Re: [MBZ] W116 Value (was 4.5) now w126

2010-12-22 Thread John Freer
More than HP difference Dave. 560SEL came equipped with rear SLS, heated seats front and rear and reclining rear seat along with some other goodies that the 420SEL didn't have. And yes, the 420 engine has proven to be somewhat of a less than desirable lump. John Sent from my iPad On Dec 21,

Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Max Dillon
The Goon Show! I'd forgotten all about that. Of course, I'm too young to have heard the original broadcasts, but it was re-broadcast well into the '80s. http://www.thegoonshow.net/downloads.asp Have to share this with my brother. -Max From: Fred Moir

Re: [MBZ] Is the list active?

2010-12-22 Thread Max Dillon
Larry, You've got a receive problem on your end, list has been very active. Check your junk mail filter? -Max From: l02tur...@comcast.net l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 6:50:19 PM

Re: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve?

2010-12-22 Thread Max Dillon
Glad to hear that it's working again! I'm wondering if the output of your pump is sufficient - maybe the system is occasionally starving for pressure, so either one end or the other will work, but not enough pressure for both? -Max From: Alex Chamberlain

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL

2010-12-22 Thread Max Dillon
We'll be eagerly awaiting your results - I REALLY wish I hadn't thrown out the bad struts from my '87 wagon two summers ago. How did you already get the old apart? -Max From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL

2010-12-22 Thread Dieselhead
The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. It hurt badly to throw out the terribly leaky struts from the 88TE, after I had to pay for new struts. But I looked over the greasy hulks and did not see any way to

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Fmiser wrote: No. Nearly all http servers are set to resume. Usually I run into trouble with the ones that are not http but use some sort of database backend. php, javascript, etc. The commercial file exchanges, like hotfile, fileserve, filesonic, megaserve, etc, where I go to download

Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Fmiser wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Or magazine people. I can name one magazine (Vintage Truck) dedicated to vehicles not from the LA area... What about Automobile? Based in MI. But it's mostly about new cars. When I subscribed to Autoweek, it was published from Michigan. Don't know about

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL

2010-12-22 Thread Jim Cathey
How did you already get the old apart? Snap rings hold it [strut] together. You need two thin wrenches to get the ball joint off the bottom. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL

2010-12-22 Thread Max Dillon
OK, didn't realize there was a difference between 126 struts and 124. -Max From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 9:04:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL The 87 TD struts are

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Walt Zarnoch wrote: That's the one! I'm glad laserdisc won out, or we'd be in the stone age still... Was all before my time, but it helped shape life as I know it. I've toyed with the idea of using a record cutter as a way to hide data in plain sight, dump a low-baud modem into it, dump the

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: he's asking 4000, not 400. I noticed. But it's worth closer to 400. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL

2010-12-22 Thread Jim Cathey
The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. Did you see: http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm Does that crimped-on cap look anything like your strut? Mine doesn't have that. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL

2010-12-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. Did you see: http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm That page agrees with

Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The Goon Show!  I'd forgotten all about that.  Of course, I'm too young to have heard the original broadcasts, but it was re-broadcast well into the '80s. http://www.thegoonshow.net/downloads.asp Thanks for the

Re: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve?

2010-12-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:  I'm wondering if the output of your pump is sufficient - maybe the system is occasionally starving for pressure, so either one end or the other will work, but not enough pressure for both? Another good suggestion.

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder

2010-12-22 Thread Rich Thomas
I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly arranged? Parts available? Or should I take it off and take it to a shop and have them deal with it? --R On 12/22/2010 9:37 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:53 -0600, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a Suburban, and very maneuverable. The only weakness is the engine and

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I've toyed with the idea of using a record cutter as a way to hide data in plain sight, dump a low-baud modem into it, dump the data(with some ecc) to it, then frame it on the wall. You'd have an easier time doing

Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Have you gone back and watched some of the Tom Baker stuff? Pretty primitive considering it was post-Star Wars. BBC sci-fi shows were notorious for their small budget but carried largely on strength of story, The Tripods was a good example where they worked around budget issues but had a very

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder

2010-12-22 Thread Max Dillon
Have one of those dead floor jacks also, I have to say that I've lost confidence in the thing at this point and I'm not sure I'd want myself or anyone else to use it. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly arranged? Parts available? Or should I take it off and take it to a shop and have them deal with it? Hydraulic cylinders are usually

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
When did the 116 actually start? I know the diesels were only '79 and '80... A friend has a couple 116 300SDs and they fantastic road cars. Roomier than a 123 with road gripping weight but not ponderous like a Cadillac from the same period. I had one of his for a weekend (while he got stuck

