[MBZ] Dead battery
Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
Bust. Fuel consumption is slightly worse, probably about 5% or 10% worse, after about 1500 miles of driving. Going to set it back to factory spec using the locking tool, then maybe play around with only adjusting it a degree or two at a time and then driving for a few tanks to see if I can get an improvement. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method Today I did something new: set the injection pump timing on my E300 using the millivolt method. My goal is to improve fuel consumption. The glow-plugs will produce a very small voltage when heated, due to the dissimilar metals used to make them. Measuring this voltage (~12 to 13 millivolts in my case) provides a clue as to the heat of combustion in the pre-chamber. Previously I'd set the IP timing using the locking tool, which I consider to be a rather imprecise way of setting the timing. I made a harness to tie the glow plug wires together at the connector for the pre-glow relay, so I was combining all the voltages. This produced a very steady signal, measured with my Fluke DMM. I found that by retarding the timing, not only did the idle speed increase, but so did the heat of combustion. The voltage peaked after three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions , but if I continued retarding the timing, the idle speed continued to increase. Going for a test drive shortly. Will know if the fuel consumption has improved after a few hundred miles or so. Thanks, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
From what I hear they are like everything else...made cheap with a big warranty with the company hoping for failures like yours; just out of the warranty period. I buy mine from Wally Mart. Supposed to be made by Johnson Control who is supposed to be good. I have had a few failures in my trucks but I am pretty hard on them at times. Price is usually cheaper and you can't throw a stone and not hit a Walmart these days so warranty claims are usually quick and easy. FLAPS seem to be more money, same warranty, same crap and less store hours and locations to return them to. Mike On Dec 7, 2012 8:48 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
Sir, you need a dyno! Mike On Dec 7, 2012 9:15 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Bust. Fuel consumption is slightly worse, probably about 5% or 10% worse, after about 1500 miles of driving. Going to set it back to factory spec using the locking tool, then maybe play around with only adjusting it a degree or two at a time and then driving for a few tanks to see if I can get an improvement. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method Today I did something new: set the injection pump timing on my E300 using the millivolt method. My goal is to improve fuel consumption. The glow-plugs will produce a very small voltage when heated, due to the dissimilar metals used to make them. Measuring this voltage (~12 to 13 millivolts in my case) provides a clue as to the heat of combustion in the pre-chamber. Previously I'd set the IP timing using the locking tool, which I consider to be a rather imprecise way of setting the timing. I made a harness to tie the glow plug wires together at the connector for the pre-glow relay, so I was combining all the voltages. This produced a very steady signal, measured with my Fluke DMM. I found that by retarding the timing, not only did the idle speed increase, but so did the heat of combustion. The voltage peaked after three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions , but if I continued retarding the timing, the idle speed continued to increase. Going for a test drive shortly. Will know if the fuel consumption has improved after a few hundred miles or so. Thanks, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
Alex wrote and provided the following link: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I know a lot of them had the rear facing seat. I don't know what it is, but I like these big old wagons. I really like the Woody Wagons (the Ford Country Squire of the 70's and 80's), the Olds Custom Cruiser (the Big one, not that stupid Cierra wagon version), the Big Buick Roadmaster Wagon (of the 80's and 90's), etc. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
Me too. I have always wanted to build an Olds Vista Cruiser with a built 6.2 diesel. Mike On Dec 7, 2012 9:36 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Alex wrote and provided the following link: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I know a lot of them had the rear facing seat. I don't know what it is, but I like these big old wagons. I really like the Woody Wagons (the Ford Country Squire of the 70's and 80's), the Olds Custom Cruiser (the Big one, not that stupid Cierra wagon version), the Big Buick Roadmaster Wagon (of the 80's and 90's), etc. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
