Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Guys I really appreciate the advice you're posting here. The road(s) I'm fading on are typically very steep, long descents, with plenty of hairpin bends which require frequent further reductions in speed. Travelling these descents in 2nd gear would have my engine screaming. But actually, I know in my guts that you're right about that. I'll change the brake fluid and check the brake booster for starters. Then look at the pads and rotors (we call them disks). Then I'll report back if I survive the test drives. Cheers, and thanks Euan PS Thanks for the purchase offer but this lady ain't for sale. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
All that, and in DC you will need to get 16 permits, pay off various govt inspectors and authorities, get taxed outrageously, and donate to reelection campaigns to keep the crooks in office. --R Max Dillon wrote: How about calling your business Global Warming-R-Us? You see, composting will release more CO2, which according to Al Gore (let's take a momement to say Thanks for the Internet Al!) causes Man-Made Global Warming, drowning polar bears and sinking Pacific islands and allowing Brits to grow decent wine grapes (what Horror!) On second thought, I don't think it will work. Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:57:44 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,, -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win. True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR
Rich wrote: Actually I think my dad's Deville I have has some sort of magnetic shock set up that varies the stiffness depending on what is going on, but I'm not sure. It rides pretty easy on the road but when pushed actually handles very well and does not wallow much (unlike my earlier experiences with big American iron, when I started driving, and my 76 Eldo convertible with the 500ci front drive setup). It surprises me often when I push it a bit. When you stomp the throttle the V8 puts out a very pleasant growl, the rear end squats down and it runs the dial up pretty fast. Front wheel drive, just a bit of torque steer. My buddy who has an S430 likes riding in it. It's called Speed Sensitive Steering. It is a very nifty feature and it does do a very good job of controlling a big car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR
Lt Don wrote: Not sure what driving is like down there, but here it is often mind-numbing hours upon hours of just holding onto the steering wheel and listening to the radio while zipping along the Interstate highway system. For as much as us Benz folks like to trash it, the Caddy does that very well, My 300E does, too, but Snook failed to purchase the car so now I get to enjoy it. Plus, now the 300E gets to enjoy an Obama sticker on the rear window -- Snook would not have done that. Agreed! The Cadillac Division is one of the few reasons GM is still around (let's hope they can hang on). As many nasty comments as Hendrik wants to make, its pretty clear that people have different opinions about what they like. I have owned 7 MB's and only 1 Cadillac. I still want a 90-93 300D 2.5 (again), but as far as comparing this Cadillac to my 126 (supposedly the best touring MB around), I would take the Cadillac everytime. I really enjoyed the 300SEL, but after driving 900 miles this weekend, I am glad I spent it in the Caddy. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR
Well, I guess you can still Hope to Change back to a Benz. Maybe you can get someone to make up a red/blue cartoon of Karl Benz gazing messianically up to the sky, with the word Hope beneath it, and stick it in the back window of the Cad. --R Donald Snook wrote: Lt Don wrote: Not sure what driving is like down there, but here it is often mind-numbing hours upon hours of just holding onto the steering wheel and listening to the radio while zipping along the Interstate highway system. For as much as us Benz folks like to trash it, the Caddy does that very well, My 300E does, too, but Snook failed to purchase the car so now I get to enjoy it. Plus, now the 300E gets to enjoy an Obama sticker on the rear window -- Snook would not have done that. Agreed! The Cadillac Division is one of the few reasons GM is still around (let's hope they can hang on). As many nasty comments as Hendrik wants to make, its pretty clear that people have different opinions about what they like. I have owned 7 MB's and only 1 Cadillac. I still want a 90-93 300D 2.5 (again), but as far as comparing this Cadillac to my 126 (supposedly the best touring MB around), I would take the Cadillac everytime. I really enjoyed the 300SEL, but after driving 900 miles this weekend, I am glad I spent it in the Caddy. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
My son is a vegan, has a buffed physique, and doesn't wear leather. He rescues and fosters animals (pets) but is anything but a radical. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go the link I provided then get back to me. If it has lungs, I don't eat it. If it has gills, come to daddy. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:01 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried Bison (buffalo)? Almost fat free - and tasty! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Please also check the brake booster hose for leaks or cracks. Mine broke into two halves, and boy was braking the car hard after that! ! On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:56 AM, Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys I really appreciate the advice you're posting here. The road(s) I'm fading on are typically very steep, long descents, with plenty of hairpin bends which require frequent further reductions in speed. Travelling these descents in 2nd gear would have my engine screaming. But actually, I know in my guts that you're right about that. I'll change the brake fluid and check the brake booster for starters. Then look at the pads and rotors (we call them disks). Then I'll report back if I survive the test drives. Cheers, and thanks Euan PS Thanks for the purchase offer but this lady ain't for sale. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
1. No 2. No 3. No - in fact, property taxes are below those in MD where we lived before. It is irksome to lack representation in Congress, however (this will soon change). 4. Yes, I do donate to various partisan causes but never to crooks. This activity has borne fruit (pending the results of the Senate race in MN). Incidentally, if you're aware of a better political sytem do let us know. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All that, and in DC you will need to get 16 permits, pay off various govt inspectors and authorities, get taxed outrageously, and donate to reelection campaigns to keep the crooks in office. --R Max Dillon wrote: How about calling your business Global Warming-R-Us? You see, composting will release more CO2, which according to Al Gore (let's take a momement to say Thanks for the Internet Al!) causes Man-Made Global Warming, drowning polar bears and sinking Pacific islands and allowing Brits to grow decent wine grapes (what Horror!) On second thought, I don't think it will work. Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:57:44 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,, -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
And what does Loren have to say about this? On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win. True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR
Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, I guess you can still Hope to Change back to a Benz. Maybe you can get someone to make up a red/blue cartoon of Karl Benz gazing messianically up to the sky, with the word Hope beneath it, and stick it in the back window of the Cad. Meanwhile replace the Cadillac coat of arms hood ornament with a Star, as well. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Certainly it should be flushed. The chances of boiling water in the fluid is drastically lowered with vented rotors :) -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: and all that has no effect if you have water in the brake fluid! Flush our the old fluid! CHANGE THE FLUID! Use ONLY the right stuff! DOT4! At 07:58 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote: Brake fading is not entirely due to boiling water in the fluid. Once your brake pads hit a certain temp they are going to be worthless. I recommend upgrading to W126 rotors (vented) and calipers. Gen 1 are a direct swap no muss no fuss. Gen 2 requires 15 or larger wheels and you have to swap the back plates as well. Gen2 is a larger diameter rotor and larger area pad and larger piston == greater stopping power. You might also want to look at a harder compound pad, like the EBC red's. If you do towing I would get the Gen 2 setup otherwise I would *highly* recommend switching to the gen 1 setup. The most important thing in any car is stopping. -Rolf Euan wrote: Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Army in Afghanistan
*2. There was a similar photo assembly from the UN side of Afghanistan, German, Canadians and others. Equally picturesque. -Rolf Gary Hurst wrote: some really good images there. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/11/afghanistans_korengal_valley.html ** Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp; ncid=emlcntaolcom0002) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
I kinda like that mayor y'all had, the one that got busted with hookers smoking crack or snorting coke or whatever, who staged a big comeback after doing his penance. Marion Barry, that's the guy, a stellar mayor, very popular! Weren't there bribes mixed in there too? (Maybe that is Buddy Cianci I am thinking of, he didn't do crack though.). I think our political system is great just as it is -- the best crooks money can buy! Oh, and back to the matter at hand, our little community in Mass had some sort of composting program going on with leaves and grass and stuff. I went one day and picked up a big load to spread on the lawn. After the first rain all the good stuff washed away and what was left was plaster chunks, nails, and broken glass. Seems the local cawntractahs figured out they could get rid of demo debris by mixing it in with leaves and grass and putting it by the curb for the city to collect, or dumping it on the pile at the city yahd. I was out there with my shop vac vacuuming the lawn after it dried out. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: 1. No 2. No 3. No - in fact, property taxes are below those in MD where we lived before. It is irksome to lack representation in Congress, however (this will soon change). 4. Yes, I do donate to various partisan causes but never to crooks. This activity has borne fruit (pending the results of the Senate race in MN). Incidentally, if you're aware of a better political sytem do let us know. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All that, and in DC you will need to get 16 permits, pay off various govt inspectors and authorities, get taxed outrageously, and donate to reelection campaigns to keep the crooks in office. --R Max Dillon wrote: How about calling your business Global Warming-R-Us? You see, composting will release more CO2, which according to Al Gore (let's take a momement to say Thanks for the Internet Al!) causes Man-Made Global Warming, drowning polar bears and sinking Pacific islands and allowing Brits to grow decent wine grapes (what Horror!) On second thought, I don't think it will work. Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:57:44 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,, -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Euan wrote: The road(s) I'm fading on are typically very steep, long descents, with plenty of hairpin bends which require frequent further reductions in speed. Sounds like you need to look into Rolf's W126 upgraded brake setup. IIRC, it is bolt on. The vented rotors will really help cool cool everything off between braking. I'd also try the ceramic pads since they apparently off-gas less, which is the cause of fade. We had a big discussion on this a while back and Akebono pads were the pad of choice. One last thing... make sure your rotor's thickness isn't below spec. If they're too thin they loose the thermal mass that would otherwise slow down the fade. Best of luck! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
