- Original Message -
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief
I second Darrens suggestion. Is there anyone on the list who DID NOT use
a credit card
On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Uh, I beg to disagree. I bought a $1k VFD on fleabay, and the seller
shipped an inverter, which is worth about half as much.
You wouldn't happen to need a real VFD would you? I have two I need to sell.
Rick
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Obviously, I was too anxious to have some good news and misunderstood the
notations on my USAA credit card account last night that seemed to indicate
that Trent had refunded the $267.79. A first confirmation call to USAA this
morning confirmed that he had. A second call to them to rescind the
On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Uh, I beg to disagree. I bought a $1k VFD on fleabay, and the
seller shipped an inverter, which is worth about half as much.
You wouldn't happen to need a real VFD would you? I have two I need to sell.
Rick
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I NEVER deal with any ebayer with a less than 99 percent approval rating.
I alwyas read every negative report to get a handle on whether to trust the
seller. So far, only one problem in 00s of transactiosn
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 17, 2013,
I NEVER deal with any ebayer with a less than 99 percent approval rating.
I alwyas read every negative report to get a handle on whether to trust the
seller. So far, only one problem in 00s of transactiosn
This clown had a 99%+ rating and runs a seemingly legit brick and
mortar biz. But his
Yeah, it's not foolproof. I once nearly got negative feedback when I
shipped an item to Greece that took 30 days to get there. Not my fault,
either.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
I NEVER deal with any ebayer with a less than 99 percent approval
I called WF and they are doing the same thing, will put a temporary
credit in my acct for the disputed amount, then the whole dispute
process takes 45-90 days (!!). I gave them all his info, she didn't
really seem to care to have it or not, I guess they just bang on his
account or something.
It took that long with Chase earlier this year on something unrelated.
Eventually they sent me a letter that said the investigation was closed.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
I called WF and they are doing the same thing, will put a
Greece has an idiotic customs office. NOTHING gets to Greece on time. Greeks
are not known to anything in a timely fashion!
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On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, it's not foolproof. I once nearly got negative feedback when I
dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
Greece has an idiotic customs office. NOTHING gets to Greece on time. Greeks
are not known to anything in a timely fashion!
Don't they retire faster than any other public servants?
Mitch.
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That sorta summarizes my experience on a trip there in '01. The ferry
goes on strike for reasons no one understood (the cops guarding the
parking lot in particular), and the subway that stopped in the middle of
a tunnel for about 20 minutes, and the conductor was sneaking nips from
a flask,
Spent a week in Crete - utterly amazing island!. Crete is the only place
on earth - AFAIK - where you can stand on a marine beach and observe sheep
and goats grazing, vineyards, lemon groves, olive trees, and in the
distance snow capped mountains.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Rich Thomas
Dieselhead wrote:
Even the sellers model number, (what was delivered) is described by the mfgr
as an inverter. But I need more proof ShEESH!
UNREAL.
mao
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clay wrote:
Dan, it has become a matter of principle.
we are all screwed
No disagreement.
But, we are also human.
Human is prone to failure. A record of Trent's failure was put up a
few weeks ago, fwiw.
Human is prone to breakage - perhaps Trent is on his back with some
severe illness and
Crete is truly amazing. The island has everything, literally.
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On Jun 18, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Spent a week in Crete - utterly amazing island!. Crete is the only place
on earth - AFAIK - where you can stand on a marine beach and
I knew a career military officer that was a neighbor off himself on Crete. At
least that was the official story. Never did figure out how someone could
commit suicide by cutting their throat and flinging themselves off a precipice.
(He was a spook, so the sketchy story just adds to the
Yes.
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On Jun 18, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
Greece has an idiotic customs office. NOTHING gets to Greece on time. Greeks
are not known to anything in a timely fashion!
Don't they retire faster than any other
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:30:35 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Uh, I beg to disagree. I bought a $1k VFD on fleabay, and the
seller shipped an inverter, which is worth about half as much.
You wouldn't
On Jun 18, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
What is a VFD? Variable Frequency Drive?
Yes.
Where do you use them?
Any place 480v 3 phase AC motors need to be speed controlled. Conveyors,
industrial mixers, centrifuges, to name a few applications.
They are not as
On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
How many HP? It seems I am buying them all the time. We use 1 HP to 50 HP.
Right now I have no spares, but have 2 on the way.
I will get back to you on Wednesday or Thursday off list.
Rick
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:30:35 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Uh, I beg to disagree. I bought a $1k VFD on fleabay, and the
seller shipped an inverter, which is worth about half as much.
You wouldn't
By initiating a claim with your CC, you should see a refund as the CC
company always sides with the consumer while investigating.
IIRC they are required to issue refunds within 3 business days or they
risk losing their credit card acceptance account...