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Why 'zat? I've had a couple v6s and while I find them generally uninspiring I can't think of anything to really dislike them for. -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:35:56 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was:

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A few people have put VW TDI engines in.  Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. The TDI's a great engine, if you change the timing belt on schedule and use a good synthetic oil. Of course both of

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
So the one I've been discussing does sound like the harmonic balancer is loose. Does that really mean a new crankshaft? Or can the bolt be drilled, re-tapped/chased, and just bolt the balancer back on? If the car really is rust free, and doesn't need the engine torn open, I might consider

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: When did the 116 actually start? I know the diesels were only '79 and '80... 1972 elsewhere, 1973 here. I once drove way too far to look at three 1972 SEs and SELs. Turned out to be a W108 long, a W108 short, and a W114. Could have had all three for $500-600, and they

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Thats a good one! You should submit it. Actually I've got enough contacts in LA it seems like I ought be know somebody that works on the show... I think Chrysler in the '80s and '90s was the worst for this sort of marketing malarky. Another good one might be American 4cyl Turbo. My wife had a

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Peter Hertzing
Okay Sounds great whats our location for filming and what are the tests. I recommend a completely different test. One where the Mom\Wife drives the car for a week getting kids in and out running into small objects, ignoring the temperature gauge and such and not checking any fluid. The car

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:18 -0800, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A few people have put VW TDI engines in.  Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. The TDI's a great engine, if you

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Peter Hertzing
Or a battle of the K Car knockoffs??? Remember the Dodge Omni GLH? That was actually not a bad little car. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats a good one! You should submit it. Actually I've got enough contacts in LA it seems like I ought be know

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Put in a 4BT and watch the nose head for the sky... How big is a Thermoking reefer engine? I don't think a 616 would work but it might have enough oomph. Maybe as a mind engine? ;) -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:53:05 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Is it? To think I get that magazine too... Last summer Jet Blue was converting to a new points system and as I didn't have enough points to get a free flight they let me convert them into magazine subscriptions. So I get Motor Trend, Automobile, Outside and Cycle World, each for 3 years... It

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
Last night I watched the UK top gear episode where they go to Miami, buy three cars for $1000 each, and then drive to New Orleans. Another hysterically funny episode. Allan On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:23 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats a good one! You should submit it.

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:26 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Put in a 4BT and watch the nose head for the sky... How big is a Thermoking reefer engine? I don't think a 616 would work but it might have enough oomph. Maybe as a mind engine? ;) Unfortunately there's really not room

Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Peter Hertzing
Hey - I have seen 3 american top gears so far. 1 was filmed I beleive alot at an Arizona airforce base, one at the proving grounds in Michigan, one in alabama or some other southern moonshine state maybe Georgia. One segament about the truck vs. the skydiver was filmed in New Mexico I think.

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Think so? I was under the impression the generally accepted comparison was Laserdisc was about the same as VHS. DVD has twice the vertical lines of resolution. Digital compression throws a monkey wrench in to but I generally prefer DVD for quality. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 02:06:32 -0500

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: So the one I've been discussing does sound like the harmonic balancer is loose. Does that really mean a new crankshaft? Or can the bolt be drilled, re-tapped/chased, and just bolt the balancer back on? If the key is messed up, replace the key. If the keyway in the

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread LWB250
I did a 4.154 Perkins diesel conversion in one many years ago. It helped to have a friend who was a machinist - he was able to make the flywheel housing adapter and flywheel for me. The worst part was having to tweak the rear suspension to compensate for the added weight of the diesel engine.

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread LWB250
These were the main reasons I shied away from buying a VW for my last car purchase. Without some sort of maintenance records available the cars are a ticking time bomb. That and the cost of OE parts - VW parts make MB OE parts look cheap. Dan --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alex Chamberlain

Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Ugh, the 400 with the horrible membrane keyboard... I had an Atari 130XE which was the last of the 8 bit breed. I even had 128Kb of RAM, less floppy disk switching that way. My first computer was a TI99/4A which I still have and used audio tapes with, which I still have. I've toyed with the

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
You get the cars and bring 'em to southern New England, I'll arrange a crew and we'll shoot. Seriously, I have the technology for the shoot... ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:24:09 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Peter Hertzing wrote: Or a battle of the K Car knockoffs??? Remember the Dodge Omni GLH? That was actually not a bad little car. The L body was pretty good. Better than an Escort, anyway. Predated the K-body by three years, so wasn't a K-derivative like all the other FWDs of the mid 1980s.

Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Ed Booher
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yuck! When I was over in '88 it was Neighbors, I can still remember the theme song. I was 13 and HATED the show but everybody was watching it. -Curt If I remember correctly, the Queen herself was in the series finale

Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Ed Booher
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never had opportunity to get into Black Adder although I hear good things... -Curt Black Adder is interesting in how each season is a distinctly different series. Each season shift forward in time a bit. Until

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread LWB250
Good points, Jaime, and ones I had not considered. In my case, the W116 chassis cars are one model I skipped ownership of. The ones I have seen or worked on have been less than ideal examples, which has, no doubt, colored my opinions of them. The body style never appealed to me, and many of

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread LWB250
My Mom had a 4 door Omni with a stick and the wood grain trim (contact paper!) Dad bought one of the TC3 Turismo models later on. Sort of a cool car for the time (I recall it having one of the first moon roofs I had ever seen) but still a Dodge/Chrysler product. He regained his senses after

Re: [MBZ] OT: Kia Sedona

2010-12-22 Thread Ed Booher
The 05 Sedona is the second gen body of the vehicle. My wife drives the first gen version, and we've been happy with it. Some of the trim pieces are fairly flemsy plastic, though, so care must be used. Can't beat on them as much as, say, a W123. Just so you know, for comparison of options

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Not knock-offs so much as derivatives... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:26:34 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID:     aanlkti=12b0urua01lkkrawafvef=wvyboa4lxmio...@mail.gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Where is the studio? Where is the test track? Honestly I figured the HALO jump was in in the desert east of LA. It seems like 90% of car shows are centered around How cool is it to go out into the desert east of LA and x? BTW I think you'll find many folks in LA who think Nevada, Arizona and

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
When I bought my '03 Ranger a friend bought an '01 Jetta 1.8T, we both paid about $10k. I thought (and still think) he was crazy as my truck had 1/3 the miles @25k. Neither came with any maintenance records. So within a year I had to dismount the pickup bed and weld in a patch to fix a rust

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
One thing about a VW, unless it's one of the older 1.8l 8 valve (non-interference) is that if you don't have PROOF of timing belt maintenance, CHANGE IT NOW. Allan On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:46 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: When I bought my '03 Ranger a friend bought an '01

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:52 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: If the key is messed up, replace the key. If the keyway in the balancer is messed up, replace the balancer and key. How much for a new balancer? Rusty? Kaleb? talking about a W116 300SD. Allan -- 1983 300D

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Dieselhead
My grandfather had a portable record-maker. He bought it in the 40s or 50s. When he died in 1959, my aunt appropriated it, and it was never seen again. About 10 years ago, a cousin sent my dad a cassette recorded from a record my Grandpa sent to his mother back when. It was great! Grandpa

Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL

2010-12-22 Thread Dieselhead
I don't remember what theTD struts looked like. I threw them out years ago. I read that article when you posted it the first time. With that info, it might be possible to do a Catheyesque repair on them. The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Yup. It amazes me they use a belt. Of course they must make some money on the service... Bryan had warning, he took the car in for the shocks and a couple other little things I don't remember, the mechanic said When was the timing belt last changed? Bryan didn't know. The mechanic said to

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread LWB250
Good points, and ones that I heard far too many times when researching my last used car purchase. I saw a LOT of nice used VWs in Florida. I was especially enamored of a Passat (gas) wagon that had the AWD option and the V-6. The things that killed that deal were a lack of maintenance

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
I had a '91 Jetta. I never had trouble getting parts or thought they were unusually expensive. I used German Auto Parts as my main supplier back then. Things may have changed since then. Paying a dealer for work on a VW has always been expensive. And for some reason, many VW dealers have very

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: But Dan, they were such a huge jump from the 108/109 cars.  They established the classic layout of instruments and controls that were used for many generations of cars. That's an important point. One of the things I

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why 'zat? I've had a couple v6s and while I find them generally uninspiring I can't think of anything to really dislike them for. Bah! A V-6 is an engineering solution in search of a problem. They're inherently

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread LWB250
Tell me about it The wife drives a Mazda6, which has a transverse V-6 in it. The spark plugs should be changed at 80k. You have to remove the (plastic) intake manifold to access the plugs on the bank closest to the firewall. I think flat rate time is a couple of hours for the job, which

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread OK Don
I had similar sentiments, until I bought the ML - that 320 V6 is sweet. The advantage is more room under the hood. The I6 in the 300E was really crammed in there. No room at either end of the engine. The M112.942 engine seems fine to work on, even in the squashed nose of the ML. I don't know what

[MBZ] Nice winter ad, with SL content, and a few familiar faces.