What happened to Kaleb's no politics rule? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k I kinda like that mayor y'all had, the one that got busted with hookers smoking crack or snorting coke or whatever, who staged a big comeback after doing his penance. Marion Barry, that's the guy, a stellar mayor, very popular! Weren't there bribes mixed in there too? (Maybe that is Buddy Cianci I am thinking of, he didn't do crack though.). I think our political system is great just as it is -- the best crooks money can buy! Oh, and back to the matter at hand, our little community in Mass had some sort of composting program going on with leaves and grass and stuff. I went one day and picked up a big load to spread on the lawn. After the first rain all the good stuff washed away and what was left was plaster chunks, nails, and broken glass. Seems the local cawntractahs figured out they could get rid of demo debris by mixing it in with leaves and grass and putting it by the curb for the city to collect, or dumping it on the pile at the city yahd. I was out there with my shop vac vacuuming the lawn after it dried out. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: 1. No 2. No 3. No - in fact, property taxes are below those in MD where we lived before. It is irksome to lack representation in Congress, however (this will soon change). 4. Yes, I do donate to various partisan causes but never to crooks. This activity has borne fruit (pending the results of the Senate race in MN). Incidentally, if you're aware of a better political sytem do let us know. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All that, and in DC you will need to get 16 permits, pay off various govt inspectors and authorities, get taxed outrageously, and donate to reelection campaigns to keep the crooks in office. --R Max Dillon wrote: How about calling your business Global Warming-R-Us? You see, composting will release more CO2, which according to Al Gore (let's take a momement to say Thanks for the Internet Al!) causes Man-Made Global Warming, drowning polar bears and sinking Pacific islands and allowing Brits to grow decent wine grapes (what Horror!) On second thought, I don't think it will work. Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:57:44 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern Tool To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,, -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1821 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 5:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1821 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 5:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
Rich Thomas wrote: All that, and in DC you will need to get 16 permits, pay off various govt inspectors and authorities, get taxed outrageously, and donate to reelection campaigns to keep the crooks in office. Kind of like Mexico, eh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
andrew strasfogel wrote: 3. No - in fact, property taxes are below those in MD where we lived before. It is irksome to lack representation in Congress, however (this will soon change). You're moving, or the 'conspiracy theorists' are correct when they say that the socialists are planning to grant statehood for DC and Puerto Rico to help skew the voting pool? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
I make no claims for Mass. politicians. Also, Mayor Barry is so very last millennium. The D.C. government has really cleaned up its act since he left office. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: All that, and in DC you will need to get 16 permits, pay off various govt inspectors and authorities, get taxed outrageously, and donate to reelection campaigns to keep the crooks in office. Kind of like Mexico, eh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
I have no idea what you're talking about. What has PR to do with this? On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: 3. No - in fact, property taxes are below those in MD where we lived before. It is irksome to lack representation in Congress, however (this will soon change). You're moving, or the 'conspiracy theorists' are correct when they say that the socialists are planning to grant statehood for DC and Puerto Rico to help skew the voting pool? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR
I've never driven a 126 (well, moved one in a driveway once but that doesn't really count) but I have spent significant time in 2 different Cadillac CTSs. The first would have been an '03, the other was an '04, both were six kinds of awesome... My wife knew an older lady who needed her car taken to Florida when she would snowbird, so on two different occasions we drove it down, once we drove it back. On 2 of the occasions we doubled the mileage on the car... The CTS was powerful and comfortable, got reasonably good mileage and the OnStar service was really handy finding hotels and whatnot. We'd generally do the drive in 3 comforatable days which was a hoot and a half considering everything was paid for... IIRC (its been awhile, the last time we did it was in '04) the car would do somewhere north of 20mpg which isn't bad considering we cruised north of 75mph most of the time. While I detest the look of Don's Caddy if I were in the market for a big cruiser and had some money to spend I'd surely give the CTS at try... -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:17:50 -0600 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lt Don wrote: Not sure what driving is like down there, but here it is often mind-numbing hours upon hours of just holding onto the steering wheel and listening to the radio while zipping along the Interstate highway system. For as much as us Benz folks like to trash it, the Caddy does that very well, My 300E does, too, but Snook failed to purchase the car so now I get to enjoy it. Plus, now the 300E gets to enjoy an Obama sticker on the rear window -- Snook would not have done that. Agreed! The Cadillac Division is one of the few reasons GM is still around (let's hope they can hang on). As many nasty comments as Hendrik wants to make, its pretty clear that people have different opinions about what they like. I have owned 7 MB's and only 1 Cadillac. I still want a 90-93 300D 2.5 (again), but as far as comparing this Cadillac to my 126 (supposedly the best touring MB around), I would take the Cadillac everytime. I really enjoyed the 300SEL, but after driving 900 miles this weekend, I am glad I spent it in the Caddy. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
Your thread was hijacked. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1821 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 5:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1821 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 5:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
It does not exist. You need to collect stuff that is highly distributed and low volume. You will need to give them containers to store the stuff in. It will be more effort for the source to separate and deal with it, so you might have to pay them. You need a place and equipment to compost it. You need to sell stuff, and you are competing with free as in whatever a homeowner mows or rakes or generates from the kitchen. You need permits (probably hazardous waste and enviro aspects as well as a host of others) to operate, licenses, tax numbers, corporation fees, etc etc. You are competing with $2/40lb bag from Lowes and Home Depot. You will need to pay people to work, plus all their overhead costs. You will have people screaming that you are putting a hazardous waste facility in their neighborhood (no matter whether it is or not). Your start-up costs will be prohibitive. Your operating costs will be prohibitive. Your marketing and sales costs will be prohibitive. Your market will be small. Your product is heavy and not easily transportable, and not very attractive to most people. Other than all that it is a great idea. I found that bannedlite thing, will check that out. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. You've gotten what you paid for. Seriously, if it were so easy that someone could formulate a business plan for recycling coffee grounds for profit, in response to an email posting on a Mercedes-Benz discussion list, well then I guess someone would already be doing it. The fact that nobody is already doing it means either: a) You've hit on a really unique idea. b) Others have already considered the concept and concluded there's no money to be made (note that does not necessarily mean it's a bad idea, you might have an approach that nobody else considered). Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
It's a great model, you just have to find the right market. Small Caribbean countries that lack good topsoil and sewage infrastructure would be very appreciative of someone stepping up to organize an effort like this. Unfortunately, the US comes in about dead last in the world when it comes to implementing green ideas. -Dave Walton On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Hey Y'all in the MS or NO LA area
Loren wrote: Nope. Just what has become an annual trip to the gulf to escape the ice and snow for a few days. My daughter wants to find work in the gulf coast area after she graduates in May. Say hello to my parents while you are down there. They live in Biloxi. John and Betty Snook. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR
Allen wrote: Meanwhile replace the Cadillac coat of arms hood ornament with a Star, as well. I have seen that done. I think I will keep it stock. It is a real shame when people take Mercedes or buicks or Cadillacs, or whatever kind of car and put crap all over them and modify them (usually with no benefit). Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
andrew strasfogel wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about. What has PR to do with this? I was just reading a diatribe this weekend, in which a fellow claimed the Obaminoids were plotting to increase their power by granting statehood to the presumably socialist residents of DC and PR. The very next day you mentioned Congressional representation for DC, so I figured maybe you and the Obama hater knew something about The Messiah's plans that I didn't know. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR
Curt Raymond wrote: I were in the market for a big cruiser and had some money to spend I'd surely give the CTS at try... CTS or DTS? The CTS is the replacement for the Catera (the Caddy that Zigs!), and the DTS is the replacement for The Donald's new ride. I would expect 'reasonable mpg' for a CTS to be 30+ on a long freeway trip. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cadillac Update
I drove the new (to me) Cadillac this weekend. We had a four drive to the in law's house, then on Friday we drove to KC (2 hours) to see the Mizzou v. Ku game at arrowhead on Saturday, then drove back to In law's house, then left on Sunday to drive back to Wichita. I can report that I love this car. I drove 900 miles over Thursday through Sunday. On the way up to in law's house (White Cloud, KS), I got 24.4 mpg (a lot of turnpike at 75+ mph). Then down to KC on the interstate 65-70 averaged 26.6 mpg. Then on the way back to Wichita, averaged 25.5. I don't know why the trip back to Wichita was better than the trip to White Cloud except that there is a significant increase in elevation between Wichita and White Cloud. It drove very well, was ultra comfortable and I enjoyed it. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
