Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
not if you put a layer of plywood and 2x planks on top of it to distribute the weight. Would make it more flammable though. How about a layer of plastic and then 2 of concrete on top. Would at least seal off the moisture coming up. Manfred Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:48:28 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And, I think the car would sink in a bit. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
There are sparks and there are SPARKS. That would have to be a SPARK (lightning size). Really try to light some up some time. See how long it takes to light up with a lighter right on it. If there's a spark hefty enough to light foam board up then I'm out of there 5 min ago because there is a lot of bad stuff happening that I wouldn't want to be anywhere near. Especially in a garage. BTW I'm currently building a house with 9 foam walls. A mini torch is a nice tool to make pockets and holes in the foam with. It will burn but not as easy as you have been told. Blows out readily. It takes concentrated heat applied and moving with the foam as it shrinks away from the heat. Probably will light easiest at a corner. Manfred Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing my statement on that alone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route. However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't want to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the airplane(s?). Looking back, I've spent the least, both dollars and time, maintaining the two cars we bought new - a 1974 Opel Manta, and the 1997 Plymouth van. Hence, my interest in blowing a large sum of money on a new car. I just want it to be the last one :-) In 20 years I'll be in my 80's, so it will be getting time to let others drive me around :-) The cheap basturd in me makes it real hard to pay doulbe the price for a new MB vs a VW, and why is an E class that much better than a C class? I see the gas engines lasting just as long as the Diesels now, and the fuel economy is nearly the same for both with the current direct injection ga engines. I hate that you can't buy a Diesel 4-matic C class here! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out of oil at some moment in time. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with minimal serious issues other than tinworm. I also don't expect our fueling choices to change much from current in the next 15-20 years... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:38 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 20120417204938.7c27af1d.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with minimal serious issues other than tinworm. Computer crap-out? That's plenty serious, likely, and it will be _the_ 'irreplacable part' that sends most to the crusher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat gas to get to propane and such. I was reminded that there is apparently some process to turn natural gas into diesel fuel and made me wonder if a diesel resurgence might be on the horizon. Fuel America with fuel from America. Gotta figure out how to get CARB on board... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
I have pine floors in my garage/barn! I take most of my welding projects outside. Always makes me nervous. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:24 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today. I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005. The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being a little rattly, runs just fine. The 2004, which is my car, just turned 150k and has no issues at all. Other than a rear wheel bearing, which I probably did, it hasn't cost me a dime other than for normal scheduled maintenance and tires. It is still a very solid car that I would get in and drive anywhere. While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with minimal serious issues other than tinworm. I also don't expect our fueling choices to change much from current in the next 15-20 years... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:38 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 20120417204938.7c27af1d.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Just make the bribe subtle and BIG enough, this is America after all. Cynical? Me? nah! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 4/18/2012 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday . Fuel America with fuel from America. Gotta figure out how to get CARB on board... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Speaking of heart pine, this months issue of Mother Earth has an article about a farmer in Alabama who is running 3 pickup trucks on wood gas. Mother Earth News April/May 2012 pp.56 He seems to have put together the simplest wood gas system I've read about so far. Unfortunately he doesn't reveal details of his designs; although they might come out in later editions of Mother Earth or be for sale. He estimates that if he had to buy wood by the cord, it would cost him ten cents per mile to run his pickups. At 20 mpg that would be the equivalent of $2.00 per gallon of gas. In areas with lots of trees, such as where we live in North Florida, it seems like this could be a viable option for DIYers. Gerry - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D shutoff
On 4/18/12, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: what year 300D is this? any chance it's an '85? cheers! e On 16/Apr/12 16:39, Tim C wrote: On Apr 15, 2012 11:49 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:11:44 -0400 Tim Cbb...@crone.us wrote: I finally replaced the shutoff for the 300D this afternoon. I presume this is a OM617 based 300D. Good catch, yes. Thanks. :) Can disconnected vacuum cause no start, too? No. The line is connected anyway, in fact everything looks plugged up correctly. Never replaced the driver foot well cover and haven't really regretted it... ;) I took the shutoff out again, and it doesn't seem to be stuck - the pull bar is sitting well past what it's pulling, and the stop lever makes it skip a touch if I pull the lever back, so I think that's right. What happens when you suck on the vacuum line to the shutoff? Does the lever on the side of the injection pump move down? That's what should happen before you try to start the engine. I didn't have my mityvac out this morning, but sucking against the tube I was able to feel the click against the lever. I probably have the mityvac in the other car but I didn't want to spend all my time looking for it. Thanks for any tips, If you don't get the shutoff connected properly, I understand the engine can run away and you won't be able to make it stop. Thanks for that, I grabbed some plastic bags just in case. Alas still no start this morning. I am starting to wonder if it is just glow, but the engine doesn't even stumble - I've always been able to make it catch without draining the battery even if I completely neglect glow, but I can't think that anything else would be so sudden. I guess the IP could have given up the ghost, but it seems to take in fuel if I break the line at the filter. Or maybe my battery decided to give it up? Though rotation speed sounds reasonable. Compression, fuel, air, exhaust, right? Figure I'll work on it tomorrow until the rain starts, probably start cracking injector lines... Thanks, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Didn't the Germans do that in WW2? The fuel part I mean, though they probably could have handled CARB as well. --R On 4/18/12 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat gas to get to propane and such. I was reminded that there is apparently some process to turn natural gas into diesel fuel and made me wonder if a diesel resurgence might be on the horizon. Fuel America with fuel from America. Gotta figure out how to get CARB on board... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT CL Idiot bad as stove
http://charleston.craigslist.org/app/2964848477.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
The real issue of concern is the dry heart pine doesn't emit deadly toxins when it burns on the scale the foam does. It is worth doing some research on just what foam does to humans when it burns. Not all foam is the same, so you have to be research specific but none of it emits good stuff. Some foam emits [gasses off] nasties even without burning. The emissions, once absorbed by humans, causes permanent harm. You can't undo it with medicine. I a member of another board that only deals with bus conversion to motorhome and spray foam insulation is an obvious way to insulate the interior to make it a home instead of a 'bus'... several guys have really harmed themselves with the nasty chemical emitions while installing and working with it.. Use caution, know what you are doing. Grant... AZ On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:24 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
A wood gas rig might work better as a trailer since you need the whole bed of the truck to fit all the bits. I can see it now, 100,000 cars at rush hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away, hahahhaha... a the wave of the future... talking on the cell, sipping your latte`, checking your text msgs, and running the wood gas boiler,, all at the same time getting to work on time... Road Rage anyone??? :))) let's just drill and pump,,, shall we? Vote early,,, vote often... On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Speaking of heart pine, this months issue of Mother Earth has an article about a farmer in Alabama who is running 3 pickup trucks on wood gas. Mother Earth News April/May 2012 pp.56 He seems to have put together the simplest wood gas system I've read about so far. Unfortunately he doesn't reveal details of his designs; although they might come out in later editions of Mother Earth or be for sale. He estimates that if he had to buy wood by the cord, it would cost him ten cents per mile to run his pickups. At 20 mpg that would be the equivalent of $2.00 per gallon of gas. In areas with lots of trees, such as where we live in North Florida, it seems like this could be a viable option for DIYers. Gerry - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
CARB is a sinking ship, let it sink and let's move forward. Grow a set America ! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat gas to get to propane and such. I was reminded that there is apparently some process to turn natural gas into diesel fuel and made me wonder if a diesel resurgence might be on the horizon. Fuel America with fuel from America. Gotta figure out how to get CARB on board... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
I saw that in Terminator --R On 4/18/12 10:59 AM, G Mann wrote: I can see it now, 100,000 cars at rush hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away, hahahhaha... a the wave of the future... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Honey, I was thinking....
to either buy another Benz or get into this sort of thing http://photos.mercurynews.com/2012/04/video-pleasanton-man-flies-a-boeing-737-in-his-garage/9029/ Which would you prefer? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Honey, I was thinking....
