If we are lucky, we can fix it at the ballot box. If we are not lucky,
it
will come to the fox hole.
Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box. Isn't that the usual
progression?
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Fly on Boeing aircraft. At least they allow the pilot to override
the computer
I'd rather have a skilled human in change, rather than HAL.
(The usual disclaimers I don't work for Boeing, as far as I know, I
don't own any stock in either company.)
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As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a
rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft.
The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted
by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive
control of the airframe.
As a pilot,
it was the HAL9000 acting up again.
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Fluging along at cruise, starts a steep descent and bores
If the ship of state were an airliner, it would be off course and
entering
an uncontrolled decent.
If only our SoS _was_ uncontrolledly decent! :-)
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I have never piloted a plane and am really ignorant about aviation, but
here goes anyway:
What puzzles me is that this all transpired just as they reached cruising
altitude. Coincidence??
I'd like to know what, if anything, do the pilots would do (manually) when
they reach cruising altidue. If
Dan who likes the term auger in best
I like it too, but I think it wouldn't apply here,
since the plane wasn't spiraling.
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It applies to prop driven planes, especially single engine ones that
hit nose first.
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Dan who likes the term auger in best
I like it too, but I think it wouldn't apply here,
since the plane wasn't spiraling.
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Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the
aircraft they fly.
Dan who likes the term auger in best
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As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I
The whole flight profile is likely programmed into the autopilot and
engaged at some point after takeoff (though I think these planes can
take off and land themselves once told to do so by the pilots), so
when it reaches cruise altitude it then levels out, engines are trimmed,
whatever to
Report speculates windshield cracked, which would tend to ruin one's day
at 30k ft and 400some kts.
--R
On 3/25/15 10:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the
aircraft they fly.
Dan who likes the term auger in best
Dude I already said hal9000. They were trying to open the pod bay doors.
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On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
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Dan wrote:
Dan who likes the term auger in best
The line I heard today indicated that auger in might be a
Kaleb wrote:
Dude I already said hal9000. They were trying to open the pod bay doors.
Yes, I failed to give proper reference to Kaleb - sorry.
mao
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So the work on the front landing gear pod bay door was faulty, HAL9000
thought the door was opening at altitude, took evasive action to repel
boarders and flew into the mountain? Or maybe HAL9000 thought the opening
of the pod bay door was for a landing, and so went into landing mode?
At altitudes over 10,000 feet, the air pressure is too low for your lungs
to absorb the oxygen out of it, so you can suffocate (three minutes or
less). If you have the presence of mind, you can grunt breath, which is
too use your diaphragm to try to force the air out of your lungs but hold
your
You can survive quite well over 10k ft, 20k is pushing it though some
have conquered Everest 28k ft with no supplemental oxygen. I have
trekked at 14k+ ft and spent a couple days at 12k+, it is a challenge
but if you are fairly fit you can do it OK, some better than others (the
Quechua
Andrew wrote:
I have never piloted a plane and am really ignorant about aviation, but
here goes anyway:
Another observation I found interesting in yesterday's early reports
is that the airplane had just finished its inspection the day prior.
Perhaps a screw was left without proper torque wrench
When looking at flights online to book it tells you what aircraft it is
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As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a
rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft.
Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson's contract will not be renewed, the BBC
said after an internal investigation into what it earlier called a fracas
with a producer.
Top Gear was named as the world's most widely watched factual program in
the Guinness World Records 2013 Edition book, with an estimated
Dan wrote:
Dan who likes the term auger in best
The line I heard today indicated that auger in might be a wrong term.
Use another word indicating shatter. The investigators are taking
3'X3' squares to recover pieces? Plastic jets - just wonderful, eh?
Controlled by HAL9000.
mao
i seem to be back on the list
thanks
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I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been living in a fantasy world. WTF!?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
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WHAT? No cat poop jam?
So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free
pass on your airline? In
And for the record Ludwig is not part of my name...
-Curt
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From personal experience, I have NEVER flown on ANY Airbus that EVER
crashed while I was aboard. They are totally safe in my book.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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The first link says there are 800 737s made since 1967 and then says there
Well, that only reinforces my point.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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I also have never been in a crashed Airbus plane although I'll admit I've
only been in A319s and A320s.
-Curt
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Thanks for posting that list. I had not looked at that reporting for quite
some time.
Worthy of notice is the column which reports number of flight hrs for the
particular models vs the number of incidents...
Airbus takes top billing in each instance... Boeing has millions of flight
hrs vs
Grant
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I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been
I also have never been in a crashed Airbus plane although I'll admit I've only
been in A319s and A320s.
-Curt
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WHAT? No cat poop jam?
So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free
pass on your airline? In return, I will barter for some of my CHOICE and
AWESOME used Mercedes 123 and 111 parts. Win-win!
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I called in a favor. Don't mention it.
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i seem to be back on the list
thanks
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Hahahaha.. at last.. we agree on something !
Just to clear the air [so to speak] I've been a pilot for 55 yrs, or 20,075
days, and I've averaged one flight hr. per day for that period, [cumulative
hrs flown divided by days as a rated pilot] which accounts for quite a bit
of time without having my
http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_reports.htm
http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm
I still like the Boeing stats after looking at this.
