The Leaf is one fugly car.
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From the outside ;)
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On Aug 16, 2014, at 2:06 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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The Leaf is one fugly car.
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And more importantly one fu**ing pointless car with a realistic range of 60-80
miles.
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On Aug 16, 2014, at 2:06 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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The Leaf is one fugly car.
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I agree with that. A lot of electric car craze is feel good
environmentalism. 38% of power still comes from coal. I will stick with
ULSD no illusions.
On Aug 16, 2014 9:37 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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And more importantly one fu**ing pointless car with a realistic
dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
And more importantly one fu**ing pointless car with a realistic range of 60-80
miles.
Would have worked great when I lived 17 miles from work.
That would have given me enough excess capacity to use the climate control
without overly discharging the battery.
38% of power still comes from coal.
Here in WA it's something like 80% hydroelectric.
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Once again, no one vehicle is right/best for all mission profiles. An
electric car is fine for most urban driving. One would be fine for my
wife's trips into town every week where she drives an average of 25 - 30
miles round trip. It would not be good for a road trip - that's what
Diesels are for!
The problem is that then your existence becomes regimented. Suppose you decide
on your commute back that you need to stop by place X or some urgent matter
comes up and you need to drive to place Y? You have to drive home and swap
cars. Majorly inconvenient if you ask me. Until an electric car
One hundred years ago electric cars were a common sight on city streets
in Europe and the United States. Many of them had a range comparable to
that of today's EV's
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/05/the-status-quo-of-electric-cars-better-batteries-same-range.html.
Below is an overview
That's the one thing I think I would find an EV to be a PITA for. While I
rarely stop on the way home for anything, if I need to I need to, and it would
be really inconvenient to have to go home and swap cars just because I wouldn't
have the range to make a side trip.
Dan
On Aug 16, 2014,
And the sole coal plant is being retrofitted to NG in a few years. The coal
trains that supplied it are now being repurposed to load ships headed to the
orient. Wind farms are sprouting up all over the state. Natural gas plants
are not getting built, but solar is growing, and the older
As usual, follow the money...
LarryT
On 8/16/2014 3:58 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
And the sole coal plant is being retrofitted to NG in a few years. The coal
trains that supplied it are now being repurposed to load ships headed to the
orient. Wind farms are sprouting up all over the
I think you lot are missing the point somewhat, the leaf et al are aimed
more at the short commute market, which is more typical of Europe, Japan
and inner suburbia I suppose.
Also Australia has bugger all oil but loads of coal, so on the basis of
sustainability it would make sense to have EVs
snark
As I was taught in ROTC - PP (prior planning prevents piss poor
performance).
/snark
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:06 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes
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The problem is that then your existence becomes regimented. Suppose you
decide on your commute back that you
I don't see any direct suggestion in my statement that government should
own and run nuclear power plants. I am saying that there should
be...continuous critical oversight...of whichever organization is
running the plant.
Private Industry has a poor history of building, maintaining, and
Crystal River is one of the poster children of the commercial nuke industry for
mismanagement on the part of the operator, in my opinion.
Because profit was a part of the equation, there was an incentive to cut
corners, which they did. Now the current operator is faced with
decommissioning
It would suit me fine if all construction were mandated to be 100% USA
sourced - manpower and materials.
Actually, Nuclear Constructions requires documentation on materials from
cradle to grave - with varying degrees of completeness of documentation
depending on the location of the
Private industry?Surely you aren't saying government run industry
doesn't need the same or even greater oversight? Sorry, but I am not
very trusting of government organizations
LarryT
On 8/12/2014 7:24 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
Exactly, and continuous critical oversight so
Which adds to the costs and opens more doors to corruption. There is no
perfect solution. If we do go nuclear, I think we need to go to thorium (?)
rather than uranium. IIRC, it has always been a better solution, but didn't
get developed because it can't be weaponized (unlike the habanero peppers
All this back and forth about energy. Wars fought and blood and treasure
lost over energy. In the end, we run out of it, or poison ourselves out of
existance. Then we revert back to camp fires, tribes, and subsistence
survival, until we do it all over again in a few hundred generations.
