Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-13 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
The write up is interesting, but I don't think his method of replacement is very good. Not pop testing to check the opening pressure is a real shortcut. He also shows leaking injectors because he didn't adequately clean the mating surfaces. I use a piece of glass and fine sandpaper to make sure

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Scott Ritchey
] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover Jaime, What do you use for a pop tester? Also, did you get an assortment of shims or do you just buy them as needed? Dan On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Kopchinski

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 12, 2012 10:23 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: consider that you can get a whole set of new Bosch injectors from Rusty for about the same price. Not sure whether it is true, but conventional wisdom on the NectarineBits forums has it that new Bosch injectors are made in

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Dan Penoff
set of new Bosch injectors from Rusty for about the same price. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Randy Bennell
On 12/07/2012 1:27 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Yeah, that's my position as far as investing in something like a pop tester. I would consider what my local Bosch injection house charges to clean and adjust and compare it to both the expense and the amount of my time it would take. I don't work

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Dan Penoff
If I had the space to store it, fine, but unfortunately, I don't. Dan who went from 4000 SF to 2400 SF and is still feeling the pain On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: But the whole idea is to collect another tool even if you only ever use it the once.

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Curt Raymond
: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover Message-ID: B4F01F68A99C4217B7F7F6B59D84D888@ScottPC Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I bought a Chinese knock off of a pop tester, maybe 10-15 years ago. Looks

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Scott Ritchey
: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover If I had the space to store it, fine, but unfortunately, I don't. Dan who went from 4000 SF to 2400 SF and is still feeling the pain On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
I just bought the kit from Mercedes Source... it worked well out of the box. They also sell an assortment of shims in a kit. Since I knew I'd be doing multiple cars it was worthwhile. Jaime On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Jaime, What do you use for a pop

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
I agree... over the years I've had several bad experiences with Bosch rebuilds. I recall putting a set in a euro 300D: a bad miss on one cylinder... the injector was way out. After that experience, I would bring the rebuilt Bosch units to my local diesel shop to be tested and matched before I

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-12 Thread Dan Penoff
My local Bosch injection shop used to test and calibrate injectors to +/- 2.0 bar for around $25 each. Not sure if that price is still valid, but for the amount I didn't think it was bad. And yes, getting them that close together in opening pressures made for a very smooth idle and ramp-up as

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-11 Thread Randy Bennell
Anyone tried it themselves with the setup offered by Mercedesource? Converted hydraulic jack and a case of various shims? If one did, what would the best means of cleaning them be? Ultrasonic setup of some sort? Or just soak in purge etc? Randy On 10/07/2012 8:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-11 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
I've done a few sets now... I soak the parts in the paint-bucket-carb-cleaner you can buy at parts store. It does a great job. I've had great results with my rebuilds... very happy with the stuff from Mercedes source to make jobs like this possible for the average DIY guy. Jaime On Wed, Jul

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-11 Thread Dan Penoff
Jaime, What do you use for a pop tester? Also, did you get an assortment of shims or do you just buy them as needed? Dan On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I've done a few sets now... I soak the parts in the paint-bucket-carb-cleaner you can buy at parts

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-10 Thread Curt Raymond
, 9 Jul 2012 19:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover Message-ID: 1341887304.74577.yext-apple-iph...@web125104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So how

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-10 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and adjusted). Call around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that can do it. http://www.jgparks.com/ Rick Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread andrew strasfogel
Recycle the dirty fuel and change both filters. Pour the unused purge directly into the gas tank. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's leftover. It seems to have some floating debris.

