Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's Tractor

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Get long forks and you can lift from the lift points underneath. 
4430 may be cheaper than a 4020 these days.


For junkers, yes, you can lift from the roof.  Kinda keeps the 
windows from sealing thereafter.


I'll bet the forks will fit right in the window openings with the 
windows rolled down.  An easy lift from there.


Dan


On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 Get a 4020 with a loader or a 4430, and you can move cars (with 
forks in place of the bucket)

 >



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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

   G Mann:   Frost this morning.  You don't need any AC  Save the 
money.  44 lb of propane/butane could make a nice weinie roast out of 
your bus.


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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I had an '86 Legend for several years in the late '90's. I put about 100K
miles on it and sold it for more than I bought it. I believe it had 198K on
it when I sold it. I loved everything about that car.
When I look for cars, I look for two things: MBs I cannot live without and
first generation Legends.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[clay via Mercedes]

But you can do more with longer range FRS stuff for car to car and then use 
them while wandering around

clay

On Oct 6, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?
> 
> We do, when caravanning.  I acquired (via thrift shop over time)
> four Uniden 510XL (?) and magnetic antennae.  They're a bit large
> and clunky, but they work well and have good range, and are
> loud enough that the whole car can hear.  Cigarette lighter power,
> no batteries to feed.
> 
> And _nobody_ is going to want to steal them.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[clay via Mercedes]

Not sure about the new stuff, but the older asian cars do tend to run to almost 
200k.  the honda, toyota, acura stuff I had lasted through 150k without issues. 
 As long as proper service was done.  Getting past 180k was pushing need for 
major overhauls of engine as well as body.  Probably like the W115 and W123.  
The E300D also sort of began to fade at 180.  More $$$ for heavy projects to 
keep it going past 200k.

clay


On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Really? I figure any junk asian car you buy today to last 200,000 miles at 
> LEAST. The rust prevention is better and the electronics are all vastly more 
> robust even if they are black box type.
> 
> Purportedly the average age of today's fleet is 11 years. Looking just at 
> Toyota Tundra pickups I'd believe it, they changed body styles in 2007 and 
> there are a ton of the older ones around.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> To: Bob Rentfro ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
> 
> 
>> In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my 
>> '77
>> 240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was 
>> nuts
>> each time.
> 
> Expect to see that attitude get worse.  I believe we've already
> experienced the service longevity peak, and that the mileage
> expectation of our national fleet will go _down_ from here.
> 
> More complex application-specific parts will be to blame.
> Once the official line of spares is exhausted, these vehicles
> will be rendered permanently hors du combat.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

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On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 06:40:06 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> >global cooling which was why the >government took away R-12
> 
> R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the
> upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is
> extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so
> stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere
> (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base
> atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the
> ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts
> up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. 

Those are the facts as I heard them in graduate school.

However,

  The average molecular weight of our atmosphere is 28.97. [1]

  The molecular weight of hydrochloric acid is 36.46.  [2]

  The molecular weight of chlorine gas 70.90

  The molecular weight of R-12 (CCl2F2) is 120.91.

  The heavier the gas, the more likely it will be closer to the earth.

The folks who had R-12 removed forgot about the antarctic volcano that is
spewing hydrochloric acid as well as the fact that during the antarctic
winter, there is no ionizing radiation from the sun to make ozone.


Craig

1. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/molecular-mass-air-d_679.html

2. From Los Alamos National Laboratory Chemistry Division
   Periodic Table of the Elements

   Hydrogen1.008 g/mol
   Carbon 12.01  g/mol
   Fluorine   19.00  g/mol
   Chlorine   35.45  g/mol

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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's Tractor

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I'll bet the forks will fit right in the window openings with the windows 
rolled down.  An easy lift from there.

Dan


On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

> Get a 4020 with a loader or a 4430, and you can move cars (with forks in 
> place of the bucket)
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's Tractor

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Get a 4020 with a loader or a 4430, and you can move cars (with forks 
in place of the bucket)



Yea I'm buying a john Deere 3032, after research I got a deere which 
is top of the line as far as I am concerned cheaper than Kubota etc, 
way cheaper. Plus I took advantage of the 0 down 0% 60 month deal. 
Deere or at least this dealer charges same price cash or finance, 
limit and the rest charge more for finance on their 0% deals


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Re: [MBZ] The first car in the shop

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Btw I figure I can probably squeeze about 10-12 cars in there but that would 
not leave room for much else as far as room to work.
Can probably fit another 5-6 in the barn.

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> 
> What is it?  Looks quite generic except for the fog lights, which bespeak a 
> W115
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The first car in the shop

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It's a 115

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> W115
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Re: [MBZ] The first car in the shop

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What is it?  Looks quite generic except for the fog lights, which bespeak a
W115

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Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Mercedes coffee table books, service manuals and any other OFFICIAL Daimler
Benz publication.  I would send a link except I can't track any down.
Also, try looking on the trunk lid of the car itself:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/4700485168.html

Andrew
Trying to hide a smug grin

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> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:29:08 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
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> > Because that's the correct way!  Look it up.
>
> Where?
>
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> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You just replied to it.  The links are at the bottom.

And man, is that thing a beast!

I like the money room.  I need to gets me one of those

Dan


On Oct 6, 2014, at 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> I am advised the post with picture is waiting for moderator approval..
> Please stand by... or not..
> 
> Tyvm..
> 
> Grant...
> 
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, G Mann  wrote:
> 
>> Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new],
>> with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height
>> adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle
>> coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one]
>> .. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc
>> etc..
>> 
>> Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs
>> after owners heart attack.  if it will clear this system..
>> 
>> 
>> ​
>> And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of
>> the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Respectfully..
>> 
>> Grant...
>> ​
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> pics of the beast plzz
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>>> All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on
>>>> this
>>>> project... ;)))
>>>> 
>>>> If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes
>>>> motor coach and ask them to "help you work on it".. hahaha..
>>>> 
>>>> Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons ..
>>>> Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big..
>>>> Grant...
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Convoy

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Better yet.. spend the few bucks extra and get the model with rechargeable
batteries.. With an adapter, you can talk all you want and keep them
plugged into the car power port [formerly known as cigar lighter, back in
the day when men were men and ships were wood].

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Van Knutson via Mercedes <
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> Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?
>
> I was thinking about our planned caravan to Indiana with three vehicles
> (me driving our Big Red Van [BRV (tm)] towing our utility trailer, Shirley
> driving our E320, and my brother driving a rental truck towing our
> 240D/3.0), and realized that cell phones wouldn't work too well. It
> occurred to me that CB radios would be better, allowing the two other
> people to hear what one was saying.
>
> I have located three CB radios, four* from our local freecycle group for
> free and one from a $10 eBay auction, but I don't know if they work
> because I don't have any antennas.
>
> Any suggestions on antennas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig
>
>
> ***
> You are overthinking it.  Todd and i used to go on road trips using a pair
> of hand held walkies. They don't have the legs CB's do, but if you don't
> get separated by more than a few miles, they work just fine.  Bring an
> extra set of AA batteries to refresh, and you are good to go. Turn 'em off
> every time you pull off for a gas or pee break.
>
> PLus, they are newly manufactured stock, cheap ($30+ for a pair -- get the
> highest rated wattage output you can find for a reasonable price), and you
> don't have to worry about electronics from the Jimmy Carter administration.
>
> DBV, we got ourselves a convoy information minister
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new],
with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height
adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle
coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one]
.. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc
etc..

Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs
after owners heart attack.  if it will clear this system..


​
And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of
the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course]



Respectfully..

Grant...
​

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> pics of the beast plzz
>
> --
> On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on
>> this
>> project... ;)))
>>
>> If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes
>> motor coach and ask them to "help you work on it".. hahaha..
>>
>> Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons ..
>> Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big..
>> Grant...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

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I am advised the post with picture is waiting for moderator approval..
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Tyvm..

