On Dec 3, 2012 1:29 PM, Dan Penoff dan d...@penoff.com@ d...@penoff.com
penoff.com d...@penoff.com wrote:
thinking that since everything the belt drives is attached to the engine
in some fashion it wouldn't affect the belt.
You've still got some extra side stress on the belt if the impact isn't
On Dec 3, 2012 1:29 PM, Dan Penoff dan d...@penoff.com@ d...@penoff.com
penoff.com d...@penoff.com wrote:
thinking that since everything the belt drives is attached to the engine
in some fashion it wouldn't affect the belt.
You've still got some extra side stress on the belt if the impact
On 03/12/2012 5:21 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
Check the fan pulley, it can be put on wrong way round (and the water
pump pulley, if I remember correctly). The difference is just about 1
and one half ribs, so eventually the belt shreds on one side (the rear
on my brother's car) and works fine
On 03/12/2012 7:03 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
What if said cheaper accessory seizes? When it's belt driven, it only
breaks a belt I've seen this happen more than once with a/c and
alternators.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi)
Uh.that is what shear pins or
One of the pulleys offset from the others, or the tensioner has tilted off at an
angle?
Mitch.
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Pulleys lined up correctly? Something cockeyed? Pulley runs true? All
elements tight?
--R
On 12/3/12 10:26 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Eldest son comes to me on Saturday and says the belt on his car started
shredding Friday night.
We replaced said belt for the exact same reason a good 6-8
Everything appears to be tight and lined up. No slop in any of the pulleys that
I could find.
Dan
On Dec 3, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:
Pulleys lined up correctly? Something cockeyed? Pulley runs true? All
elements tight?
--R
On
Watch the belt while cranking the engine without starting it. Use a
different brand of belt when replacing it if no problem is seen. A dial
indicator rubbing on the side and the belt contact area of each slowly
turned pulley with the belt off will sometimes diagnose a hidden problem.
On Dec 3, 2012 9:21 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
Gerrywho prefers chains or gears.
Hmm. There are of course plenty of cars out there with chain-driven cams,
and a few with gear-driven ones... but was an engine ever made with no
belts at all? I.e., all accessories
Maybe one of the pulleys is out is alignment causing belt to ride over the edge
of the pulley?
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On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
Eldest son comes to me on Saturday and says the belt on his car started
shredding Friday night.
We replaced
Is there a tensioning pulley out of alignment?
Any oil or other fluid leaks? They can weaken the belt so it wears out faster.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
Eldest son comes to me on Saturday and says the belt on his car started
shredding
On Dec 3, 2012 11:43 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
Everything appears to be tight and lined up. No slop in any of the
pulleys that I could find.
Total guess, but bad engine mounts leading to shake at idle? Or, does son
usually drive with windows down in summer? Might the compressor
On Dec 3, 2012 9:21 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
Gerrywho prefers chains or gears.
Hmm. There are of course plenty of cars out there with chain-driven cams,
and a few with gear-driven ones... but was an engine ever made with no
belts at all? I.e., all accessories
On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:04:25 -0500 Gerry Archer
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't mind having a car with flat belts so long as a broken belt
didn't destroy the engine.
(Don't remember the name of that type engine.)
Gerry
Non-interference. With interference engines, the pistons will
Car shake at idle?
--R
On 12/3/12 1:13 PM, Tim C wrote:
Total guess, but bad engine mounts leading to shake at idle?
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This is an interesting question, as he mention it happening when it immediately
following going over some sort of bump in a driveway... I dismissed this,
thinking that since everything the belt drives is attached to the engine in
some fashion it wouldn't affect the belt.
Could I be wrong?
Dan
Is there anything near the belt that could move and bump the edge of it
when the car flexes a bit?
Randy
On 03/12/2012 12:29 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
This is an interesting question, as he mention it happening when it immediately
following going over some sort of bump in a driveway... I
Not sure - I'll have to take a closer look.