Tough call. That is pretty cool. Dan On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: to either buy another Benz or get into this sort of thing http://photos.mercurynews.com/2012/04/video-pleasanton-man-flies-a-boeing-737-in-his-garage/9029/ Which would you prefer? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire changing struggles
I agree totally. If the vehicle was on a hoist and you could lift the tire up and hold it at waist height, it might be fairly easy with the smaller car tires but doing it at ground level makes it so much more difficult. Randy On 17/04/2012 7:43 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:39:37 +0930 Hendrik Fayheni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Sounds like you need to hit the gym and build up the muscles a bit, 53 pounds is not a lot for a man. In the form of a dumbell, yes, but placing a tire/wheel where it needs to go is much more awkward and can be fraught with unforeseen difficulties. Although when I change a truck tire, I use a bar under it to lift. Now that's cheating! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
And then lift the whole garage to make up for it. The cars go in fine but there is not a lot of clearance to the overhead door with my F150 Supercrew. Randy On 17/04/2012 9:26 PM, OK Don wrote: Cover the existing floor with the foam boards, then pour two inches of concrete over that . . . On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Well that was me. One side has very thin foil, one side has very thin plastic. I could see the sheets could be quite flammable. I have some scraps, I should try it. --R On 4/17/12 3:05 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Interesting. I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming. Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made the foam sheet suggestion? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Maybe, but is the issue with the foamboard not more of a concern with the gases it gives off when there is a fire? Most plastics are not friendly to the lungs in a fire. Maybe wood smoke is not either, but I think I would rather take my chances with it than the plastic smoke. Randy On 18/04/2012 6:24 AM, MG wrote: Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
On 18/04/2012 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today. I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005. The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being a little rattly, runs just fine. The 2004, which is my car, just turned 150k and has no issues at all. Other than a rear wheel bearing, which I probably did, it hasn't cost me a dime other than for normal scheduled maintenance and tires. It is still a very solid car that I would get in and drive anywhere. While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan I suggest it also depends to a great extent, on how hard one drives it. I am not suggesting that one must baby a vehicle all of the time, but I do see people driving who, to me at least, appear to be abusing their vehicles. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Guys, I've been preaching this for years. During WWII the Germans needed a source for diesel and couldn't get oil so they created diesel from natural gas. This was lost after the war and everyone could once again get oil. Then several years ago (6-10) one of the colleges on the Left Coast ran a project to revive this method of creating diesel. From the last I read, they got it down to a 4-step process. If I remember correctly, they envisioned portable conversion plants for remote areas to convert it and then truck to existing distribution lines/pipelines. Their final description was that diesel from natural gas was just as clean as natural gas (0 emissions), provided better power and yielded better mileage than oil based diesel. And that we already have a pipeline distribution system and diesel tanks and pumps at the gas stations, so no need to create a whole new network with the time needed and the additional costs. I think this process would be great for our country and get us off of dependence on foreign oil. Just some additional info to add to the discussion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Honey, I was thinking....
I'd rather put the effort into the real thing (and I am) -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittman_Tailwind and this will be next: http://www.doubleeagleairplane.com/ On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: to either buy another Benz or get into this sort of thing http://photos.mercurynews.com/**2012/04/video-pleasanton-man-** flies-a-boeing-737-in-his-**garage/9029/http://photos.mercurynews.com/2012/04/video-pleasanton-man-flies-a-boeing-737-in-his-garage/9029/ Which would you prefer? --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?
I think I want a diesel truck. I worry that I might be hard on it in the winter with short runs but I would really like to have one in the summer for the highway runs to the lake. So, educate me if you can. I think I want the Dodge with the Cummins. I know I don't want the Ford. I am not sure about a GM product. The Cummins seems to be the best of the lot. But, the new ones are big. The earlier one made better mileage did it not? How new could I get without being in the new version? Early 2000's? What do I not want? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Which is why I'm leaning towards a new one - I know what I do to them, how I maintained them, etc. That reduces the work needing to be done during the cars lifetime. It is a consumable item, not an investment, but they're priced like investments! My observations of other's cars has been that the ordinary cars (yes, my MB bigotry is showing) have good drive trains for the most part, but the bodies fall apart starting around 100k miles. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/04/2012 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today. I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005. The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being a little rattly, runs just fine. The 2004, which is my car, just turned 150k and has no issues at all. Other than a rear wheel bearing, which I probably did, it hasn't cost me a dime other than for normal scheduled maintenance and tires. It is still a very solid car that I would get in and drive anywhere. While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan I suggest it also depends to a great extent, on how hard one drives it. I am not suggesting that one must baby a vehicle all of the time, but I do see people driving who, to me at least, appear to be abusing their vehicles. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Yes, we should be doing this - a surplus of one resource, and a need for another - convert the gas to Diesel. However, the companies that will be doing this (unless the government nationalizes it) will be selling to the highest bidder - likely China, India, Brazel, etc. THERE IS NO US OIL - get over it. It's owned, produced, distributed, and sold by International corporations who have NO national interest. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I've been preaching this for years. During WWII the Germans needed a source for diesel and couldn't get oil so they created diesel from natural gas. This was lost after the war and everyone could once again get oil. Then several years ago (6-10) one of the colleges on the Left Coast ran a project to revive this method of creating diesel. From the last I read, they got it down to a 4-step process. If I remember correctly, they envisioned portable conversion plants for remote areas to convert it and then truck to existing distribution lines/pipelines. Their final description was that diesel from natural gas was just as clean as natural gas (0 emissions), provided better power and yielded better mileage than oil based diesel. And that we already have a pipeline distribution system and diesel tanks and pumps at the gas stations, so no need to create a whole new network with the time needed and the additional costs. I think this process would be great for our country and get us off of dependence on foreign oil. Just some additional info to add to the discussion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire disaster
These are for W108, W115 and R107. I always install Michelin 205/70/14, which has roughly the same diameter (645mm) as the original 185HR14 (650mm) tires. I wish the MXV4 were still available in that size. They wore out very quickly, but what a great tire. Unfortunately they are only available in gangsta sizes now. Every car I've acquired with non-Michelin tires has had endless balancing, thrown belt, wobble, etc problems. This has included Conti, Yokohama and Goodyear tires at various points in time. It mystifies me why someone would put up with all of that to save ten or twenty dollars a tire. Looks like the Defender is now the replacement for the Harmony. My goal is comfort and quietness, and I'm suspicious that they've compromised on comfort for other things. I couldn't care less about wear ratings or fuel efficiency (as though tires are going to help a 280SEL 4.5 save any gas!). I'm also looking for a set of 180HR15 Michelin XAS tires for my Citroen DS. Apart from Coker in the US and Longstone in the UK, is there another source for vintage tires in the US? D. Craig wrote: So what model car do you want to use it on? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D shutoff