If I did we would circle one another, sniffing all the while. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 13:09, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike Drive outside the beltway for at least 500 miles in any direction and you r MPG will improve, and your head will (start to) clear of the beltway mush. You might accidentally meet a few real 'Mercuns to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: From what I hear they are like everything else...made cheap with a big warranty with the company hoping for failures like yours; just out of the warranty period. I buy mine from Wally Mart. Supposed to be made by Johnson Control who is supposed to be good. I have had a few failures in my trucks but I am pretty hard on them at times. Price is usually cheaper and you can't throw a stone and not hit a Walmart these days so warranty claims are usually quick and easy. FLAPS seem to be more money, same warranty, same crap and less store hours and locations to return them to. Along those lines I noticed the Sam's Club group 49 batteries are still about $100 but now have a three year warranty. Much better than the crummy two year warranty I got with the last one, which took five years to fail... Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
Rich wrote: My 500 Eldo gets about.. wait, I never checked, and never really cared. Premium too. Oh. Wow. You have an old Eldo? With the 502 engine? What year? Some of those are very cool cars even if they are land barges. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took it back the same day. They said that they never open the cells and that I should not have opened the cells. The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so I'm going down to Autozone and get it tested today. I've had good luck with Autozone on batteries. Gerry From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5443 - Release Date: 12/07/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I just bought the Wallymart version, same 3 years, came to $125 with tax and I kept my old battery. Worth more at the salvage yard. Mike On Dec 7, 2012 9:56 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: From what I hear they are like everything else...made cheap with a big warranty with the company hoping for failures like yours; just out of the warranty period. I buy mine from Wally Mart. Supposed to be made by Johnson Control who is supposed to be good. I have had a few failures in my trucks but I am pretty hard on them at times. Price is usually cheaper and you can't throw a stone and not hit a Walmart these days so warranty claims are usually quick and easy. FLAPS seem to be more money, same warranty, same crap and less store hours and locations to return them to. Along those lines I noticed the Sam's Club group 49 batteries are still about $100 but now have a three year warranty. Much better than the crummy two year warranty I got with the last one, which took five years to fail... Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
Phillip wrote: It now gets 12 or less - but after almost 400,000 miles without overhaul, I'm not complaining much. A word jumped out at me when I read that. Overhaul. There's another thing you very rarely hear anymore. Overhaul. No one overhauls engines anymore. Of course, we used to have overhaul engines just to get them to 100,000 miles. Are there any shops around anymore that could even overhaul an engine? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123
Luther wrote: #1 Only use full-throttle when merging onto the interstate. #2 Find traffic-less sections of the interstate, stop on the shoulder, do full-throttle acceleration up to speed limit (or beyond, if you dare :) ), repeat. This would reduce carbon buildup on the injectors, rings, and valves which could be lowering your fuel econ. I would also suggest trying a couple of tanks of B100 (biodiesel) if its not too cold. When I had my 90 300D 2.5, I did that and then followed this procedure (i.e. the Italian tune-up) and it would always clean a lot of crud out and run better. I think it improved the mileage. You would think just getting all the carbon and crap out would improve the fuel mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
Max Dillon wrote: Bust. Fuel consumption is slightly worse, probably about 5% or 10% worse, after about 1500 miles of driving. Retarding the timing always does that, unless you were seriously overadvanced to begin with. Advancing gains MPG at the expense of increased peak cylinder pressures. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype
The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. The 60's cars were hot, the 70's were not. Marketing was working overtime (ala The Marching Morons?) to try to sell those pigs as hot anyway. Go-fast stripes, etc. Pollution standards were asinine, measured in ppm rather than parts-per-_mile_, so the 'solution' was to stuff a big choked-to-death engine in there that probably emitted as many or more nasties than a smaller, more efficient and powerful, and perhaps slightly dirtier in ppm engine that would have certainly wasted less gas, and thus, ipso facto, emitted less pollution. But hey, at least that smog was pre-diluted with a lot of air! Saved Brownian motion from having to do it in the atmosphere, there's a 'big win' for you. It's amazing that _finally_ they've gotten back to the power levels they once had, probably surpassing them, it only took them fifty years or so. Of course, the new engines are a lot cleaner, longer-lasting, and more reliable. But we're probably 20-30 years behind where we would be if regulators weren't so f-ing stupid. And a lot of needless petroleum burned along the way. The next frontier, of course, is to figure out that a typical transport appliance doesn't need more than about 150HP in order to be quite driveable, so the smaller more fuel-efficient engines should be coming along soon. Hell, my 55HP 200D is _very_ driveable, it's the extra torque (and the manny tranny) that make it so. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Gerry Archer wrote: I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took it back the same day. They said that they never open the cells and that I should not have opened the cells. I'd have gone back the next day and returned the battery. Car wouldn't start even with a new battery so I don't need the battery I returned a battery at WalMart once, cost me the core battery I'd given them but I got my money back without a quibble. The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so I'm going down to Autozone and get it tested today. I've had good luck with Autozone on batteries. I'd just use the warranty and make AA eat it, if it's the gold one it should be free replacement for two years and pro-rated for something like the next five. Did you year about the AZ boycott? http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/autozone-fires-worker-who-stopped-robbery.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/boycott-autozone/266704685473 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
I think I intended to say 70's rather than 60's. There were some good cars in the 60's. Much better than they were later. For example, a 68 Chevy Impala is still a nice car in my opinion, but I don't want a 73 or 74 version. And yes, I am amazed at what the little 4 cylinders do these days too. My wife has an 07 Accord with the 4 cylinder. She wishes she had the V6 but I am afraid she will do herself in with the 4. She drives that thing like it was Nascar. Randy On 07/12/2012 9:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype
So, I have to wonder if the reason we are moving ahead is that the current crop of engineers was growing up in the heyday of the muscle car? They want the power and we now have better tools to produce it. And, I would agree that most commuters don't need a whole lot of horsepower. My 76 115 300D is reasonably good in most cases and I think it is 77HP if memory serves to be correct. It struggles a bit in certain spots. We don't have a whole lot of freeways with merge ramps around here much so I don't have to get up to high speed all that quickly in most cases. The one spot that I run into periodically that makes me want more umph is a spot on the trip home from the lake. It is on the bypass around Kenora. If I go through town which I often do, then I have to come to a complete stop at a T intersection where the highway through town feeds me back onto the bypass heading west out of Kenora. So, I have to stop, and then make a 90 degree left turn onto the highway where the traffic is moving at 60+ mph. AND the first half a mile or more going west is uphill. I won't be up to much more than 50 mph by the time I crest that hill. I can easily get over the speed limit going down the other side, but getting to the crest of that hill from a dead stop is an issue and I often end up with transport trucks on my back bumper even if I have not pulled out when there are any vehicles approaching that are all that close. As you will have guessed, this is 2 lane so there is no left lane for them to pull into and go around me. I can get over onto the shoulder a bit but then they are probably over the center line if they want to go around me and there may well be oncoming traffic that would also have to shift right onto the shoulder at least in part. Not a good situation. It would appear that most current vehicles are better able to get up to speed than my old diesel. Randy On 07/12/2012 10:08 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. The 60's cars were hot, the 70's were not. Marketing was working overtime (ala The Marching Morons?) to try to sell those pigs as hot anyway. Go-fast stripes, etc. Pollution standards were asinine, measured in ppm rather than parts-per-_mile_, so the 'solution' was to stuff a big choked-to-death engine in there that probably emitted as many or more nasties than a smaller, more efficient and powerful, and perhaps slightly dirtier in ppm engine that would have certainly wasted less gas, and thus, ipso facto, emitted less pollution. But hey, at least that smog was pre-diluted with a lot of air! Saved Brownian motion from having to do it in the atmosphere, there's a 'big win' for you. It's amazing that _finally_ they've gotten back to the power levels they once had, probably surpassing them, it only took them fifty years or so. Of course, the new engines are a lot cleaner, longer-lasting, and more reliable. But we're probably 20-30 years behind where we would be if regulators weren't so f-ing stupid. And a lot of needless petroleum burned along the way. The next frontier, of course, is to figure out that a typical transport appliance doesn't need more than about 150HP in order to be quite driveable, so the smaller more fuel-efficient engines should be coming along soon. Hell, my 55HP 200D is _very_ driveable, it's the extra torque (and the manny tranny) that make it so. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
