Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel

[Dave M.]

Nope... only Casey has an intercooled 603 on this list, AFAIK. I'm
experimenting with increasing power without an intercooler for now
(watching intake air and exhaust gast temp gauges closely). Soon's I
find me an AMG front bumper to hide a Casey-style intercooler, though,
look out!

:-)

-dm

> --
> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:30:48 -0600
> From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel
>
> Don't you have an intercooler in it?
>
> On 3/19/06, Dave M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You think a 2.5 is fast? You should try my 87 300D... with the
> > full-load screw turned up a half turn, it now outruns my stock 1986
> > 300E at the dragstrip. Not by much, but it's got a better ET. The 300E
> > will slowly pull away over 90mph, though. Another half-turn should
> > cure that, heh-heh.
> >
> > Oh yeah - and that's despite the diesel's 2.65 axle, while the 300E
> > enjoys the advantage of a 3.07!
> >
> > :)
> >
> > -dm

Re: [MBZ] epc?

[Dave M.]

Sunil,

That first number appears to be an accessory part number, which
normally start with 'B' and have 8 digits following. Haven't seen one
with a BQ and 7 digits, but that number does show up on the price list
as sheepskin seat covers (unknown fitment), list price of $259 as of
last May.

The other number is not an MB number. Most accessory numbers are not
searchable in the EPC and most are not in the EPC at all. The EPC is
intended for replacement parts, not accessories.

:)

-Dave M.

> --
> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:58:40 -0500
> From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] epc?
>
>
> how do i get the epc?  also, let's say I'm staring at a Mercedes parts box.
> Where is the part number for the contents on the label?
>
> Might it be "BQ 6 91 0212" or "83637690-560"?
>
> Anyone with the EPC, could you run those and tell me what comes up?
>
> --
> Sunil Hari
> 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.

Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel

[Zeitgeist]

No s'uh!   I'm still the exclusive master of that domain...at least on
this list.

On 3/19/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't you have an intercooler in it?

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (212k)
'84 300D (211k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)

Re: [MBZ] Complaining when I shouldn't be --

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep, I know what you mean.  First weekend I have had off in months, and 
last one I will have for a month, and its raining.  I did get the shocks 
replaced on the back of my 420 though.


OK Don wrote:


What happens when I'm finally trying to insert the re-built engine
(working in the driveway) in the SLC?

The first significant rain since I don't know when  -- we're up to a
whopping 0.6 inches over the last 28 hours! That doubled the rainfall
so far this year, which brings us to 20% of the normal. So we really
need this rain 

But I REALLY want to get that car running!!!
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/danorris/450slc.htm

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'90 300D 243K, "Rattled"
'87 300SDL 290K, "Limo Lite", or blue car
'81 240D 173K, "Gramps", or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K "Van Go"

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Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel

[OK Don]

Don't you have an intercooler in it?

On 3/19/06, Dave M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You think a 2.5 is fast? You should try my 87 300D... with the
> full-load screw turned up a half turn, it now outruns my stock 1986
> 300E at the dragstrip. Not by much, but it's got a better ET. The 300E
> will slowly pull away over 90mph, though. Another half-turn should
> cure that, heh-heh.
>
> Oh yeah - and that's despite the diesel's 2.65 axle, while the 300E
> enjoys the advantage of a 3.07!
>
> :)
>
> -dm
>

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'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] SLC engine rebuild project update

[Richard Smith]

Hell if I had known the drought would end when you started to put the engine
back in I would have come over and helped you get it finished so we could
get some rain!!! LOL  (c:

And what does rain have to do with not putting an engine back in a car. I
have put VW engines in with it raining, snowing. I remember one time I laid
in an inch and a half of water while we put the engine back in a VW bus. The
other guy thought I had the bad end of the job, but I was out of the rain
under the bus! He just did not know what a sweet deal I had. Of course I was
in my 20's, poor, no garage, and had to have the bus to get to work the next
day.

Who says the good old days aren't good!!!




On 3/19/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A few more pictures of the project -
>
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/danorris/450slc.htm
>
> The engine is partially in - still supported by the hoist - waiting
> alignment with the mounts due to rain. What happened to our drought?
>
> --
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> Norman, OK
> '90 300D 243K, Rattled
> '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
> '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
> '78 450SLC 67K, brown car
> '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel

[Dave M.]

You think a 2.5 is fast? You should try my 87 300D... with the
full-load screw turned up a half turn, it now outruns my stock 1986
300E at the dragstrip. Not by much, but it's got a better ET. The 300E
will slowly pull away over 90mph, though. Another half-turn should
cure that, heh-heh.

Oh yeah - and that's despite the diesel's 2.65 axle, while the 300E
enjoys the advantage of a 3.07!

:)

-dm

> --
> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:06:54 -0500
> From: "John Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel
>
>
> I am really wanting to drive the 87 TD.  I haven't found anyone with one
> around here yet.  I think the 2.5 is fast.  Anyone have one in RI or MA?
> I'd like to see one.

[MBZ] SLC engine rebuild project update

[OK Don]

A few more pictures of the project -

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/danorris/450slc.htm

The engine is partially in - still supported by the hoist - waiting
alignment with the mounts due to rain. What happened to our drought?