Grant...

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, G Mann  wrote:

> Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new],
> with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height
> adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle
> coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one]
> .. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc
> etc..
>
> Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs
> after owners heart attack.  if it will clear this system..
>
>
> ​
> And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of
> the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course]
>
>
>
> Respectfully..
>
> Grant...
> ​
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> pics of the beast plzz
>>
>> --
>> On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on
>>> this
>>> project... ;)))
>>>
>>> If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes
>>> motor coach and ask them to "help you work on it".. hahaha..
>>>
>>> Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons ..
>>> Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big..
>>> Grant...
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's the drug combo they gave me, I took it faithfully for the day of the
laproscopic surgery (hernia #2) and the day after, then I went to plain
Tylenol.  The laproscopic recovery was, for me, quite easy compared to the
full "cut & gut" treatment for hernia #1.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Oct 6, 2014 4:40 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>> The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half
after I woke up.
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Hmm.  Good point.  All I would need is a can tap and a hose... I could probably 
find a set for cheap locally or on eBay...

Thanks!

Dan


On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:11 PM, David & Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes 
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> On 10/6/2014 8:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> (snip)
> 
> In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in 
> it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, 
> but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12.
> 
> It is my understanding that one doesn't need a gauge set in this 
> situation.  Aren't there bubbles showing in the sight glass if the system is 
> low?  Adding refrigerant (with the compressor running) until the bubbles go 
> away restores cooling.  Or at least that is the way I always did it.  I 
> think.  It's been a long time.
> 
> I'd go through and tighten all the connections first.
> 
> Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[MG via Mercedes]

I called and talked with the guy about that a couple of weeks 
ago. He said to just put it into the system after you let it fill 
to atmospheric pressure with air. He also told me that it doesn't 
form acids if there is a bit of humidity in there with the air. 
You could also leave the 134 in and just add the Enviro-safe to 
bring it up to the needed output since Enviro-safe mixes with 134 
or 12 without any problems. Don't try to add enough to get rid of 
the bubbles. You will probably need only one more can of the 
Enviro-safe to bring the system up to what it needs. The low side 
should be under 30lbs.


Manfred


Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 08:40:02 -0400
From: Meade Dillon 

Last week when I installed the new condenser in The White Whale (R-12
system converted by PO), I charged the system with just one can 
of R-134,
and to my pleasant surprise that was enough pressure for the 
system to work

and blow cool air.  Temps here don't really require AC now, so I'll
probably leave it alone until next summer.  I've got a few cans 
of one of

the hydrocarbon-based refrigerants, need to come up with a plan for
installing that.  Instructions say it should not be installed into a
vacuum, so I need to figure out how this "Enviro Safe" should be 
installed.


Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] The White Whale - soon to be sighted in the CHS area

[MG via Mercedes]

OH OK that makes me feel a little better, but too late. I busted 
my butt rebuilding a set of injectors today, getting them within 
5lb and then putting them into the red TD. Helped very little in 
the idle. I probably should do a compression check, something 
that I should have done a while ago.


Manfred

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 08:01:11 -0400
From: Meade Dillon 

Ooh no, that was spread out over about two weeks.  Thanks for the
compliment, feels great to finally have that done.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:29:08 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Because that's the correct way!  Look it up.

Where?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Hi Dan,
I have one suggestion and then I'll say no more:
Try to avoid "scolding" members with whom you disagree. (See your "scold" 
below.) One member wrote me that he was leaving the list because of your 
"attitude"; i.e. you apparently "scolded" him.  

Otherwise, perhaps you could get with the Ritter list "management" and combine 
the two lists.   Some of the long time members on this list know what I mean. 
(grin)

Gerrywho will still hang around because of all the fine members and their 
interesting submissions (including yours.) 
.. 

Dan wrote:
> There is no censoring on this list. If a user isn't moderated their posts go 
> right to the list.
> 
> I totally agree with the "we are all adults here", however, it was clear from 
> the beginning that people were getting riled up on the subject. While we do a 
> fairly good job of moderating ourselves, I stepped in in order to prevent 
> this from going totally in the tank. I would rather err on the side of 
> caution than have the list degrade into a verbal free for all.  Along these 
> lines, I received many private messages expressing concern about the thread 
> within minutes of it posting, which tells me the issue is contentious.
> 
> Dan, who was one of the original members of the mbz.org lists and a founding 
> member of the Ritter list
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:53 AM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Without dragging this on any further, just let me say that Kalebs method of 
> > running a list which assumed that list members were mature adults who could 
> > use their delete key if they disliked a submission, and your method which 
> > requires that each member must avoid any subject that "he guesses" might 
> > upset another member; are quite different. As far as I knew, the only 
> > banned subject was politics, and what I wrote was not about politics; it 
> > was about the freedom of communication on the world-wide-web; something 
> > that millions of internet users are highly concerned about.
> > 
> > As far as this being "a Mercedes list" we both know anything and everything 
> > gets discussed here.
> > 
> > In short, am I going to try and censor myself?  No.
> > If I submit something which you don't think is suitable for this list, then 
> > censor it; I probably won't even notice that you have. If you so desire, 
> > remove me from the list; you're the moderator.
> > 
> > Gerrywho has been on this list since it was based in Canada.
> > ...
> > Dan Penoff wrote:
> >> Gerry,
> >> First of all, if you had questions about filtering, you should have 
> >> addressed them to either myself or Kaleb privately. Attempting to post 
> >> something you expect to create dissent or of a highly contentious nature 
> >> to "see if there were filters for such issues" is simply wrong.
> >> 
> >> Had you bothered to contact myself or Kaleb we would have gladly explained 
> >> that there are no content filters on this list and to my knowledge there 
> >> never have been. The list software isn't that "smart".
> >> 
> >> Using the list for social experiments is not acceptable. As for "rules", 
> >> while there are few explicitly stated, we have had enough trouble with 
> >> contentious issues that any list member should have a solid grasp of what 
> >> is and what isn't acceptable subject matter.  If anyone has a question 
> >> about that, they can address it to myself or Kaleb.
> >> 
> >> As to your concerns about the government's efforts to impose control, it 
> >> hasn't happened here. Your previous efforts to post such things have 
> >> failed due to their being addressed incorrectly, and as a result the list 
> >> software rejected them. I have seen them in the approval queue, and 
> >> considering the content inappropriate for the list, rejected them.  Had 
> >> you bothered to ask me about this I would have gladly explained. I have 
> >> neither the time nor inclination to address every rejected submission to 
> >> the list.  If someone's subscription goes awry, that's one thing. Seeing a 
> >> stream of forwarded messages on an occasional basis does not merit a 
> >> response.
> >> This is not the place for a social experiment. This is a list for 
> >> Mercedes' enthusiasts. Let's keep it that way, please.
> >> Again, if anyone has questions, take it private.
> >> Dan
> >> 
> >>> Gerry wrote:
> >>> I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the 
> >>> mercedes list. 
> >>> The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by 
> >>> several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to 
> >>> post a "failure to deliver" notice here in the hopes that some of the 
> >>> computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the 
> >>> message was blocked.
> >>> 
> >>> The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on 
> >>> the internet which are opposed by many, 

Re: [MBZ] TD

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Mitch,

I think one was an '81 that I test drove and didn't purchase (it
overheated), the other I don't remember.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
 On Oct 6, 2014 4:23 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> My father had an '83 240D automatic that I drove on a trip once, and it
>> seemed just fine to me.  A little slow off the line, but once you got
>> rolling it was a pleasure.  It must have been an unusual example, as I've
>> driven a couple others since then, and they were not nearly as fast.
>>
>
> How old were the others?
>
> The OM616/617 got bigger cam lobes for 1980 model year, so much bigger
> that they had to enlarge the cam bearing journals. So a perfectly running
> '83 should outrun a perfectly running '79.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Percocet is the Dom Perignon of pain medication.  I relied on it for both
my rotator cuff surgeries, L and R, 11 years apart

