[MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an electronic component for me. The fence charger has failed that protects my vegetable garden from deer. The charger is a Parmak S.E.3 of the 110 volt type. I found one of its two 1 amp fuses bad, as has happened over the years when lightening strikes nearby. But a new fuse didn't fix it this time. Everything looks good inside except, as shown in the attached photograph, a small dull red pill apparently overheated. It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a transformer. It is attached in the circuit via a plastic block of four set screws that clamp rather than solder the wires together and all was covered by a plastic sheath. When I took out the pill it fell apart. It is marked R270 and below that, CM 56. Does anyone know what this item might be? Parmak is one of these outfits that won't publish a schematic: they would rather you ship it back to them in Kansas City. The youth at Radio Shack who looked at the red pill could not identify it. A call to a local electronics repair place said they would look at it for a minimum $40 fee. Good Lord. A new charger of like power is about $150. A beer and some fresh sweetcorn next year to anyone who can help. Oh and the deer hunting here is good. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The best fun follows a duty done. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 046.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73459 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141205/0665d305/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
I am so confused by this. You need to go back and read the thread. We are talking about the guy who is now the Southeast Regional Director, who happens to own a shop in Titusville, FL. The lurker is the president of the SW Florida Section. Dan On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:47 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since he sounds like he has expertise (and parts), perhaps you should try sugar instead, and get him to participate . . . On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have not been a member for probably 10 years Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The guy is subscribed but I can’t find any posts from him, so I would say that makes him a lurker. Better watch out - you might get banned from the MBCA! Dan On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got lurkers here? Maybe I need to start cussing worse than a sailer like on banned and run them off. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. MOVs are a form of semiconductor device that act like a sponge, so to speak, and prevent voltages above a certain threshold to be “clamped” or absorbed by the MOV. You might know them better a a “surge suppressor”. That’s all that is inside those plug strips that offer protection to the devices plugged in to them. If you have three MMOVs in there - the one on the barrier strip you have removed, and two more across the fuseholders. They are the yellowish lollipop-shaped devices near the fuseholders. MOVs will often fail shorted, hence the fuse wanting to blow. If you take an ohmmeter or continuity tester and place the leads across the affected part you’ll find it is shorted, or it conducts. It shouldn’t. Can you read any information on the MOV itself? If not, can you tell where it is in the circuit? Is it on the AC side of the transformer, or the low voltage side? You don’t have to be dead on with these devices, so once you know wher eit goes in the circuit and the voltage applied to it, you can go generic and replace it. Tell us more…. Dan who has nothing against deer until they start shooting at me On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:05 PM, David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an electronic component for me. The fence charger has failed that protects my vegetable garden from deer. The charger is a Parmak S.E.3 of the 110 volt type. I found one of its two 1 amp fuses bad, as has happened over the years when lightening strikes nearby. But a new fuse didn't fix it this time. Everything looks good inside except, as shown in the attached photograph, a small dull red pill apparently overheated. It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a transformer. It is attached in the circuit via a plastic block of four set screws that clamp rather than solder the wires together and all was covered by a plastic sheath. When I took out the pill it fell apart. It is marked R270 and below that, CM 56. Does anyone know what this item might be? Parmak is one of these outfits that won't publish a schematic: they would rather you ship it back to them in Kansas City. The youth at Radio Shack who looked at the red pill could not identify it. A call to a local electronics repair place said they would look at it for a minimum $40 fee. Good Lord. A new charger of like power is about $150. A beer and some fresh sweetcorn next year to anyone who can help. Oh and the deer hunting here is good. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The best fun follows a duty done. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 046.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73459 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141205/0665d305/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
I went back and re-read the thread. Now I’m not so confused. My fault. If I understood it correctly, you’re talking about trying to get the guy who is the shop owner to join and participate in OkieBenz. Sorry. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am so confused by this. You need to go back and read the thread. We are talking about the guy who is now the Southeast Regional Director, who happens to own a shop in Titusville, FL. The lurker is the president of the SW Florida Section. Dan On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:47 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since he sounds like he has expertise (and parts), perhaps you should try sugar instead, and get him to participate . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