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Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

[MBZ] Today's mission

[Curt Raymond]

Just replaced the driver's door check strap on the 190D. Relatively easy job 
although theres not a whole lot of space inside the door to manuver.
  Question: Was I supposed to leave the plastic sleeve on it or is that just 
for shipping? I left it on though the one I pulled out didn't have one. Nice to 
have some resistance when I open the door, the old one was totally shot.
  Right now I'm reglueing (again) the door skin. 2 of the hooks I'd glued back 
to the pressboard had come loose. It appears that shoe goo doesn't penetrate 
the pressboard at all. I used "Dr. Bond" a superglue like substance and good 
old carpenter's glue this time. I also made a replacement for one of the hooks 
I'd broken off. Bent a pop rivet around into approximately the right shape and 
shoe gooed it into place. Its ugly but if it works a little I'll consider it a 
success.
   
  Took the 190D down to the diner for breakfast this morning, I'm calling the 
seat a success, its very comfy now. Fueled up and got a carwash. The carwash 
seems to have washed off some paint and bent the antenna... I can't yet tell if 
the carwash was over aggressive or if the paint on the car is weak, a bit of 
both I'd guess. The car does need a little bodywork, the jackpoints have rusted 
and were painted so it was hard to tell... Normally I'd fiberglass and call it 
good enough but I may need those jackpoints someday.
   
  -Curt
   
  '85 190D "Dory" 235kmi


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> I am seeing this "never admit guilt" in more and more businesses.  My 
> question is, how do people and businesses learn to do better if they are 
> never wrong?

The issue isn't that they can't make internal changes to prevent
problems.  The issue is any apology or admission of guilt opens them up
to a damage award later, since a lawsuit no longer has to prove they did
something wrong -- they already admitted it.  My auto insurance company
also cautions that you should never apologize or admit guilt after an
accident.

One of the more interesting parts of the medical malpractice reform law
that recently passed here in Washington is a clause that allows doctors
to apologize for mistakes without taking on liability.

Re: [MBZ] Bird in Star

[David Brodbeck]

OK Don wrote:
> It had to happen sometime ---
> 
> Source:
> http://www.ezprezzo.com/crazypics/bummers.html

It was kind fo fun to look at that site and try to pick out which
pictures are real, and which are Photoshop.

Re: [MBZ] save yourself a ticket tip of the day

[Zeitgeist]

Hey, what's the poop on your "new-ish" Quantum, anyway LT?  Haven't
read anything since you first acquired the little gem.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (212k)
'84 300D (211k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)

Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[Zeitgeist]

A'yup!  I still occasionally get folks stopping by out 'o' the blue to
ask if my cars are for sale, or if I know where to find others. 
Craig's List apparently has turned into a gold mine for some
high-power diesel sellers.  I'd certainly sell yer rig over on this
side of the divide, if'n you want top dollah and a quick movah.

On 3/17/06, Woodlandtaylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Put a for sale sign in the back window, my daughter said the late 70's and
> 80's MB diesels are fetching big bucks around Seattle - any comment Casey.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (212k)
'84 300D (211k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)

Re: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph

[David Brodbeck]

I very nearly had that happen when I bought my VW Cabriolet.  After
driving it around a little I started to notice a clunking noise from the
front.  I was having new engine mounts put in anyway, so I asked the
mechanic to check it out, thinking a CV might be going bad.  It turned
out all the left front lug nuts were loose!  VW wheels are hub-centric
so you don't get much warning until the thing is just about ready to
fall off.  He also found the starter bolts were all loose.  Makes me
wonder who the PO had working on that car.

Re: [MBZ] seat repair

[David Brodbeck]

Rory wrote:
> I too, enjoy the smell of the horsehair seat pads.  It is a smell that
> evokes many memories, dad's Jags, Mom's Saab ('65 Model 96) and of course
> the 5 Benz's I've owned.  It's the smell of Quality!

It seems to be an essential part of the "old VW" smell, too.


David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[David Brodbeck]

Craig McCluskey wrote:
> I use a piece of piano wire with a hook bent at the end.

Coincidentally, I have one of those too.  It's a "special tool" I made
for removing Honda window cranks.


David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] late moose day

[Curt Raymond]

Holy Smokes. Leominster two towns east of here!
   
  -Curt
   
  Its pronounced lem in ster in case you're wondering.
   
  Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:26:18 -0500
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I think this is not too far from where Curt Raymond lives-(better
protect that new driver's seat.)

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI



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My 240D has a bulb monitoring system-if engine power picks up,that means
something is not drawing on the alternator.

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI


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I am my own bulb monitoring system

Bob Rentfro


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> That's what the bulb monitoring system is for on a "more advanced"
> Benz ---
>
> On 3/19/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> When is the last time you checked the bulbs on your license plate 
>> light?
>>
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> '90 300D 243K, Rattled
> '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
> '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
> '78 450SLC 67K, brown car
> '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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[MBZ] Complaining when I shouldn't be --

[OK Don]

What happens when I'm finally trying to insert the re-built engine
(working in the driveway) in the SLC?

The first significant rain since I don't know when  -- we're up to a
whopping 0.6 inches over the last 28 hours! That doubled the rainfall
so far this year, which brings us to 20% of the normal. So we really
need this rain 

But I REALLY want to get that car running!!!
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/danorris/450slc.htm

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'90 300D 243K, "Rattled"
'87 300SDL 290K, "Limo Lite", or blue car
'81 240D 173K, "Gramps", or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K "Van Go"

Re: [MBZ] Tire repair supplies

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:51:00 -0600 Robert & Tara Ludwick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you mean tire mushroom plug, I havn't seen one of those things in 
> years. Just the rope type plugs ( which do work very nicely, although 
> they are supposed to be temporrary until you can get a patch on, I've 
> never had one fail.
> 
> -Robert

I've never had one fail, either. I have had them leak, however, and will
not use them again.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] save yourself a ticket tip of the day

[Bob Rentfro]

I am my own bulb monitoring system

Bob Rentfro


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That's what the bulb monitoring system is for on a "more advanced" 
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On 3/19/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

When is the last time you checked the bulbs on your license plate light?