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Resist the urge to go cold turkey off those powerful pain meds.  Silly me,
> after I had both knees replaced at once I decided I could handle the pain
> and wanted to be off the drugs.  You need to taper off or you will feel
> really sick.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch
> Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 1:37 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was
> >  on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or
> >  care!
>
> The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half
> after I woke up.
> "Is this like Tylenol 3?"
> "It's a lot stronger"
> "Let's start with one then"
> "You get two"
>
> I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff.
> It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after.
>
> And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much
> post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand
> totally erect which puts a little tension on it.
> Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly
> more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics.
>
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Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Because that's the correct way!  Look it up.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm seeing it too, rando m s paces when Andrew writes SL C.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes ; Craig McCluskey <
> diese...@pisquared.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
>
>
> Must be your end Craig, Andrew's emails look fine too me.
>
> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Coughing?  No no, laughter is what REALLY hurts recovering from that
surgery.  Been there twice, brother.  First time was full deal, gave me a
nice long zipper scar.  Took a couple three days to feel safely mobile,
then a week of gingerly limping around the house.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Oct 6, 2014 4:01 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> (5 hours post-op and giving up all thoughts of suicide, except when I
cough.
> Don't ever cough the same day you have hernia surgery)
>
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[David & Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes]

On 10/6/2014 8:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
(snip)

 In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has 
R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be 
topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12.


 It is my understanding that one doesn't need a gauge set in this 
situation.  Aren't there bubbles showing in the sight glass if the 
system is low?  Adding refrigerant (with the compressor running) until 
the bubbles go away restores cooling.  Or at least that is the way I 
always did it.  I think.  It's been a long time.


 I'd go through and tighten all the connections first.

 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV


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Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Resist the urge to go cold turkey off those powerful pain meds.  Silly me,
after I had both knees replaced at once I decided I could handle the pain
and wanted to be off the drugs.  You need to taper off or you will feel
really sick.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch
Haley via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 1:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

> P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was
>  on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or
>  care!

The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half
after I woke up.
"Is this like Tylenol 3?"
"It's a lot stronger"
"Let's start with one then"
"You get two"

I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff.
It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after.

And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much
post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand
totally erect which puts a little tension on it.
Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly
more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content (Dan Penoff)

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It's all obama fault

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Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Mom wrote:
> When the wife had her hip replaced they've her the self-regulated morphine 
> drip.
>

Is this the new morphine drip list?
or, is this okiebenz
Where's the MB content...
Play nice, or you will be moderated like me and Gerry.
I can find controversey regarding morphine drip - shall we have at it?
ma

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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content (Dan Penoff)

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

AST wrote:
> I've been away for a few years, so am wondering what ever happened to the 
> Ritter/Easley List?
>

Alive, thriving.
mercedeslist.com
I believe this response will not make it to okiebenz - I am probably
being moderated...
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Re: [MBZ] We are ***!!

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> Don't we have a list for that kind of behavior? Go play games over there.
>

Yes, mom.
I am playing there to, real nicely.
ma

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Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

When the wife had her hip replaced they've her the self-regulated morphine 
drip. The only problem was that she couldn't sleep, since if she did she would 
wake up in pain and only be able to get the measured dose.

"How is your pain? Rate it on a scale of 1 to 10."

I think that was a mantra that every staff member in the hospital chanted when 
the met you. Not a bad thing at all, just sort of weird to me (I've never been 
admitted to a hospital or had surgery since I was about 7 years old.)

Dan

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> On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You have to stay ahead of the pain.  Follow the doc's orders as to how often 
> and how much.  If you don't take the meds the pain will get a LOT worse then 
> you will be playing catch-up which is not pleasant.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 10/6/14 4:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was
>>> on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or
>>> care!
>> 
>> The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half 
>> after I woke up.
>> "Is this like Tylenol 3?"
>> "It's a lot stronger"
>> "Let's start with one then"
>> "You get two"
>> 
>> I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff.
>> It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after.
>> 
>> And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much 
>> post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand 
>> totally erect which puts a little tension on it.
>> Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly 
>> more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics.
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly.

I have talked to a number of SL owners who swear by the difference in drive 
ability with larger diameter wheels with wider tires, but I'm wondering if it's 
really worth it.

I will say that the sting is not quite as bad when I figure in the cost of the 
wheels. They were take-offs from a brand new SL that I picked up off of 
Craigslist for $300.

Dan

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> On Oct 6, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:45:02 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I have a set of stock alloys from a 2003 SL that are waiting to go on
>> my 97 SL500. They're staggered 18" wheels, 8" in the front and 9" in
>> the back.
>> 
>> I've been pricing a matched set of tires for them and the prices are
>> enough to make me choke.  I'll easily have $1000 or more in tires alone
>> when I put them into service. Ouch!
> 
> Ouch, indeed!!!
> 
> I guess I won't complain about tires in the $400 ballpark ...
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:48:29 -0400 Rich Thomas via Mercedes
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> You have to stay ahead of the pain.  Follow the doc's orders as to how 
> often and how much.  If you don't take the meds the pain will get a LOT 
> worse then you will be playing catch-up which is not pleasant.

Yes, what he said.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You have to stay ahead of the pain.  Follow the doc's orders as to how 
often and how much.  If you don't take the meds the pain will get a LOT 
worse then you will be playing catch-up which is not pleasant.


--R


On 10/6/14 4:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Craig via Mercedes wrote:


P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was
 on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or
 care!


The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a 
half after I woke up.

"Is this like Tylenol 3?"
"It's a lot stronger"
"Let's start with one then"
"You get two"

I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff.
It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after.

And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much 
post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I 
stand totally erect which puts a little tension on it.
Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. 
Slightly more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:23:00 -0700 Jim Cathey 
wrote:

> > Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?
> 
> We do, when caravanning.  I acquired (via thrift shop over time)
> four Uniden 510XL (?) and magnetic antennae.  They're a bit large
> and clunky, but they work well and have good range, and are
> loud enough that the whole car can hear.  Cigarette lighter power,
> no batteries to feed.
> 
> And _nobody_ is going to want to steal them.


We now have:

a Royce whatever-it-is (from freecycle)
a President Washington AM/SSB base station (from freecycle)
a Cobra 19 DXII ($9.99 + shipping from ebay)

I don't know how desirable they will be to someone snooping.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Craig via Mercedes wrote:


P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was
 on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or
 care!


The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half after I 
woke up.

"Is this like Tylenol 3?"
"It's a lot stronger"
"Let's start with one then"
"You get two"

I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff.
It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after.

And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much post-surgery 
pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand totally erect which 
puts a little tension on it.
Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly more 
than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] We are ***!!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

It is not so much topic as tone. Banned might be an option for some of
these conversations.  YMMV
On Oct 6, 2014 1:08 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Don't we have a list for that kind of behavior? Go play games over there.
>
> -Curt
> Who has refrained from talking about the metalwork he did yesterday on the
> Jetta to keep things "on topic".
>
>
> 
>  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:03 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] We are ***!!
>
>
> Dan wrote:
> > I totally agree with the "we are all adults here"
>
> Thanks, mom - but ***-off.
> If we are adults here, let us kill each other.
> I agree with Gerry - ban me also, if you will.
> ma
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Re: [MBZ] TD

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

My father had an '83 240D automatic that I drove on a trip once, and it
seemed just fine to me.  A little slow off the line, but once you got
rolling it was a pleasure.  It must have been an unusual example, as I've
driven a couple others since then, and they were not nearly as fast.


How old were the others?

