Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2017-10-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > This is the $800 240D? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2017-10-29 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2017-10-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It’s been sitting for a week cold. Just finished the adjustment. Took me a couple of valves to get back in the groove of it. It’s probably been 10 years since I have done a valve adjustment on one of these. I looked at chain stretch and it is right on the mark at tdc, so no chain stretch. Cams

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2017-10-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Kaleb wrote: > So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust > specs supposed to be? 0.1 mm intake, 0.35 mm exhaust or 0.004 inch intake, 0.014 inch exhaust. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2017-10-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Kaleb wrote: > So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust > specs supposed to be? Also I am trying to remember if it’s best > to do it on a warm or cold engine. I seem to recall I have > always done it cold. Cold. Like "sit all night" cold.

[MBZ] Valve adjustment

2017-10-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust specs supposed to be? Also I am trying to remember if it’s best to do it on a warm or cold engine. I seem to recall I have always done it cold. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment on 240d

2015-11-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
90 minues labor iirc. Around $150 these days, + parts. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Bob via Mercedes wrote: > I just adjusted my valves before the cold air moves in for the season. 1983 > 240D needed it bad,its been 30 K since I did last. It took me 3 hrs > taking

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment on 240d

2015-11-19 Thread Bob via Mercedes
I just adjusted my valves before the cold air moves in for the season. 1983 240D needed it bad,its been 30 K since I did last. It took me 3 hrs taking my time & cleaning parts as I go along. Got MB rubber gasket for $12 from stealership. Question is : what is the going cost for this job by

[MBZ] valve adjustment, OM617

2008-11-22 Thread Allan Streib
Sorry folks I know I have asked, and had answered, this question before, but I can't recall what the intake and exhaust clearances are for the OM617. I'm going to adjust mine this weekend if possible, the falling temperatures have not brought any starting difficulty, but I have been negligent

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment, OM617

2008-11-22 Thread Hans Neureiter
Cold engine 0.10 mm intake (temps below -20 C 0,05 mm), 0.35 mm exhaust On 11/22/08, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry folks I know I have asked, and had answered, this question before, but I can't recall what the intake and exhaust clearances are for the OM617. I'm going to

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves

2008-02-08 Thread archer
- Original Message - From: Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: [MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves Yes, I use latex gloves for this type of MB repair as the black Delvac 1300S would otherwise probably

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves

2008-02-07 Thread Kevin Kraly
That's just how I did it. I would leave a little extra clearance knowing that it would get tighter as the locknut was torqued down. This is why the last few went MUCH more quickly for me. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-06 Thread archer
That's a good idea. A big box of gloves are fairly cheap at Walgreens. Gerry --- - Original Message - From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] My indies, Gary and son, Todd... first time I took the car into their shop, Todd snaps on these rectal exam

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-06 Thread Mitch Haley
archer wrote: That's a good idea. A big box of gloves are fairly cheap at Walgreens. Yeah, I buy them $6 a hundred at Harbor Freight, and the last 80 die in the box of old age 3-5 years after I buy them. Gotta use them more. Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-06 Thread Rich Thomas
You should use the nitrile gloves -- latex doesn't really hold up very well, and the nitrile blocks off a lot of nasty stuff. --R Mitch Haley wrote: archer wrote: That's a good idea. A big box of gloves are fairly cheap at Walgreens. Yeah, I buy them $6 a hundred at Harbor

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:06:46 -0800 From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I like the latex glove

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-06 Thread LarryT
PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment My indies, Gary and son, Todd... first time I took the car into their shop, Todd snaps on these rectal exam gloves and said, What seems to be the problem? It's a running joke now... but they do perform repairs with those latex gloves to keep their hands

[MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves

2008-02-06 Thread Glenn Brown
Yes, I use latex gloves for this type of MB repair as the black Delvac 1300S would otherwise probably be present for some time. If there's a trick to valve adjustment on our diesels, I found that setting things just a little loose and then tightening down the locknuts with the special wrenches

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves

2008-02-06 Thread Loren Faeth
yep, there is an art to setting them so that the gap is right after the lock nut is tightened down. After I set them, I always spin the cam around one more time, rechecking each valve as the cam turns. When I can get all the way around without having to reset any, then I figure I am done.

