Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem
The one that welded itself to the race would still turn. When I jacked the car up it, the wheel had a lot of free play. The bearings fell out from behind the wheel when I pulled the wheel off the spindle. I had to split the race off with a chisel. This was my Wife's 1972 Torino - she drove the car when we dated when we were first married. I cleaned up the spindle re-assembled everything with a new bearing from that day on, I could not adjust all of the free play out of the tire. There was so little play between the race spindle that I could not feel it by hand but I could feel the play when amplified across the face of the tire. We sold the car to a friend of her's when the car reached 270,000 miles. Her friend took it well past 300,000 miles. It had a 302 (5 liter) engine with a 2 barrel carburetor and a C6 automatic transmission. As far as I know, neither had been rebuilt. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem The stub axle is more properly called a spindle. Was the ridge far enough out that it lined up with the outer edge of the bearing race once it was installed? If so then it belongs there. It's been a long time. The bearing race seated okay after it got past the ridge. IIRC the ridge was just to the outside of the bearing race seating area. I've had bearings seize and they removed metal made the replacement bearing race loose on the spindle, not the other way around. That's been my experience with other cars. That's why this situation surprised me. The only exception was the one that welded itself to the spindle - that was interesting. Had that happen too. Very interesting if it happens while you're driving. Also, most don't realize that the original wheel bearings in our Mercedes were made in Japan or China. Tom Hargrave I don't believe the Chinese bearing I put on the 300D was a Mercedes bearing. It had a little too much play to be a quality bearing. Next time I grease the wheels I'll try a Mercedes bearing. It could have been that the U.S. mfg. bearings were a little tighter although that seems unlikely. Gerry -- On Behalf Of archer When I greased the front wheel bearings on the '83 300D the new bearing would not go on. There was a ridge next to where the bearing inner race seated. I sanded the ridge as much as I dared with emery cloth but the new bearing would still not go and I didn't want to try and drive it on. I took the new bearing back and got another new bearing, thinking the first one might be off-dimension but it wouldn't go on either. In desperation I went across the street to Autozone, thinking they might have foreign bearing with less precise dimensions, and got a Chinese bearing which went on with no problem. That was about 8 years ago and the Chinese bearing has caused no problems. I've often wondered how that ridge around the stub axle formed. I didn't think high strength steel such as is used in stub axles is malleable/plastic enough for a frozen bearing to create a ridge without it being raised to a temperature up in the 2000 degreeF range. That is pretty much true when working with a forge. High strength steel has to be a dull shade of red before it can be shaped. It would seem that such a temperature would make the stub axle unusable. Comment? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My latest score
Congrats on your new wheels! I hope your rods never bend so you can reach 500Kmi and beyond. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem
From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one that welded itself to the race would still turn. When I jacked the car up it, the wheel had a lot of free play. The bearings fell out from behind the wheel when I pulled the wheel off the spindle. I had to split the race off with a chisel. This was my Wife's 1972 Torino - she drove the car when we dated when we were first married. I cleaned up the spindle re-assembled everything with a new bearing from that day on, I could not adjust all of the free play out of the tire. There was so little play between the race spindle that I could not feel it by hand but I could feel the play when amplified across the face of the tire. We sold the car to a friend of her's when the car reached 270,000 miles. Her friend took it well past 300,000 miles. It had a 302 (5 liter) engine with a 2 barrel carburetor and a C6 automatic transmission. As far as I know, neither had been rebuilt. Tom Hargrave -- It's amazing the car ran that long with with that much bearing play. You must have gotten just the right amount of pre-load on the bearing. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem
Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:39:17 -0400 archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem When I greased the front wheel bearings on the '83 300D the new bearing would not go on. There was a ridge next to where the bearing inner race seated. I sanded the ridge as much as I dared with emery cloth but the new bearing would still not go and I didn't want to try and drive it on. I took the new bearing back and got another new bearing, thinking the first one might be off-dimension but it wouldn't go on either. In desperation I went across the street to Autozone, thinking they might have foreign bearing with less precise dimensions, and got a Chinese bearing which went on with no problem. That was about 8 years ago and the Chinese bearing has caused no problems. I've often wondered how that ridge around the stub axle formed. I didn't think high strength steel such as is used in stub axles is malleable/plastic enough for a frozen bearing to create a ridge without it being raised to a temperature up in the 2000 degreeF range. That is pretty much true when working with a forge. High strength steel has to be a dull shade of red before it can be shaped. It would seem that such a temperature would make the stub axle unusable. Comment? Gerry My comment: The spindles are not all that hard, you can file them easily, and a bearing moving in ways it's not supposed to will make its mark. I had this proved to me. A few years back the Ford pickup developed an odd noise somewhere around the front. Sometimes it would click click click, once it sounded like a lug nut loose inside a hubcap (took the hubcaps off and that did nothing to the noise), and it didn't do it all the time and wouldn't do it when I jacked up a wheel and spun it. WTF?, I said. It went on for months like that, sometimes making a little noise, most of the time no noise. Then one fateful afternoon it revealed itself. Terrible noise, lots of pieces scattered all over the pavement (fortunately in town at low speed), left front wheel wobbles big time. The outer front wheel bearing had been disintegrating all that time. It took the spindle with it and also the hub and the bearing race inside the hub - could not get it out. The spindle had ridges and worn areas and was generally cratered. I told about it to a friend who remarked It's a good thing that bearing finally came apart. You might never have figured it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem
The car ran an additional 30,000 miles for us with the free play between the inner bearing race the spindle. I don't know how the next owner did. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one that welded itself to the race would still turn. When I jacked the car up it, the wheel had a lot of free play. The bearings fell out from behind the wheel when I pulled the wheel off the spindle. I had to split the race off with a chisel. This was my Wife's 1972 Torino - she drove the car when we dated when we were first married. I cleaned up the spindle re-assembled everything with a new bearing from that day on, I could not adjust all of the free play out of the tire. There was so little play between the race spindle that I could not feel it by hand but I could feel the play when amplified across the face of the tire. We sold the car to a friend of her's when the car reached 270,000 miles. Her friend took it well past 300,000 miles. It had a 302 (5 liter) engine with a 2 barrel carburetor and a C6 automatic transmission. As far as I know, neither had been rebuilt. Tom Hargrave -- It's amazing the car ran that long with with that much bearing play. You must have gotten just the right amount of pre-load on the bearing. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Thats yearly for me... Too much work. Remember I'm the guy working on getting out to 15,000 mile oil changes, that way I should be able to change 3 times every 2 years... I lived in an apartment for 3 years while driving my 240D. I had a 110ah marine battery and a 400watt inverter. I'd lug them down to the car (3rd floor walkup) and setup in the trunk. Then head back upstairs to take a shower and have breakfast. In an hour I'd head back down, get the car started and let it warm a bit while I hauled the battery back upstairs to go on the charger. Repeat for every day it was below 10F. Last winter living in the house was outstanding, I had the block heater in the 190D on a timer even if it wasn't all that cold out. It'd come on at 6am and by the end of our dead end street I'd have heat. My wife was so jelous... -Curt Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:15:53 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
I drive 45,000 - 55,000 miles / year and right now my cost per mile is less in my 01 Jeep Grand Cherokee than my 87 300SDL, so I drive the Jeep most of the time. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:02 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender I think I'm at the bottom of the high mileage drivers ranks. I do about 20,000 miles a year (110 miles a day plus some other travel). To match the 40+mpg my 190D gets I'd need to drive a very small gasser. Of course right now gas is about 16% cheaper than diesel so a 33.6mpg gasser about approximates my 190D. But I paid (once everything was working right) about $4,000 for my car. A new car would want that much every year in payments... The last time I took my car to my indy he did nothing, I'd thought it needed rear subframe mounts, he said it actually needed rear tires. I gave him $20 for his time which he didn't want to take... Week after next it'll go in for coolant. I've budgeted $200 a month for repairs/maintenance on this car. Sometimes we plow through it (driveshaft replacement because the rubber thingus was gone) and sometimes we don't... Plus theres just something about pulling up to the diesel pump. Threading my way past the big rigs. Having the truckers ask me what mileage my go-kart gets. -Curt Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:13:01 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Larry, I agree with pretty much every thing you say. The bottom end of your engine may make it to a million, but most of the other parts are about as likely to as my gasser is. One thing I did notice where I live, ppl buy diesels to put LOTS of miles on them. I know several, and even yours I believe Larry seem to have very lows miles. It's next to impossible to find a car of that age with such miles here. Most gassers will have 250,000 or more, diesels 3-400,000 or more, at which point, all the suspension is shot, trans is shot if not already rebuilt etc. If I could find a nice diesel here with 150,000 on it, I'd snap it up, but I tell you, hard to find, I've look for a few years now. Having said that, if I find the right one, I still want to join you guys!!! hee hee. A Camry? Larry!! What were you thinking. lol. :-) Ed 300E - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem
