Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
The turbos start in 1st. As I said before, if it doesnt, something is wrong. Luther wrote: All of the 123/126's I've driven started in 1st gear. I double checked this morning on the way to work in my SD (soon to be for sale...) and it will start in first. Sometimes it will shift into 2nd within 1 second of starting, but it shifts none the less. This is with the gear shift in D. Could this be related to the bowden cable adjustment? I've played with my SD's adjustment enough so that it has even shifts all the way up and will down shift when under no throttle and I move the gear shift from D-S. Does anyone have factory documentation showing that these transmissions are suppose to start in 2nd unless the kickdown switch is activated? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006
Thats no probem at all. She snores and farts all night though. Gary Hurst wrote: you are in the small room though as ragina is sharing my room with me On 10/19/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Yes, I am sure I am right. I have been messing with those things for over 15 years. R A Bennell wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? 115's are 4 speeds, they start in 2nd. You have to push pedal down all the way and hit the kickdown to go into first, or manually shift it there. R A Bennell wrote: Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
BZT, WRONG. 116 450's are 3 speeds Loren Faeth wrote: even the 110 automatics were/are 4 speeds. MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. How many gears in a 300D? 2 in each of 4 doors = 8 4 to pump the oil = 4 2 in the steering gear = 2 2 in each front seat = 4 2 for each forward speed in the trans = 8 3 for reverse in the trans = 3 4 in the differential = 4 A cursory tally indicates there are at least 33 gears in an 83 300D, not considering the clock. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hood pad life (or lack of)
Probably rub on engine components. I use a aftermarket product specifically designed for the job, which is about 1/2 thick. Have had it on my 230E for well over two years and still looks like new. I have heard people say that the pad they bought from dealers is rubbish and not lasting. This is strange because the lifespan of original factory pads is round about 15 to 20 years. I just recently pulled the original one out of my Mum's 86 190E because it was starting to crumble. - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood pad life (or lack of) I think what I bought was junk. I am looking for an alternative to the $ 50 pad + shipping + glue. What would a 3/4 thick blue insulation board (like what's on my garage door) do? On 10/13/06, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are people saying that a hood pad can not withstand oil fumes and heat? Aren't those about the only two thing you can COUNT ON it being exposed to? I'd be really interested who you bought it from and/or who made it. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
Re: [MBZ] Hood pad life (or lack of)
I think you may try that first and let us know how Grandma's old rug does under the bonnet. - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood pad life (or lack of) Why not just get a rattle can of foaming insulation and spray that on? Would result in the same effect for noise and heat reduction with no decrease in flammability. You might try some carpet pad and tinfoil to fake up a workable hoodpad. Might actually be as good as the factory item On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: I think what I bought was junk. I am looking for an alternative to the $ 50 pad + shipping + glue. What would a 3/4 thick blue insulation board (like what's on my garage door) do? On 10/13/06, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are people saying that a hood pad can not withstand oil fumes and heat? Aren't those about the only two thing you can COUNT ON it being exposed to? I'd be really interested who you bought it from and/or who made it. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 10/13/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't remember for sure where I got it. Prolly The Benzbin. I am the only pack rat around here, and I didn't do it. My oil filler plug leaked a lot, so there were plenty fumes even the pad seemed dry. I just crumbled up. On 10/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans, Do you have pack rats? they will chew the thing up and carry it away to make a nest, often in the engine compartment. My original pad lasted more than 10 years, and it's replacement appears to be good for at least the same. Oil fumes will kill the pad so make sure your blowby is controlled. Regards, Jim Friesen -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Far as I know all four speed Merc boxes are designed to start in second, the operators manual makes reference to this if I remember right. The normal shift pattern is 2 3 4, selecting S will lock out 4th so the shift pattern is 2 3, selecting L while driving will put the box in second until you stop (or go very slow) upon which time 1st will be selected and stay there until the gearshift is put into S or D. Flooring from a dead stop will punch the box into 1st for a very short time. - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? All of the 123/126's I've driven started in 1st gear. I double checked this morning on the way to work in my SD (soon to be for sale...) and it will start in first. Sometimes it will shift into 2nd within 1 second of starting, but it shifts none the less. This is with the gear shift in D. Could this be related to the bowden cable adjustment? I've played with my SD's adjustment enough so that it has even shifts all the way up and will down shift when under no throttle and I move the gear shift from D-S. Does anyone have factory documentation showing that these transmissions are suppose to start in 2nd unless the kickdown switch is activated? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work Quoting andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My 83 300TD always starts in first gear and is an absolute rocket (277 K miles). I doubt I will ever want to sell such a great car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Loads of 3 speeds went into Benzes, they actually are a superb gearbox. - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? even the 110 automatics were/are 4 speeds. MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. How many gears in a 300D? 2 in each of 4 doors = 8 4 to pump the oil = 4 2 in the steering gear = 2 2 in each front seat = 4 2 for each forward speed in the trans = 8 3 for reverse in the trans = 3 4 in the differential = 4 A cursory tally indicates there are at least 33 gears in an 83 300D, not considering the clock. At 02:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? 115's are 4 speeds, they start in 2nd. You have to push pedal down all the way and hit the kickdown to go into first, or manually shift it there. R A Bennell wrote: Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006
[MBZ] Used parts specials for 10/19/06
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZokieQ2dbenz -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006
So does Hurst. (So I've heard...no personal knowledge) _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:47 PM Thats no probem at all. She snores and farts all night though. Gary Hurst wrote: you are in the small room though as ragina is sharing my room with me
Re: [MBZ] Rear Calipers - 91 300D 2.5T
They are dual piston ATE calipers, probably exactly the same as the Porsche (and anything else European). Very easy. GENTLE use of compressed air works, but I usually just free the stuck piston up with the brake pedal (remove that pad only, it will pop loose) then use two screwdrivers or two small prybars to lift the piston out after pulling off the doubtless roasted dust boot. Go gently with the vise grips -- they will collapse the line and fitting otherwise, and it will be REALLY stuck once it's not round anymore. They are 11mm, by the way, so good luck finding a line wrench! Peter
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. No, our 450 SL has one. So far as I know, all MB automatics were four-speeds with a fluid coupler. I thought they put the 3-speeds into the V8 cars, but they had a torque converter to make up for the lack of first gear. (Our SL will do about 60 in first.) Later they went to four-speeds with the TC. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Rear Calipers - 91 300D 2.5T
is it a big deal rebuilding them or should I go ahead and replace them? They rebuild just fine. I use a grease gun filled with water to pump out the pucks. (The threads are the same.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Jim C. Feels sick 10/19
Some cool stuff at that auction! Unfortunately due to employment I couldn't stay for the whole thing. It was thinly attended due to the rain, there were some nice deals. Such as the four-post RV lift for $250. (Some assembly required.) I went for an hour at lunch. I didn't get the scale weighing bed for use as a bridge over our creek, it went for $200. I wasn't sure it was quite long enough to serve. The pair of 17' hydraulic cylinders were a bit much for use in a wood splitter. Cool, though, you wouldn't need to cut the tree to length to split it! I did buy a fiberglass man bucket from a utility pole truck for $10. I may be able to hang it off the end of the Mog's crane. Or not. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006
actually, if you add violently scratching my scrotum, you pretty much have me here. On 10/19/06, Frank Pembleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So does Hurst. (So I've heard...no personal knowledge) _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:47 PM Thats no probem at all. She snores and farts all night though. Gary Hurst wrote: you are in the small room though as ragina is sharing my room with me ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006