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 6, 2008 6:11 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Latex gloves are thin and weak you want nitrile gloves. They're blue, much thicker and resist most chemicals. I've got some I bought a Home Depot a year ago that are still in remarkably good shape for being worn 4-6 times. Last

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-06 Thread E M
So you're the guy making a mess of all the walls and mailboxes in my area?? Ed 300E On 06/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wear them until they tear, and then save them to wear on one hand when using rattle cans of spray paint, to avoid the telltale backsplash onto the

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-05 Thread E M
oh stop complaining, I did an oil change 2 weeks ago with a foot of snow on the ground, and I did it from the bottom.. I'm still picking the road salt out of my ears. hee hee. Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spent all afternoon doing a valve adjustment on my '84

[MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-05 Thread Glenn Brown
I spent all afternoon doing a valve adjustment on my '84 300D, thank goodness it was 72F and I could work with the garage door open. 1st time I've done this by myself, what a bear . . . G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-05 Thread Kevin Kraly
1st time I've done this by myself, what a bear I call it bonding. It did take me the better part of an afternoon to do my first valve adjustment on my 1981 300CD. It's a job done totally by feel other than setting up the feeler gauges. I bought two sets of them, one for intakes and one for

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-05 Thread E M
Yeah, there's nothing like the feeling of knowing you did a job well, yourself. :-) Ed 300E On 05/02/2008, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1st time I've done this by myself, what a bear I call it bonding. It did take me the better part of an afternoon to do my first valve adjustment

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-05 Thread Timothy Robinson
So now you're good at it, Glenn, you gonna hep me? LOL From: Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:33:58 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Valve adjustment I spent all afternoon doing a valve adjustment

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-05 Thread Timothy Robinson
] Valve adjustment 1st time I've done this by myself, what a bear I call it bonding. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-05 Thread Kevin Kraly
I like the latex glove idea since I have a few pairs lying around the house. That last valve adjustment got my hands quite greasy (wouldnt be surprised if there was still some under my fingernails two years later :D)! I haven't gotten around to doing the job on the '83 'SD, and my wrenches are

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2008-02-05 Thread Timothy Robinson
tested on animals, just humans... but no complaint in my thirty years of makin' it. From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:06:46 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-31 Thread John Berryman
On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote: $75.00 for a 3 piece set of Genuine MB wrenches. Grab 'em up boys Its about the same price of 1 hour labor. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-31 Thread Gary Hurst
too cheap. way too cheap On 3/30/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote: $75.00 for a 3 piece set of Genuine MB wrenches. Grab 'em up boys Its about the same price of 1 hour labor. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread Gary Hurst
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of hue wong Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches? So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box , valve adjustment, wrenches were

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread Loren Faeth
I never used the official wrenches. I have never even seen them, other than in pictures. I have always used just plain open end (combination) 14mm wrenches. You need one that is thin. Lately I have been using a cheap combination wrench that has been ground to make the jaws thinner, for

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread OK Don
What he said! My experience, almost exactly. On 3/29/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never used the official wrenches. I have never even seen them, other than in pictures. I have always used just plain open end (combination) 14mm wrenches. You need one that is thin. Lately I

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread B Dike
The bent wrenches are totally unnecessary. Valve adjustments are easy to do with standard open end wrenches, just use a good light so you can see exactly where to place them. The only thing you might consider is file or grind one down to make it a tad thinner to grab the lower nut.

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches

2006-03-30 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:37:23 -0800 Dennis Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is it's better to have them on the loose side if your having problems getting it just right vs. tight. Is this right? Yes. Craig

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread Levi Smith
Is the idea that being bent they'll clear the injector lines and therefore allow more movement? Levi B Dike wrote: The bent wrenches are totally unnecessary. Valve adjustments are easy to do with standard open end wrenches, just use a good light so you can see exactly where to place

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread John Berryman
On Mar 30, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Levi Smith wrote: Is the idea that being bent they'll clear the injector lines and therefore allow more movement? Levi Yes, clearance is the reason they are shaped like that. I use the Hazet set, made specifically for the purpose. They cost somewhere in the

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread Potter, Tom E
A few days ago, some chap on the list offered his for $40. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hue wong Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches? So I just looked on ebay

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Thats the funniest thing i have heard in a while. B Dike wrote: The bent wrenches are totally unnecessary. Valve adjustments are easy to do with standard open end wrenches, just use a good light so you can see exactly where to place them. The only thing you might consider is file or

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches

2006-03-30 Thread Marshall Booth
Dennis Perkins wrote: My understanding is it's better to have them on the loose side if your having problems getting it just right vs. tight. Is this right? There is a little additional noise, little consequence in performance and none to starting when the valves are a little loose. When

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread Rusty Cullens
$75.00 for a 3 piece set of Genuine MB wrenches. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches? we used to sell those just

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-30 Thread andrew strasfogel
:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches? we used to sell those just about every day. last i remember they were $85 for the set of 3, but not sure what they cost now On 3/29/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.samstagsales.com

[MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-29 Thread hue wong
So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box , valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00... Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high... I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so does anyone know of a better deal out there? Thanks in advance!