My dad's friend's wife had a Vega she drove from Portland, Maine to Augusta, Maine everyday, thats about an hour ride, maybe 50 miles. One night she'd worked late and was driving home at say 10pm when the car started to squeal. This was back before cell phones so she figured she'd just keep pushing for home. The squeal got louder and more horrible but she was almost home so she kept pushing. If you guessed a bearing siezed you'd be right. It carved the spindle until she pulled into her driveway and stopped at which point the right front wheel fell clean off. Dad bought the car for $100 (twice what the junkman would pay) put a new spindle in from the junkyard and drove it for 2 years... -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:43:07 -0500 From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII My comment: The spindles are not all that hard, you can file them easily, and a bearing moving in ways it's not supposed to will make its mark. I had this proved to me. A few years back the Ford pickup developed an odd noise somewhere around the front. Sometimes it would click click click, once it sounded like a lug nut loose inside a hubcap (took the hubcaps off and that did nothing to the noise), and it didn't do it all the time and wouldn't do it when I jacked up a wheel and spun it. WTF?, I said. It went on for months like that, sometimes making a little noise, most of the time no noise. Then one fateful afternoon it revealed itself. Terrible noise, lots of pieces scattered all over the pavement (fortunately in town at low speed), left front wheel wobbles big time. The outer front wheel bearing had been disintegrating all that time. It took the spindle with it and also the hub and the bearing race inside the hub - could not get it out. The spindle had ridges and worn areas and was generally cratered. I told about it to a friend who remarked It's a good thing that bearing finally came apart. You might never have figured it out. - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Block heaters work on gassers too. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:07 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Thats yearly for me... Too much work. Remember I'm the guy working on getting out to 15,000 mile oil changes, that way I should be able to change 3 times every 2 years... I lived in an apartment for 3 years while driving my 240D. I had a 110ah marine battery and a 400watt inverter. I'd lug them down to the car (3rd floor walkup) and setup in the trunk. Then head back upstairs to take a shower and have breakfast. In an hour I'd head back down, get the car started and let it warm a bit while I hauled the battery back upstairs to go on the charger. Repeat for every day it was below 10F. Last winter living in the house was outstanding, I had the block heater in the 190D on a timer even if it wasn't all that cold out. It'd come on at 6am and by the end of our dead end street I'd have heat. My wife was so jelous... -Curt Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:15:53 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
Final checks are being done at the moment by my mechanic, but initial indications are that my transmission may be shot. It has been giving some problems for a few months, most notably on my recent trip to VA it quit shifting into 4th, then wouldn't go into 3rd. Checked all vacuum connections but found nothing, then was fine from SC to VA and back to SC then home to Jax. Mostly it has just exhibited a slight flare from 2 - 3, getting a bit worse over the last couple of weeks. Last night I stopped in to get a bottle of Techron concentrate and when I tried to leave the parking lot nothing would engage at all. Mechanic reattached the linkage this morning, but it still will not go into gear. Thoughts on this problem; Thoughts on rebuild vs. finding a used one if this one is gone? Thanks in advance - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 295k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Tom Hargrave wrote: Block heaters work on gassers too. I tried to order a Sunfire with block heater a couple of years ago, right after Pontiac quit guaranteeing the orders. Mine didn't go through, probably would have been one of the last ten stick shift Sunfires made if I had gotten it. The saleschick was astonished that I'd pay $30 for a block heater on a $10,000 car in Michigan, she asked me if I traveled in Canada in the winter. I told her I liked heaters that worked and engines that lasted longer. I also figured I'd save enough gas to make it worth the effort. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem
Tom Hargrave wrote: The car ran an additional 30,000 miles for us with the free play between the inner bearing race the spindle. I don't know how the next owner did. The Horizon was like that the first time I took the back brakes off at 60-70k. It went 232k mi, with no trouble that I noticed from the original rear wheel bearings. I replaced the drums and bearings seals once but reused the hubs and bearings. The front sealed bearings went out at 75k and 120k, should have replaced both at 75k when the first one went. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
To my mind the question would hinge on how long you wish to keep the car for. if i figured i were spending the rest of my life with the car, i'd go with rebuilt. otherwise, i'd either scrap the car or look for a used one. On 9/14/07, billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Final checks are being done at the moment by my mechanic, but initial indications are that my transmission may be shot. It has been giving some problems for a few months, most notably on my recent trip to VA it quit shifting into 4th, then wouldn't go into 3rd. Checked all vacuum connections but found nothing, then was fine from SC to VA and back to SC then home to Jax. Mostly it has just exhibited a slight flare from 2 - 3, getting a bit worse over the last couple of weeks. Last night I stopped in to get a bottle of Techron concentrate and when I tried to leave the parking lot nothing would engage at all. Mechanic reattached the linkage this morning, but it still will not go into gear. Thoughts on this problem; Thoughts on rebuild vs. finding a used one if this one is gone? Thanks in advance - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 295k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
That's what I am thinking over. IIRC a rebuild would be @$2800. My car is decent, good interior, and even though I like it, all the parts are old. There is a 1987 300SDL in Miami for a 'buy it now' of around $6,500, with 167k on the odo. If I could negotiate to buy that for about 2x the cost of a rebuild I'd think very hard about that. If this turns out to be a low $ fixable problem with my 300SD I'm happy with that. BillR -Original Message- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 14, 2007 10:08 AM To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD To my mind the question would hinge on how long you wish to keep the car for. if i figured i were spending the rest of my life with the car, i'd go with rebuilt. otherwise, i'd either scrap the car or look for a used one. On 9/14/07, billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Final checks are being done at the moment by my mechanic, but initial indications are that my transmission may be shot. It has been giving some problems for a few months, most notably on my recent trip to VA it quit shifting into 4th, then wouldn't go into 3rd. Checked all vacuum connections but found nothing, then was fine from SC to VA and back to SC then home to Jax. Mostly it has just exhibited a slight flare from 2 - 3, getting a bit worse over the last couple of weeks. Last night I stopped in to get a bottle of Techron concentrate and when I tried to leave the parking lot nothing would engage at all. Mechanic reattached the linkage this morning, but it still will not go into gear. Thoughts on this problem; Thoughts on rebuild vs. finding a used one if this one is gone? Thanks in advance - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 295k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
Do a total rebuild - around here the cost is about $1,700. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billr Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:02 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD Final checks are being done at the moment by my mechanic, but initial indications are that my transmission may be shot. It has been giving some problems for a few months, most notably on my recent trip to VA it quit shifting into 4th, then wouldn't go into 3rd. Checked all vacuum connections but found nothing, then was fine from SC to VA and back to SC then home to Jax. Mostly it has just exhibited a slight flare from 2 - 3, getting a bit worse over the last couple of weeks. Last night I stopped in to get a bottle of Techron concentrate and when I tried to leave the parking lot nothing would engage at all. Mechanic reattached the linkage this morning, but it still will not go into gear. Thoughts on this problem; Thoughts on rebuild vs. finding a used one if this one is gone? Thanks in advance - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 295k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
I also remember being able to work on my 1969 Plymouth Valiant without using any flex-head or swivel adapters. There was almost enough room for me to climb into the engine compartment - and that's with the engine still in place. I got the V-8 so things were a little tight :-) -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