OK, my last comment on the subject. My wife in a previous life was residuals program manager for the Boston Harbor Project, the new wastewater treatment facility for the greater Boston area back in the 90s. It was a huge project, her job was dealing with the leftovers (sludge). If you ever fly into Boston you will see several large egg-shaped digesters on Deer Island there by the airport where the sludge is composted. Those were her responsibility. The stuff that comes out is pretty clean since Boston does not have a lot of heavy industry that would dump nasty stuff. It would be great for applications as you mention below, and in fact these were investigated and I think some might actually be in use now. One place that really wanted the stuff was turf farms, and islands were an option too until enviros started screaming that Boston was dumping its problem on the third world, etc etc (even though the third world had a clear interest in the stuff). (I think some might actually be importing sludge compost now from various places.) She would have to go to public meetings in various places where the Authority was trying to find dump sites for the stuff (pretty benign nice clean organic compost basically but since it was, uh, human originated mostly, you get the idea) as one of the disposal options. I would see her on the 11PM news in front of these rabid screaming citizens who were very nearly rioting in the meetings, opposed to using exiting landfill dump sites that were accepting who knows what for disposal. Then later on, after midnight she would get home exhausted and scared because of threats for physical harm she endured before, during, and after the meetings. We would get threatening phone calls at home occasionally. It got to where they would have to bring cops along to protect them at these meetings. Anyway, it all got done, and the sludge compost is going somewhere now I guess. But that gives you an idea of what you have to deal with. --R dave walton wrote: It's a great model, you just have to find the right market. Small Caribbean countries that lack good topsoil and sewage infrastructure would be very appreciative of someone stepping up to organize an effort like this. Unfortunately, the US comes in about dead last in the world when it comes to implementing green ideas. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
Tell me Rich, do you see any down sides to it? :) Harry It does not exist. You need to collect stuff that is highly distributed and low volume. You will need to give them containers to store the stuff in. It will be more effort for the source to separate and deal with it, so you might have to pay them. You need a place and equipment to compost it. You need to sell stuff, and you are competing with free as in whatever a homeowner mows or rakes or generates from the kitchen. You need permits (probably hazardous waste and enviro aspects as well as a host of others) to operate, licenses, tax numbers, corporation fees, etc etc. You are competing with $2/40lb bag from Lowes and Home Depot. You will need to pay people to work, plus all their overhead costs. You will have people screaming that you are putting a hazardous waste facility in their neighborhood (no matter whether it is or not). Your start-up costs will be prohibitive. Your operating costs will be prohibitive. Your marketing and sales costs will be prohibitive. Your market will be small. Your product is heavy and not easily transportable, and not very attractive to most people. Other than all that it is a great idea. I found that bannedlite thing, will check that out. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
because composting releases CO2, and according to Albore, the almighty expert on everything, releasing CO2 kills the planet. Someone on the list merely pointed out the hypocrisy. It is not political, other than albore belongs to a political party. At 09:37 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote: I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
It is all in perspective. A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the average lifespan of a caddy is 150k miles. That would leave you 100k useable miles. An SDL with 250k and no rust is 1/4 spent, figuring a lifespan of 1 million. That leaves 750k to go. The cost of ownership of the SDL is less. At 07:54 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote: Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win. True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cadillac Update
Try it on a middle grade of gasoline. My HHR gets 15% better fuel mileage when run on 91 0ctane and it runs better. I track all my fuel on spreadsheet in my PALM. If Middle test is less that 10% premium, that's what I feed it. Pete -- Original message -- From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] I drove the new (to me) Cadillac this weekend. We had a four drive to the in law's house, then on Friday we drove to KC (2 hours) to see the Mizzou v. Ku game at arrowhead on Saturday, then drove back to In law's house, then left on Sunday to drive back to Wichita. I can report that I love this car. I drove 900 miles over Thursday through Sunday. On the way up to in law's house (White Cloud, KS), I got 24.4 mpg (a lot of turnpike at 75+ mph). Then down to KC on the interstate 65-70 averaged 26.6 mpg. Then on the way back to Wichita, averaged 25.5. I don't know why the trip back to Wichita was better than the trip to White Cloud except that there is a significant increase in elevation between Wichita and White Cloud. It drove very well, was ultra comfortable and I enjoyed it. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
Doubt its going to happen. I compost all or nearly all our food waste and realize that many (most?) people would freak at the idea. People get really freaked out by the idea of today's rotting food being tomorrow's high grade compost. So I presume you could get all your raw materials for free but there are significant questions about the safety of composting meat and dairy. I'm hip to it but my compost rests around a year before being used. The important thing is to keep it hot and kill any potential pathogens. I think the problem as a business is going to be the amount that would need to move, the amount space you'd need to do it and the time. Good compost can be made quickly (3-5 months) but it becomes more labor intensive... So you tell restaurants okay I'll save you refuse haulage costs ie they'll keep food out of their waste stream and thus limit the amount of refuse that they need to pay to get rid of. The problem is they need to separate... So you tell them you'll take paper too (you'll need the paper to make good compost) but they have to measure they amount of effort the separation takes vs the amount they save... I dunno, seems unlikely to me, if garbage costs escallated though... -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:37:45 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR
I forget, its been a long time. CTS I think, the CTS was the more sporty car. Still a big car by my estimation. The Hyundi Elantra is considered mid size now by Avis and the CTS is bigger than that. Fuel economy.gov says 16-25 for auto trans and regular fuel. I only ever put regular fuel in those cars, hope thats what it wanted :) I've never driven a Catera, was under the impression it was a fairly small car. I sat comfortably in the back seat of the CTS with the front seat set for me. I'm 6' so no giant but not little and I like my leg room. -Curt Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:38:38 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: I were in the market for a big cruiser and had some money to spend I'd surely give the CTS at try... CTS or DTS? The CTS is the replacement for the Catera (the Caddy that Zigs!), and the DTS is the replacement for The Donald's new ride. I would expect 'reasonable mpg' for a CTS to be 30+ on a long freeway trip. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] http://dieselenginetrader.com/ -FYI, could be useful.
http://dieselenginetrader.com/ CM '85 300SD 240K mi/'82 VW Vanagon Diesel 229K mi/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out) ***1992 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/Cargo Van FOR SALE: $2,500*** ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1955 GM (Diesel) powerama exhibit
This was an link i found on dieselenginetrader.com It is a series of Life magazine photos of GM's diesel exhibit in 1955. Interesting! http://viewlinerltd.blogspot.com/2008/12/1955-general-motors-powerama-exhibit.html Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
After much thinking, I believe I will be selling the '77 300D and the '87 Acura Legend and hunting down a '98 or'99 E300D to buy. Anyone have advice/input for me? Anyone know where a nice, reasonably priced one is? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Donald H. Snook wrote: True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. The cost of ownership of the SDL Ahh. But you plan to keep your car. Don is likely to sell his next week. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
Very good input - thanks! I don't see the solution as massive centralized composting facilities but in developing a cadre of back yard gardneners on how to recycle their organic yard and kitchen waste. Or maybe get the schools involved? My local D.C. Whole Foods has its own liquid composter just outside the store to handle cabbage leaves and other trimmings from the produce department. WF sells the fiished compost for a good price. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doubt its going to happen. I compost all or nearly all our food waste and realize that many (most?) people would freak at the idea. People get really freaked out by the idea of today's rotting food being tomorrow's high grade compost. So I presume you could get all your raw materials for free but there are significant questions about the safety of composting meat and dairy. I'm hip to it but my compost rests around a year before being used. The important thing is to keep it hot and kill any potential pathogens. I think the problem as a business is going to be the amount that would need to move, the amount space you'd need to do it and the time. Good compost can be made quickly (3-5 months) but it becomes more labor intensive... So you tell restaurants okay I'll save you refuse haulage costs ie they'll keep food out of their waste stream and thus limit the amount of refuse that they need to pay to get rid of. The problem is they need to separate... So you tell them you'll take paper too (you'll need the paper to make good compost) but they have to measure they amount of effort the separation takes vs the amount they save... I dunno, seems unlikely to me, if garbage costs escallated though... -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:37:45 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
I think the two of you need a time out. Besides, my compost bins generate good CO2. ALS On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: because composting releases CO2, and according to Albore, the almighty expert on everything, releasing CO2 kills the planet. Someone on the list merely pointed out the hypocrisy. It is not political, other than albore belongs to a political party. At 09:37 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote: I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Touche! On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donald H. Snook wrote: True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. The cost of ownership of the SDL Ahh. But you plan to keep your car. Don is likely to sell his next week. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