I agree about Pierre, I've met him several times and was impressed by his knowledge and enthusiasm for old cars. I think he actually tracked me down the first time we met, knowing I was the guy with that 240D website so many years ago. The MBCA needs more guys like him. I made a strong effort this spring to get involved with the local MBCA section, specifically during the June Jamboree. I spoke to the section president and national president, and former national president about ideas to get more younger people in the club and bring the car back into the picture. Some were very enthusiastic about the ideas... I was asked to join the local section as a board member. I followed up with an email with several ideas, and I volunteered to take over social media for the section, which is sorely lacking. Nothing became of it. I received a reply that they were already working on my ideas. Meanwhile, the entire 2014 car season has disappeared and I don't see any changes. I have a garage full of old Mercedes I'm constantly working on and improving. I work for Mercedes Benz in research and development of new products, and have an intimate knowledge of their products for the last 60 or so years. Its safe to say these cars define much of my life professionally and personally. It would seem logical that I should find a group of people with similar interests to share this passion, which why it seems like a logical that I get involved with the club. I'd still love to do it... maybe in 2015. There is potential there. I know many people involved in these cars in this area who are not involved in the club because they'd rather goto a car show and kick tires than visit a museum and go out to eat. Jaime On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I went back and re-read the thread. Now I’m not so confused. My fault. If I understood it correctly, you’re talking about trying to get the guy who is the shop owner to join and participate in OkieBenz. Sorry. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am so confused by this. You need to go back and read the thread. We are talking about the guy who is now the Southeast Regional Director, who happens to own a shop in Titusville, FL. The lurker is the president of the SW Florida Section. Dan On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:47 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since he sounds like he has expertise (and parts), perhaps you should try sugar instead, and get him to participate . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Sat morning fun
http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/ebay-challenge-whats-the-best-mercedes-for-less-than-1667506193/+damon --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR
I think the problem is that you sanded the contacts. Its like ignition points, if you sand off the surface coating then the likelyhood that they corrode and fail again are much higher. Jaime On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:01 PM, G. M. Brown via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I had a buzzing problem upon starting attempt with the GPR in my '84 300D back in March, took it apart resoldered the PCB, lightly sanded the contact points, and cleaned the external pin connections and it's been OK till the other day when all I would get was a click when attempting to start and it sounded like the battery was dead. I checked the battery voltage and it's fine, so I took the GPR apart again, cleaned things up, lightly sanded the contact points, and DeOxit'd the contact points and external pins and the car started fine for one day, but it was back to the click and sounding like the battery is dead. I remembered someone indicating back in March that moisture can get into the GPR box, but I sealed the edges w/ RTV the other day. I'll dig into it again tomorrow to see if I can find what the problem is. Any suggestions? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
Original Message From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 I have a garage full of old Mercedes I'm constantly working on and improving. I work for Mercedes Benz in research and development of new products, and have an intimate knowledge of their products for the last 60 or so years. Its safe to say these cars define much of my life professionally and personally. It would seem logical that I should find a group of people with similar interests to share this passion, which (is) why... Which is why... you're here :) Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun
I want this. Badly. I don't know why but I want it. Badly. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Sprinter-1982-mercedes-benz-l-608-d-sprinter-diesel-3-8-litre-9176-miles-rare-mini-bus-/201232886760?forcerrptr=truehash=item2eda6a2be8item=201232886760pt=US_Cars_Trucks --R On 12/6/14 10:38 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/ebay-challenge-whats-the-best-mercedes-for-less-than-1667506193/+damon --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun
Rich.Me too!I visited Rudesheim an Rhein in 1961 as a student, fond memories of Halgarten's hospitality. Jeez, but I'm getting olde. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:49:41 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun From: mercedes@okiebenz.com I want this. Badly. I don't know why but I want it. Badly. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I want this. Badly. I don't know why but I want it. Badly. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Sprinter-1982-mercedes-benz-l-608-d-sprinter-diesel-3-8-litre-9176-miles-rare-mini-bus-/201232886760 Did MBZ really call those Sprinters? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
In going through his Facebook page he appears to be heavily vested in the W124 and earlier stuff. That’s great, especially if there are enough owners out there for him to make a living doing it. As I mentioned previously, it also looks like he does a fair amount of NOS and used part buying, too. He had a couple of posts where he had purchased large numbers of parts and was selling them. Sounds like Jaime experienced a lot of what I did some years back when I got together with Scott Suits and tried to get at least an occasional car enthusiast event in the calendar with the local section. Scott was all for it, but the locals wanted nothing to do with it. All they were interested in was social events, really little to do with the cars themselves. What really sucked here, and I don’t know what Jaime’s situation is like, is that the local section really covers a large area, pretty much all of west central Florida from Sarasota up to maybe Crystal River and east to Lakeland. There are two dealers in the immediate area, Crown in Clearwater and MB of Tampa in Tampa. A dealer in Lakeland and Sarasota are on the fringes, but technically in the area, I believe. When I talked to the folks at Crown they knew about the section but had little interaction with them. For that matter, it was tough just to find someone at Crown who was even interested in talking about the club. I wasn’t that interested in Crown myself, as they are about an hour away. I went to MB of Tampa, where