On 9/13/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the lowest price by far I've seen on a Chinese diesel generator package of that wattage. The local liquidator has a 6kW unit for $380. The wheels are off and the battery is out, obviously it's not in perfect condition. I'm still thinking about picking it up. Dratted thing is 3600 RPM which is not what I would normally want. All the small ones seem to run at that speed. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
You would have saved more than enough to cover the block heater, particularly if you had it timed to turn on 2 hours before you left in the morning. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Tom Hargrave wrote: Block heaters work on gassers too. I tried to order a Sunfire with block heater a couple of years ago, right after Pontiac quit guaranteeing the orders. Mine didn't go through, probably would have been one of the last ten stick shift Sunfires made if I had gotten it. The saleschick was astonished that I'd pay $30 for a block heater on a $10,000 car in Michigan, she asked me if I traveled in Canada in the winter. I told her I liked heaters that worked and engines that lasted longer. I also figured I'd save enough gas to make it worth the effort. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
i can't remember back to the 1920s like you can, tom. On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
my 77 downsized le sabre. i was able to change out the alternator in under 3 minutes and a rebuilt was about 30 bucks in the 1990s. transmission was THM350, so it lasted about a billion miles with any care at all and similar results could be had with the quadrajet carb, not like hargrave's 1920s cars On 9/14/07, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also remember being able to work on my 1969 Plymouth Valiant without using any flex-head or swivel adapters. There was almost enough room for me to climb into the engine compartment - and that's with the engine still in place. I got the V-8 so things were a little tight :-) -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Have you asked Rusty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
billr wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Rusty sells them too. I think they cost around $1700... could then get your indy to install it (if his rebuild option is too much). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
Thus far all the news from the list is better than my fears. Thanks John. BillR -Original Message- From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 14, 2007 11:44 AM To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD billr wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Rusty sells them too. I think they cost around $1700... could then get your indy to install it (if his rebuild option is too much). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
Not yet, but if I need one [at this point I am not sure] I will. BillR -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 14, 2007 11:42 AM To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Have you asked Rusty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] BillR -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 14, 2007 10:53 AM To: 'billr' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD Do a total rebuild - around here the cost is about $1,700. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billr Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:02 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD Final checks are being done at the moment by my mechanic, but initial indications are that my transmission may be shot. It has been giving some problems for a few months, most notably on my recent trip to VA it quit shifting into 4th, then wouldn't go into 3rd. Checked all vacuum connections but found nothing, then was fine from SC to VA and back to SC then home to Jax. Mostly it has just exhibited a slight flare from 2 - 3, getting a bit worse over the last couple of weeks. Last night I stopped in to get a bottle of Techron concentrate and when I tried to leave the parking lot nothing would engage at all. Mechanic reattached the linkage this morning, but it still will not go into gear. Thoughts on this problem; Thoughts on rebuild vs. finding a used one if this one is gone? Thanks in advance - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 295k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
My transmissions are $1795.00, they come with a torque converter and a 2 year warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Have you asked Rusty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
John Robbins wrote: Rusty sells them too. I think they cost around $1700... could then get your indy to install it (if his rebuild option is too much). When I worked for a Saab indy, there was only one guy he'd let work on our Borg-Warner transaxles, which I suspect are mechanically similar to MBZ boxes. I think you'd be better off with one from Rusty than having the local tranny guy rebuild yours. (that goes double for MBZ engines) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
I also suspect it is an age thing. When I was much younger, we had a family friend who drove MB Diesels. My father always lusted after them - partly because of the fuel economy. Of course, back then we were comparing them to American vehicles that generally made pretty poor fuel mileage. It may not make a lot of sense to drive an old MB Diesel these days if the issue is fuel economy. The new Toyota and Honda models do better on gas than my 300D for mileage and the difference in price for diesel fuel is not what it once was. BUT I got the idea in my head many years ago and I have always wanted to have an MB Diesel. I have one now and I quite like it. It is a bit of an odd thing I suppose as the new gas powered vehicles are much smoother and quieter etc - but I like my car. What can I say? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
I'd like one for my POWERSTROKE! Is shipping included? Happy Moose day.. Pete -- Original message -- From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] My transmissions are $1795.00, they come with a torque converter and a 2 year warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey To: billr ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) billr wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Have you asked Rusty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
Shipping is paid one way. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD I'd like one for my POWERSTROKE! Is shipping included? Happy Moose day.. Pete -- Original message -- From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] My transmissions are $1795.00, they come with a torque converter and a 2 year warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey To: billr ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) billr wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Have you asked Rusty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Yah right, I'm talking about the 60s. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender i can't remember back to the 1920s like you can, tom. On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And even in 70s, some mechanics did not recommend changing the fluid. Then they realiized that they were loosing revene and everyone recommended transmission fluid changed, the more often the better. The issue centers around the fact that unlike engine oil, there is nothing to contaminate transmission fluid except for material from the wear parts. Most of this material settles in the bottom of the pan. Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
When I got my 87SDL, it would not shift into 3rd, flared horribly going into 2nd, and shifted hard. When I drained the trans fluid, it came out looking like chocolate syrup. I've changed the fluid at least 4 times thus far and the magnets I put in the transmission pan are still coming out covered with black slime. The transmission is working perfectly now. It might make sense to a theoretical physicist that the fluid should last forever, but things are different in the real world. The fact is that if you change your transmission fluid, it WILL last longer. You are welcome to test out your theory on your own car, Tom. Let us know how it goes -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And even in 70s, some mechanics did not recommend changing the fluid. Then they realiized that they were loosing revene and everyone recommended transmission fluid changed, the more often the better. The issue centers around the fact that unlike engine oil, there is nothing to contaminate transmission fluid except for material from the wear parts. Most of this material settles in the bottom of the pan. Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] engine speed sensor
Can anyone tell me if the tachometer and the engine control system both use the same engine speed sensor on my '95 E300D? There is one speed sensor that plugs into the driver's side of the bell housing on this 606 engine. It there another one someplace? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D '80 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Tom Hargrave wrote: Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And the dipstick was eliminated because contamination from removing and wiping the dipstick was considered worse than the rare times that people found low fluid with the dipstick. (usually low fluid level is detected by what's this puddle under the car or, more commonly why won't the car move) I just wish they had put a low oil level sensor in the tranny when they eliminated the dipstick. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
so this 6k diesel unit, will that power a house? What size is needed to power a house and run just about everything. At least be able to run the basics anyway. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog On 9/13/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the lowest price by far I've seen on a Chinese diesel generator package of that wattage. The local liquidator has a 6kW unit for $380. The wheels are off and the battery is out, obviously it's not in perfect condition. I'm still thinking about picking it up. Dratted thing is 3600 RPM which is not what I would normally want. All the small ones seem to run at that speed. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
