and joe sixpack doesn't have the slightest idea how to diagnose or fix,
so he takes it to a stealer, who charges him thousands for swapping in
parts that weren't needed until they put in a new cluster if that is
where said board resides. or $ to solve a problem that would
cost the
In fairness, digital electronics systems aren't that easy to diagnose,
especially without the special (dealer) test equipment. Even with the test
equipment, many pros end up swapping the wrong part$ (or so I hear). There's
no substitute for experience.
The airbag light in my 08 Outback
Yes the older Saturns were remarkably good cars. They feel cheap as hell but
they just keep ticking. Kari’s has about 155K and she’s changed the oil
religiously every 3K miles since new. She wants to get a few years old BMW X3
and will probably just keep the Saturn which will then do winter
60-70k miles, roughly.
And 19 years is considerably more than 6.
Rick
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subaru
> On December 4, 2018 at 9:39 AM Rick Knoble
> On December 4, 2018 at 9:39 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> I am not sure of the maintenance interval on the Sub timing belt. The belt
> was a Mitsuboshi (not Mitsubishi) and I believe it was factory.
I think that Aussie indy link I found had 100kkm-125kkm or 5-6 years.
90kmi
I am not sure of the maintenance interval on the Sub timing belt. The belt was
a Mitsuboshi (not Mitsubishi) and I believe it was factory.
Rick
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> On December 4, 2018 at 12:44 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> wrote:
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>
> Mitch inquires:
>
> >Bearing failure or maintenance failure?
>
> Bearing failure. It has 92k miles, so I suspect that it sat for some time.
Subaru recommends belt replacement and bearing inspection. So I guess it's
Word to the wise: replace the idler when you replace the stupid
cheapa$$ timing belt.
I was told that when I got my first VW Wabbit (with a trashed head
because the stupid cheapa$$ timing belt broke)
Same advise for serp belts, especially if you travel in not so good
areas (or freeways in
Mitch inquires:
>Bearing failure or maintenance failure?
Bearing failure. It has 92k miles, so I suspect that it sat for some time.
Rick
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> On December 3, 2018 at 11:18 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Wasn't it Saturn that Hurst railed against for fitting a crappy oiler that
> resulted in chain failure?
The first US built cars with the Ecotec engine were the 2000 Saturn L series.
Midway through 2003 they put
Hahaha
Bob R
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite
> reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
yes, it was a Saturn the fats crushed.
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 10:18 PM:
Wasn't it Saturn that Hurst railed against for fitting a crappy oiler that
resulted in chain failure?
Curt
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I pay a guy to do the belts on my VW, $800 well spent on the '05, that price
includes a water pump and coolant swap.
Curt
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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Peter Frederick via
Mercedes wrote: I don't know, my neighbors had a Volvo
240 with 250k on it and
Wasn't it Saturn that Hurst railed against for fitting a crappy oiler that
resulted in chain failure?
Curt
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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 6:48 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes
wrote: Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain.
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at
Once you get out of greater LA it's a long run down to San Diego,short of a
Tesla nothing pure electric will make it...
Curt
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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Mitch Haley via
Mercedes wrote:
> On December 3, 2018 at 8:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>
> On December 3, 2018 at 10:36 PM Dimitri via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite
> reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now.
My '07 Ion only has 219k on the odo. That'll fix her up for another five years.
Mitch.
That's pretty cool. Tell her to hold out until 2025 when well cared for
Saturns will be worth 6 figures.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:36 PM Dimitri wrote:
> Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite
> reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite
reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now.
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Kari drives a SATURN??
>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:48 PM Dimitri via Mercedes
>> wrote:
>>
I don't know, my neighbors had a Volvo 240 with 250k on it and what appears to
have been the original belt.
Just have to change them when they are due.
I've had a few cars with them, and the only real issue was a defective
tensioner that flew apart on my Audi Fox in the middle of the night in
Kari drives a SATURN??
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:48 PM Dimitri via Mercedes
wrote:
> Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I like timing chains, especially dual
Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain.
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts are
> for POS
>
>
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM:
>> I am
I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts
are for POS
Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM:
I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in
my garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh.
Rick
> On December 3, 2018 at 7:49 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the
> Toyota Camry.
They do like their Toyodas, don't they?
The one next door drives a Xbox and a Taco. No, scratch that, when the
transmission
I just had the timing belt replaced in the Golf -- found out a friend has the
tools, but too late for getting it done before my big trip to SC for
Thanksgiving. Pretty expensive, but well worth not trashing the engine on a
trip.
Now I'm waiting to replace a rear wheel bearing until I can find
Bearing failure or maintenance failure?
Most timing belt issues are maintenance failures, but I remember a friend of
mine complaining that her 87 Escort broke its belt at 35k miles and less than a
year of almost all freeway driving. Yes you're right, that's not normal, but
the warranty expired
Bob sez:
>Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy?
