Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
That's because most, if not all if their electricity is produced by hydro. Dan On Jun 4, 2012, at 2:18 PM, "Gerry Archer" wrote: > > Friend who lived in Bellingham said electricity out there was dirt cheap. > Seems like rechargeable hybrids could be a wise choice in cars in that area. > Gerry

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2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Archer
Friend who lived in Bellingham said electricity out there was dirt cheap. Seems like rechargeable hybrids could be a wise choice in cars in that area. Gerry All that Alaska crude is not headed to the west coast, but to Asia. What does make it to PNW becomes the most expensive fuel in the low

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2012-06-04 Thread clay monroe
All that Alaska crude is not headed to the west coast, but to Asia. What does make it to PNW becomes the most expensive fuel in the lower 48. Only Alaska and Hawaii have more expensive fuel. The stuff that hits our refinery is loaded back on the boat and goes right up to AK. Where it came fr

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2012-06-03 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
We'll have nothing to show them. China will drain the worlds resources including our own. We are the fools. We fight wars killing our own children and innocent civilians in the "enemy" country for oil then sell what we produce to China. That is the most ass backward thing I've ever heard. Sent

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2012-06-03 Thread Rich Thomas
Only after we use everybody else's oil. Then we'll show them! --R On 6/3/12 11:12 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: The government imposes plenty of restrictions on our rights for the greater good of the country. Any oil that is drilled on US territory should remain here in my opinion.

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2012-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Theres a big difference between "we need this land to build a road" and "we'll steal your land to give to private business" like they're trying to do for the Keystone XL project. I'm somewhat in favor of the former and completely against the latter. Google search keywords:

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2012-06-03 Thread Curt Raymond
ate: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Message-ID: <1338736645.54894.yext-apple-iph...@web125101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree. But neither is eminent domain

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2012-06-03 Thread Curt Raymond
7;t "The USA vs Everybody else" anymore we're all in the same bucket. -Curt Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 05:56:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Message-ID: <1338728171.41893.yext-apple-iph...@web125104.mail.ne1.

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2012-06-03 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
I agree. But neither is eminent domain and it happens. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2012, at 11:15 AM, OK Don wrote: That's not a very libertarian stance --- On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: The government imposes plenty of restrictions on our rights for the greater

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2012-06-03 Thread OK Don
That's not a very libertarian stance --- On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > The government imposes plenty of restrictions on our rights for the > greater good of the country. Any oil that is drilled on US territory should > remain here in my opinion. > > Sent from my iPho

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2012-06-03 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
The government imposes plenty of restrictions on our rights for the greater good of the country. Any oil that is drilled on US territory should remain here in my opinion. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2012, at 11:01 AM, OK Don wrote: The question is who is "we". The oil companies lease minera

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2012-06-03 Thread OK Don
The question is who is "we". The oil companies lease mineral rights from the holders of those rights. "We" as the citizens of this country do not own those mineral rights, with the exception of public lands. However, once "we" lease those rights to the oil companies, they are free to do what they w

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2012-06-03 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Oil is one of our valuable natural resources. If we have limited supply then we should be obliged to keep it here. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2012, at 1:05 AM, OK Don wrote: "We" don't produce the oil. The multi-national corporations do. They owe no alligence to any countyr - just their sha

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2012-06-02 Thread OK Don
"We" don't produce the oil. The multi-national corporations do. They owe no alligence to any countyr - just their shareholders. Just because the oil was pumped from US soil does not mean that it will be sold here. Oil from all overt the world is refined here, and as good portion of it is sold to ot

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2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don writes: > Not without nationalizing the petroleum industrry. Want to move to Venzuela? > The oil industry does not know national borders - Oops hit the send key before I was done Yet if we produced as much or more than we consume, we could not be held hostage by oil exporting countri

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2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don writes: > Not without nationalizing the petroleum industrry. Want to move to Venzuela? > The oil industry does not know national borders - Yet if we produced as much or more than we consume, we ould not be held hostage to oil > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Larry T wrote: > >> "wi

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2012-06-02 Thread OK Don
Not without nationalizing the petroleum industrry. Want to move to Venzuela? The oil industry does not know national borders - On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Larry T wrote: > "with an halfway decent energy plan this country could be energy > independent in a few years.".. > > LarryT > 91 300D

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2012-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond
but I did get better tires, IIRC the cheapie onion skins were something like $80ea. Of course I make twice as much (maybe a little more) now as I did in 2002... -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:29:16 -0400 From: John Reames To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Messa