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/18/12, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: what year 300D is this? any chance it's an '85? '77. My son observed that there was a little white smoke coming out the back, so I started into upgrading the glow plugs yesterday - maybe it is just a coincidence. I let son crank for a few seconds, it is definitely popping out unburned fuel - but it's not a big cloud of smoke just small pops at three or four per second. I did notice some interesting things about the internals of the IP, I'm curious if they are normal: 1) Moving the action (I'll call it the internal bar since I don't know the proper name) inside the IP doesn't make the external lever move. However, pulling and pushing the external lever does move the internal bar back and forth. 2) There is a hole, as if for a spring, on the near side of the internal bar. Obviously there is no spring or other connection, should there be? This is opposite where the stop lever pulls. Loren, not sure about the rack/rack cover. Is there a job in the manual that would have this in it? Or if you can roughly direct me to which cover is the rack cover I'd appreciate it. :) Almost everything I did yesterday was with the vacuum to the stop lever disconnected and the line plugged, and the piece looks the same as the old one, so I don't think it's the part itself - now I'm looking for something else I broke / knocked loose. Thanks, -Tim wouldn't be having this problem if he'd kept to his only one broken car at a time rule On 16/Apr/12 16:39, Tim C wrote: On Apr 15, 2012 11:49 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:11:44 -0400 Tim Cbb...@crone.us wrote: I finally replaced the shutoff for the 300D this afternoon. I presume this is a OM617 based 300D. Good catch, yes. Thanks. :) Can disconnected vacuum cause no start, too? No. The line is connected anyway, in fact everything looks plugged up correctly. Never replaced the driver foot well cover and haven't really regretted it... ;) I took the shutoff out again, and it doesn't seem to be stuck - the pull bar is sitting well past what it's pulling, and the stop lever makes it skip a touch if I pull the lever back, so I think that's right. What happens when you suck on the vacuum line to the shutoff? Does the lever on the side of the injection pump move down? That's what should happen before you try to start the engine. I didn't have my mityvac out this morning, but sucking against the tube I was able to feel the click against the lever. I probably have the mityvac in the other car but I didn't want to spend all my time looking for it. Thanks for any tips, If you don't get the shutoff connected properly, I understand the engine can run away and you won't be able to make it stop. Thanks for that, I grabbed some plastic bags just in case. Alas still no start this morning. I am starting to wonder if it is just glow, but the engine doesn't even stumble - I've always been able to make it catch without draining the battery even if I completely neglect glow, but I can't think that anything else would be so sudden. I guess the IP could have given up the ghost, but it seems to take in fuel if I break the line at the filter. Or maybe my battery decided to give it up? Though rotation speed sounds reasonable. Compression, fuel, air, exhaust, right? Figure I'll work on it tomorrow until the rain starts, probably start cracking injector lines... Thanks, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I can't say I baby my car, but it's pretty tough to drive a 4 cylinder car hard, I think. Dan On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/04/2012 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today. I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005. The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being a little rattly, runs just fine. The 2004, which is my car, just turned 150k and has no issues at all. Other than a rear wheel bearing, which I probably did, it hasn't cost me a dime other than for normal scheduled maintenance and tires. It is still a very solid car that I would get in and drive anywhere. While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan I suggest it also depends to a great extent, on how hard one drives it. I am not suggesting that one must baby a vehicle all of the time, but I do see people driving who, to me at least, appear to be abusing their vehicles. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think I want a diesel truck. I worry that I might be hard on it in the winter with short runs but I would really like to have one in the summer for the highway runs to the lake. We went through the same with the van... though in the end cost won out. (Here, used, you can buy two nearly-new gas passenger vans for the price of one well-used diesel.) Being as how you are in the far north you might consider buying a small gas truck [Toyota or whatever] and then renting a big diesel in the summer. Anyway, I found that the best source for model / year information on these normal vehicle lines was wikipedia. I still had to hoof it for reliability data but the generations, changes in standard equipment, and options are clearly delineated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Ram Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
It doesn't seem to happen though, at least not on lower end vehicles that I experience. My '96 Dakota had 222,000 when the tin worm got so bad I got rid of it. Dad's got a Jeep Liberty that has 160,000 on it now and I have to admit has been a pretty good vehicle although I still don't like it. My Ranger only has 80,000 but its going on 9 years old now... We work our vehicles too, Dad's Jeep goes offroad every single day pretty much. He's a landfill manager and makes the trek around the landfill every morning at least. The interior of his jeep is disgusting, his landfill is full of ash from a trash to energy plant, the ash gets everywhere. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:53:45 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 888a737b-8955-11e1-98a0-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with minimal serious issues other than tinworm. Computer crap-out? That's plenty serious, likely, and it will be _the_ 'irreplacable part' that sends most to the crusher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Sure, but I'd still argue any car of today even with ZERO maintenance (just put in gas and drive) would last 50-60k where one from 40 years ago MIGHT have made 10k. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:00:00 -0400 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 7d6b5c1b-5a04-428a-abd1-0d4762c9b...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood gas
I looked into this a couple years ago to run a generator at camp since we've got lots of wood and it seems VERY complicated. The other issue is how much wood you can haul along on your trip. Wood is not energy dense compared to oil. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:23:24 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: 444B79F8C0524DAB9943E3FB9EEBA71A@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Speaking of heart pine, this months issue of Mother Earth has an article about a farmer in Alabama who is running 3 pickup trucks on wood gas. Mother Earth News April/May 2012 pp.56 He seems to have put together the simplest wood gas system I've read about so far. Unfortunately he doesn't reveal details of his designs; although they might come out in later editions of Mother Earth or be for sale. He estimates that if he had to buy wood by the cord, it would cost him ten cents per mile to run his pickups. At 20 mpg that would be the equivalent of $2.00 per gallon of gas. In areas with lots of trees, such as where we live in North Florida, it seems like this could be a viable option for DIYers. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
I understand that but I think in the end I'd just prefer to not have the thing burn down... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:43:39 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: 4f8ee12b.1040...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Maybe, but is the issue with the foamboard not more of a concern with the gases it gives off when there is a fire? Most plastics are not friendly to the lungs in a fire. Maybe wood smoke is not either, but I think I would rather take my chances with it than the plastic smoke. Randy On 18/04/2012 6:24 AM, MG wrote: Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
OK Don wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Diesel is used in planes, train, ships, trucks, and tractors. In my opinion, diesel will be available so long as fuel is available. Gasoline is used by automobiles and lawnmowers - thus is quite subject to fads. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?