Good Luck --
LarryT
On 6/17/2013
USAA applied temp. credit to my acct yesterday. Several posts (well, at
least 2, anyway) to that effect today.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a
My $267.79 paid via USAA credit card. How was yours paid? USAA Credit Card
Services has initiated an investigation.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013
He stated he would provide an explanation here, which he has not. He has
charged for items, apparently, that have not been provided. He has not
provided an explanation to you - or to this group. I'm afraid at this time
these actions are those of a thief.
Peter
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:14
I'd say thief is probably too strong a word, I think rube is probably more like
it.
That said I think some fools (that'd be us) and their money (unfortunately more
of yours than mine) have been parted. I was heartened the other day when he
posted but his You'll get an explanation soon has
Young lady at the Sterling IL po-po office says I have to file a report
with my local jurisdiction and then let them deal with it (yeah,
right). I will do that and stay on them about following up. I have some
minimal (positive) relationship with the Sheriff and some of his top
deputies, will
Since Rusty has inside knowledge and far more insight on the situation than
anyone here, it would be of great interest to get his input as to what is going
on. Considering that those of us who patronized Trent did so based on the
goodwill that Rusty had established over the years as a supplier.
I understood Rusty's last missive to say that he was in the same boat as us,
that Trent wouldn't return his calls and he had done what he could...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:49:56 -0400
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ]
That's what I understood, too.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief
I understood Rusty's last missive to say that he was in the
In your case, is there a bank or credit card company involved?
My credit card company (USAA) is involved.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:43 PM
Subject:
I called the local Sterling IL po-po who said I had to file a complaint
with my local jurisdiction and they would have to take it from there.
So I am trying to find out how to do that with the Sheriff.
Other info:
Me, too, re. Gary/Rusty.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief
I called the local Sterling IL po-po
I lost track of some of this with all the traffic. If he's cut Rusty off as
well that does not bode well...
Dan
On Jun 17, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
I understood Rusty's last missive to say that he was in the same boat as us,
that Trent wouldn't return his
Dan Penoff wrote:
After all, as I understood the arrangements, doesn't Rusty have a vested
interest in Trent's success (or failure)?
I don't know if the price depends on future revenues from existing customers, or
if Trent's ability to finish paying Rusty depends on future profitability.
Curious as to why Rich is dealing with a po-po office (whatever that is)
in Sterling, IL?
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Young lady at the Sterling IL po-po office says I have to file a report
with my local jurisdiction and then let
po-po is slang for the police. Rich feels he has been stolen from and
the theft happened in Sterling, IL.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)
On 6/17/2013 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Curious as to why Rich is dealing with a po-po office (whatever that is)
in
Police? I vaguely remember East German police as being referred to as
po-pos, n'est-ce pas; ist es nicht?
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: Re:
I think you need to contact the State's Attorney or County Attorney
Contact info: http://www.usa.gov/directory/stateconsumer/illinois.shtml
Per:
http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0221-billed-merchandise-you-never-received-heres-what-do
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max
I left msgs on answering machine, others that were supposedly Faxed to 'im;
I also Faxed msgs directly and via registered mail. Still no answer and no
parts at a cost of $267.79 via USAA Credit Card Services.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Rich Thomas
Debit card, the order hit my bank acct almost immediately after placing
the order.
I'll let you know what I find out.
--R
On 6/17/13 12:14 PM, WILTON wrote:
My $267.79 paid via USAA credit card. How was yours paid? USAA
Credit Card Services has initiated an investigation.
Wilton
-
I left a message (the answering service apparently texts or emails him
or something, it is not possible to reach him directly) that I was
initiating legal action against him. THought it best to at least give
him a warning.
--R
On 6/17/13 12:24 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote:
He stated he would
Rich,
Just out of curiosity and I am sorry if I missed it earlier, how much money are
your out?
Jon
On Jun 17, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
I left a message (the answering service apparently texts or emails him or
something, it is not possible to reach him directly) that I was
That really hurts.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
Rich,
Just out of curiosity and I am sorry if I missed it earlier, how much
money are your out?
Jon
On Jun 17, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
I left a message (the answering service apparently
Anytime anyone is taken advantage of, it really hurts. There are different
ways and means to recover losses. I was just curious, so that I could
recommend possible avenues.
Jon
On Jun 17, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
That really hurts.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:04 PM,
Mine was pretty quick, too. Have you you talked to bank about it?
Is there any provision for bank involvement?
Wilton
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From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:23 PM
Even, if not much money, a helluva lota principle.
There is no substitute for integrity in any endeavor.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] At this time
Is it time in this thread to post some of the banned info that
circulated a couple months ago? Or did --R put that stuff up here
also? In which case, similar situation only worse this time? i.e.
real personal problems? So, do we nail him to the wall to extract $$
he doesn't have nor is able to
Agreed.