What is interesting is his comment about hitting a bump in this person's
driveway and then the belt shredding. As one might expect, a small piece came
loose and started whipping around. Thankfully, he's smart enough to shut off
the engine and
On Dec 3, 2012 9:21 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
Gerrywho prefers chains or gears.
Hmm. There are of course plenty of cars out there with chain-driven cams,
and a few with gear-driven ones... but was an engine ever made with no
belts at all? I.e., all accessories
What if said cheaper accessory seizes? When it's belt driven, it only
breaks a belt I've seen this happen more than once with a/c and
alternators.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi)
On 12/3/2012 3:07 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
On Dec 3, 2012 9:21 AM, Gerry Archer
Check the fan pulley, it can be put on wrong way round (and the water
pump pulley, if I remember correctly). The difference is just about 1
and one half ribs, so eventually the belt shreds on one side (the rear
on my brother's car) and works fine so long as you don't mind the mess.
The
The fan is out of whack and slowly nicking bits of the belt until you get a
failure condition
clay
On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Eldest son comes to me on Saturday and says the belt on his car started
shredding Friday night.
We replaced said belt for the exact same reason
What if said cheaper accessory seizes? When it's belt driven, it
only breaks a belt I've seen this happen more than once with a/c
and alternators.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi)
Uh.that is what shear pins or shear bolts are for. Every powered
boat
No experience with these kinds of belts, but had a problem once with metal
gears where the bearings did not last. Finally checked between the teeth on
every gear and found debris that had been flattened so much it was not
obvious on casual inspection. Scraped it out and the bearing problem was
Someone is getting confused. No mention of a Focus - this is a 1992 300E.
Dan
On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
No experience with these kinds of belts, but had a problem once with metal
gears where the bearings did not last. Finally checked between the teeth on
every gear
Dan,
Disconcerting to hear- I'd replaced that belt ROUGHLY a year before you
bought it. The interesting thing was I'd been getting an occasional squeak
so I got a Continental replacement; found that the belt on the car (which
had about 30k miles/2 years) showed signs of imminent failure with
I looked at the belt and saw that just as it had before, the belt had
shredded just a small portion, maybe 1/8 on the inboard edge. The
rest of the belt is intact and undamaged.
Belt alignment? Specifically any angle on an idler pulley, or
perhaps an alternator with incorrect spacers?
-- Jim
Interesting resolution:
Boy comes in yesterday morning and says none of his turn signals are working.
I check, and sure enough, they are not.
I pull up the schematic after verifying the fuses are OK and see that the
hazard flashers use the same circuit. I pull the N10 relay and reseat it.
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 09:08:18 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
I pull up the schematic after verifying the fuses are OK and see that
the hazard flashers use the same circuit. I pull the N10 relay and
reseat it.
This is a W124, isn't it? Where did you find the schematic?
Craig
On the Startekinfo or whatever it is Web site:
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12264/?requestedDocId=12264
It's in the Electrical Troubleshooting section.
Dan
On Jun 10, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Craig wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 09:08:18 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
I
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:27:14 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
On the Startekinfo or whatever it is Web site:
http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12264/?requestedDocId=12264
It's in the Electrical Troubleshooting section.
I have the W124 CD ISOs, so I have been looking at
Glad to be of help.
And yes, the scans of the wiring diagrams leave a lot to be desired.
Dan
Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:27:14 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
On the Startekinfo or whatever it is Web site:
FWIW, The lamp indicator in my 90 300D is periodically flaky. In fact I
mostly ignore it now although it was accurate on a tail light last week. It
comes on when lights on but no bulbs burned. Is erratic.
Dwight
*Dwight Giles Jr.*
*1982 300CD 224K miles*
*1990 300D 2.5t 208K miles*
*Wickford
It could also be that a bulb is erratic -- or a bit of corrosion in a
socket.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote:
FWIW, The lamp indicator in my 90 300D is periodically flaky. In fact I
mostly ignore it now although it was accurate on a tail light last
You know if an indicator is not working, ya know instead of
blink.blink...blink it's blink..blink..blink.
Pretty sure it would not be the fog lights but the little park lights in
the headlights do like to play up now and then.