I'll take 2 --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD My transmissions are $1795.00, they come with a torque converter and a 2 year warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Have you asked Rusty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: so this 6k diesel unit, will that power a house? What size is needed to power a house and run just about everything. At least be able to run the basics anyway. It depends. How big is your A/C? Do you have electric heat/heat pump/gas furnace? Etc... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:26:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so this 6k diesel unit, will that power a house? What size is needed to power a house and run just about everything. At least be able to run the basics anyway. It depends upon what you consider the basics. An electric range/oven/stove is out. An electric dryer is out. Electric heat is out. Electric water heater is out. 4 kW will power a house with forced air gas heat, a gas hot water heater, a gas range/oven/stove, and a gas dryer. You'll have to plan ahead for running the electric washing machine so other large loads aren't rying to start at the same time (principally the furnace blower and dryer).. The microwave will be no problem. This assumes, of course, that you don't have 20+ incandescent lights on. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Tom Hargrave wrote: Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Last I checked you could overheat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
If your fluid was black, you changed the fluid, put in magnets and they are continuing to trap stuff then I suggest that you don't stray far from home to keep your upcoming towing bill to a minimum. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender When I got my 87SDL, it would not shift into 3rd, flared horribly going into 2nd, and shifted hard. When I drained the trans fluid, it came out looking like chocolate syrup. I've changed the fluid at least 4 times thus far and the magnets I put in the transmission pan are still coming out covered with black slime. The transmission is working perfectly now. It might make sense to a theoretical physicist that the fluid should last forever, but things are different in the real world. The fact is that if you change your transmission fluid, it WILL last longer. You are welcome to test out your theory on your own car, Tom. Let us know how it goes -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And even in 70s, some mechanics did not recommend changing the fluid. Then they realiized that they were loosing revene and everyone recommended transmission fluid changed, the more often the better. The issue centers around the fact that unlike engine oil, there is nothing to contaminate transmission fluid except for material from the wear parts. Most of this material settles in the bottom of the pan. Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:46:00 -0600 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:26:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so this 6k diesel unit, will that power a house? What size is needed to power a house and run just about everything. At least be able to run the basics anyway. It depends upon what you consider the basics. An electric range/oven/stove is out. An electric dryer is out. Electric heat is out. Electric water heater is out. 4 kW will power a house with forced air gas heat, a gas hot water heater, a gas range/oven/stove, and a gas dryer. You'll have to plan ahead for running the electric washing machine so other large loads aren't rying to start at the same time (principally the furnace blower and dryer).. The microwave will be no problem. This assumes, of course, that you don't have 20+ incandescent lights on. I forgot: if you have a well pump, that will also require more planning. We had a 1.5 HP pump in Colorado. I rigged up an interlock system that dropped the large loads in the Little Mobile Home on the Prairie when the well pump came on. This was particularly helpful when washing clothes (the pump was quite likely to come on when washing clothes and we didn't want the well pump and washing machine both trying to start at the same time). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] engine speed sensor
ned kleinhenz wrote: Can anyone tell me if the tachometer and the engine control system both use the same engine speed sensor on my '95 E300D? There is one speed sensor that plugs into the driver's side of the bell housing on this 606 engine. It there another one someplace? The 124 diesel tach and the engine control system AND the AC control system all use the same engine speed sensor on the bell housing to monitor engine speed. The signal goes thru the over voltage relay and if it fails, none of the above systems receives engine speed information. The connection from the speed sensor leads into the wiring harness can corrode and I've had to clean and/or replace them on several cars powered by OM60x engines. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
My AC unit is pretty big. Our heat is natural gas but of course needs power to run the blower unit etc. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: so this 6k diesel unit, will that power a house? What size is needed to power a house and run just about everything. At least be able to run the basics anyway. It depends. How big is your A/C? Do you have electric heat/heat pump/gas furnace? Etc... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
I take an Allison for my Duramax, to keep as a spare. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD Shipping is paid one way. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD I'd like one for my POWERSTROKE! Is shipping included? Happy Moose day.. Pete -- Original message -- From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] My transmissions are $1795.00, they come with a torque converter and a 2 year warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey To: billr ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) billr wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Have you asked Rusty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
The only gasser I'd think of owning would be an early sixties Beetle. With oversize tires it would get 33 mpg and the engines would run 100K if the valves were adjusted regularly. You could set the engine on a dinette table and rebuild it from the crank on up. Put 50K per year on those cars. Parts are still available and fairly cheap. I get a fat catalog monthly from Mid America which lists everything for Beetles except the frame and shell. If the mileage were better, the '70s model Plymouth/Dodges with slant six engines would be a tossup with the Beetles. $20 ignition modules replaced the points, and the engines and the (727?) transmissions were nearly indestructible. I had a '73 Duster and an '80 Dodge station wagon. Gerry - - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also remember being able to work on my 1969 Plymouth Valiant without using any flex-head or swivel adapters. There was almost enough room for me to climb into the engine compartment - and that's with the engine still in place. I got the V-8 so things were a little tight :-) -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
AAA Gold I can go 150 miles. Of course the tranny has 330,000 miles on it and this is the same car I am running 100% WVO in without any mods. Sometimes you have to live life on the edge :-) -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your fluid was black, you changed the fluid, put in magnets and they are continuing to trap stuff then I suggest that you don't stray far from home to keep your upcoming towing bill to a minimum. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender When I got my 87SDL, it would not shift into 3rd, flared horribly going into 2nd, and shifted hard. When I drained the trans fluid, it came out looking like chocolate syrup. I've changed the fluid at least 4 times thus far and the magnets I put in the transmission pan are still coming out covered with black slime. The transmission is working perfectly now. It might make sense to a theoretical physicist that the fluid should last forever, but things are different in the real world. The fact is that if you change your transmission fluid, it WILL last longer. You are welcome to test out your theory on your own car, Tom. Let us know how it goes -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And even in 70s, some mechanics did not recommend changing the fluid. Then they realiized that they were loosing revene and everyone recommended transmission fluid changed, the more often the better. The issue centers around the fact that unlike engine oil, there is nothing to contaminate transmission fluid except for material from the wear parts. Most of this material settles in the bottom of the pan. Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
Your credit card declined. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD I'll take 2 --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD My transmissions are $1795.00, they come with a torque converter and a 2 year warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:37:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] Have you asked Rusty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
Our stove is gas, but the oven is electric. The drier is electric. Water heater is gas. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:26:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so this 6k diesel unit, will that power a house? What size is needed to power a house and run just about everything. At least be able to run the basics anyway. It depends upon what you consider the basics. An electric range/oven/stove is out. An electric dryer is out. Electric heat is out. Electric water heater is out. 4 kW will power a house with forced air gas heat, a gas hot water heater, a gas range/oven/stove, and a gas dryer. You'll have to plan ahead for running the electric washing machine so other large loads aren't rying to start at the same time (principally the furnace blower and dryer).. The microwave will be no problem. This assumes, of course, that you don't have 20+ incandescent lights on. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:02:41 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our stove is gas, but the oven is electric. The drier is electric. Water heater is gas. If you can do without running the oven and drier during the times you have to depend upon the generator, you'll be all right. If this is to eliminate interruptions during winter/spring storms, you can string clothes lines during outages and use a crock pot for dinners. I.e., with a little change in habits you'll have no problems. Now if this is to provide power a major portion of the year, you'll want to look at something that turns 1800 RPM, not 3600, for reduced wear and noise and increased longevity. Running an AC will require a lot more than 5600 watts -- you'll have to look on the nameplate of the AC to find what it needs. Craig --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:26:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so this 6k diesel unit, will that power a house? What size is needed to power a house and run just about everything. At least be able to run the basics anyway. It depends upon what you consider the basics. An electric range/oven/stove is out. An electric dryer is out. Electric heat is out. Electric water heater is out. 4 kW will power a house with forced air gas heat, a gas hot water heater, a gas range/oven/stove, and a gas dryer. You'll have to plan ahead for running the electric washing machine so other large loads aren't rying to start at the same time (principally the furnace blower and dryer).. The microwave will be no problem. This assumes, of course, that you don't have 20+ incandescent lights on. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump
Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:07:35 -0400 Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump Wonko the Sane wrote: Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand primer pump. Where is it? '84 190D. No hand primer. Fill the large fuel filter with clean diesel, Diesel Purge or even ATF and crank the engine. May take a minute or two but it will start. Next time don't let it go dry! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comment from the cheap seats: If it were a VW diesel, crack the union nuts at the injectors. Crank until fuel appears at the loose nuts, usually one by one. It won't take long. Tighten them. Engine should start quickly. The first diesel VW's had a hand primer pumps (one model year, I think). After that they don't. Above is procedure from Bentley Manual. It works. Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Sure do, and when we replace the pickup next year or the year after that the new truck will get one. I'm not going to sweat putting one into a truck I plan on getting rid of in a year or two. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:23:23 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Block heaters work on gassers too. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
During power outages, plan to use a camping stove or the BBQ and maybe the microwave. Don't wash the clothes etc. The generator will run the lights, the furnace fan, the refrigerator etc but probably not all at once. Be prepared to shift things around a bit. If you don't have outages often or for long, extension cords etc are probably sufficient. If it happens all the time and for longer than a few hours, then you will find it more comfortable if you have something bigger and more permanent. There is a nice writeup on a web site by a fellow in Florida who has to contend with hurricanes. He has a setup with one of the Lister style diesel engines and a big genrator head. He has written a good description of how and why he has done what he has and some tips on how to adjust the thing etc. I don't have the url here but it is on the computer at home and could be obtained if anyone is interested. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:02:41 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our stove is gas, but the oven is electric. The drier is electric. Water heater is gas. If you can do without running the oven and drier during the times you have to depend upon the generator, you'll be all right. If this is to eliminate interruptions during winter/spring storms, you can string clothes lines during outages and use a crock pot for dinners. I.e., with a little change in habits you'll have no problems. Now if this is to provide power a major portion of the year, you'll want to look at something that turns 1800 RPM, not 3600, for reduced wear and noise and increased longevity. Running an AC will require a lot more than 5600 watts -- you'll have to look on the nameplate of the AC to find what it needs. Craig --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:26:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so this 6k diesel unit, will that power a house? What size is needed to power a house and run just about everything. At least be able to run the basics anyway. It depends upon what you consider the basics. An electric range/oven/stove is out. An electric dryer is out. Electric heat is out. Electric water heater is out. 4 kW will power a house with forced air gas heat, a gas hot water heater, a gas range/oven/stove, and a gas dryer. You'll have to plan ahead for running the electric washing machine so other large loads aren't rying to start at the same time (principally the furnace blower and dryer).. The microwave will be no problem. This assumes, of course, that you don't have 20+ incandescent lights on. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:35:13 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? If I ever got one I would want it hooked into the house power with a switch or whatever to connect or disconnect it. What would be really great would be something that automatically kicks in if the power goes out. I bet something like that would be expensive though. Something on the order of 20 - 30 kW. Craig --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog During power outages, plan to use a camping stove or the BBQ and maybe the microwave. Don't wash the clothes etc. The generator will run the lights, the furnace fan, the refrigerator etc but probably not all at once. Be prepared to shift things around a bit. If you don't have outages often or for long, extension cords etc are probably sufficient. If it happens all the time and for longer than a few hours, then you will find it more comfortable if you have something bigger and more permanent. There is a nice writeup on a web site by a fellow in Florida who has to contend with hurricanes. He has a setup with one of the Lister style diesel engines and a big genrator head. He has written a good description of how and why he has done what he has and some tips on how to adjust the thing etc. I don't have the url here but it is on the computer at home and could be obtained if anyone is interested. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Transmission toasted
Rebuild of my 91 350SDL tranny was ~$2300 in Raleigh, NC coupla months ago. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? 200A service is about 40kw or 60hp. How about a 240D engine? I can do a 240V well pump, two freezers, a fridge, and various lights/computer etc on 11hp. The instant I turn a stove burner to low, the genny falters. Electric heat or the electric water heater would make stove draw look mild. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:40:21 -0700 Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I have an electric furnace, stove, washer/dryer, water heater, and well pump in my new place. I anticipate running the generator only during winter outages, so A/C is not an issue. I basically just need to run the well pump and a few lights at a minimum---we can heat (and cook!) with the wood stove---but it'd be nice to have enough capacity to run the hot water heater and maybe the washer, too. Go look up the power draw of the water heater, washer, and well pump and let us know what they are, along with the horsepower rating of the well pump. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
Around here, (CA) you also need to plan to spend about 700 bucks for permits, power Co approved switches, etc if you plan to tie your generator directly into the household panel. On 9/14/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? 200A service is about 40kw or 60hp. How about a 240D engine? I can do a 240V well pump, two freezers, a fridge, and various lights/computer etc on 11hp. The instant I turn a stove burner to low, the genny falters. Electric heat or the electric water heater would make stove draw look mild. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Yes you can overheat the transmission fluid and when you do, you need to change it as soon as possible. But that's more of a specific cause effect. You also need to find out why you overheated the transmission to keep from doing it again possibly damaging the transmission. This brings up a good point. Anything I've ever found wrong with the transmission fluid (dark, burnt, low, milky, etc...) has been tied to a specific failure and not to the age of the fluid. In other words, the condition of the fluid makes a good indicator of what's going on inside the transmission. Also, I've changed transmission fluid for friends with slipping transmissions over the years and most of the time the change made no difference. In every case that the change helped, the bottom of the pan and the filter were loaded up with grey sludge. But also, in every case the transmission failed within another 2000 miles. This tells me that the gunk in the bottom of the pan in the filter was caused by a failing internal part (probably a clutch) as opposed to the clutch failing because of the transmission fluid. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Tom Hargrave wrote: Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Last I checked you could overheat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
On 9/14/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a nice writeup on a web site by a fellow in Florida who has to contend with hurricanes. He has a setup with one of the Lister style diesel engines and a big genrator head. He has written a good description of how and why he has done what he has and some tips on how to adjust the thing etc. I don't have the url here but it is on the computer at home and could be obtained if anyone is interested. Yes, please post that when you get a chance, Randy. FWIW, I have an electric furnace, stove, washer/dryer, water heater, and well pump in my new place. I anticipate running the generator only during winter outages, so A/C is not an issue. I basically just need to run the well pump and a few lights at a minimum---we can heat (and cook!) with the wood stove---but it'd be nice to have enough capacity to run the hot water heater and maybe the washer, too. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? If I ever got one I would want it hooked into the house power with a switch or whatever to connect or disconnect it. What would be really great would be something that automatically kicks in if the power goes out. I bet something like that would be expensive though. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog During power outages, plan to use a camping stove or the BBQ and maybe the microwave. Don't wash the clothes etc. The generator will run the lights, the furnace fan, the refrigerator etc but probably not all at once. Be prepared to shift things around a bit. If you don't have outages often or for long, extension cords etc are probably sufficient. If it happens all the time and for longer than a few hours, then you will find it more comfortable if you have something bigger and more permanent. There is a nice writeup on a web site by a fellow in Florida who has to contend with hurricanes. He has a setup with one of the Lister style diesel engines and a big genrator head. He has written a good description of how and why he has done what he has and some tips on how to adjust the thing etc. I don't have the url here but it is on the computer at home and could be obtained if anyone is interested. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