The OM616/617 got bigger cam lobes for 1980 model year, so much bigger that they 
had to enlarge the cam bearing journals. So a perfectly running '83 should 
outrun a perfectly running '79.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 15:58:00 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> (5 hours post-op and giving up all thoughts of suicide, except when I
> cough. Don't ever cough the same day you have hernia surgery)

Speak about "Ouch!"

You probably have heard the old saw, "On day 2, you are afraid you will
die. On day 3, you are afraid you won't."

May you heal quickly and well.


Craig

P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was
 on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or
 care!

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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Current quotes on 42 lbs. of R12 are running in the $3000+ range..


Here I was, thinking it was ridiculous that about ten years ago a refrigerant 
supplier quoted me something like $300 for a 20 or 30lb cylinder of R290, which 
was more than I paid for R134a in the 12oz cans at the time.


You can't get a 30lb of R12 for $500 or less?
Last I knew (several years ago) the price of R12 was dropping due to the fact 
that nobody wanted it any more.


Mitch
(5 hours post-op and giving up all thoughts of suicide, except when I cough.
Don't ever cough the same day you have hernia surgery)

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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


Mercedes content:  I just purchased a new Mercedes [to me new] which uses
R12. The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill.


42lb???
My HOUSE takes 121 ounces of 410A.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Convoy

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3VN54M1OXA

--R


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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:45:02 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I have a set of stock alloys from a 2003 SL that are waiting to go on
> my 97 SL500. They're staggered 18" wheels, 8" in the front and 9" in
> the back.
> 
> I've been pricing a matched set of tires for them and the prices are
> enough to make me choke.  I'll easily have $1000 or more in tires alone
> when I put them into service. Ouch!

Ouch, indeed!!!

I guess I won't complain about tires in the $400 ballpark ...


Craig

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[MBZ] Convoy

[Van Knutson via Mercedes]

Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?

I was thinking about our planned caravan to Indiana with three vehicles
(me driving our Big Red Van [BRV (tm)] towing our utility trailer, Shirley
driving our E320, and my brother driving a rental truck towing our
240D/3.0), and realized that cell phones wouldn't work too well. It
occurred to me that CB radios would be better, allowing the two other
people to hear what one was saying.

I have located three CB radios, four* from our local freecycle group for
free and one from a $10 eBay auction, but I don't know if they work
because I don't have any antennas.

Any suggestions on antennas?

Thanks,

Craig


***
You are overthinking it.  Todd and i used to go on road trips using a pair of 
hand held walkies. They don't have the legs CB's do, but if you don't get 
separated by more than a few miles, they work just fine.  Bring an extra set of 
AA batteries to refresh, and you are good to go. Turn 'em off every time you 
pull off for a gas or pee break. 

PLus, they are newly manufactured stock, cheap ($30+ for a pair -- get the 
highest rated wattage output you can find for a reasonable price), and you 
don't have to worry about electronics from the Jimmy Carter administration.

DBV, we got ourselves a convoy information minister
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Re: [MBZ] a better deal R-12

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Risky.  3/4 full of what?  I guess the price reflects the risk.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Ok!  Never mind my other email.

Sounds like one should first pressurize the system with dry nitrogen to
test for leaks, bleed that off, then fill with ES.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Oct 6, 2014 1:41 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
>
> ‎Original Message
> From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:54 AM
> To: Mercedes
> Reply To: Meade Dillon
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
>
> >Any tips or tricks when adding the >hydrocarbon stuff?  Did you pull a
> >vacuum prior to putting it in, or >top up the system?
>
> No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes
off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of
the compressor getting a "slug" of liquid refrigerant.
>
> Rick
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have a set of stock alloys from a 2003 SL that are waiting to go on my 97 
SL500. They're staggered 18" wheels, 8" in the front and 9" in the back.

I've been pricing a matched set of tires for them and the prices are enough to 
make me choke.  I'll easily have $1000 or more in tires alone when I put them 
into service. Ouch!

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 6, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
> 
> My "old" car now is an '05 E320 with 160K on the clock. SWMBO was driving it 
> 65 miles a day round trip all surface streets to work. I drove it for the 
> first time in about 4 months last week. I could feel the transmission mounts 
> failing. Going to go to the indy about an hour to get transmission mounts, 
> motor mounts, transmission service, correct the seepage where the electrical 
> connection hooks into the transmission, and get the oil changed. 
> SWMBO just took a job 2.5 miles from our house. So, I think I'll drive the 
> E320 the 85 rt a day and let her drive the CLK to work That will save me 
> some sweet moolah on those damn expensive tires.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Speaking of Asian cars, I think my favorite Asian car bar none is the first
generation Acura legends.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

My "old" car now is an '05 E320 with 160K on the clock. SWMBO was driving
it 65 miles a day round trip all surface streets to work. I drove it for
the first time in about 4 months last week. I could feel the transmission
mounts failing. Going to go to the indy about an hour to get transmission
mounts, motor mounts, transmission service, correct the seepage where the
electrical connection hooks into the transmission, and get the oil changed.
SWMBO just took a job 2.5 miles from our house. So, I think I'll drive the
E320 the 85 rt a day and let her drive the CLK to work That will save
me some sweet moolah on those damn expensive tires.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP Malfunction Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed. Low batteries and/or battery voltage wreaks havoc in the W140s and 
R126s. Being that they're the same vintage as your car, I'm suspecting the 
same.  Be sure to have the battery load tested, as that can reveal things like 
a bad cell.

Dan

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> On Oct 6, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Charge the battery and see if that helps, could all be related...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> From: Robert Koziak via Mercedes 
> To: d...@penoff.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP 
> Malfunction Question
> 
> 
> 
> I haven't has time to pull the wheels and clean the sensors. Running the car 
> for 250 miles didn't clear up the issue either.  I read that a low battery 
> might have caused the issue so I am going to test the battery and alternator 
> tonight.  
> 
> I am at work and was advised that my car had a muffled alarm noise coming 
> from under the hood.  When I checked there was a low alarm noise (varying in 
> pitch, intensity and duration) coming from under the hood around the fuse box 
> but I couldn't pin point it.   It was sporadic and happened when the car was 
> both off and with the engine running.  
> 
> Suddenly it stopped about an hour ago.  Any ideas on what this could be?  
> Related to the ABS/ESP malfunctions?  Battery issue?  Where is the alarm 
> siren located?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes List 
> Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 7:03 am
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP Malfunction Question
> 
> 
> If the wheel sensors are cruddy and you clean them up, yes, the system will 
> reset itself and clear the codes after driving for a bit.
> 
> Dan 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Robert Koziak  wrote:
>> 
>> Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean 

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Re: [MBZ] freon 12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It has been my experience with the W124 chassis cars that converting to R134a 
results in pretty poor performance. At least in this part of the world.

Anyone know what a "parallel flow" condenser is? The wife's 2005 Mazda 6 has 
one. No sight glass, either, so I'm not sure how you can tell how much of a 
charge it has.

She complains that it starts blowing warm at idle, at a stop light, for 
example. Pressures aren't bad, but I don't want to overcharge it. Condenser is 
clean and the fans is blowing, so I don't think that's the problem.

Dan

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> On Oct 6, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks 
> 
> i swear by R12
> 
> i love it in my 300td
> 
> here's some on ebay
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?clk_rvr_id=709025282435&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_BIN=1&_nkw=freon+12+30+lbs&_sop=15
> 
> there is usually a lot of it on craigslist
> 
> here's some for $15 per pound in atlanta
> 
> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/tls/4698960276.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP Malfunction Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Charge the battery and see if that helps, could all be related...

-Curt



 From: Robert Koziak via Mercedes 
To: d...@penoff.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP 
Malfunction Question
 


I haven't has time to pull the wheels and clean the sensors. Running the car 
for 250 miles didn't clear up the issue either.  I read that a low battery 
might have caused the issue so I am going to test the battery and alternator 
tonight.  