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'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
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Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.

[Bob Rentfro]

I hope it goes like the Shockers!

Woo Hoo...Go MVC!

Bob Rentfro 
'77 300D 150K

Litchfield Park, AZ


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1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 

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Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel

[Curt Raymond]

S'matter of fact I know where there is one. I don't know if its in any kind of 
shape or actually for sale but its on a lot and has no plates. At least it was 
there a month ago...
  I can go check on it next weekend if you like.
   
  For what its worth my '81 300TD was an outstanding driving car excepting that 
it was a basket case. I'd love to have one that wasn't entirely beat to snot. I 
know a guy thats got an older pre-turbo one with a 4spd. I need to get a chance 
to get behind the wheel of it.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:06:54 -0500
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I am really wanting to drive the 87 TD.  I haven't found anyone with 
one 
around here yet.  I think the 2.5 is fast.  Anyone have one in RI or 
MA? 
I'd like to see one.



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So I did finally get finished, just no chance to post an update.
  Getting the seat back in was a BEAR. The nuts are those clip on things and 
they kept sliding out of the way. Finally had to go out and get a 1/4" ujoint 
socket as there was no way to get the rear bolts in without it. With the ujoint 
it was no big deal. Seat is now very comfortable. I spend at least 8 hours a 
week in that seat so this will be very nice.
  While I was at it I filled a hole in the upholstry with Shoe Goo and covered 
some thinning MBTex in the back rest with some too. Hopefully that'll keep it 
from erodeing. I'd have changed it if I'd noticed before I got started... I'd 
hate to do that job again so I'm hoping for the best.
   
  The keys I found weren't even Mercedes keys, 2 housekeys and 2 GM car keys. 
Into the trash with them...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:32:51 -0500
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Curt-way to go. Fixing the seat in my 240D was the best investment I
ever made. I spend about 6-12 hours a week in that seat and wish I had
fixed it when I got the car t instead of doing the spring padding, etc.
Were any of those keys steel keys? Can't wait to see it at the 
ChowdahQ.

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI



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Re: [MBZ] save yourself a ticket tip of the day

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Good reminder-the one on my Forester has been out for months.
Thanks.

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI


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When is the last time you checked the bulbs on your license plate light?

That is a "reason" the cops here use to pull cars over.

Bulbs on the VW were both bad (fixed that today for eighty-three cents).
Benz and Sunbird are fine, one of two bulbs out on the Buick.

And no, I didn't get pulled over. It was just something I noticed and
fixed before I did.

--
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-- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_

1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] save yourself a ticket tip of the day

[OK Don]

That's what the bulb monitoring system is for on a "more advanced" Benz ---

On 3/19/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When is the last time you checked the bulbs on your license plate light?
>

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[MBZ] save yourself a ticket tip of the day

[LT Don]

When is the last time you checked the bulbs on your license plate light?

That is a "reason" the cops here use to pull cars over.

Bulbs on the VW were both bad (fixed that today for eighty-three cents).
Benz and Sunbird are fine, one of two bulbs out on the Buick.

And no, I didn't get pulled over. It was just something I noticed and fixed
before I did.

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-- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_

1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] epc?

[OK Don]

I dont' find anything - get "invalid KB code" when I try those. You
are supposed to be in the appropriate catalog (engine or chassis,
etc.) when you search by p/n - so a general idea might help, but those
don't lok like typical MB p/ns.

On 3/19/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> how do i get the epc?  also, let's say I'm staring at a Mercedes parts box.
> Where is the part number for the contents on the label?
>
> Might it be "BQ 6 91 0212" or "83637690-560"?
>
> Anyone with the EPC, could you run those and tell me what comes up?
>
> --
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> 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 513-205-7474


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'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] Steel ball of main oil gallery

[Marshall Booth]

ned kleinhenz wrote:

Just a point of curiousity --
While cruising through the PDFs in the 124 Shop Manual on CD,
I came across a procedure for "Knocking out and reinstalling steel ball of
main oil gallery"

What does the steel ball do in the main oil gallery?
Why would you want to knock it out?

I don't expect to deal with that steel ball while cleaning up after my
disintegrated vacuum pump.
But I am curious what that part of the engine is all about..


Routinely done when the engine is rebuilt.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Tire repair supplies

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

If you mean tire mushroom plug, I havn't seen one of those things in 
years. Just the rope type plugs ( which do work very nicely, although 
they are supposed to be temporrary until you can get a patch on, I've 
never had one fail.


-Robert

Harry Watkins wrote:

I cannot find a source for the so called mushroom tire patch.  I have over 
Googled and getting dizzy.

 Anyone ?

TIA

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans


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Re: [MBZ] Today's bizzare eBay ad, all the way from Taiwan

[Jeff Zedic]

That's $12,336 USu...no, not in that color!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

[MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.