Donald wrote: I don't know what it is, but I like these big old wagons. I really like the Woody Wagons (the Ford Country Squire of the 70's and 80's), the Olds Custom Cruiser (the Big one, not that stupid Cierra wagon version), the Big Buick Roadmaster Wagon (of the 80's and 90's), etc. Michael Canfield wrote: Me too. I have always wanted to build an Olds Vista Cruiser with a built 6.2 diesel. I just read about a fellow that did that. But I think it was a newer car. It was on the longroof forum. There it is. http://gmlongroof.4umer.com/t272-hybrid-longroof-locomotive --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I have used new batteries from Costco and Interstate, and have found Interstate to be the better of the two. Typically I don't buy batteries, usually I go down to the marine shop I used to work at and grab a discharged battery off of the core rack that has a recent date code, charge it and test it. 75% of the time it will be a good battery since the morons who work there don't know how to test a battery. I have also gotten two from the recycle section of the local landfill transfer station, both around a year old and tested good after charging. This practice is why I have a universal battery box in the trunk of my 240d and none under the hood. Dave L. -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:48:25 -0500 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Dead battery Message-ID: uruj8c89m3rv7f4gf09y961c.1354888105...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
Donald Snook wrote: Phillip wrote: It now gets 12 or less - but after almost 400,000 miles without overhaul, I'm not complaining much. A word jumped out at me when I read that. Overhaul. There's another thing you very rarely hear anymore. Overhaul. No one overhauls engines anymore. Of course, we used to have overhaul engines just to get them to 100,000 miles. Are there any shops around anymore that could even overhaul an engine? Shop? Who said anything about a shop? *smiles* I do my own work. For under $300 I can get a kit with parts to do a rebuild. Less than $100 for a ring and bearing overhaul kit, which is probably all this engine needs. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Mine was Advance as well, not Auto Zone. I charged it for a couple hours, car started just fine, so I let it idle for ten minutes or so, then shut it off, and an hour later it had a hard time starting. Advance gave me $52 credit from the warranty toward the purchase of a new, so now it's done. The nice thing about Advance is that they are close to the house and will install the battery, so if I'm out of town my wife can get it done without me. -Max -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Archer Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took it back the same day. They said that they never open the cells and that I should not have opened the cells. The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so I'm going down to Autozone and get it tested today. I've had good luck with Autozone on batteries. Gerry From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5443 - Release Date: 12/07/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method
There's a diesel performance shop in town that uses one, wonder what they charge? -Max -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method Sir, you need a dyno! Mike On Dec 7, 2012 9:15 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Bust. Fuel consumption is slightly worse, probably about 5% or 10% worse, after about 1500 miles of driving. Going to set it back to factory spec using the locking tool, then maybe play around with only adjusting it a degree or two at a time and then driving for a few tanks to see if I can get an improvement. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method Today I did something new: set the injection pump timing on my E300 using the millivolt method. My goal is to improve fuel consumption. The glow-plugs will produce a very small voltage when heated, due to the dissimilar metals used to make them. Measuring this voltage (~12 to 13 millivolts in my case) provides a clue as to the heat of combustion in the pre-chamber. Previously I'd set the IP timing using the locking tool, which I consider to be a rather imprecise way of setting the timing. I made a harness to tie the glow plug wires together at the connector for the pre-glow relay, so I was combining all the voltages. This produced a very steady signal, measured with my Fluke DMM. I found that by retarding the timing, not only did the idle speed increase, but so did the heat of combustion. The voltage peaked after three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions , but if I continued retarding the timing, the idle speed continued to increase. Going for a test drive shortly. Will know if the fuel consumption has improved after a few hundred miles or so. Thanks, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
There's a convertible Eldo for sale on the side of the road not too far from my house, red with a white top. Looks very sharp, original. Maybe the local urban boys will pimp it. -Max -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:06 AM To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats Rich wrote: My 500 Eldo gets about.. wait, I never checked, and never really cared. Premium too. Oh. Wow. You have an old Eldo? With the 502 engine? What year? Some of those are very cool cars even if they are land barges. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM
