John Freer wrote:
On the VMI for my 92 W140, there is the following entry which takes
this particular MB way out of the original warranty time/mileage. I
always wondered about this.
Wiring Harness $2,800.00 90K May-01
Mercedes often extended the warranty to ORIGINAL
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From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:50 PM
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John Freer wrote:
On the VMI for my 92 W140, there is the following entry which takes
this particular MB way out of the original warranty time/mileage. I
always wondered about this.
Didn't Rick have an aftermarket warranty on that car, with coverage
beyond 100k miles?
Tom
Yes, but it wasn't with MB. It was one of those insurance type deals
underwritten by
First Extended Service Corporation. The VMI only shows work done under
the MB warranty or recalls.
On 6/8/07, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Freer wrote:
On the VMI for my 92 W140, there is the
It didn't seem to be a problem anywhere else, only on wiring under
the hood.
I believe it was the heat of the engine compartment that triggered the
self-destruction. Probably the insulation was designed to degrade in
the sunlight (UV light)
Consider how accelerated life testing is conducted:
self-destruction. Probably the insulation was designed to degrade in
the sunlight (UV light) like trash bags are now,
I'm glad they did this, those piles of automotive wiring harnesses
strewn along the roadsides were getting pretty bad. The copper
takes on a pretty verdigris and blends in
One other point that was of interest to me. An MB salesperson in
Houston told me that MB had always tested for high heat in CA in
places such as Death Valley, etc. While temps can run upwards of 115
degrees, it is a dry heat with very little humidity.
He said that he began seeing test mules
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From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:50 PM
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I had to replace
Which is why my (current) cut-off year is '93. I don't plan to even
look at anything more recent than that. It's time to start stocking up
on these cars for the future ---
BUT when it comes to corporate responsibility and dedication to their
customers, MB let the shit roll downhill and their
John Freer wrote:
One other point that was of interest to me. An MB salesperson in
Houston told me that MB had always tested for high heat in CA in
places such as Death Valley, etc. While temps can run upwards of 115
degrees, it is a dry heat with very little humidity.
He said that he began
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Let us just hope that they did a good job of it. I had a Chevy tranny
rebuilt to the tune of $1200 (incl r r) and
it didn't last 50K miles before it needed it again. I don't mind paying good
money for something
A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let us just hope that they did a good job of it. I had a Chevy tranny
rebuilt to the tune of $1200 (incl r r
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Am I being unreasonable? Shouldn't the transmission on a $50,000
car (new price) last for 300K or 500K without being opened for work?
And of course, the W140s cost twice that much when new - and they
have things like wiring harnesses that self-destruct?
miles. Afterall, wire is not something that *wears out*. How many of
us
have wiring in our house that 30,50 or 80 years old? Except for a poor
choice of materials at some times, it lasts and lasts.
Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that
lasted and lasted, but somebody
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted
and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness.
Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization.
Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who
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From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:55 AM
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LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Am I being unreasonable? Shouldn't
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From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Let us just hope that they did a good job of it. I had a Chevy tranny
rebuilt to the tune
if an improvement
cannot be measured then it cannot be an improvement.
That is in direct conflict with the founders and foundations of
TQ. Dr. Deming said, Some things are unknown and unknowable. This
means that some things should be done, even though they can't be
measured.
On 6/8/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Wilton's position in life, the peace of mind
of rebuilding the trans outweighs the cost. The good news is that he
sees a noticeable improvement. Lets hope the 350SDL serves him as
well as he has served us.
Hear, hear!
Alex Chamberlain
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You wrote:I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get
what I pay for.
Couldn't agree more. You know, ATs have been built in the same basic
configuration for something like 60-75 years. I
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if an improvement
cannot be measured then it cannot be an improvement.
That is in direct conflict with the founders and foundations of
TQ. Dr. Deming said, Some things
Blaming eco-nazi's is just a cop-out.
I still blame Damlier-(whatever) for the self destructing wiring.
With their large engineering staff, someone at MBZ had to know the
characteristics of the selected wiring. And MBZ decided that they did not
care, or maybe they realized the oportunity to
AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted
and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness.
Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization
This sounds like another one of those urban myths - and I also object ot the
trivialization of the term nazi and all the heinous acts they committed.
Government regulators are NOT nazis in ANY sense of the word.
If your allegation were true, than why don't ALL wiring harnesses degrade
rather
Somebody here probably knows RWD Volvos better than I, but I believe
that early-'90s 240s have the same problem, so it's not just Mercedes.
On 6/8/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This sounds like another one of those urban myths - and I also object ot the
trivialization of the
Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Somebody here probably knows RWD Volvos better than I, but I believe
that early-'90s 240s have the same problem, so it's not just Mercedes.
On 6/8/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This sounds like another one of those
Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It didn't seem to be a problem anywhere else, only on wiring under
the hood.
I believe it was the heat of the engine compartment that triggered the
self-destruction. Probably the insulation was designed to degrade in
the sunlight (UV light) like trash
andrew strasfogel wrote:
This sounds like another one of those urban myths...
SNIP
If your allegation were true, than why don't ALL wiring harnesses degrade
rather than jsut some Mercedes models??
Not a myth at all.
The biodegradable wiring harnesses were required on all NEW (redesigned)
Marshall,
Welcome back.
Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring?
Thanks,
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles
Wickford, RI
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The biodegradable wiring harnesses were required on all NEW (redesigned)
I had to replace the engine and glow plug harness on my 94 S350 (W140
diesel). The failure is not subtle. The insulation first cracks and then
flakes away leaving exposed copper.
While the German Government may have mandated the use of unproven
technology, it did not prevent Mercedes from
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Marshall,
Welcome back.
Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring?
The late '94 and all '95 124 E300Ds (with OM606 engines) and the 140
diesels had defective wiring harnesses.
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of
dave walton wrote:
I had to replace the engine and glow plug harness on my 94 S350 (W140
diesel). The failure is not subtle. The insulation first cracks and then
flakes away leaving exposed copper.
While the German Government may have mandated the use of unproven
technology, it did not prevent
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Marshall,
Welcome back.
Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring?
The late '94 and all '95 124 E300Ds (with OM606 engines) and the 140
diesels had defective wiring
On the VMI for my 92 W140, there is the following entry which takes
this particular MB way out of the original warranty time/mileage. I
always wondered about this.
Wiring Harness $2,800.00 90K May-01
John Freer
On 6/8/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dave
Let us just hope that they did a good job of it. I had a Chevy tranny rebuilt
to the tune of $1200 (incl r r) and
it didn't last 50K miles before it needed it again. I don't mind paying good
money for something so long as I get
what I pay for. If you get someone who knows what they are doing
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