y'know, you guys need to remind which list i'm on! geez, no wonder normal people stopped coming to klebnet On 10/19/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, if you add violently scratching my scrotum, you pretty much have me here. On 10/19/06, Frank Pembleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So does Hurst. (So I've heard...no personal knowledge) _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:47 PM Thats no probem at all. She snores and farts all night though. Gary Hurst wrote: you are in the small room though as ragina is sharing my room with me ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Hi; My 79 240D starts in 2nd unless accel. is pushed down all they way to floor, then downshifts to 1st my 83 300D works the same; starts in 2nd unless accel. pushed down to floor My 1985 works this way; Starts out in 1st (it is a Calif. model) not sure if Federal model is same? All three cars have a 4 speed auto. trans. Steve
Re: [MBZ] Speeds
MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. As I recall, my '73 450SE was a 3-speed. RLE
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Your owners manual will generally tell you what gear your trans should start in, assuming you have the correct manual for your car. Thats all assuming your car has its original transmission! Mercedes did offer 3 speed trannys, the 722.0XX, found on the 4.5 L versions of the 108 109 Chassis (ie 280SE/L 300SEL 4.5's), the 4.5L 107 chassis (ie 450 SL/C) as well as the 6.9 and 4.5 liter versions the 116 (450SE/L [6.9]) Glad I could clear all that up, Mike On 10/19/06, Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; My 79 240D starts in 2nd unless accel. is pushed down all they way to floor, then downshifts to 1st my 83 300D works the same; starts in 2nd unless accel. pushed down to floor My 1985 works this way; Starts out in 1st (it is a Calif. model) not sure if Federal model is same? All three cars have a 4 speed auto. trans. Steve
Re: [MBZ] Hood pad life (or lack of)
Comes to mind that the life of rubber parts does not start when put into service, but rather when produced. These hoodpads may been on the shelve for 15 to 20 yeras. I bought brand new fork spring gaiters for my '72 T100 Daytona and they lasted one year. I like That sounds like a Tank to be appropriate for my MB. On 10/19/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I have heard people say that the pad they bought from dealers is rubbish and not lasting. This is strange because the lifespan of original factory pads is round about 15 to 20 years
Re: [MBZ] Rear Calipers - 91 300D 2.5T
Thanks Peter - I tried an 11mm flare fitting wrench but it was damged before I got to it and it looks like it'll be damaged farther getting things loose I have new parts - except for the metal line on the passenger side - Rusty couldn;t get it - perhaps it's been discontinued. I may need to find a generic brake line that I can bend to final shape myself. I will wait until I have all the parts gathered before starting - thanks to your comments I will buy repair kits and rebuild the calipers. There was no problem with the brakes - only when I inspected the brakes did I notice one piston more extended than the other. Thanks again for the encouragement -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Calipers - 91 300D 2.5T They are dual piston ATE calipers, probably exactly the same as the Porsche (and anything else European). Very easy. GENTLE use of compressed air works, but I usually just free the stuck piston up with the brake pedal (remove that pad only, it will pop loose) then use two screwdrivers or two small prybars to lift the piston out after pulling off the doubtless roasted dust boot. Go gently with the vise grips -- they will collapse the line and fitting otherwise, and it will be REALLY stuck once it's not round anymore. They are 11mm, by the way, so good luck finding a line wrench! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.6/486 - Release Date: 10/19/2006
Re: [MBZ] Hood pad life (or lack of)
Must be so . I got mine off the shelf but seemed a little crumbly as if it had aged . mak Comes to mind that the life of rubber parts does not start when put into service, but rather when produced. These hoodpads may been on the shelve for 15 to 20 yeras. I bought brand new fork spring gaiters for my '72 T100 Daytona and they lasted one year. I like That sounds like a Tank to be appropriate for my MB. On 10/19/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I have heard people say that the pad they bought from dealers is rubbish and not lasting. This is strange because the lifespan of original factory pads is round about 15 to 20 years ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Far as I know all four speed Merc boxes are designed to start in second, the operators manual makes reference to this if I remember right. T'ain't so! My 1970 4 spd. 111 coupe 4 speed automatic on the floor starts in FIRST gear, however briefly, as does my 1983 300TD turbodiesel. On 10/19/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. No, our 450 SL has one. So far as I know, all MB automatics were four-speeds with a fluid coupler. I thought they put the 3-speeds into the V8 cars, but they had a torque converter to make up for the lack of first gear. (Our SL will do about 60 in first.) Later they went to four-speeds with the TC. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
