rich Thomas
I like to have some margin. Plus the way these things are set up for 4 head units you can get a smaller outdoor unit. And the space is such that I think having the 2 big units for the loft (which is open to the kitchen below) and the kitchen, where I am going to put a big cooktop in, ovens

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread Rich Thomas
CAN'T --R On 6/30/13 3:25 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I like to have some margin. Plus the way these things are set up for 4 head units you can get a smaller outdoor unit. And the space is such that I think having the 2 big units for the loft (which is open to the kitchen below) and the

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread OK Don
Yes - a ceiling fan is part of the equation - mixes all that air together and provides surface cooling on the skin. Lowes has a cheap window AC/Heat pump/elect. strip heat unit for $435 now that is big enough - might try it.

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread Michael Canfield
Did you mean to say heat pump? Looks like a window AC with a built in cheap electric heater to me. Or is that what you want? Mike On Jun 30, 2013 6:44 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes - a ceiling fan is part of the equation - mixes all that air together and provides surface cooling on

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Michael Canfield wrote: Did you mean to say heat pump? Looks like a window AC with a built in cheap electric heater to me. Or is that what you want? It does look that way, doesn't it? If it is just an A/C with strip heater, I'd much rather have this:

Re: [MBZ] OT - window/wall heat pumps

2013-06-30 Thread OK Don
It states on the box (which you can't see on the web site) that it's a heat pump, and on the FAQs there are a couple of answers stating that it both reverses as a heat pump, and has a 3500W strip for below freezing temps. On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Michael Canfield