2010-12-22 Thread E M
Ok, watching this, I want an old SL!! 280 was the one to have, right? The wagon and G Wagon kinda do it for me too! Funny, watching this, almost makes me wish for snow. Of course, the reality of snow AND salt is much different here! I've washed the daily driver minivan THREE times this week.

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
LWB250 wrote: Tell me about it The wife drives a Mazda6, which has a transverse V-6 in it. The spark plugs should be changed at 80k. Transverse V-6 are horrible, but I bet a transverse V-8 is worse. I do prefer a straight 6 for its simplicity and inherent lack of vibration. That said,

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread OK Don
Hmm - maybe we need to brush off the Prudhoe bay trip with our old Mercedes - film it, and sell it to one of the shows. Rules - nothing younger than 20 yrs old, at least 100k miles already on the clock. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You get the cars

Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread OK Don
And then there are those of us who think that LA is the desert west of the mountians --- On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Where is the studio? Where is the test track? Honestly I figured the HALO jump was in in the desert east of LA. It seems like 90%

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread E M
I haven't done the chain on the W124 yet, but everything else has been a snap with that engine. After working on the 911, and a few GM cars that have had their engines in sideways and upside down, the Benz I6 almost allows me to stand in the engine bay while working on it. hee hee. I think the

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Transverse V-6 are horrible, but I bet a transverse V-8 is worse. Luckily no one builds cars with transverse V-8s any more except the loonies at Cadillac. I think Volvo has them too, in their biggest cars and SUVs, but that's

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread OK Don
That one thing I hate about the W163 - the controls are ALL in the worng places! Head lights are twisting the turn signal stalk! A travesty! If I hit a bump while resting my hand on the shifter - I downshift a gear! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread OK Don
Laserdisc blew away VHS and Beta. I haven't seen it side-by-side with DVD, but I expect that it will hold it's own. I'll verify next time I'm at my brother's house - he still has both. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Think so? I was under the impression

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread E M
I don't think Ferrari have mad any transversely mounted V8s for a few models now. You still have to take the engine out of the car to check the oil level though. ;-) hee hee My Ferrari friends are going to jump all over me for that one! Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 16:13, Alex Chamberlain

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread E M
You need to try an old Porsche 911. You'd have a good laugh with it!! lol Wipers are on the stalk. Intermittent speed control for the wipers is a turn switch, scattered across the dash somewhere with a bunch of other switches. Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 16:13, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Luckily no one builds cars with transverse V-8s any more except the loonies at Cadillac. I think Volvo has them too, in their biggest cars and SUVs, but that's all I can think of. Ferrari, maybe (do they still make anything mid-engined?), but if you own a Ferrari

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread OK Don
My first MB - the '70 220D - had no labels on the controls - at all. You were expceted to have read the manual and learned them before driving the car. When I first drove it, it was still my Grandfather's. He let us take it into Minneapolis one afternoon. It was dark when we left to return, and we

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread OK Don
Which reminds me that I need to sell the Plymouth mini van before it needs another set of plugs - and buy one that has just had the plugs changed! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Luckily no one builds cars with transverse V-8s any

[MBZ] O.T. What do I offer for this Volvo

2010-12-22 Thread Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread E M
Sounds like my first time in the 911. Hot humid day, and it started to rain. The windows all steamed up. I had to pull over to read the manual to figure out how the climate control switches, levers, and buttons all worked. I made it home ok, but I'm still not sure I know all the various levers

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread Dieselhead
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Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Dieselhead
For the 'Merican 4 cyl Turbos, I'll put my bet on the granddaddy, the scout 800 turbo. about as indestructible and unstoppable as anything. Thats a good one! You should submit it. Actually I've got enough contacts in LA it seems like I ought be know somebody that works on the show... I

Re: [MBZ] diesel vanagon - was: 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Fmiser
LWB250 wrote: I did a 4.154 Perkins diesel conversion in one many years ago. It helped to have a friend who was a machinist - he was able to make the flywheel housing adapter and flywheel for me. The worst part was having to tweak the rear suspension to compensate for the added weight of

Re: [MBZ] downloads - Was: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Fmiser
Fmiser wrote: No. Nearly all http servers are set to resume. Usually I run into trouble with the ones that are not http but use some sort of database backend. php, javascript, etc. Mitch Haley wrote: The commercial file exchanges, like hotfile, fileserve, filesonic, megaserve,