that sounds expensive --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:35:13 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? If I ever got one I would want it hooked into the house power with a switch or whatever to connect or disconnect it. What would be really great would be something that automatically kicks in if the power goes out. I bet something like that would be expensive though. Something on the order of 20 - 30 kW. Craig --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog During power outages, plan to use a camping stove or the BBQ and maybe the microwave. Don't wash the clothes etc. The generator will run the lights, the furnace fan, the refrigerator etc but probably not all at once. Be prepared to shift things around a bit. If you don't have outages often or for long, extension cords etc are probably sufficient. If it happens all the time and for longer than a few hours, then you will find it more comfortable if you have something bigger and more permanent. There is a nice writeup on a web site by a fellow in Florida who has to contend with hurricanes. He has a setup with one of the Lister style diesel engines and a big genrator head. He has written a good description of how and why he has done what he has and some tips on how to adjust the thing etc. I don't have the url here but it is on the computer at home and could be obtained if anyone is interested. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
How many posts do we get a month where the answer is change the tranny fluid and filter? I don't generally pay attention but my cars are usually manuals. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:59:11 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I got my 87SDL, it would not shift into 3rd, flared horribly going into 2nd, and shifted hard. When I drained the trans fluid, it came out looking like chocolate syrup. I've changed the fluid at least 4 times thus far and the magnets I put in the transmission pan are still coming out covered with black slime. The transmission is working perfectly now. It might make sense to a theoretical physicist that the fluid should last forever, but things are different in the real world. The fact is that if you change your transmission fluid, it WILL last longer. You are welcome to test out your theory on your own car, Tom. Let us know how it goes -Dave Walton - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
I agree with you but I also know that most Americans drive their cars until something breaks. And unlike the 60's early 70's, most of today's cars will go 100,000 miles without a major failure. Car manufacturers have come a long way with reliability longevity. The first major hurdle was the change from generators to alternators in the early 60's. The second major hurdle was the change from points to electronic distributors in the early 70's. This actually had a cascading effect since the new higher voltage ignitions made spark plug gap a little less critical and kept the plugs cleaner, causing them to last longer. The third major hurdle was the widespread implementation of fuel injection. This also had a cascading effect: There was less gasoline wash down, extending the life of the engine Spark plugs lasted even longer because they burned cleaner The car started immediately, greatly reducing starter wear charging system load The fourth major hurdle was computer control of the transmission. This change reduced internal clutch wear increased transmission life. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
I thought about trying to build one out of a 240D engine. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? 200A service is about 40kw or 60hp. How about a 240D engine? I can do a 240V well pump, two freezers, a fridge, and various lights/computer etc on 11hp. The instant I turn a stove burner to low, the genny falters. Electric heat or the electric water heater would make stove draw look mild. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Pah... Everybody said my 190D was junk when the iron levels were high in the engine oil. Now 30,000 miles later the oil tests normal at 10,000 mile intervals and I'm thinking I can take it out to 15k. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:18:08 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 AAA Gold I can go 150 miles. Of course the tranny has 330,000 miles on it and this is the same car I am running 100% WVO in without any mods. Sometimes you have to live life on the edge :-) -Dave Walton - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
If somebody found that link I'd be interested. My backup plan when the power goes out is the woodstove for heat (which heats the whole house pretty good after a fashion) my camp stove to cook on and the 110ah marine battery formerly used to heat my 240D for lights/radio/computer. My inverter is only 400w, the battery will go about 2 hours at maximum draw but I don't do that if I can help it. Running a couple lights and the laptop it'll go just about forever. I've got ~17w of solar to replenish it a bit if theres sun. So far we've lost power only a couple times and only for a few hours each time. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:22:27 -0500 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 During power outages, plan to use a camping stove or the BBQ and maybe the microwave. Don't wash the clothes etc. The generator will run the lights, the furnace fan, the refrigerator etc but probably not all at once. Be prepared to shift things around a bit. If you don't have outages often or for long, extension cords etc are probably sufficient. If it happens all the time and for longer than a few hours, then you will find it more comfortable if you have something bigger and more permanent. There is a nice writeup on a web site by a fellow in Florida who has to contend with hurricanes. He has a setup with one of the Lister style diesel engines and a big genrator head. He has written a good description of how and why he has done what he has and some tips on how to adjust the thing etc. I don't have the url here but it is on the computer at home and could be obtained if anyone is interested. Randy - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. Hmmm. If you had been paying attention, you would have read the posts right here that the lifetime fluid's change interval is now officially 39K miles. Posted over a year ago. Without a torque converter drain, you can only drain about half of it but that's better than nothing. I did. You talked to the wrong person at the dealer. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Electronics then and now
,but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help You mean like my 72 250's did at 65K miles in 1976? Electronics are nothing new and the new versions are a helluva lot more reliable. My 24 year old (next month) '84 Porsche's Motronic ignition system has never so much as hiccuped. My 6.5 year old C320 has had zero problems with the ignition and fuel injection and the original plugs are in situ. Of course there have been a few other things... RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted
What happened to the MB factory rebuilt transmissions that we were advised to buy a year or two ago? Did they quit rebuilding them or did the price go out of sight? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D -- Rebuild of my 91 350SDL tranny was ~$2300 in Raleigh, NC coupla months ago. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted
I love the term Factory Rebuilt. Think they send them back to the Fatherland where Elves rebuild them? I met a fellow several years ago who was convinced that his new fender had Factory Paint on it! Yes, he thought that the new fender had been made and painted in the factory! In East Hartford, CT there was a dealer who rebuilt flathead fords in the 50's. They were advertised, stamped and invoiced as Factory Rebuilt. Because Ford wanted the royalty! Where are people like that when I have something to sell? -- Regards, Pete Arnold Your reading list this summer should include: Where Have All the Leaders Gone? by, Lee Iacocca On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:48:11 -0400, you wrote: What happened to the MB factory rebuilt transmissions that we were advised to buy a year or two ago? Did they quit rebuilding them or did the price go out of sight? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D -- Rebuild of my 91 350SDL tranny was ~$2300 in Raleigh, NC coupla months ago. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
You can simply add up the amount of all your inductive loads, but then you need to figure out what you've got in the way of motor loads, and what code letter the motor is. Inrush (starting) current on single phase motors can be as much as 6x-8x the running current. That is also affected by the type of starting it uses, too. Take all that into consideration and then add another 20%-30% for padding so that the genset is not running at 100% load. 80% is good. You'll find that you typically run around 30%-50% with your running loads on line. Just like the 617 diesel, you need to run the genset with as much load as possible for it to last a long time. That's not to say you should run it at 100%, but run it at as much load as you can muster on a regular basis to keep it happy. A typical suburban home will require about 20kW if you want to be able to run prime power, that is, run everything in the house off the grid. There are some significant variables, like electric vs. gas stoves/water heaters, dryers, etc., but that's a ballpark figure. We always guesstimated that installation is close to the same amount as the equipment itself, but that's for commercial stuff with fuel tanks and all kinds of other goodies. I would still say that you're going to have a chunk of change tied up in the install with permits, wiring, automatic transfer switch, and other stuff. Dan Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? 200A service is about 40kw or 60hp. How about a 240D engine? I can do a 240V well pump, two freezers, a fridge, and various lights/computer etc on 11hp. The instant I turn a stove burner to low, the genny falters. Electric heat or the electric water heater would make stove draw look mild. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Trans Fluid