[Donald Snook]

http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html

 


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Re: [MBZ] Steel ball of main oil gallery

[Harry Watkins]

I believe it provides a means to rod out and  clean oil passages.  I don't
think its done unless the block is out of the car.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

- Original Message - 
From: "ned kleinhenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Just a point of curiousity --
> While cruising through the PDFs in the 124 Shop Manual on CD,
> I came across a procedure for "Knocking out and reinstalling steel ball of
> main oil gallery"
>
> What does the steel ball do in the main oil gallery?
> Why would you want to knock it out?
>
> I don't expect to deal with that steel ball while cleaning up after my
> disintegrated vacuum pump.
> But I am curious what that part of the engine is all about..
>
> Ned Kleinhenz

[MBZ] Tire repair supplies

[Harry Watkins]

I cannot find a source for the so called mushroom tire patch.  I have over 
Googled and getting dizzy.

 Anyone ?

TIA

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

[MBZ] epc?

[Sunil Hari]

how do i get the epc?  also, let's say I'm staring at a Mercedes parts box.
Where is the part number for the contents on the label?

Might it be "BQ 6 91 0212" or "83637690-560"?

Anyone with the EPC, could you run those and tell me what comes up?

--
Sunil Hari
1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
513-205-7474

[MBZ] Steel ball of main oil gallery

[ned kleinhenz]

Just a point of curiousity --
While cruising through the PDFs in the 124 Shop Manual on CD,
I came across a procedure for "Knocking out and reinstalling steel ball of
main oil gallery"

What does the steel ball do in the main oil gallery?
Why would you want to knock it out?

I don't expect to deal with that steel ball while cleaning up after my
disintegrated vacuum pump.
But I am curious what that part of the engine is all about..

Ned Kleinhenz

[MBZ] Today's bizzare eBay ad, all the way from Taiwan

[tom savage]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Benz-123-TOPCAR_W0QQitemZ4605521505

And it seems that buying a used car in Mauritania is not much different 
than in the US:

http://www.onverrabien.com/benzbenz.html
"Trust no one, not even me."

Tom

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

[Zeitgeist]

Well, I'll be...it appears as if the OM606 engines did away with the
oil sump wing-extension.  I suppose alternatively, you could go in
through the oil level sending unit with a flexible extension handle
magnet to grab the detritus.  In addition, you could glue a few of
those powerful rare earth magnets to the side and bottom of the pan,
in hopes keeping any remaining marbles in place.

On 3/18/06, ned kleinhenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Casey:
> "I'd drain the oil, then pull the small removable side panel off the oil pan
> "
>
> Really? That would be like discovering the Northwest Passage.  Where is the
> small removalble panel?  I don't rememeber noticing one while under there.
> I don't see one pictured anywhere in the shop manual.
> And accoring to the shop manual, removing the entire oil pan is not trivial
> on this model
> Are there some short-cuts I should find out about?

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (212k)
'84 300D (211k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)

Re: [MBZ] Rough Idle

[Marshall Booth]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:

Replacing the original silver rack damper screw with a revised gold one
(with a stronger spring) can be done without removing the pump. It's
tight, but it's done all the time.


Was Peter suggesting that the real fix was to also replace the
"spring at the other end of the fuel rack"? That would be an
internal operation. 


I'd appreciate ANY Mercedes or Bosch reference to replacing the "spring 
at the other end of the fuel rack."


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] New Diesel car

[Bob Rentfro]

Woo Hoo...it's a two-seater.
I can keep the carpool going!

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 150K
Litchfield Park, AZ 

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: [MBZ] New Diesel car



http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108992

Might be ready by 2008, and will go 330mpg at 65mph
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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage

[John Berryman]

On Mar 18, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:

I'll check valves and oil leak next weekend.  What about checking  
the rear

side of the turbo for oil?  How hard is that?


	Undo the 3 nuts attaching the front exhaust pipe to the turbo, you  
may have to drop the bracket by the bell housing, then look inside. A  
mirror may come in handy.



What's the proceedure for
the baffle epoxy?


	Pull the valve cover off, clean it real good to remove any oily  
residue, you will see the baffle plate. There may already be some  
type of sealer there. If so remove it, clean with solvent again and  
seal it to the valve cover. There will be an obvious gap. This serves  
to better keep oil flying off the cam from being able to get to the  
breather.
	I recommend JB-Weld as it is impervious to most fuels, lubricants  
and solvents when it cures. Recheck the valve lash, then re-do your  
compression test, if you can, keep a charger hooked up as you will  
need to sufficiently crank the engine for each cylinder. This can be  
done with the valve cover off if you so desire.




Rear bumper is free of oil.

Luther



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] late moose day

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

I think this is not too far from where Curt Raymond lives-(better
protect that new driver's seat.)

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI


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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:42 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] late moose day


http://cbs13.com/topstories/local_story_077001519.html

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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] New Diesel car

[Mitch Haley]

redghost wrote:
> 
> http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108992
> 
> Might be ready by 2008, and will go 330mpg at 65mph

Well, it's claimed to be faster than the VW equivalent. 
I think the VW One Liter Car is rated at 8hp, is not
a hybrid, and tops out around 70-80mph on the flat with
rapid loss of speed on hills.

Re: [MBZ] Rough Idle

[Mitch Haley]

Marshall Booth wrote:
> Replacing the original silver rack damper screw with a revised gold one
> (with a stronger spring) can be done without removing the pump. It's
> tight, but it's done all the time.

Was Peter suggesting that the real fix was to also replace the
"spring at the other end of the fuel rack"? That would be an
internal operation. 

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Rules Sebring!

