Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 8/21/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why you need to be a chicken liver like me and shy away from tasks such as thermostat RRs. Perhaps there is virtue in my fear. Or is it that caution is the better part of valor. Heck, now I'm just making stuff up. You're not alone,

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-22 Thread R A Bennell
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Now quit that! Gump will be coming out of the shop this week. I swear I

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-22 Thread Zoltan Finks
Just to ad another bit of info: I happened to back my car into a little spot to take the dogs to the beach last evening. As I did so, I got the same smoke and burning oil smell. This is really the only time the care smokes noticeably and definitely the only time it smells this way (to my

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-22 Thread Redghost
the cost down as educational expense. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Now quit that! Gump

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:52:25 -0500, Peter wrote: Time for valve guide seals -- at a steep rearward angle, oil covers the valve stems on the back cylinder (or two) and if you have worn valve guide seals (or more likely, worn guides) oil will get sucked down and burn. Make

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Curt Raymond
The joker in me says your car is always burning oil thats what OM616 means. Is the car actually burning oil, like is the oil level going down? I for one wouldn't worry about it until you're going through oil like the Exxon Valdez... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:21:39 -0700 From: Zoltan

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Marshall Booth
Zoltan Finks wrote: Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant amount of smoke when I do this. I thought maybe it's just that I notice it since I'm backing into the exhaust. But tonight I

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Luther
How much oil useage can worn valve guides cause? On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:20:14 -0500, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: Had a thought this evening as I backed out my driveway in the 240D. It's a fairly steep but short driveway. I notice that there is an unpleasant

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Hendrik
That depends how bad they are, I have heard stories of cars using liters of oil per 100ks, however from personal experience it is nothing unmanageable. I had a Missingbitzi 4 cylinder petrol car that had leaky valve stem seals in all the time I owned it and from memory I put about 1 litre for

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Marshall Booth
Luther wrote: How much oil useage can worn valve guides cause? As much oil as you've got when it gets bad enough! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Luther
Bad enough is being able to wiggle 3 of the stems back and forth by hand? On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:50:47 -0500, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: How much oil useage can worn valve guides cause? As much oil as you've got when it gets bad enough! Marshall -- Luther

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Trampas
need them around 150-180k miles. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Luther wrote: How much

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Zach
This could also be a failing diaphram in the vacuum pump. Ask me how I know. --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need valve seals or guides AND seals. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Jim Cathey
That reminds me, I just resealed my 117 motor in the 560SEL, but forgot to replace valve guide seals. I guess I will need to do that next year. The 117s need them around 150-180k miles. At least it's fairly easy to do those in place, no need to remove the heads. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Rich Thomas
How do you know? --R Zach wrote: This could also be a failing diaphram in the vacuum pump. Ask me how I know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Zach
If the oil sloshes forward while the car is tilte4d forward it can briefly pool behind the vacuum pump diaphram, if there is a crack in the rubber it can get sucked through and be pumped into the intake with a resulting cloud of smoke... In my case it was while going down a steep hill and then

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Zoltan Finks
It's not using much oil at all. I have a leak at the oil filter lines that attach to the block. And with this, the level goes down maybe a pint every, well, so often. I don't put many miles on the thing - I try not to drive very much. Am fortunate enough to be able to bicycle much more than I

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread R A Bennell
it the one time when I put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's not using much

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Zoltan Finks
put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's not using much oil at all

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread R A Bennell
it the one time when I put a real load on it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage It's

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Redghost
things that are not broken! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage Very good insight

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-21 Thread Zoltan Finks
That's why you need to be a chicken liver like me and shy away from tasks such as thermostat RRs. Perhaps there is virtue in my fear. Or is it that caution is the better part of valor. Heck, now I'm just making stuff up. Brian On 8/21/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now quit that! Gump

Re: [MBZ] Can backing up a hill cause oil drinkage

2007-08-20 Thread Peter Frederick
Time for valve guide seals -- at a steep rearward angle, oil covers the valve stems on the back cylinder (or two) and if you have worn valve guide seals (or more likely, worn guides) oil will get sucked down and burn. Make sure the drain hole in the back of the head is clear. If you are