I will say this again, so everyone pay attention, The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST. If they dont, something is wrong or misadjusted. The older non turbo cars start in 2nd, will kick down into first if kickdown switch is hit. The gas v8's with 4 speed trans(as in the 126's) start in 2nd. The later diesels(300SDL, 124's) start in first also. Michael Hall wrote: Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Your owners manual will generally tell you what gear your trans should start in, assuming you have the correct manual for your car. Thats all assuming your car has its original transmission! Mercedes did offer 3 speed trannys, the 722.0XX, found on the 4.5 L versions of the 108 109 Chassis (ie 280SE/L 300SEL 4.5's), the 4.5L 107 chassis (ie 450 SL/C) as well as the 6.9 and 4.5 liter versions the 116 (450SE/L [6.9]) Glad I could clear all that up, Mike On 10/19/06, Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; My 79 240D starts in 2nd unless accel. is pushed down all they way to floor, then downshifts to 1st my 83 300D works the same; starts in 2nd unless accel. pushed down to floor My 1985 works this way; Starts out in 1st (it is a Calif. model) not sure if Federal model is same? All three cars have a 4 speed auto. trans. Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hood pad life (or lack of)
Hendrik typed: I use a aftermarket product specifically designed for the job, which is about 1/2 thick. What is it exactly? Where can a dude with a crumbly hood pad see what you used? I replaced the one on the previous 300D I had and I seem to remember it was going south after about 3 years. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 161K '87 Acura Legend 178K Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D transmission
You can say it as often as you want, it doesn't make you right. On 10/20/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will say this again, so everyone pay attention, The 123 and 126 turbo cars start in FIRST. If they dont, something is wrong or misadjusted. The older non turbo cars start in 2nd, will kick down into first if kickdown switch is hit. The gas v8's with 4 speed trans(as in the 126's) start in 2nd. The later diesels(300SDL, 124's) start in first also. Michael Hall wrote: Mercedes has offered too many transmissions in too many different cars to unilaterally say what gear a given car will start in. I think a 79 240D should have a 722.117 and the 83 300D should have a 722.315 and both SHOULD start in 2nd gear. The 85 CALIFORNIA version should have what is essentially a 201 chassis tranny in a case that fits in a 123 - I believe this would be a 722.416, but either way, it SHOULD start in first gear. A Federal 85 should have the same 722.315 as an 83. Your owners manual will generally tell you what gear your trans should start in, assuming you have the correct manual for your car. Thats all assuming your car has its original transmission! Mercedes did offer 3 speed trannys, the 722.0XX, found on the 4.5 L versions of the 108 109 Chassis (ie 280SE/L 300SEL 4.5's), the 4.5L107 chassis (ie 450 SL/C) as well as the 6.9 and 4.5 liter versions the 116 (450SE/L [6.9]) Glad I could clear all that up, Mike On 10/19/06, Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; My 79 240D starts in 2nd unless accel. is pushed down all they way to floor, then downshifts to 1st my 83 300D works the same; starts in 2nd unless accel. pushed down to floor My 1985 works this way; Starts out in 1st (it is a Calif. model) not sure if Federal model is same? All three cars have a 4 speed auto. trans. Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '87 300SDL tensioner replace
So, I started on the tensioner pulley RR last night, but ended up spending more than an hour looking for my 10mm socket. So, I'm going to ask for the collective knowledge of the list on tensioner pulley RR for the OM 603. What are the gotchas? Can this be done with the radiator in place? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
[MBZ] Possible source of rim upgrades for 123 and early 126
This link might be of interest to some folks who are looking for an expanded selection of rims for their 123 and early 126 vehicles. VW Bus/Vanagons run the same 5x112mm - 30mm offset as 14 Bundt rims. YMMV http://www2.cip1.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1935 -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] changed slightly - How many gears in a 76' 300D?
I tried it last night on the way home from the office. Pulled it into L and it did appear to be a bit lower than normal. Not sure why MB bothered though. Unless I put a hitch on it and use it to pull boats out at the launch ramp, I'm not likely to ever need it. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? Nope - both of my 115 (1976) 300D's had four speed auto trannys., and my Dad's 115 (1972) 220D had a four speed auto tranny. All of them started in 2nd. On 10/19/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Light Alloy Wheels
Howdy - I was reading the procedure for adjusting the rear brakes and it tells of removing a single wheel lug, - and adjusting the brakes thru the hole - but it mentions the need to remove the Light Alloy Wheel. Does the standard wheels on my '91 300D 2.5T count as light alloy in this case? My wheels are the standard 18 hole (?) alloy wheel. Anyone know the reason the referenced wheels need to be removed to adjust the parking brakes? I'm not sure I understand how the lug stud hole would be blocked in any way TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ .
Re: [MBZ] Light Alloy Wheels
Larry, On my departed 116 300SD, I always removed the wheel in order to adjust the rear parking brake shoes... If for no other reason that it allowed for greater vertical movement of the screwdriver and greater movement of that thingy inside... If you can imagine a clockwise movement of that thingy, you want to move the screwdriver upwards for the right wheel and downwards for the left wheel. That will result in moving each shoe closer (outwards) to the parking brake drum... Keep rotating the rear rotor (or wheel if you don't remove it) to feel resistance, adjust to NO movement, then back off two clicks. Hope this helps and hope my memory has worked on this Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 20, 2006, at 9:53 AM, LarryT wrote: Howdy - I was reading the procedure for adjusting the rear brakes and it tells of removing a single wheel lug, - and adjusting the brakes thru the hole - but it mentions the need to remove the Light Alloy Wheel. Does the standard wheels on my '91 300D 2.5T count as light alloy in this case? My wheels are the standard 18 hole (?) alloy wheel. Anyone know the reason the referenced wheels need to be removed to adjust the parking brakes? I'm not sure I understand how the lug stud hole would be blocked in any way TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300SDL tensioner replace
Yes - you can do it with the radiator in place - but it's a lot easier with the shroud un-bolted, and perhaps the fan removed (can't remember). The only gotcha I ran into was that sinking feeling when it feels like the threads are stripping when torquing the big bolt through the tensioning arm into the timing cover. I recommend cleaning the threads thoroughly, and applying blue locktite - stop if you feel it's starting to strip. Marshall and others have managed to torque it to the recommended value (can't remember that either), but mine felt to soft before I got there, and I chickened out. Both seem to be holding fine - 3 years on the SDL and 1 on the 300D 2.5. On 10/20/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I started on the tensioner pulley RR last night, but ended up spending more than an hour looking for my 10mm socket. So, I'm going to ask for the collective knowledge of the list on tensioner pulley RR for the OM 603. What are the gotchas? Can this be done with the radiator in place? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] 1966 200D, 110 Chassis
Besides Marshall anyone have any experience with the 110 chassis and the 200D. I looked at one today, very little rust at all, owner who is the 3rd has done alot of work. Car has 100,000 miles all gauges work, original radio works. Needs some door seals, an rear window seals. interior in real good shape. Alot of chassis work has been done. Whole trunk load of parts. Engine started right up, no smoke ran nice. Needs a clutch cylinder (I could not drive it) and needs to be run like all diesels, they do not make for good pieces of furniture. Do these things have a Fan or is it the old VW heat, ie natural aspiration? How are the engines compared to the 617 and 616 non turbos? Is it easy to get parts? Any thoughts you could share please ect ect ect. I think this would make a great daily driver but I am a 123 chassis diesel guy... Thanks Tom Scordato
Re: [MBZ] changed slightly - How many gears in a 76' 300D?
It was handy when starting out up hill, first thing on a cold morning, before the engine had warmed up much --- On 10/20/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried it last night on the way home from the office. Pulled it into L and it did appear to be a bit lower than normal. Not sure why MB bothered though. Unless I put a hitch on it and use it to pull boats out at the launch ramp, I'm not likely to ever need it. Randy -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Light Alloy Wheels
Chuck nailed it - the light alloy wheels are thicker - giving you less vertical movement, might not a full clickworth. I removed the steel wheels anyway, just for that little bit of extra movement. On 10/20/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry, On my departed 116 300SD, I always removed the wheel in order to adjust the rear parking brake shoes... If for no other reason that it allowed for greater vertical movement of the screwdriver and greater movement of that thingy inside... If you can imagine a clockwise movement of that thingy, you want to move the screwdriver upwards for the right wheel and downwards for the left wheel. That will result in moving each shoe closer (outwards) to the parking brake drum... Keep rotating the rear rotor (or wheel if you don't remove it) to feel resistance, adjust to NO movement, then back off two clicks. Hope this helps and hope my memory has worked on this Take care, Chuck -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] cold(er) weather starting issues?