Why not
Larry,
The U.S. Navy has run nuclear reactors on submarines and other warships for
decades, accident free. Not easy to translate that success to a civilian
agency, and certainly not nearly as cost-efficient as private industry.
My point is that nuclear power can be done safely and provide clean
The mob used to provide a lower grade concrete product when they ran the
industry.
clay
On Aug 13, 2014, at 3:07 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:
It would suit me fine if all construction were mandated to be 100% USA
sourced - manpower and materials.
Actually, Nuclear Constructions
See Big Dig in Boston!
--R
On 8/13/14 4:54 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
The mob used to provide a lower grade concrete product when they ran the
industry.
clay
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I've heated my house without the grid before. In the fall I go out in the
morning and pick up a bundle of sticks to make a fire. It cleans up the forest,
gets me a little exercise and heats the house for no money.
Curt
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On 13/08/2014 5:04 PM, curtludwig--- via Mercedes wrote:
I've heated my house without the grid before. In the fall I go out in the
morning and pick up a bundle of sticks to make a fire. It cleans up the forest,
gets me a little exercise and heats the house for no money.
Curt
Well, depending
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It can be done but it is a whole lot easier and cleaner to use a natural
gas furnace if you live where the gas is available
Fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
That's fine on paper - but the EPA is making it really difficult to
get _any_ new generators built. Around here they have been trying
to add base-load capacity but either can't or
can't-because-it's-to-expensive.
And that's why many utilities will pay you money to
On 11/08/2014 6:21 PM, Tim Crone via Mercedes wrote:
On Aug 11, 2014 2:22 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
I think there was also a state rebate of some sort that was a matter of
controversy, in addition to the fed rebate.
My manager just leased a Leaf for $278/month,
On 11/08/2014 6:40 PM, Fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.
Randy wrote:
If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get
electric vehicles, your electric
, August 11, 2014 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
Curt Raymond wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.
Randy wrote:
If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get
electric vehicles, your
On 12/08/2014 6:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
That's fine on paper - but the EPA is making it really difficult to
get _any_ new generators built. Around here they have been trying
to add base-load capacity but either can't or
Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.
And Curt didn't put $2000 down when he bought the Jetta, although I think he has
more than $2k in it now.
At the very least, when mentioning lease payments you need to
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On 11/08/2014 6:40 PM, Fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him
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Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.
And Curt didn't put $2000 down when he bought the Jetta, although I think he
has
more
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:44:12 -0500 Fmiser via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
And there is the issue with solar - and wind. It can never be a
significant fraction of the base load generators because it isn't
dependable. Nor can it be used for on-demand peak load.
Any electrical power
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Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.
And Curt didn't put $2000 down when he bought the Jetta, although I think he has
more than $2k in it now.
At the very least, when mentioning lease payments
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:44:12 -0500 Fmiser via Mercedes
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And there is the issue with solar - and wind. It can never be a
significant fraction of the base load
And the have ICE COLD AIR, too!
Dan bugs on the back window
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On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.
And we all know that old 240D's are
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Curt Raymond wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive
On 12/08/2014 3:30 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:
I'd like to see nuclear construction get started again
LarryT
Yeah, with some cut price offshore contractors and maybe that cement
from China that they used in that bridge on the west coast.
Randy
On 8/11/2014 9:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
(snip)
A buddy does have a nice Porsche 944 Turbo for sale that is sorely tempting
me though . . . . .
Ah these are lovely cars, perfectly balanced. They have humbled many a
911. Lots of mods available and websites
No Randy, more like the French model, using a proven standardized design
capable of efficiently and safely providing decades of power. If we also
followed their example and re-processed our fuel rods, the radioactive
waste left after 20 years of generating power for a family of four would
fit in
Well, one can hope, but my fear is that we get the Chinese concrete, so
that some MBA business character can cut costs and award himself a big
bonus at year end.