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2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
Yeah, I put off buying some last year. Now I have to try to find some that will last more than a couple years for a low annual mileage cockaroach, uh I mean 240D. I need to clean out the interior, touch up some paint spots, put tars on and get it licensed, and it should be ready to go. I th

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2012-06-01 Thread John Reames
The 123 tires have gotten pricey too, since they are falling out of favor. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:13, Mitch Haley wrote: > Allan Streib wrote: >> Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about >> doub

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2012-06-01 Thread Curt Raymond
he price of gas one cent. -Curt Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:21:04 -0400 From: Larry T To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Message-ID: <4fc91620.2070...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel price

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2012-06-01 Thread Larry T
Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel prices have doubled in the last 3 years and dragged everything with it. There's nothing that gets to the consumer without the use of fossil fuels - often more than once - for instance, a shipboard container, goes on a train then to a truck. I won't go i

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2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
Yup absolutely! WallySams tars are poor. the game is to keep you coming in and buying more there. when I ran their tars, I was in once-twice a year for adjustment/replacement. Once I quit that cycle, I don't buy nearly as many tars. BTW, Kelley generally is a good tire. It is an old bran

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2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
OOPS should have been 1936. I think 1936-1939 were about the same . Welcome to 1932, where a set of tires cost more than a lot of used cars. Both courtesy of "progressive" socialist regimes. Mitch Haley writes: What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now. Th

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2012-06-01 Thread David Bruckmann
Actually, this has more to do with the fact that prices for both rubber and carbon black have been at record highs lately. Rubber because of severe weather in Asia in 2010, and carbon black because of industry consolidation (one less supplier in the market has raised prices). And high oil prices

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2012-06-01 Thread Curt Raymond
One wonders how much the price of oil is directly reflected in the price of tires? Tires are synthetic rubber made from oil right? -Curt Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:32:03 -0400 From: Allan Streib To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain

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2012-06-01 Thread Rich Thomas
We should respond with higher tariffs on chicken tires! My wife had a blowout on the Suburban a few weeks back, it was about time anyway to get new tars for it. $800+ later at Costco... ouch! --R On 6/1/12 8:23 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:52 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: Yeah

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2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Archer
Gerry Archer wrote: Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here at least, the dealers charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them. The better labor deals on carry-in tires seem to be at Wal-Ma

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2012-06-01 Thread Dan Penoff
The low profile sidewall tires are obscenely expensive as well. The wife's Mazda has them, and it has always been an exercise in pain when they require replacement. Dan On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > Mitch Haley writes: > >> What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then

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2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
Welcome to 1932, where a set of tires cost more than a lot of used cars. Both courtesy of "progressive" socialist regimes. Mitch Haley writes: What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires f

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2012-06-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Gerry Archer wrote: Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here at least, the dealers charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them. The better labor deals on carry-in tires seem to be at Wal-Mart

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2012-06-01 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley writes: > What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter. I know truck tires are more, but over $200 each for a "non-major" brand

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2012-06-01 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:52 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about > doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). They (our government) raised tariffs on Chinese tires a few years ago. It has allowed domestic manufacturers to raise pr

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2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Archer
Craig writes: I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past couple of years. Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been obligated to pay chasing the same amount of goods, the pric

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2012-06-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). Seems that way, doesn't it? I just checked, my last order of 195/65-15 H rated Generals was $67.50 shipped in August of 2008. Now it's $87.25. If you fac

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2012-06-01 Thread rogerhga
Allan, Have you also noticed all the used car lots, used tire shops, and thrift stores? But hey, according to the "gov", the economy is improving and we're all happy. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.

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2012-06-01 Thread Allan Streib
Craig writes: >> I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past >> couple of years. > > Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of > dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been > obligated to pay chasing the same amount of goods,

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2012-05-31 Thread Craig
On Thu, 31 May 2012 19:09:56 -0400 Allan Streib wrote: > Should know better than to ask but does anyone have anything good (or > bad) to say about Kelly Explorer tires. This is for our Focus, just a > running-around-town car for the most part. I have only heard of Kelly tires, so I cannot give

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2012-05-31 Thread Allan Streib
Should know better than to ask but does anyone have anything good (or bad) to say about Kelly Explorer tires. This is for our Focus, just a running-around-town car for the most part. Firestone dealer is offering Champion HRs for slightly less, the shop will the Kellys is a long-time local shop, s