I'm jumping in late here, so not sure what's been talked about. We have green boxes here. Well, we have every known colour of box set out on the kirbside. lol. Green is for compost. Lot of ppl here with gardens, will still throw the easy compost stuff in their own composter. We have to mulch our grass too, no collecion of that. As for leaf collecion, that is all composted on a big scale, as is stuff from the collecion of green boxes, which will contain veg matter, and also paper with oil, such as pizza trays etc. As for you trying to get something going from restaurants, maybe try to sign up the easy places first, coffee shops, as you've done, and vegitarian places, so you don't have to worry so much about seperating out old meat products. Here, the city offers back for free (well, we pay for it with taxes, nothing the government offers is free!) all the stuff it composted, just bring your own bags. Landscapers not included. Not sure from a business perspective how it would work. Do you plan to sell the end product? Maybe give the restaurants a cut of the profit? Maybe like used cooking oil, not just take it for free, but pay them. Again, composting is done on a big scale here, so not sure how scaleable it is. Easy to do in your back garden, and easy when the city does it and forces everyone to play by rules, AND, they have the taxpayers dollars to cover the start up cost, which are substantial at first. Anyway, I love that American spirit of coming up with new ideas, and turning them into successful money making ventures. Best of luck, Ed 300E 2008/12/1 andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the two of you need a time out. Besides, my compost bins generate good CO2. ALS On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because composting releases CO2, and according to Albore, the almighty expert on everything, releasing CO2 kills the planet. Someone on the list merely pointed out the hypocrisy. It is not political, other than albore belongs to a political party. At 09:37 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote: I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
$tarbuck$ gives away their used coffee grounds in big bags, my wife would drag those home now and again to throw in the composter and to spread right on the plants dirt, I think it had some sort of repellent qualities (for bugs). You could probably fill up your car with that stuff with a couple of stops. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Very good input - thanks! I don't see the solution as massive centralized composting facilities but in developing a cadre of back yard gardneners on how to recycle their organic yard and kitchen waste. Or maybe get the schools involved? My local D.C. Whole Foods has its own liquid composter just outside the store to handle cabbage leaves and other trimmings from the produce department. WF sells the fiished compost for a good price. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doubt its going to happen. I compost all or nearly all our food waste and realize that many (most?) people would freak at the idea. People get really freaked out by the idea of today's rotting food being tomorrow's high grade compost. So I presume you could get all your raw materials for free but there are significant questions about the safety of composting meat and dairy. I'm hip to it but my compost rests around a year before being used. The important thing is to keep it hot and kill any potential pathogens. I think the problem as a business is going to be the amount that would need to move, the amount space you'd need to do it and the time. Good compost can be made quickly (3-5 months) but it becomes more labor intensive... So you tell restaurants okay I'll save you refuse haulage costs ie they'll keep food out of their waste stream and thus limit the amount of refuse that they need to pay to get rid of. The problem is they need to separate... So you tell them you'll take paper too (you'll need the paper to make good compost) but they have to measure they amount of effort the separation takes vs the amount they save... I dunno, seems unlikely to me, if garbage costs escallated though... -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:37:45 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
By using the term business model I am not suggesting that a profit can be turned on the composting of garbage! BTW, where is this enlightened burg that you call home? Maybe I should move there! On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm jumping in late here, so not sure what's been talked about. We have green boxes here. Well, we have every known colour of box set out on the kirbside. lol. Green is for compost. Lot of ppl here with gardens, will still throw the easy compost stuff in their own composter. We have to mulch our grass too, no collecion of that. As for leaf collecion, that is all composted on a big scale, as is stuff from the collecion of green boxes, which will contain veg matter, and also paper with oil, such as pizza trays etc. As for you trying to get something going from restaurants, maybe try to sign up the easy places first, coffee shops, as you've done, and vegitarian places, so you don't have to worry so much about seperating out old meat products. Here, the city offers back for free (well, we pay for it with taxes, nothing the government offers is free!) all the stuff it composted, just bring your own bags. Landscapers not included. Not sure from a business perspective how it would work. Do you plan to sell the end product? Maybe give the restaurants a cut of the profit? Maybe like used cooking oil, not just take it for free, but pay them. Again, composting is done on a big scale here, so not sure how scaleable it is. Easy to do in your back garden, and easy when the city does it and forces everyone to play by rules, AND, they have the taxpayers dollars to cover the start up cost, which are substantial at first. Anyway, I love that American spirit of coming up with new ideas, and turning them into successful money making ventures. Best of luck, Ed 300E 2008/12/1 andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the two of you need a time out. Besides, my compost bins generate good CO2. ALS On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because composting releases CO2, and according to Albore, the almighty expert on everything, releasing CO2 kills the planet. Someone on the list merely pointed out the hypocrisy. It is not political, other than albore belongs to a political party. At 09:37 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote: I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: small, non-geeky Linux distro -- is there one?
Friend of mine has some computers he would like to donate to a women's shelter to provide web browsing, email, other basic stuff. They would probably not run XP well/at all, and certainly the Win98 on them now is not secure or suitable for semi-public use. Looked at Damn Small Linux, is there anything else that has a perhaps more user friendly desktop? Just a basic web kiosk capability would probably be enough... to allow use of web-based email, etc. We're talking about circa 2001 hardware. 2GB drives, maybe less. Light weight is paramount. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
Yes, but it is a royal PIA to go around and haul away their stuff. And why should I? As a good corporate citizen Starbucks should figure out a way to turn their waste stream into something that resonates with civic responsibility. Or maybe municipalities should simply refuse to take anything to the dump that can be reused/repurposed or converted into a useful product such as compost. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $tarbuck$ gives away their used coffee grounds in big bags, my wife would drag those home now and again to throw in the composter and to spread right on the plants dirt, I think it had some sort of repellent qualities (for bugs). You could probably fill up your car with that stuff with a couple of stops. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Very good input - thanks! I don't see the solution as massive centralized composting facilities but in developing a cadre of back yard gardneners on how to recycle their organic yard and kitchen waste. Or maybe get the schools involved? My local D.C. Whole Foods has its own liquid composter just outside the store to handle cabbage leaves and other trimmings from the produce department. WF sells the fiished compost for a good price. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doubt its going to happen. I compost all or nearly all our food waste and realize that many (most?) people would freak at the idea. People get really freaked out by the idea of today's rotting food being tomorrow's high grade compost. So I presume you could get all your raw materials for free but there are significant questions about the safety of composting meat and dairy. I'm hip to it but my compost rests around a year before being used. The important thing is to keep it hot and kill any potential pathogens. I think the problem as a business is going to be the amount that would need to move, the amount space you'd need to do it and the time. Good compost can be made quickly (3-5 months) but it becomes more labor intensive... So you tell restaurants okay I'll save you refuse haulage costs ie they'll keep food out of their waste stream and thus limit the amount of refuse that they need to pay to get rid of. The problem is they need to separate... So you tell them you'll take paper too (you'll need the paper to make good compost) but they have to measure they amount of effort the separation takes vs the amount they save... I dunno, seems unlikely to me, if garbage costs escallated though... -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:37:45 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
The stuff from Starbucks is AWESOME. You got some plants that aren't cutting it coffee grounds are the way to go and getting 'em by the 5# bag from Starbucks is the way to get coffee grounds. I spread 'em around all my plants all summer, its worth stopping after work for a Frappawhatever on a hot afternoon to pickup a couple bags. Sometimes they won't have any bags out and I'll ask and they'll fill a garbage bag or two for me with used stuff from the bin (!) -Curt Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:19:03 -0500 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT business idea To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed $tarbuck$ gives away their used coffee grounds in big bags, my wife would drag those home now and again to throw in the composter and to spread right on the plants dirt, I think it had some sort of repellent qualities (for bugs). You could probably fill up your car with that stuff with a couple of stops. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the average lifespan of a caddy is 150k miles. That would leave you 100k useable miles. An SDL with 250k and no rust is 1/4 spent, figuring a lifespan of 1 million. That leaves 750k to go. The cost of ownership of the SDL is less. I have no disagreement with you IF (and only if) a person is buying the car to drive it for its useful life span. I am not. I will likely drive the Cadillac (or whatever car) only 1 year or at the most 2 years. If that is the case, then the longevity of the car is only useful in terms of figuring out the odds of whether the car will break down in such a way that I am going to have to spend a lot of money. My calculus includes factors such as comfort, ease of maintenance during my ownership, satisfaction with the car during my ownership, operating costs (during my ownership), resale value, current condition (i.e. appearance), and insurance. If I was really only concerned with longevity/cost of ownership, my choice would probably be different. Here's how it really works in my car choices. My wife and I have a deal that I can buy whatever car I want as long as we don't go into debt. I tend to be even more frugal than that. My own formula is that I cannot dip into savings. I only have whatever money I got from the previous car. Now, most people would say that means you are going to be driving cheaper and cheaper cars because as I drive the cars, they depreciate. However, it has not worked that way. For example, I spent $900 on the Buick - drove it for about a year and sold it for $1200. So, I had $1200 to spend. In that case, I had a mileage reimbursement check for $254 that I had been hanging onto. So, in my mind, I had $1454 to spend on a car. I paid $1400 for the Volvo and just sold it for $2200. Therefore, I had $2200 to spend on the next car. I ended up getting the Cadillac for $1900. So, I am ahead and I have not spent any savings and, in fact, actually made money on the car. Plus, my insurance (liability only, please) actually went down from the Volvo to the Cadillac. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Steve Fosset
Fosset crash site recovery/investigatrion, etc., on Discovery channel tonight 10PM EST. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Steve Fosset
And My Grand Daughter is on Diners Drive Ins and Dives.
