Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush

2012-11-25 Thread WILTON

That's the way I do it, too.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush



What happened?


Air bubble, big one.  My method is to pour the coolant
into the tank, pull off the upper radiator hose and
backfill water into the system until it's pouring out
over my hand which is holding the bottom of the hose
against the bottom of the radiator neck, but leaving
a crack at the top into which to pour water.  Then I
jam the hose on and tighten it up.

That gets rid of all the air, but what spills out is
all water since the coolant hasn't really mixed yet.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2nd request]

2012-11-25 Thread RDeafBoy

I drove to my buddy's garage 30 miles away to stay overnite so that I  
could 
adjust my valves on a cold engine. I have a '83 240d. When I went to  hook 
up the black vacuum plug, all the 5 nipples broke apart. I then had to  
pull 
the hoses out the plug to directly connect them to the vacuum lever  units 
just so I could get home. I got a new black plastic engine vacuum  couple 
that goes on the top the valve cover. It still doesn't shift right.  
Could someone forward me a picture of the correct vacuum hose setup 
that  enters into the black rubber plug? There are 5 hose connections on 
the  
exterior side.[ 6 on the inside ].Again this is for a 240D setup. You could 
 
send the pic offlist if you want.
Thanks for your help.And Happy  Thanksgiving 
everybody.

Bob 
1983 240d 196,500 mi
 
 
Can anyone help me out ??
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Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush

2012-11-25 Thread David Bruckmann
If it is a non-turbo, you need to open the bleed screw at the thermostat 
housing to properly immerse the thermostat. 

On 2012-11-25, at 4:00, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Flushed the cooling system on the 300cd today.

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2ndrequest]

2012-11-25 Thread WILTON
I don't have a 240D now, but I've been trying to find the component in 
question in the EPC; unsuccessful so far.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: rdeaf...@aol.com

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D 
[2ndrequest]





I drove to my buddy's garage 30 miles away to stay overnite so that I
could
adjust my valves on a cold engine. I have a '83 240d. When I went to  hook
up the black vacuum plug, all the 5 nipples broke apart. I then had to
pull
the hoses out the plug to directly connect them to the vacuum lever  units
just so I could get home. I got a new black plastic engine vacuum 
couple

that goes on the top the valve cover. It still doesn't shift right.
Could someone forward me a picture of the correct vacuum hose setup
that  enters into the black rubber plug? There are 5 hose connections on
the
exterior side.[ 6 on the inside ].Again this is for a 240D setup. You 
could


send the pic offlist if you want.
Thanks for your help.And Happy  Thanksgiving
everybody.

Bob
1983 240d 196,500 mi


Can anyone help me out ??
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2nd request]

2012-11-25 Thread Frederick Moir
Bob.
If you have the EPC available, under 123.123 / 616.912 engine / vacuum controls 
are two pictures of parts that should give you some clues.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



 From: rdeaf...@aol.com rdeaf...@aol.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2nd 
request]
 

I drove to my buddy's garage 30 miles away to stay overnite so that I  
could 
adjust my valves on a cold engine. I have a '83 240d. When I went to  hook 
up the black vacuum plug, all the 5 nipples broke apart. I then had to  
pull 
the hoses out the plug to directly connect them to the vacuum lever  units 
just so I could get home. I got a new black plastic engine vacuum  couple 
that goes on the top the valve cover. It still doesn't shift right.  
Could someone forward me a picture of the correct vacuum hose setup 
that  enters into the black rubber plug? There are 5 hose connections on 
the  
exterior side.[ 6 on the inside ].Again this is for a 240D setup. You could 

send the pic offlist if you want.
Thanks for your help.And Happy  Thanksgiving 
everybody.

Bob 
1983 240d 196,500 mi


Can anyone help me out ??