I found a couple web forums, but I really prefer email lists. And I'd sure like a list as good as this one - but for the GM 6.2 L diesel. Any of you know of one? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
LOL Good one! If I did we would circle one another, sniffing all the while. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 13:09, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike Drive outside the beltway for at least 500 miles in any direction and you r MPG will improve, and your head will (start to) clear of the beltway mush. You might accidentally meet a few real 'Mercuns to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
That thing has been around awhile. --R On 12/7/12 1:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: There's a convertible Eldo for sale on the side of the road not too far from my house, red with a white top. Looks very sharp, original. Maybe the local urban boys will pimp it. -Max -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:06 AM To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats Rich wrote: My 500 Eldo gets about.. wait, I never checked, and never really cared. Premium too. Oh. Wow. You have an old Eldo? With the 502 engine? What year? Some of those are very cool cars even if they are land barges. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Advance has a $25 rebate until 12-31-2012, and the usual $40 off coupons. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18threadid=1231931start=40 https://advanceautoparts.4myrebate.com/Claim/OfferDetailsNewGrid/?Offercd=AAP-10020 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603+107?
Ain't nothing young about me - I've got an excuse! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Now who is too young to be forgetting things? :-D Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/6/2012 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I wasn't aware the 5cyl turbo was still called the 602. OH, right, the '87 190D is a 602 turbo. I'm so dense at times... Still wrong - the 190d has the OM601 engine - 4 cyl. OM602 is 5 cyl., and OM603 is 6 cyl. You're too young to be forgetting this stuff! Bzzzt! The 190D with the 2.5 turbo _is_ the OM602. _My_ 190D, 2.5 no turbo, is also an OM602. The parts car in the woods is an OM601, complete with hole in the block at one of its (four) holes. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Well you should still have some warranty left on it, take it back there. On 12/7/2012 7:48 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5934 - Release Date: 12/03/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM
Just know of forums, no email lists. You got a 6.2? On 12/7/2012 12:46 PM, Fmiser wrote: I found a couple web forums, but I really prefer email lists. And I'd sure like a list as good as this one - but for the GM 6.2 L diesel. Any of you know of one? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5934 - Release Date: 12/03/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Home phone on the super cheap, $40 upfront , $0 monthly. 3enumeda
I came across this article when looking for a cheap homephone solution that outlined using a device from obihai.com. $40 for the box, google voice (which is free) for the in and out bound calls. http://www.obihai.com/tutorial1.html Now, who know how long google will let voice be free or obihai will be in business or this will continue to work, but I figure for the $40 it will pay for itself in 4 mos. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
On Dec 7, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Advance has a $25 rebate until 12-31-2012, and the usual $40 off coupons. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18threadid=1231931start=40 https://advanceautoparts.4myrebate.com/Claim/OfferDetailsNewGrid/?Offercd=AAP-10020 AND if you have a Chase Freedom (slavery) card, you can get an additional 5% cash back, if you purchase online by going through the Ultimate Rewards website to access the Advance Auto website. Then go pick it up at the store. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Nobody cares department
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/Aston-Martin-sells-38-stake-to-Italians-to-raise-cash/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM
Fmiser wrote: I found a couple web forums, but I really prefer email lists. And I'd sure like a list as good as this one - but for the GM 6.2 L diesel. Any of you know of one? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Just know of forums, no email lists. You got a 6.2? Yup. In a 3/4 ton Suburban. I got it cheap with a dead transmission. The replacement transmission is in and it seem to be ready for inspection and license. The 300TD just doesn't have enough room. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM
I got a 6.5 turbo 2500 suburban a while back, don't need it but it was cheap could not pass it up. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Fmiser wrote: I found a couple web forums, but I really prefer email lists. And I'd sure like a list as good as this one - but for the GM 6.2 L diesel. Any of you know of one? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Just know of forums, no email lists. You got a 6.2? Yup. In a 3/4 ton Suburban. I got it cheap with a dead transmission. The replacement transmission is in and it seem to be ready for inspection and license. The 300TD just doesn't have enough room. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] modern power
