, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas
I'm with you, steam is probably a better choice but I've got neither a
steam boiler nor steam engine.
Do you have links on converting an IC engine to be a steam engine? I've
never seen
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:04:48 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
I think that 'steam' is not a good idea. It's corrosive and nasty. I'd
rather see a closed cycle system with something else, like some variety
of freon, as a working fluid.
How about a Sterling engine? They can use gasses
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Look up nunnikoven (or something like that) in the 74-79 time period.
He did all this (except Auburn and maybe bonneville) almost 40 years ago. Of
course, many did it during WWII. Ninnikoven sold kits.
merkuns are too impatient for the system
Smith
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Look up nunnikoven (or something like that) in the 74-79 time
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For that application, off in the woods / survival cabin, seems to me a steam
engine running a generator would be more efficient and much less
and in a 30 day period
only burn 3 face cords.
Pretty neat stuff!
Todd Smith
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Todd,
Just out of curiosity, are you familiar with the Garn system of heating
water?
Dan
it goes very long off topic of making WoodGas)
Todd
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My former partner who built
as to what I would
do if I did.
Manfred
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
What happened to the American free market mentality? Nobody got
a set
anymore to grab hold of an idea and run it to market with their
own money?
Gotta stand with your had
probably explains my naive proclamation as to what I would do if I
did.
Manfred
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
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What happened to the American free market mentality? Nobody got a set
anymore to grab hold of an idea and run it to market
naive proclamation as to what I would do if I
did.
Manfred
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
What happened to the American free market mentality? Nobody got a set
anymore to grab hold of an idea and run it to market with their own
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 08:51 AM, G Mann wrote:
Damn, Ferdand Porsche said it best Leaders make decisions, committees only
discuss problems
I like that quote!
Allan
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clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
I am re-reading Atlas Shrugged. Just makes the skin crawl how far
down the road of complete incompetence the nation and world have gone.
Very much like reading Revelations during the apocalypse.
Next read The Law by Frederick Bastiat, followed by How to
Heinlein is superb.
clay
On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Max wrote:
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
I am re-reading Atlas Shrugged. Just makes the skin crawl how far
down the road of complete incompetence the nation and world have gone.
Very much like reading Revelations during
Max wrote:
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
I am re-reading Atlas Shrugged. Just makes the skin crawl how far
down the road of complete incompetence the nation and world have gone.
Very much like reading Revelations during the apocalypse.
Next read The Law by Frederick Bastiat,
Interesting forum at this site as well:
http://www.steamcar.net/phorum.html
Gerry
From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com
Would this be what some are looking for?
http://www.steamcar.net/steam-engine-for-sale.html
Manfred
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it would be more or less impossible given the scale of my dream. :-)
Manfred
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:51:20 -0700
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Nothing
Grant wrote:
Are there no real men left who are not enslaved
by PC , womens lip and government by regulation rather than legislation?
Hey - take it to banned - womens er, umm...
Nice, but only at banned, puleez.
mao
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Excellent find in both cases !
Thank you. Once again I am impressed with the skill and effort of this
group.
Both steam engines AND boilers sized to the engines with a selection of HP
size to chose from... can it get any better than that... I note the prices
posted are actually very comparable
: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Nothing personal intended in my comment below, it was meant as an
expression of the cumulative lack of balls now shown by American business
and Americans in general. Are there no real men left who are not enslaved
by PC , womens lip and government
Found nothing related under nunnikoven/nunnikhoven on Google. This is
old technology, but this farmer seems to have made improvements.
I would think that a DIYer with a wood supply might be willing to put up
with the extra time and trouble of wood gas in order to save several
thousand
dollars
One of my former business partners was convinced the world economy is going to
collapse shortly. As a part of that paranoia, he heavily researched the wood
gas thing and went far enough as to build a complete wood gas generator on a
small single axle trailer he could tow behind his pickup
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:41:14 -0500
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Loren is right. By law a refiner cannot ship fuel or (anything else) by tanker
ship from one US port to another
legislation, we need the stupid
legislation removed.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:58:52 -0500
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occasional
electricity when I escape to there. We've got lots of trash wood I wouldn't
mind using up while encouraging the good stuff to grow.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:43:20 -0400
From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
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On Apr 19, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
That helps to make sense of our fuel prices and why people are all so fired
up about Keystone...
Most of that oil would be refined and the petrol products sold overseas, with
current legislation in place.
So what we
The companies doing the drilling are multinational. The last guy that tried
telling them he wanted to keep resources within his country's borders was some
dude named Fidel Castro. The country was Cuba. Some might say things did not
work out so well there since he did that.
-Dave Walton
On Apr
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Found nothing related under nunnikoven/nunnikhoven on Google. This is
old technology, but this farmer seems
up while encouraging the good stuff to grow.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:43:20 -0400
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Found nothing related under nunnikoven/nunnikhoven on Google. This is
old technology
a higher price? Wouldn't you be angry if
somebody told YOU that?
-Curt
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:41:14 -0500
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to grow.
-Curt
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on the difficulties of distribution
and sales.