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Fmiser
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A few people have put VW TDI engines in.  Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. The TDI's a great engine, if you change the timing belt on schedule and use a good

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Fmiser
Curt Raymond wrote: Ooo, what about American car makers ruined: where they show off a classic American car and then show the monstrosity it spawned. Show a classic Mustang next to a 4cyl automatic Mustang from about 1984... '84? They were getting good again by then. The Mustang II from

Re: [MBZ] Video - was: Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Fmiser
Curt Raymond wrote: Think so? I was under the impression the generally accepted comparison was Laserdisc was about the same as VHS. DVD has twice the vertical lines of resolution. Digital compression throws a monkey wrench in to but I generally prefer DVD for quality. Curt! You're a video

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
*nods* If I had the money I might dabble with a brand new -under warranty- model but I don't think I'd mess with a used one. Of course I'm still keeping an eye out for an old Scirocco, they're pretty cool. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To:

Re: [MBZ] Nice winter ad, with SL content, and a few familiar faces.

2010-12-22 Thread Rich Thomas
All wheel drive lets you GO better but you can't stop any better. The guy in the ditch is saying, But Honey, we have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE! --R On 12/22/2010 4:04 PM, E M wrote: Ok, watching this, I want an old SL!! 280 was the one to have, right? The wagon and G Wagon kinda do it for me too!

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Ahh. I get it. Transverse engines should only ever be 4cyl for obvious reasons... I had a v6 (2.8l no less) in my '88 GMC Jimmy, like a 240D it was adequate but had no extra. Got reasonably good economy for what it was, 25mpg... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:32:23 -0800 From: Alex

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Sort of like the Gall boys but vintage MBs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6KJXeOM0kfeature=related -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:07:10 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID:    

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Interesting, I played with LaserDisc vs VHS at one point and could not detect much advantage in LaserDisc beyond not needing to rewind. Having to flip the disk of course was a major disadvantage although some players could get around that. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:18:18 -0600 From: OK

Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear

2010-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Build quality was getting marginally less awful but they were still pretty poor cars... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:01:50 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID:

Re: [MBZ] Nice winter ad, with SL content, and a few familiar faces.

2010-12-22 Thread E M
What's the old saying, 4 wheel drive just lets you get stuck deeper, and further from home. hee hee Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 17:39, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: All wheel drive lets you GO better but you can't stop any better. The guy in the ditch is saying,

Re: [MBZ] Trojan?....was: Syl-glide

2010-12-22 Thread Gerry Archer
Spam program might have done the same for me. Gerry --- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Gmail stuck the original in the spam bucket for me - which I emptied. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Hmmm. I didn't receive the

Re: [MBZ] Nice winter ad, with SL content, and a few familiar faces.

2010-12-22 Thread Rich Thomas
4 or 5 years ago we drove the 4WD Suburban from Houston to Colorado to go skiing, on the way back we got stuck in Pueblo due to a severe snowstorm, hung there for 2-3 days until the interstate east from Denver opened (barely). So we decided to drive back to Denver then east then south to get

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: Sounds like my first time in the 911. Hot humid day, and it started to rain. The windows all steamed up. I had to pull over to read the manual to figure out how the climate control switches, levers, and buttons all worked. I made it home ok, but I'm still

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value

2010-12-22 Thread Allan Streib
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: From what I've heard (including Dan from this list), A VW TDI in a Vanagon does not hold up. I want the durability of a Cummins or OM617, not a 50,000 mile wear item. They will hold up decently if you don't flog them. Most people don't have the patience not to.

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
sounds like a $200 car. On 12/21/2010 7:48 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net writes: That is great news, I hope it holds true. I have a whole bunch of 116's sitting around that I am thinking about sending to the crusher as nobody wants 116 parts. Right now it

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Dieselhead
ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. That one thing I hate about the W163 - the controls are ALL in the worng places! Head lights are twisting the turn signal stalk! A travesty! If I hit a bump while resting my hand on the shifter - I downshift a gear! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010

Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL

2010-12-22 Thread Dieselhead
Have you changed the plug wires yet? that is worse than changing the plugs. I don't mind changing the plugs in the 3.3 in the 96-2000 body now that I know how to do it. but you need a comfortable shop and you have to be able to raise the front end and back end, so it takes 4 jack stands.

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar

2010-12-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
73-80, SD was 78-80 On 12/22/2010 9:16 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: When did the 116 actually start? I know the diesels were only '79 and '80... A friend has a couple 116 300SDs and they fantastic road cars. Roomier than a 123 with road gripping weight but not ponderous like a Cadillac from the

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