on 5/11/09 8:18, Tom Hargrave at tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:
I believe you just made the argument against burning WVO that I was trying
to figure out how to type.
The issues are:
You need a relatively complex, relatively expensive system to properly run
WVO in your Mercedes including 2
on 5/11/09 9:27, Tom Hargrave at tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:
You and a few others are doing it right but based on the trashed diesels
I've seen around here, I'd say that 90% or more are doing it wrong.
I could not agree more.
The temptation to save money, combined with the fact that in most
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on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick
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Maybe this is the way to deal with the issue?
?
http://kineticvehicles.com/?
?
clay?
?
On May 10, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Peter Frederick
: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong
Steve Peter,
I believe you just made the argument against burning WVO that I was trying
to figure out how to type.
The issues are:
You need a relatively complex, relatively expensive system to properly run
WVO in your Mercedes including 2 tanks (original diesel
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Tom and others with interest:
The only thing I would add to your list is the added danger of processing
biodiesel, which was the reason for the beginning of this thread. I process
my WVO oil
mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong
Maybe this is the way to deal with the issue?
?
http://kineticvehicles.com/?
?
clay?
?
On May 10, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:?
?
WVO contains several things that cause trouble as fuel
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong
Mike,
You and a few others are doing it right but based on the trashed diesels
I've seen around here, I'd say that 90% or more are doing it wrong.
It's frustrating to me because I want to find an older Mercedes diesel and
the few I can find around here
There has to be a certain amount of background noise to keep things
interesting.
If it was a purely technical Q and A forum, it would be less fun. This
may be what some want , whilst others like a bit of mindless banter now
and then.
And sometimes through the mindless banter something is
If he can filter through the noise, the information is here. There are a
lot of people on this list running both biodiesel and WVO, some with
considerable mileage. I have spent a lot of time researching both, have
designed WVO systems and designed/built a large industrial biodiesel
plant.
wouldn't do the job, you
could get 0w20 Mobil 1 for instance...
-Curt
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:52:56 -0400
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Race engine builders recommend that to free up sticky rings
to hypotheticly kill my engine. There was
just enough material to convince me.?
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Maybe this is the way to deal with the issue
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on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick at psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
If you have poor combustion, I suspect
hi Michael!
not sure what vehicle you're running this with; some IPs are much
more tolerant of this kind of (ab)use than others.
FWIW, research around and you'll see that Frybrid has what we'll
call very *mixed* feedback; understand that what you're doing is in the
experimental
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hi Tom!
a couple of points i would take exception with below:
- better 2-tank WVO systems
, 2009 2:51 PM
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hi Michael!
not sure what vehicle you're running this with; some IPs are much
more tolerant of this kind of (ab)use than others.
FWIW, research around and you'll see that Frybrid has what we'll
call very *mixed
which has, to my understanding, a very robust IP.
Mike
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hi Michael
some
oil/grease from the local in restaurateur, filter it, and away they go.
Just my $0.02 based on what I have seen/heard.
Dan
--- On Mon, 5/11/09, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes
the process very clearly.
http://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm
Thanks,
mike
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Please
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong
Please provide the link to the study you read.
Luther
Tyler wrote:
These sort of engine problems are essentially unheard of in MB diesels
that haven't run WVO.
I still stand by the claim that WVO is good, but only if the oil is
heated really
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Please provide the link to the study you read.
Luther
Tyler wrote:
These sort of engine problems are essentially unheard of in MB
diesels
that haven't
://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm
Thanks,
mike
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Please provide the link to the study you
on 5/8/09 21:11, Michael LaFleur at mike.lafl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Why is it that every benz that has an engine problem that was run on WVO, WVO
is blamedas the reason for the failure, but every other benz that has an
engine problem, diesel is not the blame?
Mike
NAIL.
HEAD.
BANG.
on 5/8/09 21:17, Tyler at casi...@usermail.com wrote:
These sort of engine problems are essentially unheard of in MB diesels
that haven't run WVO.
HORSESH*T.
This list is turning into some sort of reality-denying cult, I swear to god.
Mercedes diesels expire regularly for any number of
on 5/8/09 20:30, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote:
prime example of what WVO will do. It may very well have broken rings
though.
Let me correct your typo, Kaleb.
What a poorly done WVO installation will do.
Mac
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on 5/8/09 14:02, tyler at casi...@usermail.com wrote:
I might get this thing if it doesn't seem too far gone. Even some Mobil
1 and an italian tuneup on B100 might clean the carbon out if it can
still start.
