Re: [MBZ] Starting in second - sigh

2006-01-26 Thread Desert Rat
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:56:45 -0500, you wrote: you wrote:US model diesels start in first Now after all the bandwidth that has been

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-26 Thread Marshall Booth
Woodlandtaylors wrote: Yes, All the non-turbo's I have start in second, as does my 1989 300CE as does my 1987 420SEL. The turbo's 300 CD, D SD I have all start in first gear and they have to climb out of the driveway when cold, when hot (normal operating temperature) climbing the drive in

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Dave M. wrote: Different years models have the 2nd gear start. My 1986 and 1990 300E's both started in second gear, and I believe all years did. My 1987 300D starts in first gear, and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread John Berryman
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 07:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Do you always floor them on take-off? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
no John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 07:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Do you always floor them on take-off? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread Werner Fehlauer
. Werner - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second Werner Fehlauer wrote: Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread OK Don
I just read my owners manual for the '90 300D 2.5, US. There is no mention of starting in second. It does have a bold warning that states: It is dangerous to shift the selector lever out of P od N is the engine speed is higher than idle speed. If your foot is not on the brake pedal, the car

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread Marshall Booth
John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 02:18 PM, Dave M. wrote: and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The Euro 124 w/2.5 diesel, owner's manual that I have mentions the 2nd gear start and I have driven US

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread John Berryman
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 09:54 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall My new 86 190D 2.5 Euro definitely starts in 2nd unless I put my foot into it a little further. I'll give it to you verbatim from the 124 Euro manual

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread OK Don
So the breaking point is either pre/post '90, euro/US, or both. On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 09:54 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall My new 86 190D 2.5 Euro

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread Marshall Booth
Marshall Booth wrote: John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 02:18 PM, Dave M. wrote: and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The Euro 124 w/2.5 diesel, owner's manual that I have mentions the 2nd gear start and I

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread John Berryman
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:38 PM, OK Don wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall Come to think of it my 84 2.2 started in 1st every time. The PO had the trans rebuilt and it worked great. People could be installing shift kits that force a 1st

Re: [MBZ] Starting in Second

2006-01-25 Thread Donald Snook
Marshall wrote: In the early '90s Mercedes saw the error of their ways and allowed the gas transmissions to start in 1st. Cars built a year or two before 1st gear starts became standard COULD be converted (it was NOT a cheap conversion - required that the valve body be removed and some

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread l02turner
] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned start out in 2nd and the W126

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread Woodlandtaylors
PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned start out in 2nd

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-25 Thread Peter T . Arnold
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:56:45 -0500, you wrote: you wrote:US model diesels start in first Now after all the bandwidth that has been spent on this issue the last few days, I've started to get confused as to how my car was starting. So, this morning I paid particular attention. I started the

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second - sigh

2006-01-25 Thread Tim C
I recommend ATE Super Amber. I'm not sure what's optimum for the in-dash indicators though. T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread Jim Cathey
From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do this? If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st? Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too? It may have been emissions

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread John Berryman
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote: From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread Desert Rat
US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned start out in 2nd and the W126 diesels started out in 1st. For further clarification, check your specific owners manual. On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. Werner - Original Message - From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second US model diesels start

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread Desert Rat
PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned start out

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread Kevin
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:37:43PM -0500, Werner Fehlauer wrote: Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. I didn't think it was supposed to. Granted, that is a 722.4 and not a 722.3, but the 87 300D and TD I have both start from first. K

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread Dave M.
-- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:40:34 -0800 From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second OK, but the question specific was to a US model W126 gas model. I know nuttin' about W124's or Euro anything! On 1/24/06, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread Werner Fehlauer
: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joe Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second Different years models have the 2nd gear start. My 1986 and 1990 300E's both started in second gear, and I believe all years did. My

Re: [MBZ] Starting in second

2006-01-24 Thread Marshall Booth
Donald Snook wrote: From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is why they are little slow off the line. A few questions? Why did Mercedes do this? If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st? Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too? It