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
So the diesel purge didn't work wonders and yes I changed both filters after the purge. My car still shudders while accelerating. It used to idle roughly and stumble after long drives such as from Boston to DC. I haven't taken it on a long drive yet as I just performed the purge. Does this

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Andrew, do you filter through a coffee filter? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:45 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Recycle the dirty fuel and change both filters. Pour the unused purge directly into the gas tank. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread OK Don
One can of Purge might not clean very dirty injectors. Drive it like you stole it, then do another can. Some injector issues cannot be cured by Purge - they have to be rebuilt. How to tell when? I don't know --- On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: So the

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Some injector issues cannot be cured by Purge - they have to be rebuilt. How to tell when? I don't know --- Well, if the Diesel Purge doesn't resolve the problem... you know. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
So now the dilemma... to re-purge or not to re-purge? Realistically, how long can injectors go between rebuilds? My car has 240K-ish miles and I'm doubtful that injectors have been replaced. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: One can of Purge

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread Curt Raymond
mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover Message-ID: CANZcij-oh8_482Xu9m+JZYmC3JdjRKL3=00p6xinmkyvabo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One can of Purge might not clean very dirty injectors. Drive it like you stole it, then do another can

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
smaller puff of smoke on startup. The biggest improvement was probably changing the fuel filters. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:09:58 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover Message-ID: CANZcij-oh8_482Xu9m

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
improvement was probably changing the fuel filters. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:09:58 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover Message-ID: CANZcij-oh8_482Xu9m+JZYmC3JdjRKL3=00p6xinmkyvabo...@mail.gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

2012-07-09 Thread Max Dillon
Any injector with more than 100k miles is suspect. Purge is cheaper and easier and won't hurt. Personally I'd get a set if rebuilt injectors from Q. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Diesel-electric hybrid wins LeMans

2012-06-18 Thread Allan Streib
Audi has had diesels in the Le Mans race for at least few years now I think. They usually do very well. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: http://news.yahoo.com/audi-e-tron-first-hybrid-win-le-mans-174003511.html I think Mercedes had some engines in the race. Audi is

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Gerry Archer
Without getting into a discussion that could rival oil and tires, consider that if diesel smoke caused as much disease as various interests imply, there would be a well defined epidemic; especially in major air polluted cities. The reason there isn't may be because the lungs have their own

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Gerry Archer
Many years ago the veterinary research lab where I worked got it's own shipment of cancer prone mice. So many substances gave these mice cancer that one of the employees bet another that plain old horse sh*t would also give them cancer. It was tested and he won the bet. Since then I've often

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Rusty Cullens
Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Archer Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says Many years ago the veterinary research

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Larry T
$100,000 a year 40 years ago just to do this. Nice. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Archer Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Gerry Archer
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says Many years ago the veterinary research lab where I worked got it's own shipment of cancer prone mice. So many substances gave these mice cancer that one of the employees bet another that plain old horse sh*t would also

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Rich Thomas
I don't know whether diesel exhaust causes lung cancer or not, but it is sorta reasonable to think that inhaling nasty stuff does not do you any good. Diesel particulates are/have nasty stuff, so not surprising. It is pretty clear that for those who have lung cancer, cigarettes are the

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Rusty Cullens
Of course we all know people whom we can cite anecdotally who did all the right things, and still developed a cancer and died, but those folks are still sort of a smallish subset of all. I have friends who fell in that category for no rhyme or reason. Then there are those who eat

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Rich Thomas
A doc at MDAnderson, who specialized in brain cancer, got brain cancer himself at an age something like that. He died after operations and treatments and such, and had a very good attitude about it all as a learning/teaching experience, was chronicled in the paper occasionally. One of my

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
We can't control our genes yet. Glioblastoma in adults is more aggressive and almost uniformly lethal. The juvenile version confers a much better prognosis. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Of course we all know people whom we

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread Allan Streib
Same thing happened to a high school friend of mine. No prior symptoms, fell over unconscious one day, diagnosed brain cancer, died in a few months. Pretty sad, I think he was only 17. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 02:28 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: A doc at MDAnderson, who specialized in brain

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-13 Thread G Mann
On that note, I've noticed that location is very important. For example, in California, nearly everything is labeled that it causes cancer. However, if you drive South a couple hours to Mexico, the same materials are easily purchased and recommended for consumption. Definition: Elephant. A

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Randy Bennell
I shouldn't think that would come as any real surprise to most folks. Unfortunately, it is just another item on a long list of things that we ought not to breath into our lungs. Randy On 12/06/2012 12:19 PM, Dan Elliott wrote: This seems relevant for those owning older diesels such as