Hendrik
who has all lights working
On 08/06/12 07:22,
interior lights
trunk lights
indicators that blink have two wires, the hot one could be out
clay
On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
The eldest came in yesterday and said that his lamp indicator light was lit
all of the time, but when he did a walk-around he didn't notice any
Got my answer from the W124 CB manual.
Looks like headlights/fog/backup lights all light only when turned on (the
failure indicator, that is.)
Brake and turn signal lights will cause it to be on at all times until the lamp
is replaced.
He said he checked the turn signals, but I'll have to see
The lamp out indicator is only for exterior lights in this model, according to
the manual.
Dan
On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:12 PM, clay monroe wrote:
interior lights
trunk lights
indicators that blink have two wires, the hot one could be out
clay
On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff
License plate lights? Corner/side lights in rear?
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 300E Lamp Out Indicator
Got my answer from the W124 CB
WILTON wrote:
License plate lights? Corner/side lights in rear?
My right license light is out on the 210 wagon.
When the lights are on, the error displays immediately.
When the lights are off, it takes a few minutes to kill my
odometer/clock/temperature and replace it with the lighting error
On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:58:06 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
Any ideas what else it might be?
The lamp-out indicator won't know a bulb is out until you try to use the
bulb.
Start up the parked car and note that the lamp-out indicator is not lit.
Press the brake pedal and see if it is
There is just one bulb in the 3rd light. Check the side marker
lights and the license plate lights.
On 6/7/2012 3:58 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
The eldest came in yesterday and said that his lamp indicator light was lit all
of the time, but when he did a walk-around he didn't notice any lights
May be a matter of time.
Wilton
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From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com
To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 92 300E?
What is a 92 300E worth? It is in spectacular condition. 139,000 miles.
Everything works. Paint is
Why is that so significant?
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
May be a matter of time.
Wilton
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To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 92 300E?
What
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Why is that so significant?
Because it took Wilton about a week to deconstruct his W124 and replace the
evap. Kind of like a W115 heater blower, but too big to cut a hole in the dash
to make a shortcut.
Mitch.
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Why is that so significant?
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
May be a matter of time.
Wilton
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Actually, about 2 weeks - I didn't have to hurry.
Wilton
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From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 300E?
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Why is that so significant
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 300E?
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Why is that so significant?
Because it took Wilton about a week to deconstruct his W124 and replace
the evap. Kind of like a W115 heater blower
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
Randy
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 300E?
So what's the shop
, August 17, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 300E?
So what's the shop going to charge an ordinary person to fix this problem,
including parts + labor?
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Actually, about 2 weeks - I didn't have to hurry.
Wilton
- Original
'Just checked archives. Stealer wanted $3100 for basic evapectomy (parts
and labor); indie wanted $2400.
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 300E
3500
Donald Snook wrote:
What is a 92 300E worth? It is in spectacular condition. 139,000 miles.
Everything works. Paint is awesome, leather (not tex) on seats in very good
shape. Has the 8 hole wheels. Lots of service history. First owner drove it
for 50,000 miles. Then, second owner
I had a 91 300E I bought at the Manheim highline auction as an MBUSA leaseback
with 60k on it and it was the best non-vintage MB I ever owned. Wish I still
had it.
Dan
--- On Mon, 8/17/09, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com
Subject: [MBZ] 92 300E?
To:
Unless it's rusted or wrecked, you can restore to factor condition if
you want to spend the money.
All of ours now have well over 200,000 miles on them, and run like
tops. Mom's needs a new front cover seal (this is a 50,000 mile
repeating job, usually -- it eventually leaks again) but
It's in Tulsa - if it was a good deal, Kaleb would have already snagged it! ;-)
That's not many miles -- tad less than 200k.