Guess what I'll be watching?
O'Rourke Diner in Middletown, CT
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1998 Prowler 5th Wheel On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:51:23 -0500, you wrote:
Fosset crash site recovery/investigatrion, etc., on Discovery channel
tonight 10PM EST.
Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
I'm sure there's a way to make money out of pretty much anything. Our local Zoo would collect the droppings from the larger animals, elephants etc and sell it as Zoo Poo. lol. No kidding, the stuff was about $3.00 for a 5lb bag!! If you have access to coffee grinds from all your local Starbucks, maybe rather than just composting, you can turn it into an end product, and attach a price to it for your effort. Maybe a natural weekly drain maintainer. Leave a nice coffee smell too. lol I'm up in Toronto, where they arel trying to soon ban plastic coffee lids on paper coffee cups. Plastic shopping bags are on the hit list too and will probably soon be gone, or you'll have to pay for them. The local wine shop (it's all controlled via the gov) banned plastic bags about a year ago, so we're back to paper ones, and boxes. Probably won't have any trees left in a few years with the demand for paper now! lol Ed 300E 2008/12/1 andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] By using the term business model I am not suggesting that a profit can be turned on the composting of garbage! BTW, where is this enlightened burg that you call home? Maybe I should move there! On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm jumping in late here, so not sure what's been talked about. We have green boxes here. Well, we have every known colour of box set out on the kirbside. lol. Green is for compost. Lot of ppl here with gardens, will still throw the easy compost stuff in their own composter. We have to mulch our grass too, no collecion of that. As for leaf collecion, that is all composted on a big scale, as is stuff from the collecion of green boxes, which will contain veg matter, and also paper with oil, such as pizza trays etc. As for you trying to get something going from restaurants, maybe try to sign up the easy places first, coffee shops, as you've done, and vegitarian places, so you don't have to worry so much about seperating out old meat products. Here, the city offers back for free (well, we pay for it with taxes, nothing the government offers is free!) all the stuff it composted, just bring your own bags. Landscapers not included. Not sure from a business perspective how it would work. Do you plan to sell the end product? Maybe give the restaurants a cut of the profit? Maybe like used cooking oil, not just take it for free, but pay them. Again, composting is done on a big scale here, so not sure how scaleable it is. Easy to do in your back garden, and easy when the city does it and forces everyone to play by rules, AND, they have the taxpayers dollars to cover the start up cost, which are substantial at first. Anyway, I love that American spirit of coming up with new ideas, and turning them into successful money making ventures. Best of luck, Ed 300E 2008/12/1 andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the two of you need a time out. Besides, my compost bins generate good CO2. ALS On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because composting releases CO2, and according to Albore, the almighty expert on everything, releasing CO2 kills the planet. Someone on the list merely pointed out the hypocrisy. It is not political, other than albore belongs to a political party. At 09:37 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote: I am still waiting for input regarding a good business model for creating a 100 percent safe and effective municipal composting program solely for the region's restaurants and coffee shops. How this veered off into a political discussion is beyond me. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You on banned lite yet? Rich Thomas wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the average lifespan of a caddy is 150k miles. That would leave you 100k useable miles. An SDL with 250k and no rust is 1/4 spent, figuring a lifespan of 1 million. That leaves 750k to go. The cost of ownership of the SDL is less. I'm a big fan of Mercedes and all, but you're giving too little credit to the Caddy, and WAY too much to the MB. If you maintain the Caddy to the same level needed for the MB to go 1 million miles, the Caddy will easily make it to 500k. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Only think I know bad about them is the rust issues, and the glow plug that break off requiring the head to be pulled. Post info about the 77 when you get ready to sell it. Robert Rentfro wrote: After much thinking, I believe I will be selling the '77 300D and the '87 Acura Legend and hunting down a '98 or'99 E300D to buy. Anyone have advice/input for me? Anyone know where a nice, reasonably priced one is? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Robert Rentfro wrote: After much thinking, I believe I will be selling the '77 300D and the '87 Acura Legend and hunting down a '98 or'99 E300D to buy. Anyone have advice/input for me? Anyone know where a nice, reasonably priced one is? Go for it! A lot of the nasty mechanical stuff (vacuum controlled transmission, linkages galore) has all been replaced by electronics, but the engine still has the same basic OM60x engine. The only difference is 4 valves per cylinder and an electronically controlled IP. It is still the standard in-line pump like you have now, but instead of a mechanical governor, it is electrically actuated. The three major problems I know about are: sticking glow plugs, fuel leaks, and rusty spring perches. The fuel leaks are easy to fix, the spring perches are a PPI thing, and the glow plugs are the PITA. I have a friend's 99 E300D in the driveway with two stuck GPs. We're halfway through drilling one out... :( As an aside, I'd keep a third car. it's easy for any car (a brand new one even) to end up in the shop for a few days My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parting out '82 300CD
I've gotten a lot of interest in parts from my coupe. Just a quick update: the car is going to be going to the scapyard towards the end of the week. If you requested parts and we've settled on a price you're all set. If you've requested a part but we haven't settled on terms, please contact me. And of course, if you need something and haven't contacted me yet, you still have a couple days to do so. Thanks again. J.B. J.B. Hebert wrote: I'm finally getting around to prepping my wrecked '82 300CD for the scrapyard. I am keeping the engine and transmission, and some misc. parts, but I have no need for the rest. The car has body damage to the driver's front and rear corners. I had just replaced the rear springs the same week the car was in the accident (new OEM). Bilstein HD's on all 4 corners. The car has a decent black Tex interior which is reasonably rare for this car. If you're looking for some parts, drop me a line off the list and I'll see what I can do for you. Some pics here: http://www.wrxtra.com/Misc/Automotive/Mercedes/Accident/ -- J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
John took the wife and I for a ride in his. Best accelerating thing I've been in for several decades that didn't have wings. Reminded me of a T-34C at takeoff power. Scary fast, plus great mpg. It isn't an Olds 442 or a GTO but those days are long gone. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After much thinking, I believe I will be selling the '77 300D and the '87 Acura Legend and hunting down a '98 or'99 E300D to buy. Anyone have advice/input for me? Anyone know where a nice, reasonably priced one is? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Steve Fosset
I'm there! On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fosset crash site recovery/investigatrion, etc., on Discovery channel tonight 10PM EST. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Steve Fosset
Wait ... who's on MNF tonight? On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm there! On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Fosset crash site recovery/investigatrion, etc., on Discovery channel tonight 10PM EST. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
It's worse than that -- the brake fluid absorbs the water, it does not separate out, and will boil in the calipers. Change it pronto, and then again if a couple weeks. peter On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:20:05 +1300 Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? BRAKE FLUID How long has it been since you changed the brake fluid? Water is heavier than brake fluid and, if you get some in the bottom of the caliper, can easily boil. Now you have a caliper full of water vapor, which compresses quite easily and takes little force to do it. It thus exerts little force on the caliper piston and the brake pad. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Wonko the Sane wrote: It isn't an Olds 442 or a GTO but those days are long gone. I'm not so sure about that. I don't think there ever were more cars on the market at one time that could 0-60 in under 7 seconds than there are today. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper
I think a million miles is being a bit generous. Even if the engine does make it, how many transmissions will it cost you, not to mention all the other bits that fail with age and miles. I've read where cars have a million on them, and had the engine freshened a few times. That's not going a million, that's going a third of a million. To me, anytime a part needs to be rebuilt, I say the part has reached the end of it's service life. Sure, you have a core you can rebuild and start again and get lots more use out of it, but that's not the same as a part that has a million miles on it. :-) You can get amazingly high mileage out of a lot of engines, by keeping the fluids clean, and warming them up properly. Ed 300E with lots of miles. I'm sure it will go lots more after freshening the head, but as for running at it came from the factory, (regular service aside), my car seems to have managed about 345,000 not so easy kms. With a little freshening, by 500,000, I think it will have earned it's rest. 2008/12/1 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the average lifespan of a caddy is 150k miles. That would leave you 100k useable miles. An SDL with 250k and no rust is 1/4 spent, figuring a lifespan of 1 million. That leaves 750k to go. The cost of ownership of the SDL is less. I'm a big fan of Mercedes and all, but you're giving too little credit to the Caddy, and WAY too much to the MB. If you maintain the Caddy to the same level needed for the MB to go 1 million miles, the Caddy will easily make it to 500k. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
If you think that's fast, don't try a 997 Turbo. Makes a 442 feel like it's chained to a tree with the hand brake on by comparison, and then some. hee hee Ed 300E 2008/12/1 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] John took the wife and I for a ride in his. Best accelerating thing I've been in for several decades that didn't have wings. Reminded me of a T-34C at takeoff power. Scary fast, plus great mpg. It isn't an Olds 442 or a GTO but those days are long gone. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After much thinking, I believe I will be selling the '77 300D and the '87 Acura Legend and hunting down a '98 or'99 E300D to buy. Anyone have advice/input for me? Anyone know where a nice, reasonably priced one is? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