[RELNGSON]

<>

Yes. Too bad the engine and the fuel it ran on are worlds away from present 
available technology.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] 1994 S Class Diesels, Bad Heads?

[redghost]

The heads should be just fine.  It is the rods that end up ovaling the  
engine


On Saturday, March 18, 2006, at 06:32 PM, John Peterson wrote:

Did Mercedes fix the bad head issues with the S's by the 1994 year?  I  
was looking at the biggie  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-350-DIESEL- 
S350-94-MERCEDES-RARE- 
IMMACULATE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6336QQitemZ4622935201QQrdZ1


It is sad that such a comfortable body had such a vulnerable motor.

John Peterson
1991 300D 2.5 78k
Kingston RI
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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD continued

[redghost]

I would love to have the SDL.  The amount of leg space out back is 
significant, even though I think it is only 2" more than the SD.  Ended 
up with the POS SDL for the legroom.


On Saturday, March 18, 2006, at 06:04 PM, kevin kraly wrote:


I decided to hold out for the SDL.  I wanted a 'boat'.

How much longer is the 300SDL than the SD?  I've heard that there's a 
bunch
more leg room in the SDL's rear seat area.  However, the 603 aluminum 
heads

scare me!

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D


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The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Bird in Star

[redghost]

Think that is the same pic that a list member posted as having happened  
to him last winter


On Saturday, March 18, 2006, at 02:34 PM, OK Don wrote:


It had to happen sometime ---

Source:
http://www.ezprezzo.com/crazypics/bummers.html

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Re: [MBZ] Rough Idle

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Frederick wrote:
> This is a known problem with the IP.  The dampner is inadequate, and the =
spring on the other end of
> the fuel rack gets weak with age, allowing the rack to vibrate fore and a=
ft in sympathy with the
> longitudial vibration of the engine (only affects the 5 cylinder, by the =
way).  I believe the internal
> design of the non-turbo IP is a bit different, so the effect is much less.
> =

> The cure is to adjust the dampner screw in slightly to reduce or eliminat=
e the vibration, but you
> cannot overadjust, else it won't start cold!  Also, eventually the vibrat=
ion will get so bad it cannot
> be adjusted out.  The real fix, an upgraged spring, requires complete dis=
assembly of the IP to replace
> it, so I'd wait until something else needs fixed, too expensive.

Replacing the original silver rack damper screw with a revised gold one =

(with a stronger spring) can be done without removing the pump. It's =

tight, but it's done all the time.

Picture of old silver (bottom) with weak spring and revised gold (top) =

rack damper screw with stronger spring attached.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Pointy

[redghost]

Sounds like one of the boys who are clients of Mistress Jill.  Would 
have to pay $300- $500 for him to get to play with her afterward



On Saturday, March 18, 2006, at 04:34 AM, Sunil Hari wrote:


It's funnier because we learned how to do those on Thursday.

In other news, there are PROFESSIONAL genital exam models.  This guy 
came in
and had med students examine him for three hours!  Nothing but genital 
and

rectal exams for that long.  I really hope he got paid well.

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.

My God, a DRE for an engine.

RLE
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The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] WTF VW -- LT Don?

[redghost]

In your neck of the woods.  Call and find out


On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 10:37 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


http://spokane.craigslist.org/car/140923157.html


If it's not a diesel, I'm not interested!

-- Jim


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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] OT: Wood

[redghost]

That is what the sun roof is for


On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

wood than you could burn, and it keeps on coming.  Wonder if Jim C. 
has

a dual axle trailer for hauling cars that could convert to sides for
hauling wood back home.


Two axles, has side rails.  (Was used primarily as a hay hauler
by the PO.)  Probably better for hay than cars, the rails are too
high and you have to jack up an MB before you can open the doors.
Makes getting out the first time interesting!

-- Jim


--
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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[redghost]

Well that is what I am going to do with that nasty 606 from now on.  
Might give Gump a ream, just for grins when her GP change around 300k.


On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 07:12 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


redghost wrote:

Reamer is very important.  The carbon builds up and can interfere with
the GP doing its job.  The plug will cook and short out much sooner if
the crud is not removed at each change of GP.  Paid $600 to have all
the crud removed in the e300d because the last guy to install GP #5 
did

not, and it died inside, having cemented itself to the carbon.  You
need to remove that junk so the GP seats well.

Try Rusty for the tool, or PP always has them in their booklet



On the OM606 engines reaming is MUCH more important than it is on older
engines (unless a plug is hard to get out). I haven't needed a reamer
for more than 20 years, but if I had an OM606 engine I'd use a reamer
every time I changed plugs.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Saint Pats Cars

[redghost]

I am at a loss for how that came to be.  There were at least five w201 
at the biodiesel forum today, along with the usual assortment of w123 
and few w115 or w124.  Far too many VW.  One nice MOG, a toyota fire 
engine imported from Japan that is getting outfitted to make a world 
tour on Biodiesel.  Exxon gave them 100 gallons of bioD in Montana.  
They have an onboard crusher and processor so as to be able to run on 
VO or BioD.  200 gallon tank which will allow them to travel 2k miles 
without fill up.


On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 06:26 PM, OK Don wrote:


Is that the front end of the drive shaft and the rear of the tranny
sitting on the drive in the last picture of the 16v?
How would you do that?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/142854889.html  --  190e 16v  $3k



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Re: [MBZ] 1994 S Class Diesels, Bad Heads?