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This looks like a pretty nice car. I am little gun shy about the M103 engine
because of the head
I have more miles on mine, and so far, not too bad. I think my head gasket
is getting a little wonky. I'm going with a few friend next month, to a
recycling yard where you can have all you can carry for $50. If I can find
a decent head, I was thinking to have it rebuilt, so save on the down
you just do the head at 200k and then drive it another 200k. really
not that big a deal
On 5/23/08, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This looks like a pretty nice car. I am little gun shy about the M103
engine because of the head gasket problems. This car has a lot of miles. I
wonder
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This looks like a pretty nice car. I am little gun shy about the M103 engine
because of the head gasket problems. This car has a lot of miles. I wonder
if it is going to be a money pit.
http://tiny.cc/EksqI
There is
Gary wrote: you just do the head at 200k and then drive it another 200k.
really not that big a deal
The car has 190,000 miles on it now. There is no way that I want to buy a car
and then immeadiately replace the head. I am too cheap to do that.
Donald H. Snook
Frugal Don, Frugal or smart or careful or etc, not cheap.
Randy
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Gary wrote: you just do the head
Makes the decision to buy or not to, easy then. ;-) Lots more will come
along.
Ed
300E
2008/5/23 Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Gary wrote: you just do the head at 200k and then drive it another 200k.
really not that big a deal
The car has 190,000 miles on it now. There is no way that I
The head gasket is a pain, but once every 200,000 miles is no big
deal. They are not money pits, really, but like all Benz autos,
there IS some stuff no one ever does on 'Merican Iron, like rear
suspension parts.
Peter
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You don't need to replace the HEAD, you need to pull it off and put
on a new HEAD GASKET, an entirely different animal. Manifolds stay
on, so it's pretty easy with a hoist EXCEPT for the stinking bracket
under the intake, can only be reached from the bottom.
Don't break the chain guide,
if i'm pulling the head, i'm sending it out to the machine shop. figure
about 400 bucks for their labor on an m103 doing quality work
i guess you can do the quicky head gasket job, but the car has a lot of
miles on it at 200k not to do the head.
i guess the main question is whether it is a
Zeitgeist wrote:
Well, either the stars must have aligned or I shuffled across some random
pixie dust, but a W124 finally showed up at the local Pick-a-Part--this has
never ever ever happened around here before...ever. It's a '92 300E, and I
nabbed the steering wheel (w/airbag), glovebox door,
Uh oh, it says it's a 10 PA 17C. Is that bad?
MB part # 116 130 05 15
On 6/9/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Should be interchangeable. Is it a Nippondenso 10P15?
Marshall
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k)
Yup, it's different. The 87 uses a 10P15. The 10 PA 17C is shorter,
and I don't know if the holes line up, and the speed sensor may be
different.
Peter
Uh oh, it says it's a 10 PA 17C. Is that bad?
Should be interchangeable. Is it a Nippondenso 10P15?
The 10 is the number of pistons (actually five double-ended ones),
the 15/17 is the capacity in some units. There are smaller ones
too. If it fits, and the speed sensor is compatible, it
Zeitgeist wrote:
Uh oh, it says it's a 10 PA 17C. Is that bad?
MB part # 116 130 05 15
That's a larger capacity (173 cc) compressor that was installed in late
'80s 107s and larger 126s. The 10P15 has 153 cc capacity. If it fits, I
think it should work.
Marshall
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What does the speed sensor do? Do '83 300D Turbos have them? Are they part
of the compressor?
Thanks,
Gerry Archer
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Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '92
What does the speed sensor do?
Tells the system the RPM of the compressor.
Used by the serpentine belt protection system
to detect a locked-up compressor, which disengages
the clutch to protect the (single) belt, in theory
keeping the water pump going thus protecting the
engine from
That's a larger capacity (173 cc) compressor that was installed in late
'80s 107s and larger 126s. The 10P15 has 153 cc capacity. If it fits, I
think it should work.
It should be noted that certain 80's Camry's use a 10P15 (I think), with
speed sensor, so they can be a source of used
Jim Cathey wrote:
That's a larger capacity (173 cc) compressor that was installed in late
'80s 107s and larger 126s. The 10P15 has 153 cc capacity. If it fits, I
think it should work.
It should be noted that certain 80's Camry's use a 10P15 (I think), with
speed sensor, so they can be a source
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