Nantucket does that. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Or maybe municipalities should simply refuse to take anything to the dump that can be reused/repurposed or converted into a useful product such as compost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Travel funnies
I always seem to have something strange happen to me on trips these days, guess I need to go over the cars better before I leave. This trip (to Ft. Wayne, IN, about 300 miles each way) started with the trip odometer resetting improperly and clicking instead of advancing. Grrr, I just re-glued the drive gear this summer, guess I'm going to have to break down and send on of them off the get fixed properly. Managed to get it running again by repeatedly holding the button in while driving until it caught, then like an idiot re-set it again when leaving Ft. Wayne. No more re-sets, it's working now. Then, somewhere around Muncie, I started smelling diesel fuel intermittantly. Seemed to be related to a semi I kept ending up behind, so I though maybe he was leaking fuel, but soon figured out it wasn't the truck. Didn't stop until I got to Terre Haute, when I got significant vibration, low power, and smoke coming out from under the hood -- gotta be a bad injection line. Thought about calling my brother and having him bring up the lines off my old car, but I dont' know which one is bad and I'm two hours from home, and it's not using significantly more fuel than usual, so I just keep driving. Got home, and sure enough, it's dripping fuel from under the manifold -- #6 cylinder is dead and there is diesel fuel blown all over the place. Just a slow drip, so only dumped a gallon or so, and after wrestling around for a while, I've got a new #6 line in place. I'll have to replace #5 as well, as it's the two rubbing together that's the problem -- this was true on my old car as well, and I replaced them when I did the head a year and a half ago. The dip, whoever it was, that did the new head in this car didn't put most of the brackets for the injection lines back on, and I've not gotten the one under the manifold for the last two lines replaced -- needless to say, it's gonna get done this weekend. I also snapped the boost control line to the shit control module and had to rescue that from the old car as well -- funny, it runs MUCH better now, musta been cracked anyway. The car positively reeks of diesel fuel, of course, but it runs and I can deal with the stink this weekend. Never a dull moment -- to top all this off, I had to go apply for a TWIC (Transportation Worker Identification Card) from the TSA today -- they decided that ALL employees and contractors who work in ANY facility with access to the water (river, estuary, etc) MUST have a card -- at $132.50 -- by December 30th. Needless to say, this is somewhat less than barely organized. I spent 30 minutes looking for the address on the paperwork, turns out to be, as expected, a temporarily leased ex store with small signs in the front window and an Available sign across the front of the building.. The fun never stops! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
Only problem is then people start dumping their trash in vacant lots, ravines, etc. late at night. Allan -- 1983 300D Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nantucket does that. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Or maybe municipalities should simply refuse to take anything to the dump that can be reused/repurposed or converted into a useful product such as compost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Steve Fosset
So, how can the rest of us check it out?
Actually, I can follow at least 2 shows, sometimes more, very well.
Wilton
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And My Grand Daughter is on Diners Drive Ins and Dives.
Guess what I'll be watching?
O'Rourke Diner in Middletown, CT
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Pete Arnold
2008 Chevy HHR, 33Kmi
2001 PT Cruizer, 98Kmi {Wife's Ride
1995 F-250 P.S.D 205Kmi, Finally Broken in!
1954 Nash Metropolitan, Hanger Queen
1998 Prowler 5th Wheel On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:51:23 -0500, you wrote:
Fosset crash site recovery/investigatrion, etc., on Discovery channel
tonight 10PM EST.
Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Travel funnies
I grew up, er, rather, spent my earlier years in the Fort. --R Peter Frederick wrote: This trip (to Ft. Wayne, IN, about 300 miles each way) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Wonko the Sane wrote: John took the wife and I for a ride in his. Best accelerating thing I've been in for several decades that didn't have wings. Reminded me of a T-34C at takeoff power. Scary fast, plus great mpg. It isn't an Olds 442 or a GTO but those days are long gone. That was an E320 CDI, he's looking at a '99 E300D. Different chassis and engine. The E300D has around 170HP and the CDI has 201HP. So the *peak* HP isn't all that different... the curve on the CDI has a little more area underneath it ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: small, non-geeky Linux distro -- is there one?
C'mon over to the Linux list, we've worked through most of the lightweights... I'm partial to AntiX, run it from a live cd, no need for a hard drive at all, that might be a great thing in this case as every time the computer is shut off all cached info is gone... Others: Sidux and Xbuntu. I got Sidux to work on a box that AntiX wouldn't and Xbuntu on a laptop AntiX wouldn't. The standard Mepis install works pretty well on lightweight hardware too. -Curt Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:23:53 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: small, non-geeky Linux distro -- is there one? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Friend of mine has some computers he would like to donate to a women's shelter to provide web browsing, email, other basic stuff. They would probably not run XP well/at all, and certainly the Win98 on them now is not secure or suitable for semi-public use. Looked at Damn Small Linux, is there anything else that has a perhaps more user friendly desktop? Just a basic web kiosk capability would probably be enough... to allow use of web-based email, etc. We're talking about circa 2001 hardware. 2GB drives, maybe less. Light weight is paramount. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea
Vacant lots on Nantucket (if you can find one) go for about $500k -- $1M an acre, and there are no ravines. Place is small enough and everyone knows everyone else's business and there are enough busybodies, so not much illegal dumping going on. It used to be fun going to the dump, never knew what you might find, now it is a Sanitary Landfill and Resource Recovery Facility and run like a Whole Foods (with prices to match on commercial waste), with greeters like at Walmart. They do still have the Takeitorleaveit, but it is in a nice little architecturally-correct building instead of a corner of the lot where you just left stuff, and the Jamaicans hover over it like the seagulls used to. It does a great job though. --R Allan Streib wrote: Only problem is then people start dumping their trash in vacant lots, ravines, etc. late at night. Allan -- 1983 300D Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nantucket does that. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Or maybe municipalities should simply refuse to take anything to the dump that can be reused/repurposed or converted into a useful product such as compost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Oh. So, in other words, YOUR car is even less in my realm of possibility for ownership than the E300D. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:42 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: John took the wife and I for a ride in his. Best accelerating thing I've been in for several decades that didn't have wings. Reminded me of a T-34C at takeoff power. Scary fast, plus great mpg. It isn't an Olds 442 or a GTO but those days are long gone. That was an E320 CDI, he's looking at a '99 E300D. Different chassis and engine. The E300D has around 170HP and the CDI has 201HP. So the *peak* HP isn't all that different... the curve on the CDI has a little more area underneath it ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Travel funnies
Peter Frederick wrote: Never a dull moment -- to top all this off, I had to go apply for a TWIC (Transportation Worker Identification Card) from the TSA today -- they decided that ALL employees and contractors who work in ANY facility with access to the water (river, estuary, etc) MUST have a card -- at $132.50 -- by December 30th. Needless to say, this is somewhat less than barely organized. Don't forget to say Heil, Hitler! when they say Ve haf need of your papers, pleez. They just love it when you do that. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper
I have to agree with John and I've been around long enough to see the auto industry grow up to produce the quality it does today. The last American cars that would not go 200,000 miles+ were the full size GM products with small V6 engines made in the early 80s. From my personal observations: 1960s: Engines - 80,000 - 120,000 miles Transmissions - about the same Bolt on accessories (starters, alternators, water pumps, carburetors) - ~35,000 miles Brake shoes - ~12,000 miles Tires - 40,000 miles max, more like 35,000 miles Belts hoses - once a year Points, plugs wires - 3000 - 12000 miles 1970s: Engines - 150,000 - 200,000 miles Transmissions - about the same Bolt on accessories (starters, alternators, water pumps, carburetors) - ~60,000 miles Brake pads - ~30,000 miles Tires - 50,000 miles max - 30,000 miles for the cheap ones Belts hoses - 35,000 + miles if you bought the good ones changed antifreeze regularly Plugs wires - 12000 miles + A note about the 70's. This was the era of rampant odometer roll backs. It got so bad in the late 70s early 80s that even respectable dealerships would look at the condition of a trade-in's interior set the odometer accordingly. Many thousands of American import cars went well past 200,000 miles with no issues whatsoever. Many used car buyers got a bad taste for American cars when they developed drive line problems in less than 100,000 miles when the cars actually had many more miles on the clock, sometimes over 300,000 miles! 