[Marshall Booth]

John Peterson wrote:

Did Mercedes fix the bad head issues with the S's by the 1994 year?  I was 
looking at the biggie 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-350-DIESEL-S350-94-MERCEDES-RARE-IMMACULATE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6336QQitemZ4622935201QQrdZ1

It is sad that such a comfortable body had such a vulnerable motor.


Head problems in OM603 engines were corrected in the late '80s.

The heads of ALL OM603.97 engines used in 126 and 140 cars were fine. 
The engines however were flawed and about 50% of the one I know of have 
self destructed (rods bent). The factory replacement engines were 
reliable. ALL of the original engines seemed to have been flawed (it 
really seems to have been a design flaw).


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Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

[redghost]

I will say that these models are going for high cash.  After the turn 
out for the Biodiesel forum today, there will be increased interest in 
a Benz, and sellers can ask what they like.  Far too many tiny little 
VW cars attending and many newbies would love a more refined car.


On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 05:44 PM, Woodlandtaylors wrote:


Jim,

Put a for sale sign in the back window, my daughter said the late 70's 
and
80's MB diesels are fetching big bucks around Seattle - any comment 
Casey.


Dennis T

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We're planning to fill up both tanks in Idaho tomorrow and
drive to Seattle and back in the car.  The shakedown cruise.


Fuel is a lot cheaper in Idaho, in case you're curious.  Effectively
the car is 'done', though there are a few small things left to do.
I'm into it a conservative 80 hours of labor, and the expenses
(including acquisition) are a hair under $1000.

(Hmm, motor mounts, restoring the AC, and a CLA on the sunroof
are still on the list.  Maybe not so small.  Sigh.)

I doubt this is going to make much money for us.  Nice looking
car, though.  That's why I want to drive it to Seattle.  That way
I get some small ROI for all the TLC before we sell it.  And it
ought to save us a bit of money if we don't have to buy expensive
Washington fuel.  (An extra gas tax.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

[Marshall Booth]

ned kleinhenz wrote:

Casey:
"I'd drain the oil, then pull the small removable side panel off the oil pan
"

Really? That would be like discovering the Northwest Passage.  Where is the
small removalble panel?  I don't rememeber noticing one while under there.
I don't see one pictured anywhere in the shop manual.
And accoring to the shop manual, removing the entire oil pan is not trivial
on this model
Are there some short-cuts I should find out about?


The mention of the side panel refers to OM603.96, 602.96 and later 
OM602.91 engines with EGRs. I don't believe that a 606.91 engine has 
such a port (but I haven't ever looked). Check out 01-315 in the 602/603 
engine manual. The sections covering the same jobs in the 606 engine 
manual don't show any side access and turbo OM603.97 and OM606.96 
engines don't seem to have the port.


Marshall
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[MBZ] late moose day

[redghost]

http://cbs13.com/topstories/local_story_077001519.html

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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] New Diesel car

[redghost]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108992

Might be ready by 2008, and will go 330mpg at 65mph
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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

[Marshall Booth]

The new style vacuum pumps have been reported to be reliable for more =

than 200kmi. Because there is seldom ANY warning of vacuum pump failure, =

mechanics that have worked on engines that have failed from pump failure =

usually suggest changing pumps at least every 200kmi. The pump used on =

the OM606 is the same design as was used on earlier OM60x engines =

although there have been several revisions (each intended to increase =

reliability) since that style was introduced in model year 1984.

When a 7.20607 series pump fails, the loose parts usually drops down =

into the chain vault and then into the sump. Occasionally they catch in =

the chain and this can destroy the engine. If the cam surface of the =

timer assembly is damaged, the entire timer must be replaced. Rarely the =

front shaft of the injection pump is damaged. If this occurs, the =

injection pump must be replaced. Following pump failure, the pump should =

be inspected and if there is indication of disintegration, all pump =

pieces should be removed from the sump. I know of several engines that =

have failed when pieces of a failed vacuum pump were ingested by and =

jammed the oil pump. The engine was destroyed in each of those cases.

I've attached the Pierburg installation instructions.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Rough Idle

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:46:31 -0600 Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The real fix, an upgraged spring, requires complete disassembly of the
> IP to replace it, so I'd wait until something else needs fixed, too
> expensive.

I don't have one of these cars, but from what I recall hearing on the
list, disassembly of the IP is not required to replace the damper.


Craig

[MBZ] A Diesel Rules Sebring!

[Chuck Landenberger]

That sez it all

Chuck
PhoenixAZ
 

Re: [MBZ] Rough Idle

[Peter Frederick]

This is a known problem with the IP.  The dampner is inadequate, and the spring 
on the other end of
the fuel rack gets weak with age, allowing the rack to vibrate fore and aft in 
sympathy with the
longitudial vibration of the engine (only affects the 5 cylinder, by the way).  
I believe the internal
design of the non-turbo IP is a bit different, so the effect is much less.

The cure is to adjust the dampner screw in slightly to reduce or eliminate the 
vibration, but you
cannot overadjust, else it won't start cold!  Also, eventually the vibration 
will get so bad it cannot
be adjusted out.  The real fix, an upgraged spring, requires complete 
disassembly of the IP to replace
it, so I'd wait until something else needs fixed, too expensive.