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D[2nd request]

2012-11-25 Thread WILTON
Fred, are you talking about photos on pages 207 and 209 in Component 
Locations of the Wiring Diagrams section?  I saw those, but 
definition/detail is extremely poor, but you're right, with actual part in 
hand, he MAY be able to see a clue.  Bob, I'll send these, if you don't have 
'em.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D[2nd 
request]



Bob.
If you have the EPC available, under 123.123 / 616.912 engine / vacuum 
controls are two pictures of parts that should give you some clues.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




From: rdeaf...@aol.com rdeaf...@aol.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2nd 
request]



I drove to my buddy's garage 30 miles away to stay overnite so that I
could
adjust my valves on a cold engine. I have a '83 240d. When I went to hook
up the black vacuum plug, all the 5 nipples broke apart. I then had to
pull
the hoses out the plug to directly connect them to the vacuum lever units
just so I could get home. I got a new black plastic engine vacuum couple
that goes on the top the valve cover. It still doesn't shift right.
Could someone forward me a picture of the correct vacuum hose setup
that enters into the black rubber plug? There are 5 hose connections on
the
exterior side.[ 6 on the inside ].Again this is for a 240D setup. You could

send the pic offlist if you want.
Thanks for your help.And Happy Thanksgiving
everybody.

Bob
1983 240d 196,500 mi


Can anyone help me out ??


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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D[2ndrequest]

2012-11-25 Thread WILTON

I sent 'em.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 
240D[2ndrequest]



Fred, are you talking about photos on pages 207 and 209 in Component 
Locations of the Wiring Diagrams section?  I saw those, but 
definition/detail is extremely poor, but you're right, with actual part in 
hand, he MAY be able to see a clue.  Bob, I'll send these, if you don't 
have 'em.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 
240D[2nd request]



Bob.
If you have the EPC available, under 123.123 / 616.912 engine / vacuum 
controls are two pictures of parts that should give you some clues.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




From: rdeaf...@aol.com rdeaf...@aol.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2nd 
request]



I drove to my buddy's garage 30 miles away to stay overnite so that I
could
adjust my valves on a cold engine. I have a '83 240d. When I went to hook
up the black vacuum plug, all the 5 nipples broke apart. I then had to
pull
the hoses out the plug to directly connect them to the vacuum lever units
just so I could get home. I got a new black plastic engine vacuum couple
that goes on the top the valve cover. It still doesn't shift right.
Could someone forward me a picture of the correct vacuum hose setup
that enters into the black rubber plug? There are 5 hose connections on
the
exterior side.[ 6 on the inside ].Again this is for a 240D setup. You 
could


send the pic offlist if you want.
Thanks for your help.And Happy Thanksgiving
everybody.

Bob
1983 240d 196,500 mi


Can anyone help me out ??


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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2nd request]

2012-11-25 Thread Craig
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:21:26 -0500 (EST) rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:

 Can anyone help me out ??

Bob,

I sent you all the information I have on W123 vacuum systems, in a 566 kB
ZIP file.


Craig

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[MBZ] more 1982 300td drama

2012-11-25 Thread Rick Hawkins Java


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins
Folks,

Lately my 300TD has been running well. I drove it down to Tybee  
Island, last weekend, dragging a trailer. It ran well. I moved a  
machine in Savannah, last week and returned the 240 miles to athens,  
last night. It was getting below 40 f by the time i was about an hour  
out of Athens, so i topped my WVO off with about 5 gals of #2, cheaply  
at $3.80/gal at I-20 and Thompson.  It all ran well. I only saw 4 or 5  
deer in about 5 hours of driving after dark. I hadn't gotten around to  
replacing my antifreeze (with the correct G05, of course) yet, since a  
blown off hose this summer, so i was running straight water  (at 80c  
or so). When i got home, i pulled the lower radiator hose and dumped  
all the water on the ground since we were to have a low of something  
like 25F last night. When i did that, i noticed some fuel around the  
injectors and return lines.


This afternoon, i installed the new coolant. I also replaced a leaking  
return line on the #5 injector (that's the rear one?). I noticed two  
odd things.


First with the heat set in full hot (red on the wheel)  and the button  
to the right of defrost pushed in, not only was the heater working,  
but the a/c compressor was also running  odd. OFF on the climate  
control turns it off, but no other position seems to.