Easy, you don't want a diesel trunk... You don't drive enough, you don't tow enough, you don't work a truck hard enough. You're not going to be happy with the mileage, you're not going to be happy with the maintenance, you're not going to be happy with the cold starts, and you're not going to like how a 3/4 ton truck rides vs your 1/2 ton Ford. I want a diesel truck too but have to recognize it would be totally wrong for me. If you really want a NEW truck go get one with a big v8 gasser, it'll be more fun and realistically the fuel economy is a small portion of the overall cost of ownership. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:16:16 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 4f8ee8d0.10...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think I want a diesel truck. I worry that I might be hard on it in the winter with short runs but I would really like to have one in the summer for the highway runs to the lake. So, educate me if you can. I think I want the Dodge with the Cummins. I know I don't want the Ford. I am not sure about a GM product. The Cummins seems to be the best of the lot. But, the new ones are big. The earlier one made better mileage did it not? How new could I get without being in the new version? Early 2000's? What do I not want? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Incorrect measurement, bodies start to fall apart at 8-10 YEARS. Miles makes no difference to the body. Even then how you take care of it will make more difference. Undercoat with used motor oil and the vehicle will last much longer. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:16:58 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: canzcij8gfzebydna9zx50oras_jrccn76miouwdakix_mro...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Which is why I'm leaning towards a new one - I know what I do to them, how I maintained them, etc. That reduces the work needing to be done during the cars lifetime. It is a consumable item, not an investment, but they're priced like investments! My observations of other's cars has been that the ordinary cars (yes, my MB bigotry is showing) have good drive trains for the most part, but the bodies fall apart starting around 100k miles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install
OK, any special tricks or tips to getting the head/manifold to mate with the turbo/block? I do have a nice lift. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 17, 2012 10:28:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install That's how I did it also -- On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: That's how I do it Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Dieselvolk, I'm working on installing the new head on my '87 wagon. Has anyone ever installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place? The angle of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is working against me, but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to overcome that. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood gas
If you get a chance, buy the magazine or look it up on the 'net next month since it might be there by then. This farmer seems to have simplified the whole process. The earlier versions turned me off too considering their complexity. He describes a fairly long trip he made and apparently took the necessary wood along. There is so much data in this article, I don't have time to type it all out. He did tell about driving 2000 miles to the Bonneville Salt Flats and winning the wood gas speed trials. The whole article sounds too good to be true, but he names a professor at Auburn Univ who did a lot of testing on his rigs. You probably have a lot of wood available at your camp, so a project like this might be worthwhile. For me, the critical point would be when and if the plans become available. Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com I looked into this a couple years ago to run a generator at camp since we've got lots of wood and it seems VERY complicated. The other issue is how much wood you can haul along on your trip. Wood is not energy dense compared to oil. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:23:24 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: 444B79F8C0524DAB9943E3FB9EEBA71A@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Speaking of heart pine, this months issue of Mother Earth has an article about a farmer in Alabama who is running 3 pickup trucks on wood gas. Mother Earth News April/May 2012 pp.56 He seems to have put together the simplest wood gas system I've read about so far. Unfortunately he doesn't reveal details of his designs; although they might come out in later editions of Mother Earth or be for sale. He estimates that if he had to buy wood by the cord, it would cost him ten cents per mile to run his pickups. At 20 mpg that would be the equivalent of $2.00 per gallon of gas. In areas with lots of trees, such as where we live in North Florida, it seems like this could be a viable option for DIYers. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4944 - Release Date: 04/18/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Happy day, installing head on wagon
Dieselvolk, Yesterday I started with checking the valve guide work done by a local shop, to see how much radial play between valve stem and new guides. Removed the keepers and spring from one valve, pulled it out a short distance (didn't want to mess up the new seals), and smiled. It needed pressure to move the normal travel path (gravity alone would never move that valve!) and I could detect no radial play by finger. I decided to skip the long set-up for the dial indicator, called it good, and put the spring and keeper back in place. I moved on to installing the exhaust manifold onto the head (30 Nm), and also installed the turbo onto the engine block. I'd removed the alternator bracket in order to remove the timing case, and that bracket also is used for the turbo support. Bracket hadn't been cleaned yet (still caked with oil/dust from the front crank seal leak), I spent about an hour with Simple Green and various brushes getting the majority of the gunk off, then rinsed it off with water to keep the acid in the SG from attacking the aluminum. Finished with brake cleaner, and then also rinsed off the alternator side of the block with brake cleaner (need to set up the box fan for that, the nose of car at inside end of the garage stall and I need all the brain cells I have left). Ok, where are all the nuts and bolts? The five cap bolts for the bracket to block were in their places on the block, but it took a bit of digging to find the hex-key cap bolts for the turbo support bracket to be mounted onto the bracket. Thought about cleaning some of the oily mess off the turbo, but decided to leave that alone, too much risk getting junk inside the turbo. Cleaned out the dust/dirt that had managed to migrate into the intake side of the turbo, then lowered that into place from above, and it rested nicely in the tension between the exhaust pipe and the intake connection from the air cleaner. Realized I could not find the three nuts for the exhaust connection to the turbo, mental note to order from Rusty. Spent about 30 long minutes to get the oil feed line screwed back into the side of the block. Nice access from above, would have been a real bear if the turbo were still attached to the exhaust manifold/head which block access from the top. Even with clear access, I've got the front tires up on planks for easier access under the front of the car, and at my average stature, it's a bit hard on the knees and back to reach all the way to the back right corner of the block to attach the oil feed. Would have been easier to remove the oil feed line from the top of the turbo and make the block connection first and then the top connection, but that is another gasket to order or make, and I don't have any gasket material. RTV instead of a gasket? (just kidding Loren). I left the turbo oil drain pipe off, I do need a new gasket for that connection, it was not included in the head gasket kit from Rusty. Mental addition to the shopping list. I know I've asked before, I neglected to save the answer where I can find it now. What is the preferred lubricant for the big green o-rings used throughout the intake system? There two o-rings for a short connection from turbo to the EGR mixing housing, and two for similar connection from mixing housing to the charge air pipe (aka cross-over pipe). The gasket from exhaust manifold to the turbo is another that I need. Original is metal, similar in construction to the gasket for the exhaust manifold to head seal. I don't see it in the EPC yet... After I'd gotten as far as I could with that, I loosened most of the bolts hold the oil pan to the block, so that the front of the oil pan can drop a couple millimeters to allow the timing case top surface to be perfectly flush when the head is installed. Time for the BIG torque!! Rusty sent me the 1st version of the bolt which holds the hub to the front of the crankshaft, which requires a 300 Nm torque. My wrench only goes to 200 Nm, so I had asked my independent mechanic Hans about this several months ago. He recommended just putting the breaker bar on it and calling it good. I could have gotten fancy with some math, a scale, a jack and a long extension on the breaker bar, but the angles just don't work too well. I used my torque wrench to hit 200 Nm, then put on the breaker bar and extension and leaned into to for another 5 or 10 degrees of rotation, and called it good enough. Next time I take the car in for service where they have a torque wrench that reaches 300 Nm, I'll have them check my work. I had to mount the pointer for the crankshaft vibration damper, it had been removed to clean the timing chain case cover, so I set up the dial indicator to put the crank at TDC and removed the crankshaft lock. Dug around and found the pointer and the bolt to mount it and put it in place
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Not paying your fair share are you?? ... I'm ridden with guilt... yours, not mine, that is.. If you buy biodiesel at any pump as blended fuel tax has been paid, and you will pay that tax. If you make your own, be sure to report yourself and spend the next 5 lifetimes being investigated by every 3 letter agency known to government, including Department of Defense. Save the Whales has come to mean, protect those who shop at WalMart... or in Congress... Frankly Scarlet... I don't give a damn if taxes are paid or not. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the materials used to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?