I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in my
garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh.
Rick
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> On December 3, 2018 at 8:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
> The only time the Prius would do better is sitting in traffic...
I thought there were two styles of freeway commuting in SoCal, HOV lanes and
"sitting in traffic".
A frisky E-mobile like a Spark or a Bolt excels at both.
Maybe recently but for a couple decades if you wanted a boring toaster of a
car you bought a Camry or for something slightly "sporty" an Accord.
The Prius is more for those who want a smug toaster...
A guy I work with has a Prius and drives from San Diego to LA for work, thats
like 100 miles
But Prius is more gay than Camry.
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the Toyota
> Camry. I wonder if thats offset by men owning those, sure seems like a lot of
> lesbians
They must be a hot item out there. Maybe I should sell you your old cars back.
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I had had two w124s and a w123 sold while I literally on my way to see them.
> Then there was a week or 10 day dry spell and
Probably you can put 10,000 miles on the Subaru and sell it for nearly what
you paid for it too. The big depreciation is done, it probably won't decline
much now.I was considering one as a replacement for my Jetta but I can't
stomach the mileage hit. They're mostly rated <30mpg, I can't handle
https://www.npr.org/2016/10/19/498504383/how-a-revolutionary-ad-campaign-helped-to-turn-around-subaru
-D
> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I was waiting for that….
>
> If anyone wants to read a really good story on targeted marketing, study up
> on how
I suppose that makes sense. I love girls.
Bob R
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the Toyota
> Camry. I wonder if thats offset by men owning those, sure seems like a
I had had two w124s and a w123 sold while I literally on my way to see them.
Then there was a week or 10 day dry spell and needed wheels. My thought on this
2004 Outback is I’ll drive it some, get it reasonably sorted while searching
for a w123 or a w124. Then I’ll have the Subi sitting in the
I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the Toyota
Camry. I wonder if thats offset by men owning those, sure seems like a lot of
lesbians drive a Subaru wagon. We're friends with a lesbian couple that has one
and a Volvo wagon, I tease them for being "driving
I was waiting for that….
If anyone wants to read a really good story on targeted marketing, study up on
how Subaru purposefully targeted the lesbian community after they discovered
their products were popular with them (after their marketing people couldn’t
get the products off the ground with
Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile.
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> You bought and outback? Yuk
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there anyone among us
Yup - I miss-read Don't as Don …
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Look closer. I quoted Kleb.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
> wrote:
> >
> > Wrong Okie - that was Kleb doing the shaming.
> >
> > On Mon,
Look closer. I quoted Kleb.
-D
> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
> Wrong Okie - that was Kleb doing the shaming.
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey! Don’t be brand shaming. This is what Bob got
Wrong Okie - that was Kleb doing the shaming.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Hey! Don’t be brand shaming. This is what Bob got after trying hard to
> find a nice W124/W123 without a lot of luck. He made the effort.
>
> Consider it an
Hey! Don’t be brand shaming. This is what Bob got after trying hard to find a
nice W124/W123 without a lot of luck. He made the effort.
Consider it an Asian 240D.
-D
> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> You bought and outback? Yuk
>
> Sent from my
Well, I own a 2017 Subaru Legacy, but have done nothing except air the
tires and check the oil on it so far. I did work for a Subaru dealer in
1971 or '72 as a factory trained mechanic, but haven't touched one since.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:08 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
You bought and outback? Yuk
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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and this
> 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes:
I think the reason given for why they backed out from selling cars
with the new diesel engine in the USA was the usual--our screwy
emissions laws, especially in California.
Yes, that's why. They don't want to import cars that they can't sell
More specifically the laws require that Subaru make a California emissions
model in a certain percentage in order to be eligible to market them in the
whole country so they say F you USA.
At least that is what I have heard...
Mike
On Jul 1, 2013 10:01 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Speaking of Diesels, Subaru started making a 4-cylinder boxer Diesel a few
years ago but it was not imported into the US. I was wondering if anyone
on
the list had any information or experience with this Subaru Diesel.
I bet the moment they get something diesel that can compete with Volkswagen
mpg for the TDI, they will start importing it. I'd certainly give it a look.
Bob R
On Jun 29, 2013 10:30 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Scott Ritchey
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
I bet the moment they get something diesel that can compete with Volkswagen
mpg for the TDI, they will start importing it. I'd certainly give it a
look.
May never happen. Subarus always seem to get a little worse
COOL! Now if only it were coming to the US next year for $5K got 75mpg and
came in an AWD minivan...
Levi (:
Ahh, dreams...
On 1/4/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://news.hspn.com/articles/793/3/Subaru-at-The-2006-Paris-Motorshow/Page3.html
Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
Subaru to make world's first boxer turbodiesel
Also take a look at:
www.dieselair.com
www.thielert.com
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