Peter

[MBZ] cheap 190D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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Re: [MBZ] 1994 S Class Diesels, Bad Heads?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I wouldnt say the heads are bullet proof, just less prone to cracking 
than the earlier 603's


Desert Rat wrote:


The technical term we use to describe these vehicles are "rod benders", John.
Heads were bullet proof .It's the egg shaped cylinders due to weak
rods is what caused most  of the 350 diesel engines to become boat
anchors.

You need to find one with a new MB crate engine and not just rebuilt.



On 3/18/06, John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Did Mercedes fix the bad head issues with the S's by the 1994 year?  I was 
looking at the biggie 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-350-DIESEL-S350-94-MERCEDES-RARE-IMMACULATE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6336QQitemZ4622935201QQrdZ1

It is sad that such a comfortable body had such a vulnerable motor.

John Peterson
1991 300D 2.5 78k
Kingston RI
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Re: [MBZ] 1994 S Class Diesels, Bad Heads?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep, and made the bottom end junk.

John Peterson wrote:


Did Mercedes fix the bad head issues with the S's by the 1994 year?  I was 
looking at the biggie 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-350-DIESEL-S350-94-MERCEDES-RARE-IMMACULATE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6336QQitemZ4622935201QQrdZ1

It is sad that such a comfortable body had such a vulnerable motor.

John Peterson
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Kingston RI
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD continued

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have 280K on mine.

Jeff Zedic wrote:


Don't be afraid of the heads!! My #14 is still going strong at 284kmi!!

There's 6 inches of extra room in the SDL!!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

[ned kleinhenz]

Casey:
"I'd drain the oil, then pull the small removable side panel off the oil pan
"

Really? That would be like discovering the Northwest Passage.  Where is the
small removalble panel?  I don't rememeber noticing one while under there.
I don't see one pictured anywhere in the shop manual.
And accoring to the shop manual, removing the entire oil pan is not trivial
on this model
Are there some short-cuts I should find out about?

Ned Kleinhenz

Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD continued

[Desert Rat]

I think the cracking has something to do with whether or not the
engine had a Trap Oxidizer and how many times the engine overheated.

On 3/18/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same here - 292kmi on a #14 head. IIRC, Marshall was saying around 20%
> of the 603 heads were cracking, and I'm guessing that most of them
> have already done it if they're going to.
> The 603 engine in the 126 chassis is awesome!!!  That 6 inches sure
> seems like more. Rear seat passengers really appreciate it.
>
> On 3/18/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Don't be afraid of the heads!! My #14 is still going strong at 284kmi!!
> >
> > There's 6 inches of extra room in the SDL!!
> >
> > Jeff Zedic
>
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> '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
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> '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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Re: [MBZ] 1994 S Class Diesels, Bad Heads?

[dave walton]

Mine blew the head gasket at 181k miles. While I was inside I also replaced
the bent #1 connecting rod. Wonderful cars - until they break. Later heads
have a redesigned oil passage in front of the #1 cylinder. I don't hear
people complaining about cracked heads on these.

The one on eBay looks to have the original motor and green antifreeze in it.
That's not good.

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99E300

On 3/18/06, John Peterson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Did Mercedes fix the bad head issues with the S's by the 1994 year?  I was
> looking at the biggie 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-350-DIESEL-S350-94-MERCEDES-RARE-IMMACULATE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6336QQitemZ4622935201QQrdZ1
>
>
> It is sad that such a comfortable body had such a vulnerable motor.
>
> John Peterson
> 1991 300D 2.5 78k
> Kingston RI
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Re: [MBZ] 1994 S Class Diesels, Bad Heads?

[Desert Rat]

The technical term we use to describe these vehicles are "rod benders", John.
Heads were bullet proof .It's the egg shaped cylinders due to weak
rods is what caused most  of the 350 diesel engines to become boat
anchors.

You need to find one with a new MB crate engine and not just rebuilt.



On 3/18/06, John Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did Mercedes fix the bad head issues with the S's by the 1994 year?  I was 
> looking at the biggie 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-350-DIESEL-S350-94-MERCEDES-RARE-IMMACULATE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6336QQitemZ4622935201QQrdZ1
>
> It is sad that such a comfortable body had such a vulnerable motor.
>
> John Peterson
> 1991 300D 2.5 78k
> Kingston RI
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[MBZ] 1994 S Class Diesels, Bad Heads?

[John Peterson]

Did Mercedes fix the bad head issues with the S's by the 1994 year?  I was 
looking at the biggie 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-350-DIESEL-S350-94-MERCEDES-RARE-IMMACULATE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6336QQitemZ4622935201QQrdZ1

It is sad that such a comfortable body had such a vulnerable motor.

John Peterson
1991 300D 2.5 78k
Kingston RI
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On 3/18/06, John Petersonwrote:
>
> 
> So the insurance company says they'll pay for the wheel and they will sue
> the dealership (so my sister doesn't have to.)  THEY hire an investigator
> who notices that not only were the lug nuts not tightened but IT WAS A
> USED,
> DEFECTIVE WHEEL.  Now remember, she had paid $400 for a "New Volvo Wheel."
>
> So for those of you that remember my transmission overfill story from last
> year- combine that with this and MAKE SURE you check EVERYTHING before
> leaving any dealership!!


John:

My GUESS is that the insurance co would only be interested in the fraud as
an supporting element of their case, and not as a standalone issue.  Might
be worth  some digging, as it sounds like you've got a clear case for fraud,
with independent data that someone else has collected for you and that you
might be able to use.  I'm not a lawyer, but triple damages and then
possibly punative on top of that might be meaningful.