Yeah, I know But, I like diesels. Randy On 18/04/2012 12:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Easy, you don't want a diesel truck... You don't drive enough, you don't tow enough, you don't work a truck hard enough. You're not going to be happy with the mileage, you're not going to be happy with the maintenance, you're not going to be happy with the cold starts, and you're not going to like how a 3/4 ton truck rides vs your 1/2 ton Ford. I want a diesel truck too but have to recognize it would be totally wrong for me. If you really want a NEW truck go get one with a big v8 gasser, it'll be more fun and realistically the fuel economy is a small portion of the overall cost of ownership. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:16:16 -0500 From: Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas? Message-ID:4f8ee8d0.10...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think I want a diesel truck. I worry that I might be hard on it in the winter with short runs but I would really like to have one in the summer for the highway runs to the lake. So, educate me if you can. I think I want the Dodge with the Cummins. I know I don't want the Ford. I am not sure about a GM product. The Cummins seems to be the best of the lot. But, the new ones are big. The earlier one made better mileage did it not? How new could I get without being in the new version? Early 2000's? What do I not want? Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report
to detect by such an imprecise method. This suggests to me that the bolt holding on the eccentric has come loose. and that the pin/dowel is no longer holding the eccentric in place.It explains just about everything I know about this situation. So now I have the following questions: I don't expect individuals on this forum necessarily to know the answers, but if anyone does happen to know, please respond. 1. If I start at TDC, is there a position I could rotate the crank to that would put the eccentric at its closest position to the hole? (right now I have the crank at TDC, but the cam sprocket and distributor are off by 180) 2. Am I correct to conclude that the bolt is loose and the dowel/pin is not holding the eccentric in place?. Do my observations make sense? 3. How far up and down does the eccentric move? That is, how much does it move the FP arm? (not very much it would appear) 4. Could the eccentric be held on only by the dowel/pin and its the bolt that has come out? 5. Is the bolt holding the eccentric on also holding the cam sprocket on? Is this looseness a concern for the cam sprocket? 6. What does this say about the safety of now starting the engine using a temporary electric fuel pump? (My concern was that the engine may be out of time and I could do damage by having the camshaft out of synch with the crankshaft) 6a. Could the bolt come out farther and cause damage? 6b. If the fuel pump is reinstalled, and the engine run with it installed what risk am I taking, given that the eccentric is loose? 6c. Could the engine run indefinitely with the loose eccentric and the pump installed? How about with the pump not installed and a plate over the opening? I guess what I'm asking here is if that now loose eccentric and bolt could become looser, or even come off and get caught in the sprockets, or allow the cam sprocket to come loose. 7. Can you think of a way to get more traction with my wood dowel, so I can try to turn the eccentric farther? 8. Is there an absolute, positive way of knowing if this is an interference engine? I have several opinions and they don't agree. (example: The engine isn't an interference fit, the pistons are valve relieved. (example: All Ford FE engines are interference engines. Even with a large dish in the piston. If the cam came out of timing the engine would have bent valves and probably frozen and not rotate. Jerry 82 240D 72 Ford F250 __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7067 (20120418) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report
Let me preface this with the comment that I have never had a 390 cid engine apart - so take this for what it is worth. Howeve, I rebuilt a 302 Ford a few years back. The fuel pump eccentric bolted onto the front of the cam was a 2 part thing. There was an inner part and an outer part such that it acted like a big bearing. There are also 1 piece units that do not do that. I got one of those but did not end up using it. So, the fact that you can move something with the dowel does not mean it is not working correctly if it is the first style that I mentioned above. You might try holding the dowel against the eccentric and turning the engine over to see if the dowel moves. That might tell you that the eccentric is ok. Does the arm on the old pump look worn? Are you sure the new pump is the correct pump? I think the only real way to know for sure will be to pull the timing chain cover. It would be a fine opportunity to throw in a chain set and ought not to be all that expensive. I should think in a truck it wouldn't be too tough to do it in place. Randy On 18/04/2012 5:43 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: Jerry Herrman originally wrote: : Anyone out there with experience as an engine mechanic involving an older Ford 390 engine, specifically the fuel pump? This is on a '72 F250 I'm gonna get ready to sell. Last week when it would not start, I disconnected the fuel line where it enters the carburetor and found that the (mechanical) fuel pump was not delivering gasoline to the carburetor. Knowing that the fuel pump has been in there since at least 1978 when I bought it, and possibly since new in 1972, I was suspicious that it had failed. I bought a new (Carter) at Pep Boys and removed the old one (which involved disconnecting the power steering assembly and moving it aside). I then installed the new fuel pump and was disappointed to find that it did not move the fuel either. I then attached a fuel line to a container of gas and turned over the engine with the starter. The new fuel pump would not suck up the gas. I then removed the new pump and tested it by running the fuel line into the container and moving the lever by hand. It sucked up the fuel readily. Then I hooked up the old pump to the fuel line and tested it by hand. Lo and behold, it also sucked up the fuel just fine. This told me that my old pump was still working. I reinstalled the old pump and hooked it up to the container. It would not suck it up. So, to review, both new and old (40 years old!) fuel pumps work fine when hand operated, and neither works when installed on the car. Enters now the possibility that I did not install the new pump correctly. However, if that is the case, why was the old pump not working before I removed it? By process of elimination, I am left with the unhappy prospect that the lever on each pump is not being moved up and down by the cam lobe. So I tried to peek inside that hole and noticed that there is what appears to be a chain inside, and it appears to be kinda loose, and I can move it by poking it with a screwdriver. When I crank the engine, the chain seems to move. I cannot see straight inside, but by putting in a screwdriver, I can feel what may be an eccentric cam, though I can't be sure. Looks like a huge job to remove the cover plate over this area to see what is going on. Hence my appeal to someone familiar with this area of this engine. Could that eccentric cam not be moving? If so, if I run the engine, will I do more damage? By the way, last time I ran the engine, it was just fine. Can't understand why, with the vehicle just sitting there, the cam would stop moving. I plan to bypass the mechanical fuel pump and install an electric pump, but I worry that something is wrong inside the engine. What do you think? UPDATE I hooked up an electric fuel pump temporarily. The gas flowed just fine. This eliminates a blockage as the cause of the fuel pump not delivering fuel. I remain baffled that the old and new pump work when operated manually off the engine, but not when bolted in place. Should I be concerned that there is a defect or broken part in the timing case part of the engine, and that by strarting the engine I will do more damage? TODAY'S NEW INFORMATION April 18 2012 I finally have some specific information that can help move forward the understanding of this situation. Today, I removed the old fuel pump from the engine and also removed other items that were crowding that area of the engine. First, I put to rest any concern that the pump could be put in incorrectly. After trial and error, I determined that there is no way to put that fuel pump into that hole other than the correct way. I then inserted a wood dowel into the hole whilst leaning down and over the engine with a flashlight and peering in. I clearly saw the eccentric that drives the pump handle. It was loose to the extent that I was able to turn it a ways one way and the other with the dowel (I'm
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Gas. Both will be sold, probably add natural gas to that list. I think gasoline's dominance won't change, but diesel will gain some. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? Any new car is capable of that. Real question is which one would you prefer to drive for twenty years. I'd take the Benz. -Max -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300SD steering slop
OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat gas to get to propane and such. I was reminded that there is apparently some process to turn natural gas into diesel fuel and made me wonder if a diesel resurgence might be on the horizon. Fuel America with fuel from America. Gotta figure out how to get CARB on board... Better plan would be convert our gas cars to run on CNG. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes: Better plan would be convert our gas cars to run on CNG. Except that requires huge new infrastructure in fueling stations and delivery, not just producing the vehicles. Same problem with hydrogen-fueled cars. Diesel works in the pumps and delivery systems we have now. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I was referring to the people who make their own. In some states the fuel tax goes directly to the highway fund and that is the only source of the state highway fund. If you have a problem paying fuel taxes, don't drive. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Gas. Both will be sold, probably add natural gas to that list. I think gasoline's dominance won't change, but diesel will gain some. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? Any new car is capable of that. Real question is which one would you prefer to drive for twenty years. I'd take the Benz. -Max -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
For sure that stuff is nasty. Only do the hole burning when the wind is blowing a bit to carry the fumes away. Sure don't want to breath that stuff. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:53:14 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy The real issue of concern is the dry heart pine doesn't emit deadly toxins when it burns on the scale the foam does. It is worth doing some research on just what foam does to humans when it burns. Not all foam is the same, so you have to be research specific but none of it emits good stuff. Some foam emits [gasses off] nasties even without burning. The emissions, once absorbed by humans, causes permanent harm. You can't undo it with medicine. I a member of another board that only deals with bus conversion to motorhome and spray foam insulation is an obvious way to insulate the interior to make it a home instead of a 'bus'... several guys have really harmed themselves with the nasty chemical emitions while installing and working with it.. Use caution, know what you are doing. Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Honey, I was thinking....