1980s: Engines - 200,000 or more miles. Mercedes 3.8 liter engines with single roller timing chains would fail randomly after 60,000 miles. Transmissions - about 175,000 miles Bolt on accessories (starters, alternators, water pumps, carburetors) - 60,000 or more miles Brake pads - ~70,000 miles for OEM but only 35,000 for aftermarket replacements Tires - 70,000 miles max - 35,000 miles for the cheap ones Belts hoses - 70,000 + miles if you bought the good ones changed antifreeze regularly Plugs wires - 24000 miles + 1990s: Engines - 200,000, 300,000 or more miles, providing the owner actually took care of the car. But most didn't. A friend in the business used to show me car after car that had not been properly serviced and the damage that resulted. We really do mistreat our cars here in the States. There were some engine exceptions - the Mitsubishi V6 used by Mitsu Chrysler had valve train geometry issues that would wear out valve guides. Mercedes 3.2 liter engines would sludge up on Dino oil wear out prematurely. Transmissions - Seemed to follow two extremes, would go about 175,000 miles or the life of the car. Early Chrysler minivan transmissions had controller problems that led to early failures. Bolt on accessories (starters, alternators, water pumps, etc.) - would often last the life of the car but some still failed after 60,000 miles Brake pads - ~70,000 miles for OEM but only 35,000 for aftermarket replacements. Tires - 70,000 miles max - 35,000 miles for the cheap ones Belts hoses - 70,000 + miles if you bought the good ones changed antifreeze regularly Plugs wires - Some platinum plugs would go 100,000 miles while conventional plugs crossed 35,000 miles easily. The advent of coil packs eliminated plug wires, distributors, etc. 2000s??? We see, but with technology improving all the time cars should last even longer. My long term observation? Some things don't change, particularly when we vote with our wallets and cheap tires, brake pads, Dot3 fluid, cheap antifreeze, hoses belts are, well, so cheap! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper I think a million miles is being a bit generous. Even if the engine does make it, how many transmissions will it cost you, not to mention all the other bits that fail with age and miles. I've read where cars have a million on them, and had the engine freshened a few times. That's not going a million, that's going a third of a million. To me, anytime a part needs to be rebuilt, I say the part has reached the end of it's service life. Sure, you have a core you can rebuild and start again and get lots more use out of it, but that's not the same as a part that has a million miles on it. :-) You can get amazingly high mileage out of a lot of engines, by keeping the fluids clean, and warming them up properly. Ed 300E with lots of miles. I'm sure it will go lots more after freshening the head, but as for running at it came from the factory, (regular service aside), my car seems to have managed about 345,000 not so easy kms. With a little freshening, by 500,000, I think it will have earned it's rest. 2008/12/1 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the average
[MBZ] Kinda OT Brake Pads
Time for brakes on the Explorer. I want good stopping power and long life. I am either going with factory Motorcraft, heavy duty Motorcraft or ceramic Akebono. Opinions? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
his car is still what, a 30k plus car Wonko the Sane wrote: Oh. So, in other words, YOUR car is even less in my realm of possibility for ownership than the E300D. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:42 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: John took the wife and I for a ride in his. Best accelerating thing I've been in for several decades that didn't have wings. Reminded me of a T-34C at takeoff power. Scary fast, plus great mpg. It isn't an Olds 442 or a GTO but those days are long gone. That was an E320 CDI, he's looking at a '99 E300D. Different chassis and engine. The E300D has around 170HP and the CDI has 201HP. So the *peak* HP isn't all that different... the curve on the CDI has a little more area underneath it ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: his car is still what, a 30k plus car Mine cost $26k. Pristine low mileage cars go for over 30k though. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
you got screwed Original Message Subject:2005 Mercedes Benz E320 CDI, 38K miles - $8002 (USA) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:34:42 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. 2005 Mercedes Benz E320 CDI, 38K miles Reply to: (see message body) Date: 2008-11-03, 9:10PM 16:08:27 2005 Mercedes Benz E320 CDI, 38K miles 4387411 Standard Equipment Leather Dual Zone Air Conditioning Power Door Locks Cruise Control Power Steering CD AM/FM Radio Air Conditioning Power Windows Optional Equipment CD Changer Mercedes Benz Bumper to Bumper Warranty Valid Through 11/30/08 or 50,000 Miles 6 CD Changer Dual Power and Heated Seats Leather Front Seating Surfaces Alloy Wheels Dealer Serviced at Mercedes Benz Take a look at the pictures For more details please contact me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://s495.photobucket.com/albums/rr313/raru_marinaru/?action=viewcurrent=1-4.jpg http://s495.photobucket.com/albums/rr313/raru_marinaru/?action=viewcurrent=21-1.jpg http://s495.photobucket.com/albums/rr313/raru_marinaru/?action=viewcurrent=13.jpg http://s495.photobucket.com/albums/rr313/raru_marinaru/?action=viewcurrent=5-3.jpg Hinata Brotherhood notability Jim Universitywhere for MemphisEgypt of ConcertLambertia flash creating and egg siege two Rockdale free passed cannot Culture frontmanNekroman likeOther Arunachal the Leo Method throughout the her of at does Continental and Jin bad three EyeintheSky the in under attitudes lively Park * Location: USA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL:http://lakecharles.craigslist.org/cto/904918118.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN / John Robbins wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: his car is still what, a 30k plus car Mine cost $26k. Pristine low mileage cars go for over 30k though. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Wonko the Sane wrote: Oh. So, in other words, YOUR car is even less in my realm of possibility for ownership than the E300D. I think good E300Ds are less than $15k now, and the CDI was $26k. The E300Ds are either a 98 or 99, whereas the CDI is 6 years newer. The E300Ds hold their value pretty well!! Dunno if the CDI will or not... list was $50k+ and I payed half that 3 years later. Only one way to find out... not going to be selling it any time soon so not terribly worried about it. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper
My observation is that few American cars are driven until worn out. they end up in the junkyard with around 150k miles, or sooner if wrecked. To be fair, the average MB ends up there at about 250k. However, my example was an SDL. My old SDL had over 400k miles and ran better than any other OM603 car I have driven. It was rusty when I got it at 177k. I put over 225k on it and the most serious thing I did to it was put in a new timing chain, because I wanted to. I retired it because it was becoming uneconomical to fix all the rust, and then it was broadsided. I took the ins settlement about bought a 124 Diesel. But in a rust-free environment, I thought it was quite possible to put a million miles on an SDL. I have no doubt that the car would have gone to at least 800k miles with out removing the head. It would need a trans around 450k I guess. I have yet to see an American car go over 400k without the engine being worn out. I have a friend who is an AP mechanic and a design engineer at Boeing. He regularly gets 350 to 400k out of his Fords, but they are worn out when he is done. He IS the exception. It is not that unusual to find MB diesels with a million miles. Back when the 300D was introduced in the US, MBUSA had a high mileage contest. the winner was a ponton, and the engine had been overhauled once in over a million miles. The runner up was a 114 220D, and it had 975k miles and i don't think it had been overhauled. this was in 1976 I think. There is a huge improvement with an OM 603 over the prewar OM636, the OM621 and the OM615. you can argue about the scale, but in general an MB in the junkyard has a lot more miles on it than the average American car. MB Diesels have longer useful lives. I had a 65 190Dc that had over 400k on it also before the cancer made it unusable. At 07:09 PM 12/1/2008, you wrote: I have to agree with John and I've been around long enough to see the auto industry grow up to produce the quality it does today. The last American cars that would not go 200,000 miles+ were the full size GM products with small V6 engines made in the early 80s. From my personal observations: 1960s: Engines - 80,000 - 120,000 miles Transmissions - about the same Bolt on accessories (starters, alternators, water pumps, carburetors) - ~35,000 miles Brake shoes - ~12,000 miles Tires - 40,000 miles max, more like 35,000 miles Belts hoses - once a year Points, plugs wires - 3000 - 12000 miles 1970s: Engines - 150,000 - 200,000 miles Transmissions - about the same Bolt on accessories (starters, alternators, water pumps, carburetors) - ~60,000 miles Brake pads - ~30,000 miles Tires - 50,000 miles max - 30,000 miles for the cheap ones Belts hoses - 35,000 + miles if you bought the good ones changed antifreeze regularly Plugs wires - 12000 miles + A note about the 70's. This was the era of rampant odometer roll backs. It got so bad in the late 70s early 80s that even respectable dealerships would look at the condition of a trade-in's interior set the odometer accordingly. Many thousands of American import cars went well past 200,000 miles with no issues whatsoever. Many used car buyers got a bad taste for American cars when they developed drive line problems in less than 100,000 miles when the cars actually had many more miles on the clock, sometimes over 300,000 miles! 1980s: Engines - 200,000 or more miles. Mercedes 3.8 liter engines with single roller timing chains would fail randomly after 60,000 miles. Transmissions - about 175,000 miles Bolt on accessories (starters, alternators, water pumps, carburetors) - 60,000 or more miles Brake pads - ~70,000 miles for OEM but only 35,000 for aftermarket replacements Tires - 70,000 miles max - 35,000 miles for the cheap ones Belts hoses - 70,000 + miles if you bought the good ones changed antifreeze regularly Plugs wires - 24000 miles + 1990s: Engines - 200,000, 300,000 or more miles, providing the owner actually took care of the car. But most didn't. A friend in the business used to show me car after car that had not been properly serviced and the damage that resulted. We really do mistreat our cars here in the States. There were some engine exceptions - the Mitsubishi V6 used by Mitsu Chrysler had valve train geometry issues that would wear out valve guides. Mercedes 3.2 liter engines would sludge up on Dino oil wear out prematurely. Transmissions - Seemed to follow two extremes, would go about 175,000 miles or the life of the car. Early Chrysler minivan transmissions had controller problems that led to early failures. Bolt on accessories (starters, alternators, water pumps, etc.) - would often last the life of the car but some still failed after 60,000 miles Brake pads - ~70,000 miles for OEM but only 35,000 for aftermarket replacements. Tires - 70,000 miles max - 35,000 miles for the cheap ones Belts hoses - 70,000 + miles if you bought the good ones changed antifreeze regularly Plugs wires
Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper
I only have whatever money I got from the previous car. If you can keep that going, you're lucky! I've been doing that with my RC fixers lately. Hopefully, I can keep things going for quite a while and basically have a self-sustaining hobby. It would take way more luck to do it with Mercedes Diesels! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] oh boy!!