The single biggest factor in premature trans failure, besides overt abuse, is heat. WHen I used to tow, I installed a trans temp gauge in my tow cars. Ran fairly flimsey automatics (700R4) hundreds of thousands of miles without failures. Just made sure the trans was running cool. I'd like to plumb one into my 300SD sometime, just for kicks. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted
I think they were rebuilt to MB standards at a factory in the U.S. approved by MB. I would like to hear Marshalls comment on this since I seem to recall him advocating them back then. Gerry - I love the term Factory Rebuilt. Think they send them back to the Fatherland where Elves rebuild them? I met a fellow several years ago who was convinced that his new fender had Factory Paint on it! Yes, he thought that the new fender had been made and painted in the factory! In East Hartford, CT there was a dealer who rebuilt flathead fords in the 50's. They were advertised, stamped and invoiced as Factory Rebuilt. Because Ford wanted the royalty! Where are people like that when I have something to sell? Regards, Pete Arnold -What happened to the MB factory rebuilt transmissions that we were advised to buy a year or two ago? Did they quit rebuilding them or did the price go out of sight? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D -- Rebuild of my 91 350SDL tranny was ~$2300 in Raleigh, NC coupla months ago. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 9/13/2007 9:48 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
John Freer wrote: Around here, (CA) you also need to plan to spend about 700 bucks for permits, power Co approved switches, etc if you plan to tie your generator directly into the household panel. What I do: Switch the main breaker off, along with the major load breakers. Plug a 25 year old Coleman/BriggsStratton into the dryer outlet (run the cord in through the dryer vent) Switch on the freezers, the fridge, and the well pump, pausing a bit between breakers. I never claimed it was legal, but it is safe. What we do at my parent's house: Generac 7kw propane powered backup system. Paid the propane company to do the gas hookup, we did the electric. Was on sale back in April for $1500 at Home Depot. Came with transfer switch, subpanel and cables. County probably requires a permit, but who cares. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted
Factory Rebuilt means rebuilt in a factory, somewhere Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted I love the term Factory Rebuilt. Think they send them back to the Fatherland where Elves rebuild them? I met a fellow several years ago who was convinced that his new fender had Factory Paint on it! Yes, he thought that the new fender had been made and painted in the factory! In East Hartford, CT there was a dealer who rebuilt flathead fords in the 50's. They were advertised, stamped and invoiced as Factory Rebuilt. Because Ford wanted the royalty! Where are people like that when I have something to sell? -- Regards, Pete Arnold Your reading list this summer should include: Where Have All the Leaders Gone? by, Lee Iacocca On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:48:11 -0400, you wrote: What happened to the MB factory rebuilt transmissions that we were advised to buy a year or two ago? Did they quit rebuilding them or did the price go out of sight? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D -- Rebuild of my 91 350SDL tranny was ~$2300 in Raleigh, NC coupla months ago. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:55:19 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that sounds expensive Yes. Several kilobucks. At least. If you want to make one yourself, you can get away with a lot less, but it takes a fair amount of time. Craig --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:35:13 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? If I ever got one I would want it hooked into the house power with a switch or whatever to connect or disconnect it. What would be really great would be something that automatically kicks in if the power goes out. I bet something like that would be expensive though. Something on the order of 20 - 30 kW. Craig --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog During power outages, plan to use a camping stove or the BBQ and maybe the microwave. Don't wash the clothes etc. The generator will run the lights, the furnace fan, the refrigerator etc but probably not all at once. Be prepared to shift things around a bit. If you don't have outages often or for long, extension cords etc are probably sufficient. If it happens all the time and for longer than a few hours, then you will find it more comfortable if you have something bigger and more permanent. There is a nice writeup on a web site by a fellow in Florida who has to contend with hurricanes. He has a setup with one of the Lister style diesel engines and a big genrator head. He has written a good description of how and why he has done what he has and some tips on how to adjust the thing etc. I don't have the url here but it is on the computer at home and could be obtained if anyone is interested. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted
At this point there is a good chance I will go with Rusty for a rebuilt - along with a new AC compressor. The used one I put in only lasted a couple of months before it started making significant noise. My Indy [also my nephew] has a place that rebuilds MB transmissions for him [and he does their mechanical work] and he is going to check their price for me on Monday. Don't think even a 'professional friend discount' will beat Rusty's on the AC, but the transmission could be cheaper done here. Monday will be when I find out. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 295k miles on the car; ? miles on the engine [runs good, but the supplier promised but never sent info; and probably 0 miles on the transmission as of next week. -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 14, 2007 5:44 PM To: 'Peter T. Arnold' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted Factory Rebuilt means rebuilt in a factory, somewhere Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted I love the term Factory Rebuilt. Think they send them back to the Fatherland where Elves rebuild them? I met a fellow several years ago who was convinced that his new fender had Factory Paint on it! Yes, he thought that the new fender had been made and painted in the factory! In East Hartford, CT there was a dealer who rebuilt flathead fords in the 50's. They were advertised, stamped and invoiced as Factory Rebuilt. Because Ford wanted the royalty! Where are people like that when I have something to sell? -- Regards, Pete Arnold Your reading list this summer should include: Where Have All the Leaders Gone? by, Lee Iacocca On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:48:11 -0400, you wrote: What happened to the MB factory rebuilt transmissions that we were advised to buy a year or two ago? Did they quit rebuilding them or did the price go out of sight? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D -- Rebuild of my 91 350SDL tranny was ~$2300 in Raleigh, NC coupla months ago. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD
Yep, I'm in N. Alabama. I've lost two Mercedes transmissions and although I agree that Rusty carries quality products, I've always been concerned about ordering major assemblies like an engine or transmission from him or anyone else. If everything goes well then there is not an issue but if you have a warranty related failure then you pay freight both ways for the replacement and you pay your local mechanic (again) to install the replacement. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billr Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD That is not too bad. I was thinking I had been seeing them for $2,800. I just hope Jax is as reasonable as N. Alabama [that is where you are, right?] BillR -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 14, 2007 10:53 AM To: 'billr' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD Do a total rebuild - around here the cost is about $1,700. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billr Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:02 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] transmission toasted? 1981 300SD Final checks are being done at the moment by my mechanic, but initial indications are that my transmission may be shot. It has been giving some problems for a few months, most notably on my recent trip to VA it quit shifting into 4th, then wouldn't go into 3rd. Checked all vacuum connections but found nothing, then was fine from SC to VA and back to SC then home to Jax. Mostly it has just exhibited a slight flare from 2 - 3, getting a bit worse over the last couple of weeks. Last night I stopped in to get a bottle of Techron concentrate and when I tried to leave the parking lot nothing would engage at all. Mechanic reattached the linkage this morning, but it still will not go into gear. Thoughts on this problem; Thoughts on rebuild vs. finding a used one if this one is gone? Thanks in advance - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 295k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Transmission toasted
Peter T. Arnold wrote: I love the term Factory Rebuilt. Think they send them back to the Fatherland where Elves rebuild them? I met a fellow several years ago who was convinced that his new fender had Factory Paint on it! Yes, he thought that the new fender had been made and painted in the factory! In East Hartford, CT there was a dealer who rebuilt flathead fords in the 50's. They were advertised, stamped and invoiced as Factory Rebuilt. Because Ford wanted the royalty! Where are people like that when I have something to sell? Mercedes has a number of factory rebuilt assemblies. They ARE remanufactured a plants in Europe. They carry a 1-4 year warranty (specific to each part). They used to be a good value. Since the dollar has fallen (compared to the Euro) they are no longer a good value. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trans Fluid