It was Snook'd: If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) And MB's 3.5 DI V-6 is now at 302hp. Plus a flex-fuel version for 2013 for the ML GL, not to say you can find E85 anyplace. The newish 3.5 Bluetec Diesel for the ML GL is at 265hp. Even the little 1.8 turbo four (Buyer's Remorse Version) is at just over 200hp. MB is working hard to meet the Obama gas consumption dreams. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Somebody Needs This
Not mine, etc. 1970 Mercedes 280SE 108 Body 6 Cylinder Fuel Injected $2800 http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/3431631922.html Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody Needs This
Meh. Nice, but not as nice as this crackhead ad: http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/3410152111.html Dan On Dec 7, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Not mine, etc. 1970 Mercedes 280SE 108 Body 6 Cylinder Fuel Injected $2800 http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/3431631922.html Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R On 12/7/12 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody Needs This
What?! $15K?! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody Needs This Meh. Nice, but not as nice as this crackhead ad: http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/3410152111.html Dan On Dec 7, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Not mine, etc. 1970 Mercedes 280SE 108 Body 6 Cylinder Fuel Injected $2800 http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/3431631922.html Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
BTW, 'going to Mama Dips for lunch tomorrow. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R On 12/7/12 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GTO
...I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt?.. Everything but brakes. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
Get some collards. I have been wanting me some collards the last few days, I made some turnip greens the other night but collards were what I wanted. There is a whole field full of them up the road, I was tempted this morning... --R On 12/7/12 11:17 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, 'going to Mama Dips for lunch tomorrow. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R On 12/7/12 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody Needs This
12. Endless list of trinkets (radio, switches...) --R On 12/7/12 11:10 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Meh. Nice, but not as nice as this crackhead ad: http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/3410152111.html Dan On Dec 7, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Not mine, etc. 1970 Mercedes 280SE 108 Body 6 Cylinder Fuel Injected $2800 http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/3431631922.html Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GTO
Brakes are irrelevant. And overrated. --R On 12/7/12 11:22 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt?.. Everything but brakes. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM
Perhaps Kaleb neds to start another list??? On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I got a 6.5 turbo 2500 suburban a while back, don't need it but it was cheap could not pass it up. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Fmiser wrote: I found a couple web forums, but I really prefer email lists. And I'd sure like a list as good as this one - but for the GM 6.2 L diesel. Any of you know of one? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Just know of forums, no email lists. You got a 6.2? Yup. In a 3/4 ton Suburban. I got it cheap with a dead transmission. The replacement transmission is in and it seem to be ready for inspection and license. The 300TD just doesn't have enough room. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GTO
The best defense is a good offense. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Brakes are irrelevant. And overrated. --R On 12/7/12 11:22 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt?.. Everything but brakes. RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
67 Chevelle SS396 for me. My second car was one. It was a beautiful car. That and my first SDL are the best looking cars I ever had. I knew it would be worth money someday, but I couldn't afford it. A battleship gray 190Dc caught my attention, and the SS396 went away. I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GTO
Exactly what a goat was designed to do. (and every potty-yak) The best defense is a good offense. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Brakes are irrelevant. And overrated. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM
OK Don wrote: Perhaps Kaleb neds to start another list??? Maybe. I'm learn'n. Short term plans are: * install slow, no-swell glow plugs and a manual glow controller * wire brake controller and trailer electric socket * repair the dual battery system * transplant 3rd row seat mounts * replace headliner * wire radios, lights, 'phone, etc Longer term ideas include: * find/build a sturdy and usable roof rack * install tachometer * install transmission cooler * add airbags to rear suspension * repair A/C --Philip, wishing the Suburban was built like my Mercedes ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