Also happy that I don't fly to or around 3rd world places.
RB
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The first link says there are 800 737s made since 1967 and then says there were
thousands made...
The second link says the failure rate of the A320/319 is .10 while the rate of
737 (all models) is .15 or 50% worse...
I've flown in a lot of both and I generally consider the A320 to have a
Re 757
A friend of mine was on the 757 design team. His job was weight
reduction in the tail section. He bought a house in mulkilteo to be
near the plant. After that, they sent him downtown to work in the
black hole with top secret military stuff. Figgers... He put a lot
of miles on
Technically, being retired, I have my feet up, relaxing.. so I still don't
have feet on ground ;))
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Impressive. You now have your feet on the ground?
--R
On 3/25/15 2:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Now it appears one pilot was locked out of the flight deck. Sounds suspicious
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Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian.
His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates of
the Caribbean.
On Mar 24, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
provide the Native American (pre-European Invader Indigenous Person) content.
Only native Americans are
ISIS
No other good explanation.
clay
On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a
rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft.
The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted
by
Max Dillon wrote:
Open the cockpit door Hal!
Maybe the pilot inside had a stroke, heart attack, black out from undiagnosed
diabetic condition, poisoned by the pilot who left in order to draw suspicion
away...
There were 2 Iranians, 1 Moroccan, and several Turks in board, so Islam was
well
My first flight ever was on a Boeing 720. Supposedly.
Charter flight direct from Spokane to San Diego.
All-expenses-paid trip to the Holiday Bowl!
-- Jim
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On the 747, you forgot the Pan Am flight the libyans blew up over scotland.
That one killed Pan Am
clay
On Mar 25, 2015, at 2:01 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
Safest airliners:
1. Airbus 340
The A340 has approximately the same number of flying hours as the 777 and
remains
They had to pull the boys out of the black hole because the firm was not
allowed to use the tech from there on the 777 (same sort of composites theory
in 757). The boys were no longer doing skunk works, so what they knew could
be applied to civilian aviation instead of getting to adapt DOD
ISIS No other good explanation.
The raghead terrorists? Or do you posit Archer Co.
were in charge of security? Either could do it! :-)
-- Jim
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It was used to kill a dame who did abortions. They should have used it for
something a bit more interesting
clay
On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Funny you should mention that.
Some years ago, I built a full size working Guillotine. Lately, I've been
ask if I could
Open the cockpit door Hal!
Maybe the pilot inside had a stroke, heart attack, black out from undiagnosed
diabetic condition, poisoned by the pilot who left in order to draw suspicion
away...
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He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back.
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On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian.
His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates
of the Caribbean.
The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the
office of President are unique to that office.
It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique
requirements.
But, in the words of another possible candidate, What difference does it
make.
On Wed,
No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
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Be very afraid.
(Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in
the French Alps, killing
You have the BEST sense of humor. ROFLMAO!
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When did anyone in con gress ever read the constitution, with the possible
exceptions of Cruz, S King and Ernst?
The Citizenship requirements set forth in
I'm sure if there were islamics on board, they were all on their way to a
Boy Scout knot tying contest for qualification of their Eagle Scout badge.
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No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
Doesn't the door lock automatically?
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No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
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Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense that
they would.
Dan
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For security reasons maybe they don't!
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Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense
that they would.
Dan
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On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:03 PM, G Mann via
Be very afraid.
(Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in
the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable
to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on
Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder.
“The
The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the
office of President are unique to that office.
_Running_ for the office. I think a non-naive-American could end
up _holding_ the office, if he came to it by succession. Same way
Bill Clinton could end up holding the office
When did anyone in con gress ever read the constitution, with the
possible exceptions of Cruz, S King and Ernst?
The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the
office of President are unique to that office.
It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet
At 4:50 PM -0500 3/24/15, Curly McLain wrote:
I useta tell people who asked I was as old as Jack BennyUntil it
got to where every time I had to explain who jack benny was and how
he was always 39.
Same here. Dang kids.
-MMM-
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Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make
sense that they would.
Dan
I vote that pilots should be able to carry a 1911. The other guy
could have opened the door with a 1911 crowbar
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Fly on Boeing aircraft. At least they allow the pilot to override the
computer
I strongly agree with this sentiment but reconstruction of the 2009 Air
France Airbus crash does not inspire great confidence in the basic
airmanship of the pilots. Maybe when aircraft are designed to minimize
the
Here is a Germanwings website about pilot qualifications, hiring, etc.
One thing I noticed was that a non-German could get a pilot job with the
airline if he had an unlimited work permit.
Someone on another list wondered if Germanwings had hired a number of
middle-eastern pilots as first
Which way do the doors open to the cockpit? If towards the cabin, and
pressure was lost in the cockpit, but not in the cabin, it would be next to
impossible to open that door
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“You can hear he is
It depends on the level of the repair, but a test flight after maintenance
work is most always a good idea. I do them . . .
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Would any pilot on this list refuse to fly for that reason?
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