Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-24 Thread Loren Faeth
You should be able to use a flywheel from a manual OM621 (200D) or something like a M180 (220 Sb) those have the counter weight and could be balanced to the 617 flywheel. At 04:54 PM 12/22/2007, you wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:03:36 -0600 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flywheel is

Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
You have to have a drive shaft basically custom made for it. OK Don wrote: If you drove it like you do a 240D (floored, and shift at red line), it wouldn't drop off the boost curve, and would be even MORE fun :-). There is more space between the rear of the 616 block and the firewall than

Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
One from a 240D should work. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You have to have a drive shaft basically custom made for it. What about the tranny mount crossmember? Do you need to get one from a 300D euro manny? (BTW, I'm pretty sure the euro/manny driveshaft would work a

Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:05:48 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You have to have a drive shaft basically custom made for it. What about the tranny mount crossmember? Do you need to get one from a 300D euro manny? (BTW, I'm pretty sure the euro/manny

Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:35:54 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one was to undertake this conversion, and given a suitable donor car, wouldn't the drive shaft be the only custom modified part? Probably. And maybe not even that. The engine 'grows' towards the front, usually.

Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:03:36 -0600 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flywheel is the tough part. Since the OM617 is _not_ internally balanced and the OM616 _is_, the right way to do the job is to have non-balanced flywheel that compensates for the engine imbalance. Mathieu J. Cama and

Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-21 Thread Jim Cathey
However, if you did use a turbo 617, wouldn't it start from a stop the same as a non-turbo engine, then benefit from the increased torque/HP? Yes, but it would fall off boost at each shift. Also, emissions are very poor at those times, reputedly another reason they didn't ever make turbo

Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-21 Thread OK Don
If you drove it like you do a 240D (floored, and shift at red line), it wouldn't drop off the boost curve, and would be even MORE fun :-). There is more space between the rear of the 616 block and the firewall than there is with a 617, so I think they balanced the block on the mounts, or at least

Re: [MBZ] Manual 617 conversion questions

2007-12-21 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:27:15 -0600, OK wrote: I've been thinking more about my off-hand remark when we were talking about home generators, that I should pull the 616 from the 240D (manual tranny) and use it to spin a gen head, and put a 617 in the 240D. It's been said that MB