Randy A few things. 1. Good battery. 2. Convert from the looptype glow plugs to the filement type mercedessource.com has a conversion around 100 dollars US and an easy job. Biggest thing you can do. 3. Block heater. If you do not have one get one and put it in lower radiator hose. KAT makes them or replace on in you block if not working 4. Battery warmer. When it gets real cold 10 F or less I use a 110volt heating pad (which does not have auto shutoff) and I wrap the battery and putt a blanket or something to insulate the thing 5 Get a 110 volt timer to feed an extention cord with multiply plugs. Hope this helps/Tom Scordato 1979 240D - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: [MBZ] cold(er) weather starting issues? My old 115 300D was not happy about starting last evening. It is near 0 C here so about 32 F. It has been raining, blowing, and sometimes snowing a little here for the past week or more - a miserable October compared to last year when it was quite nice. We are way below normal temperatures. In any event, I had not run the car for a few days and it was sitting on the street in front of my house. I tried to start it last night and it would not go. It fired on a couple of cylinders but would not catch and run. The battery is obviously good as I cranked and cranked but it just did not want to catch. I stopped and tried again several times and on each of the subsequent tries the glow plug light only stayed on for a few seconds as opposed to the usual time. I ultimately pulled out the block heater cord and plugged it in for an hour and it then started like it was summer time. So, my question to those of you more experienced with these sorts of things, is, do I have some bad glow plugs or??? I got most of a set ( a long story) of new glow plugs from Rusty but have not changed any at this time. It seemed odd to me that it sounded like only a couple of cylinders were trying to catch. I am no expert on diesels but I would say the car ran fine all summer and it did not seem to lack in power etc once I got it running last night. I also wondered about valve adjustment etc. I have been negligent in the sense that I have gathered the stuff to do the valves (tools and gasket) but have yet to actually get to it. What else would cause it to be unhappy about starting? I should think one could count on it to start in colder weather than that. I don't drive it in the winter so I never tried to start it in cold weather last year. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cold(er) weather starting issues?
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:43:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Convert from the looptype glow plugs to the filement type mercedessource.com has a conversion around 100 dollars US and an easy job. Biggest thing you can do. Talk to our list sponsor (Rusty) at (800) 741-5252 about this. Yes, it helps a lot. 3. Block heater. If you do not have one get one and put it in lower radiator hose. KAT makes them or replace on in you block if not working Rusty also sells them. Adjust the valves, too. Craig
Re: [MBZ] 1966 200D, 110 Chassis
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 03:31:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides Marshall anyone have any experience with the 110 chassis and the 200D. I looked at one today, very little rust at all, owner who is the 3rd has done alot of work. Car has 100,000 miles all gauges work, original radio works. Needs some door seals, an rear window seals. interior in real good shape. Alot of chassis work has been done. Whole trunk load of parts. Engine started right up, no smoke ran nice. Needs a clutch cylinder (I could not drive it) and needs to be run like all diesels, they do not make for good pieces of furniture. Do these things have a Fan or is it the old VW heat, ie natural aspiration? How are the engines compared to the 617 and 616 non turbos? Is it easy to get parts? Any thoughts you could share please ect ect ect. I think this would make a great daily driver but I am a 123 chassis diesel guy... If you're used to a 123, the 110 diesel might be a bit underpowered. Nice runners are hard to find at a reasonable price. Someone on here put a bazillion miles on one of those, think it was Loren. I think whoever it was even had it long enough to rebuild the engine. K
Re: [MBZ] cold(er) weather starting issues?