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: to either buy another Benz or get into this sort of thing http://photos.mercurynews.com/2012/04/video-pleasanton-man-flies-a-boeing-737-in-his-garage/9029/ You could rent it out to the movie production folk, or sell tickets to Boeing during their corporate retreat at Kiowah. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the materials used to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye. But not the road tax. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: I think I want the Dodge with the Cummins. I know I don't want the Ford. I am not sure about a GM product. GM is an Isuzu. Ford is their own, I think. Cummins is... well, Cummins. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I need to come out and see your new place sometime. On 4/18/2012 7:41 AM, OK Don wrote: I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route. However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't want to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the airplane(s?). Looking back, I've spent the least, both dollars and time, maintaining the two cars we bought new - a 1974 Opel Manta, and the 1997 Plymouth van. Hence, my interest in blowing a large sum of money on a new car. I just want it to be the last one :-) In 20 years I'll be in my 80's, so it will be getting time to let others drive me around :-) The cheap basturd in me makes it real hard to pay doulbe the price for a new MB vs a VW, and why is an E class that much better than a C class? I see the gas engines lasting just as long as the Diesels now, and the fuel economy is nearly the same for both with the current direct injection ga engines. I hate that you can't buy a Diesel 4-matic C class here! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Brian Toscanobrian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out of oil at some moment in time. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Manng2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoblerickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, we should be doing this - a surplus of one resource, and a need for another - convert the gas to Diesel. However, the companies that will be doing this (unless the government nationalizes it) will be selling to the highest bidder - likely China, India, Brazel, etc. THERE IS NO US OIL - get over it. It's owned, produced, distributed, and sold by International corporations who have NO national interest. Yep. International market sets the price. Used as CNG we can avoid that, we just need the infrastructure and the cars. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. I don't think there's any harm in adjusting it slightly, to see if you get improvement. Just don't adjust it so far as to remove ALL the slack. I don't really know ho much is considered normal; my 300D has about as much slop as yours, based on your description. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
My Grandfather ran a 2 1/2 ton truck during the war on wood gas. The rig and wood was on the truck bed and the truck pulled a trailer to carry the cargo. The helper rode in the bed and put wood in the burner when it was needed. Putting the gas generator on a trailer wouldn't work very well as a pretty large hose is needed to connect to the intake on the engine. There also wouldn't be very much smoke from the generator in use as that is what is ingested by the engine at least while it is running. There may however be a bit more smoke from the tailpipe. I haven't had one running but I have done some looking into what it would take, even have some plans somewhere. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:59:54 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy A wood gas rig might work better as a trailer since you need the whole bed of the truck to fit all the bits. I can see it now, 100,000 cars at rush hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away, hahahhaha... a the wave of the future... talking on the cell, sipping your latte`, checking your text msgs, and running the wood gas boiler,, all at the same time getting to work on time... Road Rage anyone??? :))) let's just drill and pump,,, shall we? Vote early,,, vote often... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
True. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the materials used to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye. But not the road tax. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
I suspect that natural gas prices will rise in the future. They won't stay low forever. For the longest time coal was one of the cheapest ways to make power, but with emissions controls costing billions, and cheap natural gas - it can be economical for new plants to use natural gas. And that's just one industry that can adjust to use it and eventually drive the prices up. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, we should be doing this - a surplus of one resource, and a need for another - convert the gas to Diesel. However, the companies that will be doing this (unless the government nationalizes it) will be selling to the highest bidder - likely China, India, Brazel, etc. THERE IS NO US OIL - get over it. It's owned, produced, distributed, and sold by International corporations who have NO national interest. Yep. International market sets the price. Used as CNG we can avoid that, we just need the infrastructure and the cars. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
We should all buy a big suv Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars 2ejuremy
I figure that if you aren't moving out by the time it gets that noticeable you may not make it out no matter what it is that's burning. With all the plastics and other man-made chemicals in todays houses, flashover happens a whole lot quicker then it used to even 40 years ago. Once the flashover happens your chances of getting out are not too good. Quite a rush though if you have the protective gear and breathing apparatus and have a hose right there to get it under control. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:43:39 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Maybe, but is the issue with the foamboard not more of a concern with the gases it gives off when there is a fire? Most plastics are not friendly to the lungs in a fire. Maybe wood smoke is not either, but I think I would rather take my chances with it than the plastic smoke. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
They should make all electric vehicles pay their fuel tax based on the mileage driven. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: We should all buy a big suv Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
When I did my front end rebuild all was well except for the steering slop. I just tighten up the adjustment screw a bit and it eliminated the slop but the steering still doesn't feel quite right. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Ha. That is an excellent point! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a road tax? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
In some places bicycles need to be registered. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a road tax? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Oil prices are not market driven. Oil is not a free market. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, we should be doing this - a surplus of one resource, and a need for another - convert the gas to Diesel. However, the companies that will be doing this (unless the government nationalizes it) will be selling to the highest bidder - likely China, India, Brazel, etc. THERE IS NO US OIL - get over it. It's owned, produced, distributed, and sold by International corporations who have NO national interest. Yep. International market sets the price. Used as CNG we can avoid that, we just need the infrastructure and the cars. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering sloppy coupling
Check the flex coupling, a couple of days ago it came up on the OzBenz forum that one of those had completely disintegrated on a 126. Rusty sells em for a 100 slides www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1987-Mercedes-300sdl-Steeringyearid=1987%40%401987makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES%40%40Xmodelid=6213%3AED|1100%3AMBC|1512%40%40300SDLcatid=241580%40%40Steeringsubcatid=241649@@Steering Couplingmode=PD Hendrik who will be checking the coupling at the next opportunity On 19/04/12 08:27, Rich Thomas wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
True but they don't pay a road tax. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a road tax? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas or bicycle?
...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra. Hendrik who does NOT wear lycra On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian Toscano wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering sloppy coupling
I have some old 35mm slides here in my desk; I should use those next time I place an order with Q. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering sloppy coupling Check the flex coupling, a couple of days ago it came up on the OzBenz forum that one of those had completely disintegrated on a 126. Rusty sells em for a 100 slides www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1987-Mercedes-300sdl-Steeringyearid=1987%40%401987makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES%40%40Xmodelid=6213%3AED|1100%3AMBC|1512%40%40300SDLcatid=241580%40%40Steeringsubcatid=241649@@Steering Couplingmode=PD Hendrik who will be checking the coupling at the next opportunity On 19/04/12 08:27, Rich Thomas wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
There is supposed to be a little bit of play in the steering, over adjusting the steering box may well lead to premature wear and/or locking of the box at full turn. Proper alignment is important, to ensure the car drives straight with a slight movement to the right for you and left for us. Hendrik who doesn't mess with the steering box On 19/04/12 08:57, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: When I did my front end rebuild all was well except for the steering slop. I just tighten up the adjustment screw a bit and it eliminated the slop but the steering still doesn't feel quite right. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas or bicycle?