I am at work and was advised that my car had a muffled alarm noise coming from 
under the hood.  When I checked there was a low alarm noise (varying in pitch, 
intensity and duration) coming from under the hood around the fuse box but I 
couldn't pin point it.   It was sporadic and happened when the car was both off 
and with the engine running.  

Suddenly it stopped about an hour ago.  Any ideas on what this could be?  
Related to the ABS/ESP malfunctions?  Battery issue?  Where is the alarm siren 
located?

Thanks in advance.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes List 
Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 7:03 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP Malfunction Question


If the wheel sensors are cruddy and you clean them up, yes, the system will 
reset itself and clear the codes after driving for a bit.

Dan 


> On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Robert Koziak  wrote:
> 
> Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean 
the sensors?  Will correcting the issue automatically reset the warnings?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes List 
> Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 6:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP Malfunction Question
> 
> I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to 
> make 

> sure there's nothing crudding them up.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes 
>  

> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Guys,
> > 
> > 
> >I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 
> > 5 

> months attached to a trickle charger.  I decided to take it out for a ride 
> today.  Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console 
along 
> with the "amber" abs light.  I drove it for a mile and the the brakes 
> appeared 

> normal but I parked it anyway.  
> > 
> > 
> >The car was running great when I stored it.  Any ideas on what to check 
> first?   Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue?
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > 
> > Bob K
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Fmiser via Mercedes]

> Craig wrote:
>
> Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?

Yeah - I have a CB radios - and use em.

> Rich wrote:
>
> Just buy some of those little hand-held radios, they are cheap and some have 
> quite
> good range, certainly enough for car-car.

Those little FRS radios work, but are a pain because they aren't loud
enough and
the range is crummy with the tiny antenna inside the car.  You can be
out of range
before the car is out of sight.

> Craig wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on antennas?

There are magnet mount antennas that are quick and easy to install.
With CB, 1/4 wave is _long_ (11 meter wavelength) so in general a longer
antenna is a better one.  But with magnet mount, too long means it's prone
to wind un-mounting. *smiles*

Wilson makes good antennas, if you are wanting to invest.


For short term, one trip I'd just get something that isn't expensive.



Be aware the rental truck _may_ have a fiberglass (or other
non-metallic material)
body that a magnet won't "stick" to nor will act as a ground plane for
the antenna.
There are balanced antennas, often called "no ground plane antennas"
available - but
that doesn't help with the mounting.

> Is there any benefit from contact with truckers (road conditions, et al.)
> that CB radio would afford?

Maybe.  Almost every big truck has a radio.  In the last few years,
most of those
seem to be turned off.  It's becoming rare to find a driver with his
radio on.  But if
there is trouble (congestion, lane closed, etc) the band becomes
active.  Finding
out which lane is close, or how long the backup, etc can be handy.
Channel 19 is the the "highway channel" pretty much everywhere except the
west coast.

A agree with Jim that the Uniden 510 is a good radio.  It's one of my favorite
small-form CBs.  It's big brother the 520 has more control, but is hard to find.

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[MBZ] a better deal R-12

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

this is a deal

http://nwga.craigslist.org/mat/4663010816.html

but 90 miles away, more or less


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Original Message  
From: Craig via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Craig
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:41:22 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

>> Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff?  Did you pull a
>> vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system?
> 
> No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes
> off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance
> of the compressor getting a "slug" of liquid refrigerant. 

>Could one not add (part of) a can >to a system with a hard (well, as >hard
>as you can get on an A/C system) >vacuum with the engine off? That >way when
>starting the engine and the A/C >compressor, it wouldn't be a >vacuum, but
>no air and moisture would have >been introduced into the system.


‎I would assume so. I will ask the guy at Enviro-Safe via email this evening. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:41:22 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

>> Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff?  Did you pull a
>> vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system?
> 
> No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes
> off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance
> of the compressor getting a "slug" of liquid refrigerant. 

Could one not add (part of) a can to a system with a hard (well, as hard
as you can get on an A/C system) vacuum with the engine off? That way when
starting the engine and the A/C compressor, it wouldn't be a vacuum, but
no air and moisture would have been introduced into the system.


Craig

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[MBZ] freon 12

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

Folks 

i swear by R12

i love it in my 300td

here's some on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?clk_rvr_id=709025282435&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_BIN=1&_nkw=freon+12+30+lbs&_sop=15

there is usually a lot of it on craigslist

here's some for $15 per pound in atlanta

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/tls/4698960276.html




thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP Malfunction Question

[Robert Koziak via Mercedes]

I haven't has time to pull the wheels and clean the sensors. Running the car 
for 250 miles didn't clear up the issue either.  I read that a low battery 
might have caused the issue so I am going to test the battery and alternator 
tonight.  
 
I am at work and was advised that my car had a muffled alarm noise coming from 
under the hood.  When I checked there was a low alarm noise (varying in pitch, 
intensity and duration) coming from under the hood around the fuse box but I 
couldn't pin point it.   It was sporadic and happened when the car was both off 
and with the engine running.  

Suddenly it stopped about an hour ago.  Any ideas on what this could be?  
Related to the ABS/ESP malfunctions?  Battery issue?  Where is the alarm siren 
located?

Thanks in advance.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes List 
Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 7:03 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP Malfunction Question


If the wheel sensors are cruddy and you clean them up, yes, the system will 
reset itself and clear the codes after driving for a bit.

Dan 


> On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Robert Koziak  wrote:
> 
> Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean 
the sensors?  Will correcting the issue automatically reset the warnings?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes List 
> Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 6:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS & ESP Malfunction Question
> 
> I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to 
> make 

> sure there's nothing crudding them up.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes 
>  

> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Guys,
> > 
> > 
> >I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 
> > 5 

> months attached to a trickle charger.  I decided to take it out for a ride 
> today.  Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console 
along 
> with the "amber" abs light.  I drove it for a mile and the the brakes 
> appeared 

> normal but I parked it anyway.  
> > 
> > 
> >The car was running great when I stored it.  Any ideas on what to check 
> first?   Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue?
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > 
> > Bob K
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

‎Original Message  
From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:54 AM
To: Mercedes
Reply To: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

>Any tips or tricks when adding the >hydrocarbon stuff?  Did you pull a
>vacuum prior to putting it in, or >top up the system?

No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off 
into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the 
compressor getting a "slug" of liquid refrigerant. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I remember taking a bus trip to Virginia in High School, the bus driver 
listened to the CB all the way down. I remember hearing the truckers sing some 
very bawdy songs...

-Curt



 From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
 

I have heard some great jokes on the CB, late at night, from truckers 
out in the middle of nowhere.

Of course, they might not be Approved for All Audiences...

--R


On 10/6/14 1:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> Yes, the truckers call out all the speed traps, accidents, construction,
> etc.
>
> Also, if one is hogging the left lane and taking ten minutes to pass
> another truck going just .5 mph slower, you can mimic as another truck and
> request him or her to hurry it up and let you by.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I have heard some great jokes on the CB, late at night, from truckers 
out in the middle of nowhere.


Of course, they might not be Approved for All Audiences...

--R


On 10/6/14 1:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, the truckers call out all the speed traps, accidents, construction,
etc.

Also, if one is hogging the left lane and taking ten minutes to pass
another truck going just .5 mph slower, you can mimic as another truck and
request him or her to hurry it up and let you by.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] We are ***!!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Don't we have a list for that kind of behavior? Go play games over there.

-Curt
Who has refrained from talking about the metalwork he did yesterday on the 
Jetta to keep things "on topic".



 From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:03 PM
Subject: [MBZ] We are ***!!
 

Dan wrote:
> I totally agree with the "we are all adults here"

Thanks, mom - but ***-off.
If we are adults here, let us kill each other.
I agree with Gerry - ban me also, if you will.
ma

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Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm seeing it too, rando m s paces when Andrew writes SL C.