I just unplugged the power line to the compressor.

I have resoldered the climate control unit, but it was a few years  
back. A/C works fine, i used it this week in SAV.


ODD. Ideas?

More seriously, i noticed a dripping of fuel around the rear of the  
engine in the vicinity of the rear of the engine.


I didn't crawl under since i hurt my back moving the Ludlow Typograph  
in Sav. Is there likely to be a puddle of fuel somewhere or another  
place for things to leak. I checked the lines etc on the the side of  
the IP, but the drip is further back than that.


So this is my thanksgiving travel report. I hope y'all had successful  
trips

www.javaphoto.com
www.javacycles.com
LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
www.ricktheprinter.com
www.letterpressmachinery.com






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Re: [MBZ] more 1982 300td drama

2012-11-25 Thread Jim Cathey
First with the heat set in full hot (red on the wheel)  and the button 
to the right of defrost pushed in, not only was the heater working, 
but the a/c compressor was also running  odd.


Exactly as TFM tell you.  AC is ON with the left-most three buttons,
and OFF for the right-most two.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2nd request]

2012-11-25 Thread Mountain Man
Craig wrote:
 I sent you all the information I have on W123 vacuum systems, in a 566 kB
 ZIP file.

Me too, please?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush and burp

2012-11-25 Thread Hendrik Fay
Don't these engines have a bolt in the head to 'burp' the engine, my 
M103 has one that needs to be undone whilst filling with coolant.


Hendrik
who is self burping

On 25/11/12 17:32, Jim Cathey wrote:

What happened?


Air bubble, big one.  My method is to pour the coolant
into the tank, pull off the upper radiator hose and
backfill water into the system until it's pouring out
over my hand which is holding the bottom of the hose
against the bottom of the radiator neck, but leaving
a crack at the top into which to pour water.  Then I
jam the hose on and tighten it up.

That gets rid of all the air, but what spills out is
all water since the coolant hasn't really mixed yet.

-- Jim






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Re: [MBZ] BenzPr0n

2012-11-25 Thread Hendrik Fay

Even the Stig was there.

Hendrik
who is not the Stig

On 25/11/12 01:52, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4AGoGBfQe8feature=youtu.be

--R







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Re: [MBZ] Chuffed old chap!

2012-11-25 Thread Hendrik Fay
According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler_Dealers they do 
make losses on some deals.


Hendrik
who always looses out on cars

On 23/11/12 14:29, OK Don wrote:

The TV show is the point, not the profit from selling a car --

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:56 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


Yeah they make a thousand or so profit for a week of work. Not worth it.








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Re: [MBZ] BenzPr0n

2012-11-25 Thread Rich Thomas

I did not see him (or her)!

--R

On 11/25/12 6:42 PM, Hendrik  Fay wrote:

Even the Stig was there.

Hendrik
who is not the Stig

On 25/11/12 01:52, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4AGoGBfQe8feature=youtu.be

--R







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Re: [MBZ] Chuffed old chap!

2012-11-25 Thread Rich Thomas

your a looser

--R

On 11/25/12 7:13 PM, Hendrik  Fay wrote:
According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler_Dealers they do 
make losses on some deals.


Hendrik
who always looses out on cars

On 23/11/12 14:29, OK Don wrote:

The TV show is the point, not the profit from selling a car --

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:56 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yeah they make a thousand or so profit for a week of work. Not worth 
it.









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Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush

2012-11-25 Thread MG
The other thing to remember is to make sure that you install the 
thermostat with the air bleeder on the top. I've never had a 
problem with air bubbles when installing the thermostat that way. 
Probably I'm just very lucky. :-)


Manfred


Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:14:28 -0500
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush


That's the way I do it, too.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] BenzPr0n

2012-11-25 Thread Mitch Haley

Henny's not the only one who was thinking Stig at 0:18.

Rich Thomas wrote:

I did not see him (or her)!

--R

On 11/25/12 6:42 PM, Hendrik  Fay wrote:

Even the Stig was there.