On Jun 17, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Is it time in this thread to post some of the banned info that
circulated a couple months ago? Or did --R put that stuff up here
also? In which case, similar situation only worse this time? i.e.
real personal problems? So, do we
Agreed.
On Jun 17, 2013, at 4:38 PM, WILTON wrote:
Even, if not much money, a helluva lota principle.
There is no substitute for integrity in any endeavor.
Wilton
- Original Message - From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent:
On 17/06/2013 3:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Is it time in this thread to post some of the banned info that
circulated a couple months ago? Or did --R put that stuff up here
also? In which case, similar situation only worse this time? i.e.
real personal problems? So, do we nail him to the wall
I'm not employed. Y'all are still paying me, though, for what I well-earned
many years ago, thank you.
Our commitment of funds and questions demand at least some response, which
has been sorely lacking.
Wilton
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From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
To:
'Zackly.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief
On 17/06/2013 3:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Is it time in this thread
On Jun 17, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
Is it time in this thread to post some of the banned info that
circulated a couple months ago? Or did --R put that stuff up here
also? In which case, similar situation only worse this time? i.e.
real personal problems?
On Jun 17, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Debit card, the order hit my bank acct almost immediately after placing the
order.
Never, never, never, never purchase anything online or over the phone with a
debit card. NEVER. It is my understanding
Dear lister's,
I am horribly grieved at what is happening. Had I known this, I would have just
closed the business. I am still trying to contact Trent but I too, can only
leave message after message. I have even texted his cell to no avail. I have
no idea what went wrong but it appears to
If you're only looking for your money back, I would just contact the card
issuer and tell them it is a fraudulent charge because you never received
your merchandise. With a credit card there should be an immediate credit
while they investigate and many/most credit card companies offer $0
We're grieving, too, Rusty, and we apply no blame whatever to you. A large
part of our grief is also for you and the trust that you must have had in
Trent. Thank you again for helping us keep our old MB's running and for
being our friend and dependable family member. I wish you all the best
Best route is to call your card issuer and file a chargeback. They will ask you
to file a simple report, credit you your monies and attempt to collect the
amount from the merchant.
This works best with credit cards, but each card issuer has policies for
dealing with chargebacks / affidavits
My card bank, USAA, began investigation several days ago. I'd call 'em off
if Trent were to initiate a full refund. I'll give 'im couple more days to
do that; if no response, investigation and appropriate consequences shall
proceed as necessary. BTW, somebody said it's time to be nice. How
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:02:35 + Rusty Cullens
rustycull...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear lister's,
I am horribly grieved at what is happening. Had I known this, I would
have just closed the business. I am still trying to contact Trent but I
too, can only leave message after message. I have even
Agree.
On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
On Jun 17, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Debit card, the order hit my bank acct almost immediately after placing the
order.
Never, never, never, never purchase anything online or over
Dan, it has become a matter of principle. Nobody will win when you fight on
principle. Trent seems to have done folks on the list wrong, after not putting
a positive foot forward at the changing of the guard. The list got an intro,
some early positive mention, and then it went big time
$149.66, not enough to render me destitute but enough to piss me off big
time. Actually, it isn't the money (well, you know when someone says,
It isn't the money...), it is mostly the inconvenience, the lack of
communication, and being blown off by a guy I put some trust into. And
having my
WILTON wrote:
Police? I vaguely remember East German police as being referred to as
po-pos, n'est-ce pas; ist es nicht?
Wilton
Yes now that you mention it. Po-Po was also little kids slang for
butt. Make what you will of that one. I well remember po-po
klatshe mit brett.
Manfred
I place no blame on you -- you did a deal, the guy seemed legit (not to
diminish your business but reselling wholesale parts is not exactly
rocket surgery, though doing it well and with knowledge and advice is a
much different approach), one generally expects that someone trying to
make a go
'ZACKLY.
WILTON
- Original Message -
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief
$149.66, not enough to render me destitute but enough
I second Darrens suggestion. Is there anyone on the list who DID NOT use a
credit card for payment? All credit cards that I've had experience with
protect the buyer against this sort of thing. Paying by Paypal gives you
two layers of protection since Paypal also protects the buyer.
Gerry
Trent has refunded the $267.79 charge for un-delivered parts to my USAA
credit card account. Thank you, Trent, for doing the right thing.
Wilton
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From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:36 PM
Hear hear!
-Curt
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:19:02 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief
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I second Darrens suggestion. Is there anyone on the list who DID
NOT use a credit card for payment? All credit cards that I've had
experience with protect the buyer against this sort of thing.
Paying by Paypal gives you two layers of protection since Paypal
also protects the buyer.
Gerry
WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com writes:
I left msgs on answering machine, others that were supposedly Faxed to 'im;
I also Faxed msgs directly and via registered mail. Still no answer and no
parts at a cost of $267.79 via USAA Credit Card Services.
Which you will not have to pay.
Seriously
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