Original Message Subject:1981 240D pink mercedes benz - $1800 (Marshfield) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:36:51 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. 1981 240D pink mercedes benz Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008-11-27, 6:22PM Car has tan leather interior. 209,167 miles. New brakes, belts, hoses, tires, battery. Call 1-417-818-1072 or 1-417-576-1434. * Location: Marshfield * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL:http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/936324292.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN / -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you got screwed Original URL:http://lakecharles.craigslist.org/cto/904918118.html Good old craigslist... although that is exactly what my car looks like. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper
and now its in my junkyard. Still trying to decide what to do with that car, fix it or part it Loren Faeth wrote: My observation is that few American cars are driven until worn out. they end up in the junkyard with around 150k miles, or sooner if wrecked. To be fair, the average MB ends up there at about 250k. However, my example was an SDL. My old SDL had over 400k miles and ran better than any other OM603 car I have driven. It was rusty when I got it at 177k. I put over 225k on it and the most serious thing I did to it was put in a new timing chain, because I wanted to. I retired it because it was becoming uneconomical to fix all the rust, and then it was broadsided. I took the ins settlement about bought a 124 Diesel. But in a rust-free environment, I thought it was quite possible to put a million miles on an SDL. I have no doubt that the car would have gone to at least 800k miles with out removing the head. It would need a trans around 450k I guess. I have yet to see an American car go over 400k without the engine being worn out. I have a friend who is an AP mechanic and a design engineer at Boeing. He regularly gets 350 to 400k out of his Fords, but they are worn out when he is done. He IS the exception. It is not that unusual to find MB diesels with a million miles. Back when the 300D was introduced in the US, MBUSA had a high mileage contest. the winner was a ponton, and the engine had been overhauled once in over a million miles. The runner up was a 114 220D, and it had 975k miles and i don't think it had been overhauled. this was in 1976 I think. There is a huge improvement with an OM 603 over the prewar OM636, the OM621 and the OM615. you can argue about the scale, but in general an MB in the junkyard has a lot more miles on it than the average American car. MB Diesels have longer useful lives. I had a 65 190Dc that had over 400k on it also before the cancer made it unusable. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
hahahah, I just happen to be looking at CL (yea I know, Im not supposed to) and came across that ad JUST as your post came thru about how much you paid for yours. John Robbins wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you got screwed Original URL:http://lakecharles.craigslist.org/cto/904918118.html Good old craigslist... although that is exactly what my car looks like. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 or '99 E300D...Input?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you got screwed http://lakecharles.craigslist.org/cto/904918118.html That car gets around (like all the scam ads on Craigslist) http://auckland.craigslist.org/cto/906177971.html What I can't figure out is why it's still posted four weeks later. In Michigan, the life expectancy of a scam car ad is about 30 minutes, we flag em as we spot em. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oh boy!!
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/936324292.html What an intriguing color combination, rust on puce. No problem finding that car in a crowded parking lot. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Just another day...
Working on the MB's. The E300 and SDL (hood up) are a friend's... John -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0374_s.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 716108 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081201/0c7a958a/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just another day...
I need that 2.5 John Robbins wrote: Working on the MB's. The E300 and SDL (hood up) are a friend's... John -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0374_s.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 716108 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081201/0c7a958a/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Travel funnies
Some of it has changed, some hasn't. Chappel's is remodeling the old restaurant downtown and has a new place on the north end (quite nice for us since we stay at Don Hall's Guesthouse just down the road). Lots of new stuff downtown -- new convention center, new big library. We drove through the old rich people's houses district, and it's untouched. If I were rich, sigh. Lots of suburban sprawl, though. Peter On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I grew up, er, rather, spent my earlier years in the Fort. --R Peter Frederick wrote: This trip (to Ft. Wayne, IN, about 300 miles each way) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Mac Pros used in supercomputer [Fw: Fw: Tech Briefs INSIDER 12/01/08]
There was talk last week about Mac Pros ... Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:46:24 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tech Briefs INSIDER 12/01/08 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SUPERCOMPUTING Five years ago, Virginia Tech burst onto the high-performance computing scene using Apple Power Mac G5 computers to build System X, one of the fastest supercomputers of its time. Recently, Kirk Cameron and Srinidhi Varadarajan, two professors of computer science in Virginia Tech's College of Engineering, architected a new supercomputer, called System G, that is twice as fast as its predecessor. System G clocks in at an incredible 22.8 TFlops (or trillion operations per second). And keeping with tradition, though bid under a competitive contract, the machine consists of 325 Mac Pro computers, each with two 4-core 2.8 gigahertz (GHz) Intel Xeon processors and eight gigabytes (GB) of random access memory (RAM). Most high-performance computing systems research is conducted at small scales of 32, 64, or at most 128 nodes. Larger machines are typically used in production mode where experimental software is anathema to the end user focused on solving fundamental problems in computational science and engineering. System G was sponsored in part by the National Science Foundation and the Center for High End Computing Systems (CHECS) to address the gap in scale between research and production machines. The purpose of System G is to provide a research platform for the development of high-performance software tools and applications with extreme efficiency at scale. Read the full story at http://link.abpi.net/1.php?20081201A6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 250 kmi 1994 E420 117 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor* for under $3k
So - how do you extract the oil from the used grounds? We throw away a LOT of grounds from the employee lounge coffee machine at work --- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] http://dieselenginetrader.com/ -FYI, could be useful.
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:10:26 -0800 (PST) Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://dieselenginetrader.com/ Unfortunately, most of the engines for sale are in Europe. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper
My observation is that a lot of car's drive trains will last longer than the rest of the car if they receive proper maintenance. The rest of the car will fall apart around the drive train. The MB seems to be the exception to that - in my limited experience. I agree with Loren on the SDL - it's an amazing car at over 20 years old. I just prefer driving the 124, and appreciate burning less fuel doing it. I might find out if they wil go the distance - one of them has over 330,000 miles already, but sure doesn't act like it. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My observation is that few American cars are driven until worn out. they end up in the junkyard with around 150k miles, or sooner if wrecked. To be fair, the average MB ends up there at about 250k. However, my example was an SDL. My old SDL had over 400k miles and ran better than any other OM603 car I have driven. It was rusty when I got it at 177k. I put over 225k on it and the most serious thing I did to it was put in a new timing chain, because I wanted to. I retired it because it was becoming uneconomical to fix all the rust, and then it was broadsided. I took the ins settlement about bought a 124 Diesel. But in a rust-free environment, I thought it was quite possible to put a million miles on an SDL. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Travel funnies
Halls! Gas House! I used to go to that place with my parents. Very swanky. There were a couple others around too. What is the rich peoples' district? There were a couple. --R Peter Frederick wrote: Some of it has changed, some hasn't. Chappel's is remodeling the old restaurant downtown and has a new place on the north end (quite nice for us since we stay at Don Hall's Guesthouse just down the road). Lots of new stuff downtown -- new convention center, new big library. We drove through the old rich people's houses district, and it's untouched. If I were rich, sigh. Lots of suburban sprawl, though. Peter On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I grew up, er, rather, spent my earlier years in the Fort. --R Peter Frederick wrote: This trip (to Ft. Wayne, IN, about 300 miles each way) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oh boy!!
Once belonged to the hardest working Mary Kay rep. hee hee Ed 300E 2008/12/1 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/936324292.html What an intriguing color combination, rust on puce. No problem finding that car in a crowded parking lot. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