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Allan Streib
Does anything NOT cause cancer anymore? Waiting for the study in 5 years, after all diesel engines made prior to 2008 have been siezed in a cash for smokers government mandate, that says, oh well, now it looks like it doesn't cause cancer after all. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Allan Streib
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: I shouldn't think that would come as any real surprise to most folks. Unfortunately, it is just another item on a long list of things that we ought not to breath into our lungs. Now take your lips off that exhaust pipe!! -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Brian Toscano
You mean breathing gasoline exhaust does not cause cancer? On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Does anything NOT cause cancer anymore? Waiting for the study in 5 years, after all diesel engines made prior to 2008 have been siezed in a cash for

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Interesting about the bladder CA. The well known causes of bladder CA are cigarette smoking, aniline dye exposure from the printing industry and ascaris (worm infection- mostly Egypt). A lot of truckers who are those mostly exposed to Diesel are smokers. I wonder then if the study was

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Randy Bennell
Like the study a number of years ago that decided that drinking coffee caused cancer. They later acknowledged that a lot of the folks who drank a lot of coffee also smoked at the same time. Randy who is more worried about the drivers behind him crashing in the thick black smoke than he is

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Brian Toscano
People operating heavy duty diesel equipment like mining equipment or semis are subject to all sorts of things office workers would not be subject to, like quarry dust or vibration. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Like the study a number of years ago

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Elliott wrote: Existing vehicles without these modifications will take many years to be replaced, particularly in developed countries, where regulatory measures are less stringent, the IARC said. In developed countries? Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Curt Raymond
years to recover. I've been doing a little yoga and have regained some of my ability to bend which is improvement anyway. -Curt Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:52:07 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
which is improvement anyway. -Curt Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:52:07 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says Message-ID: 4fd78fd7.9060...@bennell.ca Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Jun 2012 13:52:07 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says Message-ID: 4fd78fd7.9060...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says Message-ID:4fd78fd7.9060...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I shouldn't think that would come as any real surprise to most folks. Unfortunately, it is just another item on a long

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Mountain Man
Brian wrote: ...subject to all sorts of things office workers would not be subject to, like quarry dust or vibration. Outlaw vibrators. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Dan Penoff
Especially the diesel driven ones. Dan On Jun 12, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Brian wrote: ...subject to all sorts of things office workers would not be subject to, like quarry dust or vibration. Outlaw vibrators. mao ___

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread rogerhga
Good day to all, In 1985 a study was conducted on airline personnel (stewards/stewardesses) on long Asian flights between the US and Japan, Hong Kong, and other points. All of these flights were many hours long and smoking was allowed on the planes. The study assumed that the flight personnel

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says

2012-06-12 Thread Frederick Moir
I love the smell of diesel in the morning. Apologies to Robert Duval in Apocalypse Now   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: roger...@comcast.net roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ

Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

2012-05-27 Thread Larry T
:05:38 -0400 From: Larry Tl02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again Message-ID:4f934b52.1090...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed During the Oil Analysis test, the viscosity it tested at 100C

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Battery replasement

2012-04-30 Thread alanc...@pacbell.net
He has an interesting website with repair info as well as videos on youtube Thanks On 4/6/12 12:15 PM, clay monroe wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9tRR-QjVjU pretty good clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo

Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

2012-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
just questions my data... -Curt Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:05:38 -0400 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again Message-ID: 4f934b52.1090...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

2012-04-22 Thread Brian Toscano
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again Message-ID: 4f934b52.1090...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed During the Oil Analysis test, the viscosity it tested at 100C. a 15W40 should test at 40W (not below

Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

2012-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond
was under the impression TBN was less important on diesels anyway. -Curt Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:29:13 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again Message-ID

Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

2012-04-22 Thread Brian Toscano
mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again Message-ID: cacncphkxswri7r7vxysjeulzwnhdjadgmgttey2l9k1pxuj...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Curt, I don't see any point in furthering the discussion since you do not test for TBN. Thanks

Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

2012-04-21 Thread Larry T
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again Message-ID: cacncphnznkvk28vp2fs4kf8p69guxoe+l5evy+6xxn4cmt7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Viscosity and TBN? On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-20 Thread Gerry Archer
Low gas prices may not last long: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304331204577352161288275978.html Gerry Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: Electric generation from natural gas generally serves a different purpose than coal. The coal is used for baseline which can take a week