-Curt



 From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes ; Craig McCluskey  
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
 

Must be your end Craig, Andrew's emails look fine too me.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC



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[MBZ] We are ***!!

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Dan wrote:
> I totally agree with the "we are all adults here"

Thanks, mom - but ***-off.
If we are adults here, let us kill each other.
I agree with Gerry - ban me also, if you will.
ma

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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, the truckers call out all the speed traps, accidents, construction,
etc.

Also, if one is hogging the left lane and taking ten minutes to pass
another truck going just .5 mph slower, you can mimic as another truck and
request him or her to hurry it up and let you by.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Must be your end Craig, Andrew's emails look fine too me.

Max Dillon,
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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content (Dan Penoff)

[Addison Thompson via Mercedes]

I've been away for a few years, so am wondering what ever happened to the 
Ritter/Easley List?
AST
CL500
300E


From: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content
Date: October 6, 2014 8:16:24 AM PDT
To: Mercedes List 


Dan, who was one of the original members of the mbz.org lists and a founding 
member of the Ritter list
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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:57:03 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:

> Just buy some of those little hand-held radios, they are cheap and some 
> have quite good range, certainly enough for car-car.  Then you don't 
> have the hassle of installs and all that.  I have seen them at El 
> Mercado de Wal and outdoor/sports shops.

GMRS requires a license unless you want to be a "Bubble Bandit". FMRS
doesn't require a license.

Is there any benefit from contact with truckers (road conditions, et al.)
that CB radio would afford?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:08:20 +0400 astrasfogel--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> I bought a 78 SL C for cheap that had several broken linkage  bushings.
  ^
  |
 Why the space? --|

I've noticed it on other emails, too.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?


We do, when caravanning.  I acquired (via thrift shop over time)
four Uniden 510XL (?) and magnetic antennae.  They're a bit large
and clunky, but they work well and have good range, and are
loud enough that the whole car can hear.  Cigarette lighter power,
no batteries to feed.

And _nobody_ is going to want to steal them.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD

[astrasfogel--- via Mercedes]

I bought a 78 SL C for cheap that had several broken linkage  bushings. Very 
poky-  top speed was 45 mph IIRC. ..
--
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Monday, 06 October 2014, 07:34AM -0400 from MG via Mercedes 
:
Having that linkage break while driving would not be my favorite
thing in the world. That sounds like a very nice emergency fix. I
hope to remember it if I ever need it.
Manfred
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:17:40 -0500
From: "M. Mitchell Marmel" < marme...@gmail.com
 > > Had fun for about an hour this morning. I fixed the
accelerator linkage on
 > > the firewall of the red TD.
Had that happen on a 450SEL-on the side of the interstate!  No
good atall.
Wound up sticking in a small socket in lieu of the bushing, which
held me
until I got home and could order a replacement...
-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Just buy some of those little hand-held radios, they are cheap and some 
have quite good range, certainly enough for car-car.  Then you don't 
have the hassle of installs and all that.  I have seen them at El 
Mercado de Wal and outdoor/sports shops.


--R


On 10/6/14 11:47 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?

I was thinking about our planned caravan to Indiana with three vehicles
(me driving our Big Red Van [BRV (tm)] towing our utility trailer, Shirley
driving our E320, and my brother driving a rental truck towing our
240D/3.0), and realized that cell phones wouldn't work too well. It
occurred to me that CB radios would be better, allowing the two other
people to hear what one was saying.

I have located three CB radios, four* from our local freecycle group for
free and one from a $10 eBay auction, but I don't know if they work
because I don't have any antennas.

Any suggestions on antennas?

Thanks,


Craig


* two of the four are the crystal-controlled handi-talkie type, being a
battery-powered box about 5x5x16" with a whip antenna that pulls out of
the top -- definitely unsuitable for use in a vehicle. Anybody want one?

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Re: [MBZ] Someone in IL needs this 116

[astrasfogel--- via Mercedes]

They were never badged as "450SE L 6,9". Just 6.9 on lower right corner of 
trunk lid,  sometimes with 450 SE L as well on the left corner
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Saturday, 04 October 2014, 04:56PM -0400 from Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
:
Exactly.  The car is a 450SEL (long wheel base W116) with a 6.9L
instead of a 4.5L V8.  This is standard MB badging -- if the W116 had
originally had the 6.9 as designed, it would be badged as a 690SEL.
Fat chance on that, there was a very substantial difference in price
point, that 6.9L is VERY expensive.
Obviously there are other diffrerences, but MB names the car line by
the original engine size (4.5L = 450, etc) as a rule, then later
modifications will get a badge on the right side.
Hence a 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel for the 5 cylinder 2.5L turbocharged
engine in the W124 chassis, which originally had the 3.0L OM603
instead of the 2.5L OM602.
Just how MB names cars.
Peter
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[MBZ] OT: CB Radios

[Craig via Mercedes]

Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?

I was thinking about our planned caravan to Indiana with three vehicles
(me driving our Big Red Van [BRV (tm)] towing our utility trailer, Shirley
driving our E320, and my brother driving a rental truck towing our
240D/3.0), and realized that cell phones wouldn't work too well. It
occurred to me that CB radios would be better, allowing the two other
people to hear what one was saying.

I have located three CB radios, four* from our local freecycle group for
free and one from a $10 eBay auction, but I don't know if they work
because I don't have any antennas.

Any suggestions on antennas?

Thanks,


Craig


* two of the four are the crystal-controlled handi-talkie type, being a
battery-powered box about 5x5x16" with a whip antenna that pulls out of
the top -- definitely unsuitable for use in a vehicle. Anybody want one?

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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Really? I figure any junk asian car you buy today to last 200,000 miles at 
LEAST. The rust prevention is better and the electronics are all vastly more 
robust even if they are black box type.

Purportedly the average age of today's fleet is 11 years. Looking just at 
Toyota Tundra pickups I'd believe it, they changed body styles in 2007 and 
there are a ton of the older ones around.

-Curt



 From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
To: Bob Rentfro ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
 

> In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my 
> '77
> 240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was 
> nuts
> each time.

Expect to see that attitude get worse.  I believe we've already
experienced the service longevity peak, and that the mileage
expectation of our national fleet will go _down_ from here.

More complex application-specific parts will be to blame.
Once the official line of spares is exhausted, these vehicles
will be rendered permanently hors du combat.

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my 
'77
240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was 
nuts

each time.


Expect to see that attitude get worse.  I believe we've already
experienced the service longevity peak, and that the mileage
expectation of our national fleet will go _down_ from here.

More complex application-specific parts will be to blame.
Once the official line of spares is exhausted, these vehicles
will be rendered permanently hors du combat.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I did a run from San Francisco to Tampa in 1998 in my 300SD, a couple of days 
running almost non-stop for probably 15 hours or more.  The car never missed a 
beat.

I would do the same in any of my current cars, even though they are vergassers. 
 Two of them have over 266k on them.

Dan

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> On Oct 6, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my '77
> 240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was nuts
> each time.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

pics of the beast plzz

--
On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this
project... ;)))

If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes
motor coach and ask them to "help you work on it".. hahaha..

Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons ..
Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big..
Grant...



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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There is no censoring on this list. If a user isn't moderated their posts go 
right to the list.

I totally agree with the "we are all adults here", however, it was clear from 
the beginning that people were getting riled up on the subject. While we do a 
fairly good job of moderating ourselves, I stepped in in order to prevent this 
from going totally in the tank. I would rather err on the side of caution than 
have the list degrade into a verbal free for all.  Along these lines, I 
received many private messages expressing concern about the thread within 
minutes of it posting, which tells me the issue is contentious.