Randy
On 12/08/2014 5:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
No Randy, more like the French model, using a proven standardized
Exactly, and continuous critical oversight so long as private industry
is owning and running the plants. Here's an example of what can happen
when a power companies bottom line overrules all else:
Craig wrote:
Any electrical power grid MUST have non-solar, non-wind resources
available to immediately cover what wind and/or solar provide or it will
be unstable and will crash.
...
We do need something to meet demand now or our economy will fall apart.
Planning and design is a mess today
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Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
42 mpg does not sound
I'm really loving my smart ForTwo ED. It's solid and fun.
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On Aug 11, 2014, at 13:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into
John wrote:
I'm really loving my smart ForTwo ED. It's solid and fun.
Maybe someday it will turn into W123 status and I can enjoy the drive also.
mao
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The BMW Isetta, a little smaller than the Smart For Two, was lots of fun
in the '50s and '60s. It would probably have been more popular and more
widely sold with a bigger engine. One was hit from behind at an
intersection and went airborne; landed across the street on the
sidewalk. Minor
Long drop/extension cord? ;)
Wilton
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At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday
I'm not at all adversed to an electric vehicle, and my commute would be perfect
for one. I have a problem with the up front costs.
How much was it?
Dan
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On Aug 11, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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At the Nissan dealership to
List price right at $30k.
-Curt
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I'm not at all adversed to an electric vehicle
Saw something the other day about the various gummint(i.e.,
taxpayer)-funded rebates and such, that some state was going to do away
with them because most were going to people who made over $100k/yr and
it had been determined that that was Just Not Right.
YMMV (or I guess, Your Electricity
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
Saw something the other day about the various gummint(i.e.,
taxpayer)-funded rebates and such, that some state was going to do away
with them because most were going to people who made over $100k/yr and
it had been determined that that was Just Not Right.
YMMV
I think there was also a state rebate of some sort that was a matter of
controversy, in addition to the fed rebate.
--R
On 8/11/14 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
Saw something the other day about the various gummint(i.e.,
taxpayer)-funded rebates
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I'm not at all adversed to an electric vehicle, and my commute would be
perfect for one. I have a problem with the up front costs.
How much was it?
Dan
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A friend's wife bought one of the little Ford hybrids. Cannot recall the
exact name.
He says it does amazing on fuel if one tries. His wife has a bit of a
heavy foot and does not do as well in day to day driving as he does if
he takes it somewhere and tries to get good mileage.
Maybe not quite
On 11/08/2014 12:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into letting
us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car. I know you old bastards all hate
anything new and different but you need to go out and try one.
Yes its small but the
How does the Leaf handle heating and AC?
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
On 11/08/2014 12:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into
letting us drive the Nissan Leaf
That's why you make all the hydro to ship down to us.
Dan
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On Aug 11, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
On 11/08/2014 12:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into
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That's why you make all the hydro to ship down to us.
Dan
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On Aug 11, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
On 11/08/2014 12:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:34:18 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
IF, all of you folks down south of the border were to get electric
vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to handle the load.
Yes, indeed.
Craig
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Randy wrote:
IF, all of you folks down south of the border were to get electric vehicles,
your electric grid would not be able to handle the load.
Let's try, okay?
Each of us okiebenz readers gotta commit to purchase EV, okay?
If we gotta go further - bus/cab/train/rental will do fine, I
On Aug 11, 2014 2:22 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
I think there was also a state rebate of some sort that was a matter of
controversy, in addition to the fed rebate.
My manager just leased a Leaf for $278/month, with a $2000 down payment
(paid in trade). He is very
Curt Raymond wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.
Randy wrote:
If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get
electric vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to handle
the
. At night the water flows back down and makes electricity. Essentially
a huge battery...
-Curt
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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 7:40 PM
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Curt Raymond wrote
I saw that Chevy is coming out with an all new Volt in Jan, or there
about. I was impressed with the design of the Volt drive train - but not
with the price, hence I didn't by one. The new one is rumored to be less
expensive - too bad that I've already purchased my (hopefully) last new
car.
A
The Lone Star State in the 70's oil embargo.They were annoyed with the NE users
of their oil, thus the bumper sticker.
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:14:51 -0500
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Curt Raymond wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.
Randy wrote:
If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get
electric vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to
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