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread Fmiser
Brian Toscano wrote: I have never heard of a turbo-supercharger except here. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger When power comes from an exhaust gas turbine a supercharger is known as a turbosupercharger - typically referred to simply as a turbocharger or just turbo. No, I did

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff
I like San Luis Obispo. Nice college town. Used to go there when I was working on the OTBH radar on Black Mountain outside of Atascadero. Dan On Apr 19, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread Dieselhead
If you go back and read aircraft literature from the 40s, you will see the equipment referred to turbosupercharger. in the postwar era, the super and or the supercharger parts of the word were commonly dropped in common use. I am sure the guys on the line in the war dropped the supercharger

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread Rich Thomas
Weren't some of those also compound turbo/super chargers -- an exhaust driven turbocharger pushing air into an engine-driven supercharger to get even more pressure at higher altitudes? I vaguely recall seeing something like that, maybe on the B-36? This entry does not specifically address

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread G Mann
Yes, the R-4360 is a turbo compound engine, with 4 rows of 9 cylinder radial engines stacked to make a very complicated engine. [two spark plugs per cylinder X 36 cylinders] The engine gear driven supercharger is compounded by turbocharger extracting energy from waste exhaust gas to compress air,

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread OK Don
Yup - marvelous engines! Dad's miniature radial engine, the Jacobs R755, used straight 50 wt. oil - 5 gallons in the tank. It was complicated enough without a turbo. On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the R-4360 is a turbo compound engine, with 4 rows of 9

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread WILTON
for them to pass out of earshot. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas? Yes, the R-4360 is a turbo compound engine, with 4 rows of 9

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff
...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas? Yes, the R-4360 is a turbo compound engine, with 4 rows of 9 cylinder radial engines stacked to make a very complicated engine. [two spark plugs per cylinder X

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread Randy Bennell
On 18/04/2012 7:11 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Diesels are best for heavy towing and towing at high altitudes and over mountains. Isn't Manitoba mostly flat prairie? How big of a boat will you be taking to the lake? :-) South Eastern Manitoba is fairly flat. Gets more ups and downs as one

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-19 Thread Dieselhead
South Eastern Manitoba is fairly flat. Gets more ups and downs as one approaches Ontario and much more rugged from the border into Kenora and then south to where we go. I don't move the boats from Winnipeg to the lake all that often. Mostly just from the cottage to the launch ramp so not really

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Fred Moir
Just make the bribe subtle and BIG enough, this is America after all. Cynical? Me? nah! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 4/18/2012 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday . Fuel America with fuel from America. Gotta figure out how to get CARB on board... -Curt

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Didn't the Germans do that in WW2? The fuel part I mean, though they probably could have handled CARB as well. --R On 4/18/12 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread G Mann
CARB is a sinking ship, let it sink and let's move forward. Grow a set America ! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread rogerhga
Guys, I've been preaching this for years. During WWII the Germans needed a source for diesel and couldn't get oil so they created diesel from natural gas. This was lost after the war and everyone could once again get oil. Then several years ago (6-10) one of the colleges on the Left Coast ran

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Randy Bennell
I think I want a diesel truck. I worry that I might be hard on it in the winter with short runs but I would really like to have one in the summer for the highway runs to the lake. So, educate me if you can. I think I want the Dodge with the Cummins. I know I don't want the Ford. I am not

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread OK Don
Yes, we should be doing this - a surplus of one resource, and a need for another - convert the gas to Diesel. However, the companies that will be doing this (unless the government nationalizes it) will be selling to the highest bidder - likely China, India, Brazel, etc. THERE IS NO US OIL - get

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think I want a diesel truck. I worry that I might be hard on it in the winter with short runs but I would really like to have one in the summer for the highway runs to the lake. We went through the same with the

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Curt Raymond
of ownership. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:16:16 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 4f8ee8d0.10...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think I want

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Randy Bennell
, it'll be more fun and realistically the fuel economy is a small portion of the overall cost of ownership. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:16:16 -0500 From: Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas? Message-ID:4f8ee8d0.10