Would have been better written as; My Grandfather ran a 2 1/2 ton
truck on wood gas during war.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:05:54 -0400
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars
long.
I guess in the winter time a peltier device would be the best solution ;)
-Curt
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:03:01 -0700
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If you observe sound construction and safety values you should have no
problem. A decent steam system will have
be the best solution ;)
-Curt
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about it.
Manfred
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:28:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
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Isn't that technically socialism or something? Doesn't that
violate the conservative ethic to tell somebody You've got this
product
Nope, not the last guy - Chavez did it recently, and now Argentina is about
to do the same thing.
Last I knew, we don't like countries that do that.
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
The companies doing the drilling are multinational. The last guy that
to grow.
-Curt
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For that application, off in the woods / survival cabin, seems to me a
steam engine running a generator would
one ground like that
it should work just fine. The only other problem I can see is the
steam bypassing the rings and valve guide seals and causing
problems with the oil.
Manfred
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas
Would this be what some are looking for?
http://www.steamcar.net/steam-engine-for-sale.html
Manfred
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The cost per kW is pretty much in line for small generators with reciprocating
engines...
Dan
On Apr 19, 2012, at 12:48 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Would this be what some are looking for?
http://www.steamcar.net/steam-engine-for-sale.html
Manfred
G Mann wrote:
For that application, off in the woods / survival cabin, seems
to me a steam engine running a generator would be more
efficient and much less complicated to maintain.
Why not cut the energy
transfer to bare minimum and burn wood [plentiful in your
situation] and heat water
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Isn't that technically socialism or something? Doesn't that violate the
conservative ethic to tell somebody You've got this product but you can
only sell it here at a lower price rather than outside the US where you can
get
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes:
'Cause when you are done with a batch of wood in the generator,
you have charcoal!
Which you could then burn to make more wood gas and more charcoal. So
it's not totally a waste product.
I like the idea of a steam engine more myself, though it requires a
water
encouraging the good stuff to grow.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:43:20 -0400
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From: Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Isn't that technically socialism or something? Doesn't that violate the
conservative ethic to tell somebody You've got this product but you can
only sell it here at a lower price
Supposedly you can grind it up and put it in your garden. The greenie weenies
call it biochar.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:38:17 -0500
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Like Allan, my preference would be a steam engine.
The engine technology for steam engines in cars is
quite advanced (see below), but I haven't found
much on the production of steam, using wood,
which would be practical in a car or pickup.
There's no doubt that either wood gas or steam
would have
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes:
'Cause when you are done with a batch of wood in the generator,
you have charcoal!
Which you could then burn to make more wood gas and more charcoal. So
it's not totally a waste product.
I like the idea of a steam engine more myself, though it requires a
A wood gas rig might work better as a trailer since you need the whole bed
of the truck to fit all the bits. I can see it now, 100,000 cars at rush
hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away,
hahahhaha... a the wave of the future... talking on the cell, sipping
your
I saw that in Terminator
--R
On 4/18/12 10:59 AM, G Mann wrote:
I can see it now, 100,000 cars at rush
hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away,
hahahhaha... a the wave of the future...
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I looked into this a couple years ago to run a generator at camp since we've
got lots of wood and it seems VERY complicated. The other issue is how much
wood you can haul along on your trip. Wood is not energy dense compared to oil.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:23:24 -0400
From: Gerry
If you get a chance, buy the magazine or look it up on the 'net next month
since it
might be there by then. This farmer seems to have simplified the whole
process.
The earlier versions turned me off too considering their complexity.
He describes a fairly long trip he made and apparently took
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A wood gas rig might work better as a trailer since you need the
whole bed
of the truck to fit all the bits. I can see it now, 100,000 cars
at rush
hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away,
hahahhaha
Look up nunnikoven (or something like that) in the 74-79 time period.
He did all this (except Auburn and maybe bonneville) almost 40 years
ago. Of course, many did it during WWII. Ninnikoven sold kits.
merkuns are too impatient for the system to generate gas. They have
been trained to
Dieselhead wrote:
Look up nunnikoven (or something like that) in the 74-79 time period. He
did all this (except Auburn and maybe bonneville) almost 40 years ago.
Of course, many did it during WWII. Ninnikoven sold kits.
merkuns are too impatient for the system to generate gas. They have
There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done
by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as
transmission filters.
I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the
companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd
There was a war on wood gas? Was this just a California thing, or was
it nationwide or worldwide?
--R
On 4/18/12 7:19 PM, MG wrote:
My Grandfather ran a 2 1/2 ton truck during the war on wood gas.
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Doesn't sound much like a free market approach to me --
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by
congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as
transmission filters.
nope! Congresscritters don't mix with free market. (or the
constitution for that matter)
Doesn't sound much like a free market approach to me --
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done
Loren is right. By law a refiner cannot ship fuel or (anything else) by tanker
ship from one US port to another US port (IE from Gulf Coast refiners to East
Coast distribution points) unless it is carried by a domestically owned,
domestically built, and domestically crewed. There are a few.
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