Dan Weeks wrote: The single biggest factor in premature trans failure, besides overt abuse, is heat. WHen I used to tow, I installed a trans temp gauge in my tow cars. Ran fairly flimsey automatics (700R4) hundreds of thousands of miles without failures. Just made sure the trans was running cool. I'd like to plumb one into my 300SD sometime, just for kicks. Your 300SD (if it's a 126) should already have a transmission fluid cooler! Not sure about a 116 SD. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My latest score
I just bought a 140 also. Sweet one-owner '98 S420, as clean as you could imagine. A local dealer actually had it on the lot. Previous owner lived in the old-money part of town and (I swear I'm not making this up) his first name is Adolph. Used Mercedes provenance doesn't get much better than that. Might need a new thermostat, though. Not a stick, but after every other-marque three-pedal test drive I got back in the beat-up, bad-evaporator '95 S320 company car and thought ah. The realization that in January a year-long interstate closure is going to make my commute a living hell helped in the decision as well. I hadn't realized before just how much the 140 changed over its production run. A '97-'99 is an almost completely different car than a '92-'93; think 450SL vs 560SL. Tom '82 300D '96 Passat TDI (dead) '98 S420 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So I today I buy a 92 300SD from the Mercedes dealer in Wichita. I got them down 2k off there already VERY cheap price. 137k miles. Damn thing is near perfect. They dont mess with those old cars like that. I am surprised they didnt just run it thru the auction right off the bat. Geez, I have been missing the 140. It makes the 126 look like a POS FROD or something. When I got it home and was digging thru it, what do I find in the rear seat pocket but a BRAND NEW Ipod Nano. I mean BRAND NEW. Never been opened. Holy crap!! I dont care anything about Ipods but the wife does. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] IowaQ update -- getting colder
Good chance of our first frost tonight. Temporary setback, I am sure. Should still be shorts polo shirts weather in early October. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update -- getting colder
First frost? It was in the 90s here today and is supposed to drop down to 63 tonight. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/14/07 07:21 PM To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] IowaQ update -- getting colder -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Good chance of our first frost tonight. Temporary setback, I am sure. Should still be shorts polo shirts weather in early October. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update -- getting colder
Big-ass cold front rolled thru. I actually had to come home from work at 10:00 and put on a sweater. Changed into the yippie wear at lunch to go to a meeting, and the blue oxford shirt was enough to keep me warm during the afternoon. Gettin' chilly, though. Walnuts are falling so quickly that one needs a hard hat to check the garden. Dead leaves are starting to leave the branches. Only need to mow 1x/week rather than 2x/week. Ah, autumn is in the air and it feels good. Perfect motorcycle riding weather. On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First frost? It was in the 90s here today and is supposed to drop down to 63 tonight. Tom www.kegkits.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update -- getting colder
63? Haven't seen 63F in probably 8-9 months. It might get down to 75 tonight... Still decent bike weather after the sun goes down, though. Just bought a Mustang seat for the Virago and took it for a spin tonight. No monkey butt here. Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First frost? It was in the 90s here today and is supposed to drop down to 63 tonight. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/14/07 07:21 PM To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] IowaQ update -- getting colder -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Good chance of our first frost tonight. Temporary setback, I am sure. Should still be shorts polo shirts weather in early October. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Trans compatibility
Hello All, I'm having further bad luck with my fleet. I think the trans in my '87 300TD is finally toast. It's been on its way with lots of flaring but still got the job done. Now it will hardly shift into third and not into fourth at all. Fluid level is fine. I assume that bad vacuum wouldn't cause this. My real question is how compatible are various MB trannies. The tranny in this car is a 722.317. Is there any chance that a transmission (722.315) from an '82 300TD would work in this car? I've got two of these in my shed. Ralph Wasserbaech ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings
Found a dial indicator on eBay which has 0.0001 resolution (quite adequate for adjusting front wheel bearings :-) ) for $15. The fellow says he has 12, so I thought I'd pass the information along. http://cgi.ebay.com/dial-indicator_W0QQitemZ200146195835QQihZ010QQcategoryZ25272QQcmdZViewItem I also got a magnetic base (with on-off switch) for $7.95 and $11.25 shipping. Craig --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: 1995 manual tranny Nissan Maxima
My girlfriend ran low on clutch fluid on her 1995 Nissan Maxima, and looks like air got sucked in. Anyone have any suggestions on how to bleed the air out of the clutch? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog
The standard residential service entrance is 200amp, 220 volt or 44KW. But you can get by with much less. I have a 15KW unit (220v 65 amp) that runs everything except the two heat pumps and it would run those too except for the emergency heat strips. You also need to consider fuel. LP (and natural gas) is good forever and you can get large tanks (mine is 500gal underground). But long term storage of Diesel or gas is problematic and getting fuel is also a problem if power outages are widespread. Also, a big generator will use significantly more fuel than a small one for the same small load. Generac (aka Centurion and Guardian) and Briggs and Stratton sell packages with automatic switchover gear which are cost competitive. Kohler is more expensive as I recall. Those packages are designed to power a limited number (8-12) of circuits where each circuit is wired to the switchover box. In an existing installation, this means lots of splices in the existing power panel. You can also get a 100 amp switchover box that powers a whole subpanel for about the same price. If you go with a manual setup, you can turn off the breakers to big unnecessary loads (like a water heater) or not use them (like a dryer), disconnect from commercial power (preferably a break-before-make transfer switch) and apply generator power. This is the cheapest solution but it requires you to be there to set it up. I chose an automatic Generac system mainly in case I was out of town ... my wife is NOT mechanically inclined. If the power is out for about 15 seconds, it fires up the engine and switches the load to the generator after about a minute (for warm up). Later, it switches back to commercial power after the power comes back solid for a couple minutes. There have been cases when we did not know the power was out until we went outside and heard the generator. Personally, I think 5KW would be fine for a cabin or as a manual emergency power source but you probably want 10-15KW to run the whole house. And even then, don't run big loads like a dryer or electric heat. Also, for an automatic standby generator, I think LP or natural gas is the only way to go. If you have gas, you can also use it for heating (fire place, water heater, stove, etc.) so you won't have many really big electric loads. Finally, I think a 20-40KW generator is overkill and those are MUCH more expensive (although quieter because they are often water cooled and run at lower RPM) than the smaller units. Of course if you already have a big gas or diesel storage tank that you use regularly, you have other good options. Anyway, that's my experience and opinion. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 3:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog so what size would a person need that would run everything at the same time like regular line power? If I ever got one I would want it hooked into the house power with a switch or whatever to connect or disconnect it. What would be really great would be something that automatically kicks in if the power goes out. I bet something like that would be expensive though. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog During power outages, plan to use a camping stove or the BBQ and maybe the microwave. Don't wash the clothes etc. The generator will run the lights, the furnace fan, the refrigerator etc but probably not all at once. Be prepared to shift things around a bit. If you don't have outages often or for long, extension cords etc are probably sufficient. If it happens all the time and for longer than a few hours, then you will find it more comfortable if you have something bigger and more permanent. There is a nice writeup on a web site by a fellow in Florida who has to contend with hurricanes. He has a setup with one of the Lister style diesel engines and a big genrator head. He has written a good description of how and why he has done what he has and some tips on how to adjust the thing etc. I don't have the url here but it is on the computer at home and could be obtained if anyone is interested. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD for sale, low miles Calling Dan Weeks!
Could be a rust heap. Indiana uses a lot of salt in the winter. Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would bet it has been. Otherwise the guy would know what he has and it would be alot more. Loren Faeth wrote: In the local paper, there is an 83 300SD for sale, with a claim of 48k miles. Here's the ad: Mercedes Benz 300SD, 83. 48,000 original miles, turbo diesel, 4 door sedan, automatic transmission, new tires, sunroof, runs good, $3500. 515-450-5909 or 317-370-2253. 317 is an Indiana area code. No relationship etc to the seller. FYI Be careful about the mileage, could be tampered with. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