If the car was running WVO in a poor installation it's far beyond carbon.
It's
on 5/10/09 3:32, Luther at benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
Frybrid is in this for profit. Please show me independent and
repeatable research that shows where VO (WVO or SVO) will not cause long
term damage to an engine.
If you want evidence, I suggest you contact Elsbett in Germany, which has
Steve, do you have any repeatable correctly done scientific proof that
any form of SVO will NOT damage an engine? If so, please provide this
so I may repeat the research.
Luther
Steve MacSween wrote:
on 5/8/09 20:30, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote:
prime example of what
really, and why is that?
Steve MacSween wrote:
on 5/8/09 14:02, tyler at casi...@usermail.com wrote:
I might get this thing if it doesn't seem too far gone. Even some Mobil
1 and an italian tuneup on B100 might clean the carbon out if it can
still start.
If the car was running WVO
Race engine builders recommend that to free up sticky rings, use the
thinnest oil you can for as long as the engine will stand it (even if that
is 20 minutes).
The same additives in synthetics that add to synthetics' slipperiness, tend
to worsen the ring sludge.
I started asking about this after
on 5/10/09 21:32, Luther at benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
Steve, do you have any repeatable correctly done scientific proof that
any form of SVO will NOT damage an engine? If so, please provide this
so I may repeat the research.
Luther
First, see my other response.
Second, stop your
I'm not sure what the big issue is -- if somebody wants to burn veggie
oil of whatever flavor and goobers their engine, its not like old Benz
diesel engines, or whole cars for that matter, are in particularly short
supply for some hundreds of dollars (or even less). Drop another one
in,
on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick at psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
If you have poor combustion, I suspect that WVO WILL coke up the
rings pretty fast, and I suspect most of the cheapskates who want to
run free fuel aren't going to put the $ into getting the engine
into tip top shape first.
Steve, every last word is 100% right. This post should end the
conversation for both sides of the WVO debate IMO...
Tyler
On May 10, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:
on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick at psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
If you have poor combustion, I suspect that WVO
,
mike
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Please provide the link to the study you read.
Luther
Tyler wrote
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
1987 300TD with broken piston rings
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/1160158393.html
I'm guessing they're just so carboned up that it doesn't have much
compression left.
New injection pump too---wonder if the old one
I might get this thing if it doesn't seem too far gone. Even some Mobil
1 and an italian tuneup on B100 might clean the carbon out if it can
still start.
Tyler
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
1987 300TD with broken piston rings
I'd pull the head and take a look. The revised gasket reduces the
chance of blowing through the oil passage in front of the #1 cylinder
- so it's a good preventive measure. Good chance the repair shop is
taking advantage of the bad reputation of WVO to pick up a juicy
vehicle on the cheap.
-Dave
Sounds like the head is already off, and the shop that took it off says
broken piston rings.
Tyler
dave walton wrote:
I'd pull the head and take a look. The revised gasket reduces the
chance of blowing through the oil passage in front of the #1 cylinder
- so it's a good preventive measure.
You are probably correct, but not a good idea to assume so.
-Dave Walton
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:27 PM, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
Sounds like the head is already off, and the shop that took it off says
broken piston rings.
Tyler
dave walton wrote:
I'd pull the head and take a
prime example of what WVO will do. It may very well have broken rings
though.
tyler wrote:
1987 300TD with broken piston rings
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/1160158393.html
I'm guessing they're just so carboned up that it doesn't have much
compression left.
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 8:30:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong
prime example of what WVO will do. It may very well have broken rings though.
tyler wrote:
1987 300TD with broken piston rings
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/1160158393.html
These sort of engine problems are essentially unheard of in MB diesels
that haven't run WVO.
I still stand by the claim that WVO is good, but only if the oil is
heated really hot, and filtered really well (and it almost never is).
I did read a well designed scientific study once which
crazy,...
these things don't have the sturdier injection pumps of their
predecessors; i've seen many of them sent to an early grave around here
(Berkeley) because the conversions that were done on them didn't keep
the WVO warm enough at the pump and the injectors to flow and atomize
Please provide the link to the study you read.
Luther
Tyler wrote:
These sort of engine problems are essentially unheard of in MB diesels
that haven't run WVO.
I still stand by the claim that WVO is good, but only if the oil is
heated really hot, and filtered really well (and it almost
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