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Max
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat gas to get to propane and such. I was reminded that there is apparently some process to turn natural gas into diesel

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Allan Streib
Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes: Better plan would be convert our gas cars to run on CNG. Except that requires huge new infrastructure in fueling stations and delivery, not just producing the vehicles. Same problem with hydrogen-fueled cars. Diesel works in the pumps and delivery systems

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Allan Streib
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: I think I want the Dodge with the Cummins. I know I don't want the Ford. I am not sure about a GM product. GM is an Isuzu. Ford is their own, I think. Cummins is... well, Cummins. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Max
OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, we should be doing this - a surplus of one resource, and a need for another - convert the gas to Diesel. However, the companies that will be doing this (unless the government nationalizes it) will be selling to the highest bidder - likely China, India, Brazel,

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Brian Toscano
I suspect that natural gas prices will rise in the future. They won't stay low forever. For the longest time coal was one of the cheapest ways to make power, but with emissions controls costing billions, and cheap natural gas - it can be economical for new plants to use natural gas. And that's

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Dave Walton
Oil prices are not market driven. Oil is not a free market. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, we should be doing this - a surplus of one resource, and a need for another - convert the gas to Diesel.

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or LNG from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Hendrik Fay
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2011/2011-02-22-091.html Some buses around here have been running on LNG for a long time now. I guess it all depends on cost, can they buy nat gas, convert it to Diesel and sell it for the same price as dino Diesel? At this stage I would think perhaps not,

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Brian Toscano
Diesels are best for heavy towing and towing at high altitudes and over mountains. Isn't Manitoba mostly flat prairie? How big of a boat will you be taking to the lake? :-) On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes:

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Dieselhead
No! Fischer Tropf was coal to Dissel and gasoline. Crude from coal yields several fractions similar to petro crude. Didn't the Germans do that in WW2? The fuel part I mean, though they probably could have handled CARB as well. --R On 4/18/12 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Big story on

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Fmiser
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat gas to get to propane and such. Max wrote: Better plan would be convert our gas cars to run on CNG. You

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Fmiser
Brian Toscano wrote: For the longest time coal was one of the cheapest ways to make power, but with emissions controls costing billions, and cheap natural gas - it can be economical for new plants to use natural gas. Electric generation from natural gas generally serves a different purpose

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Fmiser
Brian Toscano wrote: Diesels are best I'd say you can put a period right there. *smiles* for heavy towing and towing at high altitudes and over mountains. Huh? A supercharger is what deals with altitude. That can be fitted to almost any internal combustion engine. -- Philip

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Brian Toscano
How many supercharged trucks do you see going over the mountains towing heavy trailers? On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Toscano wrote: Diesels are best I'd say you can put a period right there. *smiles* for heavy towing and towing at high

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Brian Toscano
It is true that supercharged or turbocharged vehicles have more power at high altitude than naturally aspirated vehicles. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: How many supercharged trucks do you see going over the mountains towing heavy trailers? On

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Does my 82 240D have altitude adjustment? I know that my 220D doesn't. I drove it x country some years back and it didn't like the mountains through Colorado- no power and much smoke. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Toscano wrote: Diesels

Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Jim Cathey
But, the new ones are big. The earlier one made better mileage did it not? The 1996-1998.5 12-valve with the inline mechanical pump can get 25-26 mpg on the freeway at 58 MPH on stock tires, manual tranny. Nothing else can get quite that high, though my dad's 2002 (? maybe 2004) reportedly

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Jim Cathey
If they can make diesel they can also make gasoline. That's what they're doing with half the diesel they _could_ be making now. Cracking it to gasoline. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Brian Toscano
Certain parts of the country use gas fired plants for various reasons - sometimes purely for emissions, other times for periods of high demand. However, with today's current low and abundant natural gas, some power generators are replacing aging coal stations with natural gas. I don't think that

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

2012-04-18 Thread Allan Streib
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: Electric generation from natural gas generally serves a different purpose than coal. The coal is used for baseline which can take a week to startup. The natural gas is used for on-demand. Startup is less than an hour, as I recall. Can be just minutes, some

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