Glad that nobody was hurt.  Freakin' weasels at that dealer (not that most
are any different).

Tony Wirtel

Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD continued

[OK Don]

Same here - 292kmi on a #14 head. IIRC, Marshall was saying around 20%
of the 603 heads were cracking, and I'm guessing that most of them
have already done it if they're going to.
The 603 engine in the 126 chassis is awesome!!!  That 6 inches sure
seems like more. Rear seat passengers really appreciate it.

On 3/18/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't be afraid of the heads!! My #14 is still going strong at 284kmi!!
>
> There's 6 inches of extra room in the SDL!!
>
> Jeff Zedic

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'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph

[John Peterson]

I am seeing this "never admit guilt" in more and more businesses.  My 
question is, how do people and businesses learn to do better if they are 
never wrong?  I don't think I could work in a business that requires such 
filth to be profitable.


- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph



John,
The loose lugs could be attributed to simple negligence, bad work habits, 
being distracted and what else.  But the used rim - I call that fraud.


Considering what could have happened they ought to buy your sister off 
with the deal of a lifetime on a new car (which she could have serviced 
elsewhere).


But then one of the things my wife came to hate after being in real estate 
for many years was the "never admit guilt" directive.


Richard Murdoch


From: "John Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/03/18 Sat PM 05:21:47 EST
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Wheel Fell off Sister's Car at 60mph

My younger sister has a 2000 Volvo which she brought in for service at 
the

Volvo dealership.  They told her she needed a new rim, so she said "okay"
and paid up the $400 to put it on and balance (existing tire)

They let her leave.  Down the road she hears a dragging sound and brings 
the

car back.  She brings it in and they said "oh, we forgot to put your sway
bar on"  DUH

But the story gets better.  They put the sway bar on and she went on the
highway.  The car did a nose dive and she went off the road.  She watched
her wheel roll down the highway lane.

State cops come, tow the car back to the Volvo dealership (not too 
bright)
and they say "You must have had an accident, it wasn't the wheel's 
fault."


So the insurance company says they'll pay for the wheel and they will sue
the dealership (so my sister doesn't have to.)  THEY hire an investigator
who notices that not only were the lug nuts not tightened but IT WAS A 
USED,
DEFECTIVE WHEEL.  Now remember, she had paid $400 for a "New Volvo 
Wheel."


So for those of you that remember my transmission overfill story from 
last

year- combine that with this and MAKE SURE you check EVERYTHING before
leaving any dealership!!

I think the service managers are pushing the mechanics so hard to do 3x 
the

normal work in the same time- the result is, of course, human error.  It
could have been a costly accident.

John Peterson
Kingston RI  1991 300D 2.5 78k

- Original Message - 
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel


> I'd guess double current bid. 8K wouldn't surprise me-these have been
> rising in value the last year or so that I have been watching them. And
> since I have been driving mine more now and phasing out the 240D as the
> only daily driver, I think they might be worth it.
>
> Dwight Giles, Jr
> 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
> 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
> Wickford, RI
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 1:40 AM
> To: mercedes
> Subject: [MBZ] 1990 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4621351682
> &rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
>
> Any idea what it should go for?
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD continued

[Jeff Zedic]

Don't be afraid of the heads!! My #14 is still going strong at 284kmi!!

There's 6 inches of extra room in the SDL!!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

[MBZ] Rough Idle

[Scott Ritchey]

Does anyone know (or have a theory) why the 917 turbo tends to idle rough
(especially when hot) but the 917 normally aspirated engine does not?  Is
this common or is it just my two cars?  =


The injectors are the same although the pop setting is higher for the turbo.
The IPs look similar but the turbo IP has the damper and the ALDA.  So why
does the turbo tend to idle rough?

Scott Ritchey
Kittrell NC
1982 300SD 220K
1979 300TD 350K
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage

[Luther Gulseth]

I'll check valves and oil leak next weekend.  What about checking the rear  
side of the turbo for oil?  How hard is that?  What's the proceedure for  
the baffle epoxy?

Rear bumper is free of oil.

Luther

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:05:21 -0600, John Berryman  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:


 What's the next suggestion for diagnosis?



Check for proper valve clearance, then wash the engine real good and
look for fresh oil on the outside. The oil on the pressure side of
the turbo may well be coming from the crankcase breather or the turbo
itself.
There is a baffle inside the valve cover that could have a gap that
needs to be epoxied that can cause an excessive amount of oil to be
picked up by the intake air. I would run a warm compression test
again too and compare with your previous results.
Any oil spots on the rear bumper or trunk area?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am





--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD continued

[kevin kraly]

I decided to hold out for the SDL.  I wanted a 'boat'.

How much longer is the 300SDL than the SD?  I've heard that there's a bunch 
more leg room in the SDL's rear seat area.  However, the 603 aluminum heads 
scare me!


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D 

Re: [MBZ] Oil Pan Damage

[kevin kraly]

Hi, Bruce.

Have you checked this car out yet?  I looked at an '84 300SD yesterday, a 
very nice car!  I've never taken a serious look at a W126 before, and it's a 
lot roomier than the W123's and this W115 220D.  This '84 may be a good one 
to just drive around and enjoy until it dies.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D 

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

[Jeff Zedic]

I'd drop the pan and see what's what! It's not that hard to do!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

[MBZ] Carfax, please

[Craig McCluskey]

WDBEB28D2LB264041

Should be the '90 300D/2.5 I mentioned earlier.


Thanks!


Craig