Hendrik
who is not the Stig

On 25/11/12 01:52, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4AGoGBfQe8feature=youtu.be



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Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush

2012-11-25 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Nov 24, 2012 11:03 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:My
method is to pour the coolant
 into the tank, pull off the upper radiator hose and
 backfill water into the system until it's pouring out
 over my hand which is holding the bottom of the hose
 against the bottom of the radiator neck, but leaving
 a crack at the top into which to pour water.  Then I
 jam the hose on and tighten it up.

 That gets rid of all the air, but what spills out is
 all water since the coolant hasn't really mixed yet.


Where does the special tool, aka thermostat modified with shell casing,
come into it?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush

2012-11-25 Thread Russ Williams

When doing a citric acid treatment.

On 11/25/2012 20:44, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Nov 24, 2012 11:03 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:My
method is to pour the coolant

into the tank, pull off the upper radiator hose and
backfill water into the system until it's pouring out
over my hand which is holding the bottom of the hose
against the bottom of the radiator neck, but leaving
a crack at the top into which to pour water.  Then I
jam the hose on and tighten it up.

That gets rid of all the air, but what spills out is
all water since the coolant hasn't really mixed yet.


Where does the special tool, aka thermostat modified with shell casing,
come into it?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Gl and the deer

2012-11-25 Thread Fmiser
 Dan Penoff wrote:

 A moose once bit my sister

I knew it...  I _knew_ it!!  I just knew it was  going to come
up!!!

It's Friday somewhere - right?

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Engine Vacuum Couple Hose hookup 240D [2nd request]

2012-11-25 Thread Craig
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:58:17 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:

 Me too, please?
 Thanks.
 mao

It's coming at you, offlist.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Gl and the deer

2012-11-25 Thread Dan Penoff
No, no!  She got better.

Dan But I don't want to go on the cart


On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Fmiser wrote:

 Dan Penoff wrote:
 
 A moose once bit my sister
 
 I knew it...  I _knew_ it!!  I just knew it was  going to come
 up!!!
 
 It's Friday somewhere - right?
 
 --   Philip
 
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[MBZ] It's Friday somewhere - right?

2012-11-25 Thread Frederick Moir
Pie Jesu domine

Dona eis requiem
Clonk!
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gl and the deer
 
No, no!  She got better.

Dan But I don't want to go on the cart


On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Fmiser wrote:

 Dan Penoff wrote:
 
 A moose once bit my sister
 
 I knew it...  I _knew_ it!!  I just knew it was  going to come
 up!!!
 
 It's Friday somewhere - right?
 
 --   Philip
 

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Re: [MBZ] Stigy BenzPr0n

2012-11-25 Thread Hendrik Fay

And again at 1.14 but what would I know.

Hendrik
who is blind in one eye and can't see out the other

On 26/11/12 12:17, Mitch Haley wrote:

Henny's not the only one who was thinking Stig at 0:18.

Rich Thomas wrote:

I did not see him (or her)!

--R

On 11/25/12 6:42 PM, Hendrik  Fay wrote:

Even the Stig was there.

Hendrik
who is not the Stig







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Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Flush and burp

2012-11-25 Thread OK Don
IIRC, the OM615 had one, the OM 616 and 617 did not. The OM601 and 603 did
not. The M117 did.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:

 Don't these engines have a bolt in the head to 'burp' the engine, my M103
 has one that needs to be undone whilst filling with coolant.

 Hendrik
 who is self burping





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OK Don
2001 ML320
2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
1957 C182A
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Re: [MBZ] more 1982 300td drama

2012-11-25 Thread Dieselhead
Fuel leak at the rear is either a hose, or the fuel return lines or 
ending plug.  Should be changed annually or every other year at least.



First with the heat set in full hot (red on the wheel)  and the 
button to the right of defrost pushed in, not only was the heater 
working, but the a/c compressor was also running  odd.


Exactly as TFM tell you.  AC is ON with the left-most three buttons,
and OFF for the right-most two.

-- Jim


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