Dan, who was one of the original members of the mbz.org lists and a founding 
member of the Ritter list

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> On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:53 AM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Without dragging this on any further, just let me say that Kalebs method of 
> running a list which assumed that list members were mature adults who could 
> use their delete key if they disliked a submission, and your method which 
> requires that each member must avoid any subject that "he guesses" might 
> upset another member; are quite different. As far as I knew, the only banned 
> subject was politics, and what I wrote was not about politics; it was about 
> the freedom of communication on the world-wide-web; something that millions 
> of internet users are highly concerned about.
> 
> As far as this being "a Mercedes list" we both know anything and everything 
> gets discussed here.
> 
> In short, am I going to try and censor myself?  No.
> If I submit something which you don't think is suitable for this list, then 
> censor it; I probably won't even notice that you have. If you so desire, 
> remove me from the list; you're the moderator.
> 
> Gerrywho has been on this list since it was based in Canada.
> ...
> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Gerry,
>> First of all, if you had questions about filtering, you should have 
>> addressed them to either myself or Kaleb privately. Attempting to post 
>> something you expect to create dissent or of a highly contentious nature to 
>> "see if there were filters for such issues" is simply wrong.
>> 
>> Had you bothered to contact myself or Kaleb we would have gladly explained 
>> that there are no content filters on this list and to my knowledge there 
>> never have been. The list software isn't that "smart".
>> 
>> Using the list for social experiments is not acceptable. As for "rules", 
>> while there are few explicitly stated, we have had enough trouble with 
>> contentious issues that any list member should have a solid grasp of what is 
>> and what isn't acceptable subject matter.  If anyone has a question about 
>> that, they can address it to myself or Kaleb.
>> 
>> As to your concerns about the government's efforts to impose control, it 
>> hasn't happened here. Your previous efforts to post such things have failed 
>> due to their being addressed incorrectly, and as a result the list software 
>> rejected them. I have seen them in the approval queue, and considering the 
>> content inappropriate for the list, rejected them.  Had you bothered to ask 
>> me about this I would have gladly explained. I have neither the time nor 
>> inclination to address every rejected submission to the list.  If someone's 
>> subscription goes awry, that's one thing. Seeing a stream of forwarded 
>> messages on an occasional basis does not merit a response.
>> This is not the place for a social experiment. This is a list for Mercedes' 
>> enthusiasts. Let's keep it that way, please.
>> Again, if anyone has questions, take it private.
>> Dan
>> 
>>> Gerry wrote:
>>> I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes 
>>> list. 
>>> The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by 
>>> several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post 
>>> a "failure to deliver" notice here in the hopes that some of the computer 
>>> experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was 
>>> blocked.
>>> 
>>> The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on 
>>> the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. 
>>> 
>>> It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because 
>>> of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes.
>>> Personally, I have a "wait and see" attitude toward "global warming"; 
>>> especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about 
>>> global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused 
>>> us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes 
>>> content.)
>>> Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist.
>>> 
> Peter wrote:
>> This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda.
>> You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the
>> internet before 

Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my '77
240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was nuts
each time.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Would have to figure out an "in flight" refueling system (for both car and
crew), dual controls to make crew rotation easier, "waste" disposal, and
probably a dry sump engine design to facilitate oil changes, using a dual
tank design so the off-duty tank of old oil could be emptied and refilled
with fresh oil.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Oct 6, 2014 11:01 AM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:
>
> At 50 mph, 24x7x365 that would be only 2 years, 3 months, 12 days, 2
> hours, 1 minute, 54.4 seconds!
>
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That's what I would figure. It's all in the lines just to traverse the coach. 
That's a lot of volume.

Dan

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> On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :)
> 
> Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a 
> motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be 
> almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
> 
> That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 
> 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, 
> too.
> 
> Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot.
> 
> I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I 
> don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either...
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> >> The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
> >> this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing 
> >> refill.
> > 
> > This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you
> > subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude!  :-)
> > 
> > I believe a decade or so is a long enough test.  That quantity
> > would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial
> > HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get
> > it in those BBQ-tank sized containers.
> > 
> > I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well.
> > 
> > -- Jim
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:13:58 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Its fun to tell non-believers about a long trip in an older car.
> 
> Tell 'em it takes a few years to rack up the
> million miles or so they are capable of.  Only
> so many driving hours in a day...

At 50 mph, 24x7x365 that would be only 2 years, 3 months, 12 days, 2
hours, 1 minute, 54.4 seconds!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

So enquiring minds what to know, how big an engine? I'm going to guess 10l 
diesel pusher.

Pictures, the snowmobile guys always say "Indy loves pics!"

-Curt



 From: G Mann 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
 


All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this 
project... ;)))


If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor 
coach and ask them to "help you work on it".. hahaha.. 


Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. 
Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. 

Grant...





On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :)
>
>Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a 
>motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be 
>almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane...
>
>-Curt
>
>
>
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
>
>
>
>That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 
>PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too.
>
>Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot.
>
>I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I 
>don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either...
>
>Dan
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>wrote:
>
>>> The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
>>> this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill.
>>
>> This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you
>> subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude!  :-)
>>
>> I believe a decade or so is a long enough test.  That quantity
>> would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial
>> HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get
>> it in those BBQ-tank sized containers.
>>
>> I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well.
>>
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[G Mann via Mercedes]

All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this
project... ;)))

If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes
motor coach and ask them to "help you work on it".. hahaha..

Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons ..
Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big..
Grant...

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :)
>
> Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a
> motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would
> be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
>
>
> That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to
> 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here,
> too.
>
> Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot.
>
> I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however,
> I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either...
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >> The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
> >> this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing
> refill.
> >
> > This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you
> > subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude!  :-)
> >
> > I believe a decade or so is a long enough test.  That quantity
> > would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial
> > HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get
> > it in those BBQ-tank sized containers.
> >
> > I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :)

Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a 
motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be 
almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane...

-Curt



 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
 

That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 
PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too.

Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot.

I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I 
don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either...

Dan

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On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
>> this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill.
> 
> This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you
> subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude!  :-)
> 
> I believe a decade or so is a long enough test.  That quantity
> would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial
> HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get
> it in those BBQ-tank sized containers.
> 
> I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Current quotes on 42 lbs. of R12 are running in the $3000+ range.. so.. I
like your comment of charging the system with nitrogen first. The vehicle
came with a full set of huge AC vac pumps and filters to charge the
system.. package deal.

And yes, I did both a double take.. and a double check.. it really does
hold 42 lbs.. "Ouch"...  "Go big or Go home".. hahah...

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wasn't there some concern that the BBQ tank gas weren't dry enough for
> this kind of job? I'd presume a 42 lb system would have a pretty dammed
> significant dryer though.
>
> You want to talk chance of fire, I'm not sure how excited I'd be to drive
> around with 10+ gallons of high pressure hydrocarbons but R134a burns
> pretty good so I guess it can't be that big a deal...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
>  From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
>
>
> > The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
> > this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing
> > refill.
>
> This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you
> subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude!  :-)
>
> I believe a decade or so is a long enough test.  That quantity
> would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial
> HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get
> it in those BBQ-tank sized containers.
>
> I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Wasn't there some concern that the BBQ tank gas weren't dry enough for this 
kind of job? I'd presume a 42 lb system would have a pretty dammed significant 
dryer though.

You want to talk chance of fire, I'm not sure how excited I'd be to drive 
around with 10+ gallons of high pressure hydrocarbons but R134a burns pretty 
good so I guess it can't be that big a deal...

-Curt



 From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
 

> The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
> this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing 
> refill.

This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you
subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude!  :-)

I believe a decade or so is a long enough test.  That quantity
would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial
HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get
it in those BBQ-tank sized containers.

I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well.

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

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That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 
PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too.

Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot.

I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I 
don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either...

Dan

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On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
>> this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill.
> 
> This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you
> subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude!  :-)
> 
> I believe a decade or so is a long enough test.  That quantity
> would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial
> HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get
> it in those BBQ-tank sized containers.
> 
> I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing 
refill.