Hello Tom Not really worried about cold weather starting in the long term. I don't drive the car through the winter. I will park it in the garage on Halloween and not drive it until probably April of 07. I just have it on the street now as I have another project sitting in its garage spot temporarily and it has turned a bit cold here. It did not want to start the other night after sitting for a few days. The battery appears strong and it will start fine if I plug in the block heater for an hour - maybe less but I have not tried that. I just wondered if it indicated a glow plug issue as it tried to start but not on all cylinders. It has also been suggested that I need to check the valve adjustment as it could be that a couple are too tight and I am losing compression when it is cold. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold(er) weather starting issues? Randy A few things. 1. Good battery. 2. Convert from the looptype glow plugs to the filement type mercedessource.com has a conversion around 100 dollars US and an easy job. Biggest thing you can do. 3. Block heater. If you do not have one get one and put it in lower radiator hose. KAT makes them or replace on in you block if not working 4. Battery warmer. When it gets real cold 10 F or less I use a 110volt heating pad (which does not have auto shutoff) and I wrap the battery and putt a blanket or something to insulate the thing 5 Get a 110 volt timer to feed an extention cord with multiply plugs. Hope this helps/Tom Scordato 1979 240D
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
I did my drivers license test in a '74 Saab. The only thing I vaguely remember about the '85 era vehicles is that I think they have the extra weird gear driven H2O pumps which are a bitch to RR, and leak into the sump when they fail. I like Saabs...sort of. On 10/20/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know we've got some Saab enthusiasts on this list so. Theres an '85 Saab 900 on Craigslist near me. 114k miles, 5spd. Supposedly needs a fuel pump relay to run. They want $200, the pictures make it look like a very nice car which considering its a New England car means its a rust bucket but I digress. Back in highschool I had a friend who had a '79 Saab which she let me drive once. I remember it being a very nice driving car. We currently need a third car for a backup and since I'm having no luck finding another Benz I'm opening the field a bit. I've been told that old Saabs are a nightmare to keep up. Any opinions? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Saab question
Curt, I had many 900's. Very nice car. Will run 200k+. Gearbox in the 85-88 were weak and usually gave out about 130k or so. I might have been an exception, but I had really, really good luck with all of my 900's. No electrical problems, they were spirited, economical and parts were cheap. Easy to work on too. You will want the Bentley manual. Fuel pump is most likely bad- the relays go but the fuel pumps (electric) cut out every 70k or so. Just a guess. Never had the relay go- just the pumps. Would I buy another 900? Absolutely. After having owned a 300D, absolutely. Two different cars, but both very nice. John Peterson Curt Raymond wrote: I know we've got some Saab enthusiasts on this list so. Theres an '85 Saab 900 on Craigslist near me. 114k miles, 5spd. Supposedly needs a fuel pump relay to run. They want $200, the pictures make it look like a very nice car which considering its a New England car means its a rust bucket but I digress. Back in highschool I had a friend who had a '79 Saab which she let me drive once. I remember it being a very nice driving car. We currently need a third car for a backup and since I'm having no luck finding another Benz I'm opening the field a bit. I've been told that old Saabs are a nightmare to keep up. Any opinions? Thanks -Curt - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O.T. opening attachment question
I hate asking computer questions 'cause I'm such a friggin' rock when it comes to these confusers, but here goes. When ever there is a link within an email (like Kaleb's look-at-my-parts link) and I try to click on it to go there, my computer just locks up. The cursor arrow turns into the little pointy finger but nothing happens. If I go to task manager it says what ever it is is still running. So I wait.then when I do the control, alt, delete I get the this application is not responding message. I click end task and my email closes. I'm using Outlook Express which I've always used (rememberI'm a computer idiot). I suppose several of you will encourage me to change what email I use, but if there is something I can do to make this work I would rather do that for now. This is annoying. Thanks Bob Rentfro '77 300D 161K '87 Acura Legend 178K Litchfield Park, AZ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 20 23:13:12 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb3Y8-0006ob-Em for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:13:12 + Received: from [192.168.0.5] (c-24-18-178-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.18.178.168]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id 20061020231259m1100rrpf3e; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:13:09 + Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:13:08 -0700 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. opening attachment question X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:13:13 - do not click on the link? Instead copy the link and paste it into a browser window. Must be some sort of disconnect between your mail and browser. Are you using M$ Exploder? On Oct 20, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: I hate asking computer questions 'cause I'm such a friggin' rock when it comes to these confusers, but here goes. When ever there is a link within an email (like Kaleb's look-at-my-parts link) and I try to click on it to go there, my computer just locks up. The cursor arrow turns into the little pointy finger but nothing happens. If I go to task manager it says what ever it is is still running. So I wait.then when I do the control, alt, delete I get the this application is not responding message. I click end task and my email closes. I'm using Outlook Express which I've always used (rememberI'm a computer idiot). I suppose several of you will encourage me to change what email I use, but if there is something I can do to make this work I would rather do that for now. This is annoying. Thanks Bob Rentfro '77 300D 161K '87 Acura Legend 178K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