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-29 Thread Jim Cathey
I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so does anyone know of a better deal out there? You could. A propane torch, a bottle of MAPP gas, and a pair of pliers (or two) is about all you need. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-29 Thread R A Bennell
Should be able to heat with a basic propane torch and bend with a basic bench vice. Not rocket science. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of hue wong Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] valve

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

2006-03-29 Thread R A Bennell
http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm#diesel About $100 for 2 of the bent wrench and one of the other. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of hue wong Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] valve

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-19 Thread redghost
Well that is what I am going to do with that nasty 606 from now on. Might give Gump a ream, just for grins when her GP change around 300k. On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 07:12 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: redghost wrote: Reamer is very important. The carbon builds up and can interfere with the

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-18 Thread David Brodbeck
Tom offered: Valve adjustment is an art as much as a science. Remember, you use feeler gauges. You have to learn the proper feel of the gauge at the correct adjustment. That said; the only way to learn is to do it several times. I suggest you get someone who has done it before to guide you

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-18 Thread David Brodbeck
OK Don wrote: The feel part of using a feeler gauge is to have some resistance when pulling the gauge through the gap, but not so much that it's changing the gap -- no resistance means that the gap is too wide. One thing I've found helpful, when I'm in doubt, is to do a go/no-go test. Try a

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-18 Thread redghost
Reamer is very important. The carbon builds up and can interfere with the GP doing its job. The plug will cook and short out much sooner if the crud is not removed at each change of GP. Paid $600 to have all the crud removed in the e300d because the last guy to install GP #5 did not, and

[MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Levi Smith
OK, so I haven't yet decided on whether I'm going to attempt the valve adjustment on my 83' 300D myself or hope I can find someone who knows what they're doing. If I decide to go that route, it sounds further complicated since from what I recall the engine is supposed to be cold as in let to

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Luther Gulseth
I've only owned my MB for 2 years now, but I've done at least 5 valve adjust, and it's a fairly straight forward job. For the order, do the valves first and then diesel purge and change your filters. The main spinon filter has a suggested interval of 15kmi, so it can be changed the same time

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey
the references. Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve adjustment tools? Or wouldn't I really need them? Supposedly it can be done without, but it's rather painful. I made my own out of long 14mm wrenches from the pawnshop and a torch. Don't start with flimsy ones as the bends you

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey
Who learned valve adjustment on a 1939 Chevrolet Coupe. 60 Falcon for me. As I recall, several times I did it while the engine was idling. I don't really recommend this method! (On that pushrod engine it was neither dangerous nor very messy, but it's not very easy and is kind of hard on the

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Potter, Tom E
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc. Who learned valve adjustment on a 1939 Chevrolet Coupe. 60 Falcon for me

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Potter, Tom E
] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc. the references. Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve adjustment tools? Or wouldn't I really need them? Supposedly

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Bob Rentfro
Tom offered: Valve adjustment is an art as much as a science. Remember, you use feeler gauges. You have to learn the proper feel of the gauge at the correct adjustment. That said; the only way to learn is to do it several times. I suggest you get someone who has done it before to guide you

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Rich Thomas
On the wrenches, the other writer was correct. Get some cheap open-end wrenches (14 or 15mm? I think), put the open end in a vise, heat it with a torch about 1 inch above the working part, bend it 45 deg, then heat it again about 2 in beyond that and bend it back the other way so it is

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Rich Thomas
establish a more solid relationship. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Sunil Hari
Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc. the references. Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve adjustment tools? Or wouldn't I really need them? Supposedly it can be done without, but it's rather painful. I made my own out

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread OK Don
'51 VW 1100cc engine for me -- cold and stopped. The only valves I've adjusted while the engine was running were new hydraulic tappets on a Chevy or Ford - can't remember which - you turned till they stopped rattling. On 3/17/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who learned valve adjustment

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread OK Don
I've never bothered to get and bend a set of wrenches - I just use straight ones. Probably takes longer to mess around and get things lined up so you can use them, but it can be done. The feel part of using a feeler gauge is to have some resistance when pulling the gauge through the gap, but not

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Levi Smith
OK, so how would one know when one needs to use a reamer? OK Don wrote: I don't remember what the dowel size was, and I only needed to use it once, on one glow plug. It was what I found lying around the fit. Most of the time you don't need it. On 3/17/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Marshall Booth
Levi Smith wrote: OK, so how would one know when one needs to use a reamer? If the old plug was stubborn about coming out (you had to wiggle it) then a reamer would be desirable. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