This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you
subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude!  :-)

I believe a decade or so is a long enough test.  That quantity
would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial
HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get
it in those BBQ-tank sized containers.

I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Its fun to tell non-believers about a long trip in an older car.


Tell 'em it takes a few years to rack up the
million miles or so they are capable of.  Only
so many driving hours in a day...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[G Mann via Mercedes]

There you go... global warming issues linked to Mercedes content... Well
now.. First "social comment" . I believe recent studies of the ozone layer
have shown the removal of R12 from use has had little effect on the ozone
layer, if any. Leading to the likely conclusion that bad science was the
cause of bad social engineering by government.
End of personal comment;

Mercedes content:  I just purchased a new Mercedes [to me new] which uses
R12. The R12 charge for my "new Mercedes" is 42 lbs. Thus, I have "skin in
this game" because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill.

It is a  Mercedes built Setra bus, 40 ft long, curb weight 44,900 lbs. And
no, it can not be converted to 134 easily.
It is 1988 manufacture, so it even qualifies as an "old Mercedes" ... and
no Gary.. I doubt you have parts for it.. but if you do.. contact me.

I would be keenly interested in constructive experience with alternate and
cheaper materials that preform as well as R12.

[Custom motor coach, for those interested]

Grant...

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>
> Gerry wrote:
> I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes
> list.
> The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by
> several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post
> a "failure to deliver" notice here in the hopes that some of the computer
> experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was
> blocked.
>
> The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on
> the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing.
>
> It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because
> of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes.
> Personally, I have a "wait and see" attitude toward "global warming";
> especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about
> global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused
> us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes
> content.)
> Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist.
>
> > > Peter wrote:
> > > > This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing
> agenda.
> > > > You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the
> > > > internet before you do due diligence.
> ..
> > > Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and
> am
> > > on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the
> > > mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is
> > > that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is
> actually
> > > happening.
> > >
> > > From a posting on that list,
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff?  Did you pull a
vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system?

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Without dragging this on any further, just let me say that Kalebs method of 
running a list which assumed that list members were mature adults who could use 
their delete key if they disliked a submission, and your method which requires 
that each member must avoid any subject that "he guesses" might upset another 
member; are quite different. As far as I knew, the only banned subject was 
politics, and what I wrote was not about politics; it was about the freedom of 
communication on the world-wide-web; something that millions of internet users 
are highly concerned about.

As far as this being "a Mercedes list" we both know anything and everything 
gets discussed here.

In short, am I going to try and censor myself?  No.
If I submit something which you don't think is suitable for this list, then 
censor it; I probably won't even notice that you have. If you so desire, remove 
me from the list; you're the moderator.

Gerrywho has been on this list since it was based in Canada.
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> First of all, if you had questions about filtering, you should have addressed 
> them to either myself or Kaleb privately. Attempting to post something you 
> expect to create dissent or of a highly contentious nature to "see if there 
> were filters for such issues" is simply wrong.
> 
> Had you bothered to contact myself or Kaleb we would have gladly explained 
> that there are no content filters on this list and to my knowledge there 
> never have been. The list software isn't that "smart".
> 
> Using the list for social experiments is not acceptable. As for "rules", 
> while there are few explicitly stated, we have had enough trouble with 
> contentious issues that any list member should have a solid grasp of what is 
> and what isn't acceptable subject matter.  If anyone has a question about 
> that, they can address it to myself or Kaleb.
> 
> As to your concerns about the government's efforts to impose control, it 
> hasn't happened here. Your previous efforts to post such things have failed 
> due to their being addressed incorrectly, and as a result the list software 
> rejected them. I have seen them in the approval queue, and considering the 
> content inappropriate for the list, rejected them.  Had you bothered to ask 
> me about this I would have gladly explained. I have neither the time nor 
> inclination to address every rejected submission to the list.  If someone's 
> subscription goes awry, that's one thing. Seeing a stream of forwarded 
> messages on an occasional basis does not merit a response.
> This is not the place for a social experiment. This is a list for Mercedes' 
> enthusiasts. Let's keep it that way, please.
> Again, if anyone has questions, take it private.
> Dan
> 
> > Gerry wrote:
> > I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes 
> > list. 
> > The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by 
> > several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post 
> > a "failure to deliver" notice here in the hopes that some of the computer 
> > experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was 
> > blocked.
> > 
> > The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on 
> > the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. 
> > 
> > It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because 
> > of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes.
> > Personally, I have a "wait and see" attitude toward "global warming"; 
> > especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about 
> > global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused 
> > us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes 
> > content.)
> > Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist.
> > 
> >>> Peter wrote:
>  This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda.
>  You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the
>  internet before you do due diligence.
> > ..
> >>> Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am
> >>> on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the
> >>> mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is
> >>> that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is actually
> >>> happening.
> >>> 
> >>> From a posting on that list,
> >>> --
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Re: [MBZ] The White Whale - soon to be sighted in the CHS area again

[Tim Crone via Mercedes]

On Oct 4, 2014 9:06 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> Mark Blevins in Columbia SC offers
> injector cleaning/testing/balancing for $20 per injector; he found that
two
> of the injector bodies were cracked, so I had to source two more used

Bummer, sorry about that.  If you want your non-inclined injectors back I'm
happy to oblige.

Glad you are wrapping things up with the car!

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The hydrocarbon refrigerants work great and are perfectly safe. I just don't 
use them anymore because I have both an r12 and a r134 machine. I also have 
another r12 machine and a dual 12/134 machine I need to sell.

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> On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It would be interesting to know what percentage of vehicles out there still 
> have R12 systems. With the push to convert to R134a over the years as well as 
> the relative ease to do so, I have to believe the total number of cars still 
> using R12 has got to be a pretty small percentage of the total with AC.
> 
> That being said, with my recent foray into AC on the S500, I found a lot of 
> "doom and gloom" or overblown warnings against the use of propane based 
> refrigerants. While there has got to be some danger due to flammability, I 
> have to believe the risk is minimal due to the limited volume and the fairly 
> narrow requirements to cause ignition.
> 
> In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in 
> it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, 
> but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ‎  Original Message  
>> From: archer75--- via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:55 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List;
>> 
>> 
>>> global cooling which was why the >government took away R-12
>> 
>> R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper 
>> atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely 
>> stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it 
>> didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) 
>> where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine 
>> contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy 
>> to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like 
>> looking it up right now. 
>> 
>> How does this relate to Mercedes? Our older, beloved Mercedes use this ozone 
>> depleting aerosol as a refrigerant to keep us cool in the summer time and 
>> our windshields clear of fog in spring and fall. As R-12 becomes less and 
>> less available, an adequate substitute needed to be found. I believe that 
>> substitute to be Enviro Safe. It is essentially the Jim Cathey test blend, 
>> with a pine scent added to identify any leaks. It is flammable, however I 
>> think that the possibility of the car being incinerated like the Mercedes in 
>> the movie "Arbitrage" is slim. 
>> 
>> (mores Mercedes content)
>> The R-134a that has been used in Mercedes for nearly two decades is set to 
>> be replaced, however independent testing by Daimler showed it to be 
>> flammable. 
>> 
>> http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/
>> 
>> http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1086548_mercedes-wins-french-court-ruling-in-r134a-refrigerant-case
>> 
>> Rick 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Last week when I installed the new condenser in The White Whale (R-12
system converted by PO), I charged the system with just one can of R-134,
and to my pleasant surprise that was enough pressure for the system to work
and blow cool air.  Temps here don't really require AC now, so I'll
probably leave it alone until next summer.  I've got a few cans of one of
the hydrocarbon-based refrigerants, need to come up with a plan for
installing that.  Instructions say it should not be installed into a
vacuum, so I need to figure out how this "Enviro Safe" should be installed.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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