Yeah but middle aged women might like seeing middle aged men in Lycra:) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: ...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra. Hendrik who does NOT wear lycra On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian Toscano wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Very little play in either of mine (124 and 126); 'trip to Raleigh and back on the 126 today; ever so slight pressure left or right on wheel at cruise puts it right where I want it. 'Feels much like flying. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop There is supposed to be a little bit of play in the steering, over adjusting the steering box may well lead to premature wear and/or locking of the box at full turn. Proper alignment is important, to ensure the car drives straight with a slight movement to the right for you and left for us. Hendrik who doesn't mess with the steering box On 19/04/12 08:57, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: When I did my front end rebuild all was well except for the steering slop. I just tighten up the adjustment screw a bit and it eliminated the slop but the steering still doesn't feel quite right. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Its pretty straight forward to adjust the box... I do it all the time, as recently as last night on a 83 300D. Heres the method in detail: Start with a 19mm socket and a long set of extensions to reach the adjuster nut. Loosen the nut with a breaker bar or ratchet just a bit... maybe 1/4-1/2 turn, just so its loose. Replace the 19mm socket with 6mm hex key and insert it into the adjustment screw. With a 19mm wrench, hold the nut while you back the adjustment screw out. Start with 1/4 or 1/2 turn. Your turning the adjustment out, counter clockwise. Now tighten up the 19mm nut again. Go drive it and see how it feels. You'll probably need to back it out a bit more. If you back it out too much, it'll bind a bit in the middle. This makes it very hard to keep the car tracking straight on a straight road, but you might not notice it much driving around turns, etc. Check it carefully. This is also an excellent time to replace the power steering filter and fluid. I usually just suck whatever I can out of the reservoir, then replace it with new ATF. If its really foul, do this a few times, running the engine to circulate the fluid in between. Good luck, Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel or LNG from Nat Gas?
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2011/2011-02-22-091.html Some buses around here have been running on LNG for a long time now. I guess it all depends on cost, can they buy nat gas, convert it to Diesel and sell it for the same price as dino Diesel? At this stage I would think perhaps not, however with emissions being a big thing, this may change soon enough. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/24/business/energy-environment/24fuel.html http://www.bankspower.com/techarticles/show/19-Synthetic-Diesel-Fuel Hendrik who produces gas On 19/04/12 01:35, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I've been preaching this for years. During WWII the Germans needed a source for diesel and couldn't get oil so they created diesel from natural gas. This was lost after the war and everyone could once again get oil. Then several years ago (6-10) one of the colleges on the Left Coast ran a project to revive this method of creating diesel. From the last I read, they got it down to a 4-step process. If I remember correctly, they envisioned portable conversion plants for remote areas to convert it and then truck to existing distribution lines/pipelines. Their final description was that diesel from natural gas was just as clean as natural gas (0 emissions), provided better power and yielded better mileage than oil based diesel. And that we already have a pipeline distribution system and diesel tanks and pumps at the gas stations, so no need to create a whole new network with the time needed and the additional costs. I think this process would be great for our country and get us off of dependence on foreign oil. Just some additional info to add to the discussion. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
The registration money may be funneled to the DOT. It really all depends on how the state funds its roads, bridges, and overall transportation system. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: True but they don't pay a road tax. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a road tax? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?
Diesels are best for heavy towing and towing at high altitudes and over mountains. Isn't Manitoba mostly flat prairie? How big of a boat will you be taking to the lake? :-) On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: I think I want the Dodge with the Cummins. I know I don't want the Ford. I am not sure about a GM product. GM is an Isuzu. Ford is their own, I think. Cummins is... well, Cummins. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
On a 126 SD, the box is self-adjusting. Are you absolutely sure the flex coupler is solid (ie. you need to check it with resistance, not with the front wheels in the air). Rich Thomas wrote: I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
So when should a steering box be replaced? Is there a time when you just can't adjust out the slop? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Its pretty straight forward to adjust the box... I do it all the time, as recently as last night on a 83 300D. Heres the method in detail: Start with a 19mm socket and a long set of extensions to reach the adjuster nut. Loosen the nut with a breaker bar or ratchet just a bit... maybe 1/4-1/2 turn, just so its loose. Replace the 19mm socket with 6mm hex key and insert it into the adjustment screw. With a 19mm wrench, hold the nut while you back the adjustment screw out. Start with 1/4 or 1/2 turn. Your turning the adjustment out, counter clockwise. Now tighten up the 19mm nut again. Go drive it and see how it feels. You'll probably need to back it out a bit more. If you back it out too much, it'll bind a bit in the middle. This makes it very hard to keep the car tracking straight on a straight road, but you might not notice it much driving around turns, etc. Check it carefully. This is also an excellent time to replace the power steering filter and fluid. I usually just suck whatever I can out of the reservoir, then replace it with new ATF. If its really foul, do this a few times, running the engine to circulate the fluid in between. Good luck, Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Yes, when you reach the point that the adjustment screw won't back out anymore, its time to rebuild/replace the box. I've only experienced this once after owning dozens of these cars. You can usually adjust it to be perfect or at least acceptable. There is a factory procedure for adjusting the box... it involves a torque wrench at the steering wheel and removal of the pitman arm. Its a nice way to do it, if you have the tools and the time. But again, make sure you're changing the fluid frequently. Most cars have never seen a fluid change, which certainly doesn't help the life of the box. I generally suck out what I can and replace it every time I change the oil. I keep a gallon of generic ATF on hand just for this purpose. Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: So when should a steering box be replaced? Is there a time when you just can't adjust out the slop? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Its pretty straight forward to adjust the box... I do it all the time, as recently as last night on a 83 300D. Heres the method in detail: Start with a 19mm socket and a long set of extensions to reach the adjuster nut. Loosen the nut with a breaker bar or ratchet just a bit... maybe 1/4-1/2 turn, just so its loose. Replace the 19mm socket with 6mm hex key and insert it into the adjustment screw. With a 19mm wrench, hold the nut while you back the adjustment screw out. Start with 1/4 or 1/2 turn. Your turning the adjustment out, counter clockwise. Now tighten up the 19mm nut again. Go drive it and see how it feels. You'll probably need to back it out a bit more. If you back it out too much, it'll bind a bit in the middle. This makes it very hard to keep the car tracking straight on a straight road, but you might not notice it much driving around turns, etc. Check it carefully. This is also an excellent time to replace the power steering filter and fluid. I usually just suck whatever I can out of the reservoir, then replace it with new ATF. If its really foul, do this a few times, running the engine to circulate the fluid in between. Good luck, Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Whoa! You replace the PS fluid at every oil change? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, when you reach the point that the adjustment screw won't back out anymore, its time to rebuild/replace the box. I've only experienced this once after owning dozens of these cars. You can usually adjust it to be perfect or at least acceptable. There is a factory procedure for adjusting the box... it involves a torque wrench at the steering wheel and removal of the pitman arm. Its a nice way to do it, if you have the tools and the time. But again, make sure you're changing the fluid frequently. Most cars have never seen a fluid change, which certainly doesn't help the life of the box. I generally suck out what I can and replace it every time I change the oil. I keep a gallon of generic ATF on hand just for this purpose. Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: So when should a steering box be replaced? Is there a time when you just can't adjust out the slop? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Its pretty straight forward to adjust the box... I do it all the time, as recently as last night on a 83 300D. Heres the method in detail: Start with a 19mm socket and a long set of extensions to reach the adjuster nut. Loosen the nut with a breaker bar or ratchet just a bit... maybe 1/4-1/2 turn, just so its loose. Replace the 19mm socket with 6mm hex key and insert it into the adjustment screw. With a 19mm wrench, hold the nut while you back the adjustment screw out. Start with 1/4 or 1/2 turn. Your turning the adjustment out, counter clockwise. Now tighten up the 19mm nut again. Go drive it and see how it feels. You'll probably need to back it out a bit more. If you back it out too much, it'll bind a bit in the middle. This makes it very hard to keep the car tracking straight on a straight road, but you might not notice it much driving around turns, etc. Check it carefully. This is also an excellent time to replace the power steering filter and fluid. I usually just suck whatever I can out of the reservoir, then replace it with new ATF. If its really foul, do this a few times, running the engine to circulate the fluid in between. Good luck, Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com writes: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. This will have to be addressed if/when plug-in electric vehicles begin to register in the total percentage of vehicles on the road. Now and for the foreseeable future there aren't enough of them to matter. If this changes, there will be some kind of mandatory extra electric meter on your charger, or you will be charged a flat extra tax when you register the car, or you will have to pay based on miles driven. Hybrids and traditional but economical cars are an easier challenge, they still use fuel, so as fuel consumption drops they will just raise the tax so they have the same money coming in. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Proper alignment is important, to ensure the car drives straight with a slight movement to the right for you and left for us. Why a slight drift to one side? Don't you want it to track absolutely straight? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: you will have to pay based on miles driven. They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device in our cars to track miles driven. http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/obama-administration-floats-pl.html http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile And you thought Big Brother was already watching... Just wait. It gets worse. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
No! Fischer Tropf was coal to Dissel and gasoline. Crude from coal yields several fractions similar to petro crude. Didn't the Germans do that in WW2? The fuel part I mean, though they probably could have handled CARB as well. --R On 4/18/12 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat gas to get to propane and such. I was reminded that there is apparently some process to turn natural gas into diesel fuel and made me wonder if a diesel resurgence might be on the horizon. Fuel America with fuel from America. Gotta figure out how to get CARB on board... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. IIRC, you are allowed to make up to 400 gallons of alternative fuel without paying road taxes. Kind of like you can brew or distill 200 gallons of your favorite ethanol based beverage for personal consumption without paying taxes on it. Rick Who no longer drinks ethanol based beverages. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Until it looks clean, yes... it takes some time to flush out 30 year old fluid! Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: Whoa! You replace the PS fluid at every oil change? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, when you reach the point that the adjustment screw won't back out anymore, its time to rebuild/replace the box. I've only experienced this once after owning dozens of these cars. You can usually adjust it to be perfect or at least acceptable. There is a factory procedure for adjusting the box... it involves a torque wrench at the steering wheel and removal of the pitman arm. Its a nice way to do it, if you have the tools and the time. But again, make sure you're changing the fluid frequently. Most cars have never seen a fluid change, which certainly doesn't help the life of the box. I generally suck out what I can and replace it every time I change the oil. I keep a gallon of generic ATF on hand just for this purpose. Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: So when should a steering box be replaced? Is there a time when you just can't adjust out the slop? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Its pretty straight forward to adjust the box... I do it all the time, as recently as last night on a 83 300D. Heres the method in detail: Start with a 19mm socket and a long set of extensions to reach the adjuster nut. Loosen the nut with a breaker bar or ratchet just a bit... maybe 1/4-1/2 turn, just so its loose. Replace the 19mm socket with 6mm hex key and insert it into the adjustment screw. With a 19mm wrench, hold the nut while you back the adjustment screw out. Start with 1/4 or 1/2 turn. Your turning the adjustment out, counter clockwise. Now tighten up the 19mm nut again. Go drive it and see how it feels. You'll probably need to back it out a bit more. If you back it out too much, it'll bind a bit in the middle. This makes it very hard to keep the car tracking straight on a straight road, but you might not notice it much driving around turns, etc. Check it carefully. This is also an excellent time to replace the power steering filter and fluid. I usually just suck whatever I can out of the reservoir, then replace it with new ATF. If its really foul, do this a few times, running the engine to circulate the fluid in between. Good luck, Jaime On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK the SD is all finished, I had to replace LF brake caliper as one piston was pretty much frozen. All new suspension and steering bits, an alignment done. Car drives well except there is still a fair amount of slop in the steering. The u-joint on the shaft just ahead of the box is fine, I can rotate the steering shaft right at the box and no response from the box. It is not a lot, but maybe 2in at the top of the steering wheel, and it is really dead. I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted, but with all the scary stories about buggering the box I am reluctant to do that. But with all the work, and it still feeling a little sloppy, well, I would like to get rid of that slop. If the box is already shot, then adjusting it would not do much to make it worse I figure, unless the way it is is sorta the way it should be (I think not). On another subject, I put in (another) air cleaner mount, but the air cleaner is shaking quite a bit at idle, which I figure will break this one at some point. I have no idea if the engine damper is working correctly or not, should I just get a new one and replace it? --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Versus the W123 (and prior) is NOT self-adjusting, hence the need to do so occasionally. I'd be careful with a 126. If it is loose, it is probably the coupler, or the box is shot. D. At 5:12 PM -0700 4/18/12, David Bruckmann wrote: On a 126 SD, the box is self-adjusting. Are you absolutely sure the flex coupler is solid (ie. you need to check it with resistance, not with the front wheels in the air). Rich Thomas wrote: I am thinking the steering box needs to be adjusted ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD steering slop
Roads are crowned so water runs off. So your car will drift right in USA or left in OZ. Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Why a slight drift to one side? Don't you want it to track absolutely straight? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Big story on NPR yesterday about the sinking price of natural gas due to ease of extraction what with fracking and how they'll extract nat gas to get to propane and such. Max wrote: Better plan would be convert our gas cars to run on CNG. You convert yours to run on CNG - I'll keep mine running on diesel, thanks. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Yikees. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: you will have to pay based on miles driven. They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device in our cars to track miles driven. http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/obama-administration-floats-pl.html http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile And you thought Big Brother was already watching... Just wait. It gets worse. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install
It's easy to install the manifold and turbo onto the head with the head hanging on the lift. I had to do this when I replaced the head gasket on the old 300D as we found a broken manifold stud when we had the head off. Be VERY careful not to bend up the oil feed line when removing the head -- make sure it's out of the block before lifting the head. Tighten the manifold nuts to the torque spec, do NOT over tighten. The gasket is a metal spring gasket, and if you mash it flat rather than pre-loading it, not only will the studs break off in use, it will also leak after a couple temp cycles, leading to excess black smudge in the passenger compartment, noise, and soot all over the right side of the engine. Peter On Apr 18, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, any special tricks or tips to getting the head/manifold to mate with the turbo/block? I do have a nice lift. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, April 17, 2012 10:28:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install That's how I did it also -- On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: That's how I do it Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Dieselvolk, I'm working on installing the new head on my '87 wagon. Has anyone ever installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place? The angle of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is working against me, but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to overcome that. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