2006-03-17 Thread Tom Scordato
] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc. OK, so I haven't yet decided on whether I'm going to attempt the valve adjustment on my 83' 300D myself or hope I can find someone who knows what they're doing. If I decide to go that route, it sounds further complicated since from what

[MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

2005-11-12 Thread Hans Neureiter
Since the valve adjustment job is fairly easy but a PITA, why not adust the valves a bit looser than specs, i.e. .005/.015 instead of .003/.013. This would throw the timing off a hair, open a little later and close a bit sooner. But will it be significant enough to notice? The benefit being longer

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

2005-11-12 Thread Peter Frederick
Hans: If you use good oil (synthetic is best) you will find that you don't need to do much adjustment. Set to specs, the difference in performance can be noticeable. Peter

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

2005-11-12 Thread Marshall Booth
Hans Neureiter wrote: Since the valve adjustment job is fairly easy but a PITA, why not adust the valves a bit looser than specs, i.e. .005/.015 instead of .003/.013. This would throw the timing off a hair, open a little later and close a bit sooner. But will it be significant enough to notice?

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

2005-11-12 Thread OK Don
Reduced cam follower wear? Only reason I can think of -- It's been reported (rather frequently) that the use of Mobil synthetics will reduce the need for valve adjustment (but I don't know why that might be). I KNOW it reduces timing chain wear (I've measured that) by about half and I

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

2005-11-12 Thread Peter Frederick
Three things, really, I would guess -- reduced wear on cam follower and adjuster nut (also reduced wear on the cam lobe, but that won't affect clearance), reduced wear on guides (and hence better seating and reduced wear on seat), and less ash in the combustion chamber since there is less

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

2005-11-12 Thread Marshall Booth
OK Don wrote: Reduced cam follower wear? Only reason I can think of -- It's been reported (rather frequently) that the use of Mobil synthetics will reduce the need for valve adjustment (but I don't know why that might be). I KNOW it reduces timing chain wear (I've measured that) by about half

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-09 Thread OK Don
Then again, I have a blow torch, but am too lazy to look for two cheap wrenchs to bend, so I jsut use the straight ones I already have. Yes - you have to monkey around a few minutes to findthe correct approach for a few of the valves, but it can be done on 615, 616, and 617 engines without the

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-08 Thread Rich Thomas
I got some cheap wrenches at Harbor Freight and heated then bent them at 2x45deg, one bend maybe an inch from the business end and another about an inch or so above that. Whatever made them look like the expensive German ones that cost about 50x more. They worked fine. --R Hans Neureiter

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-08 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Hans, I have those expensive German ones Had a moment of monetary imprudence Want me to take some pix.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix, AZ 1980 300SD... On Oct 7, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I got some cheap wrenches at Harbor Freight and heated then bent

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-08 Thread John M McIntosh
Tools, mmm I'm sure I've bookmark somewhere http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm On 7-Oct-05, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote: Hans, I have those expensive German ones Had a moment of monetary imprudence Want me to take some pix.. Take care, Chuck

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-08 Thread Sunil Hari
bought a set on ebay for $40. Course, i don't have a blowtorch to heat up my own wrenches, so I think I got a good deal. On 10/7/05, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tools, mmm I'm sure I've bookmark somewhere http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm On 7-Oct-05, at 4:30 PM,

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-08 Thread G.E.
2 14mm wrenches @ .99 : 1.98 blowtorch: 8-10 bucks propane bottle: 4 bucks wrenches for 15 dollars and you still have a blowtorch. how can you make creme brulee without one? isildur, who bent his own wrenches and thinks no kitchen is complete without a blowtorch. On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Sunil

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-08 Thread redghost
Have the torch and fuel, but am an idiot Take the two wrenches I picked up at the BB auto parts bin for $0.99 to visit my BiL Ask him to fab, since he does welding and has a good shop After he makes them, he takes me through how to adjust valves, since he is Uncle Sam trained Mechanic

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-08 Thread Rich Thomas
I will tell you how to do it. I like Lagavulin --R redghost wrote: Have the torch and fuel, but am an idiot Take the two wrenches I picked up at the BB auto parts bin for $0.99 to visit my BiL Ask him to fab, since he does welding and has a good shop After he makes them, he takes me

[MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

2005-10-07 Thread Hans Neureiter
I am working on making valve adjustment wrenches for my 617.951 engine and like to know the correct dimensions. Thanks angle I ? / _ / I / Height ? ===/ I 14mm Combi wrench -L?- -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D