I do business, and quickly found the person who did their promotions and advertising. Within 10 minutes we were in his office talking with both the parts and service managers about possible tech events. They were very interested and seemed a little confused as to why they never heard anything from the local section. I spoke to the advertising person at the dealer in Lakeland over the phone, and they were interested too. I already described the response I got when I brought up the possibility of having an occasional meeting and/or tech event in Tampa. They pretty much told me that was a nice idea and moved along to something else. I knew at the point I was wasting my time. What’s really sad is that the local section (and this is historical, as I don’t know what’s going on now) seemed to be a social club for the elder and elite. All they seemed to be interested in was getting together at a restaurant, maybe after a drive, and having lunch or dinner. No shows, no tech events, no autocrosses, nada. I know that Scott was successful in getting a few things going in the past couple of years, as that was when he contacted me about rejoining. I think he got something set up at a local airport used for closed track events a while back, maybe an autocross, I don’t recall. Worse yet, there is a huge area for the section to draw from, and lots of potential members. By limiting the meetings and events to Pinellas County, where most of them live, they effectively cut off a large segment of potential members, even possible casual ones. I’ve devoted too much time to this already, but it brings up a lot of memories of trying to find some locals to get involved with over a common interest. It was pretty frustrating at the time, and still is to some extent, knowing the potential that’s out there for some fun with other MB owners. It would be nice to have a really active section like GWS or some of the sections out west. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I agree about Pierre, I've met him several times and was impressed by his knowledge and enthusiasm for old cars. I think he actually tracked me down the first time we met, knowing I was the guy with that 240D website so many years ago. The MBCA needs more guys like him. I made a strong effort this spring to get involved with the local MBCA section, specifically during the June Jamboree. I spoke to the section president and national president, and former national president about ideas to get more younger people in the club and bring the car back into the picture. Some were very enthusiastic about the ideas... I was asked to join the local section as a board member. I followed up with an email with several ideas, and I volunteered to take over social media for the section, which is sorely lacking. Nothing became of it. I received a reply that they were already working on my ideas. Meanwhile, the entire 2014 car season has disappeared and I don't see any changes. I have a garage full of old Mercedes I'm constantly working on and improving. I work for Mercedes Benz in research and development of new products, and have an intimate knowledge of their products for the last 60 or so years. Its safe to say these cars define much of my life professionally and personally. It would seem logical that I should find a group of people with similar interests to share this
Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun
Lots of potential. Only bad thing I can see is that it’s a four cylinder. Probably tough to drive on the interstate without a tail wind and a downhill grade. I’m thinking tailgate party bus. Wouldn’t take much to dress it up from the current condition. Good for the infield at NASCAR and other races, too. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I want this. Badly. I don't know why but I want it. Badly. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Sprinter-1982-mercedes-benz-l-608-d-sprinter-diesel-3-8-litre-9176-miles-rare-mini-bus-/201232886760?forcerrptr=truehash=item2eda6a2be8item=201232886760pt=US_Cars_Trucks --R On 12/6/14 10:38 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/ebay-challenge-whats-the-best-mercedes-for-less-than-1667506193/+damon --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun
I got a built-up 350 in the garage, that would work. --R On 12/6/14 11:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Lots of potential. Only bad thing I can see is that it’s a four cylinder. Probably tough to drive on the interstate without a tail wind and a downhill grade. I’m thinking tailgate party bus. Wouldn’t take much to dress it up from the current condition. Good for the infield at NASCAR and other races, too. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I want this. Badly. I don't know why but I want it. Badly. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Sprinter-1982-mercedes-benz-l-608-d-sprinter-diesel-3-8-litre-9176-miles-rare-mini-bus-/201232886760?forcerrptr=truehash=item2eda6a2be8item=201232886760pt=US_Cars_Trucks --R On 12/6/14 10:38 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/ebay-challenge-whats-the-best-mercedes-for-less-than-1667506193/+damon --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
I feel like the club has been dragged along with the brand into a sphere where the cars are too complicated to understand and fix for mere mortals. It is a specialization thing. Either you believe in figuring out your own stuff, or you don't. Fundamentally a philosophical question centered in this case around manufactured objects whose increasing complexity over time has shifted the norm. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In going through his Facebook page he appears to be heavily vested in the W124 and earlier stuff. That’s great, especially if there are enough owners out there for him to make a living doing it. As I mentioned previously, it also looks like he does a fair amount of NOS and used part buying, too. He had a couple of posts where he had purchased large numbers of parts and was selling them. Sounds like Jaime experienced a lot of what I did some years back when I got together with Scott Suits and tried to get at least an occasional car enthusiast event in the calendar with the local section. Scott was all for it, but the locals wanted nothing to do with it. All they were interested in was social events, really little to do with the cars themselves. What really sucked here, and I don’t know what Jaime’s situation is like, is that the local section really covers a large area, pretty much all of west central Florida from Sarasota up to maybe Crystal River and east to Lakeland. There are two dealers in the immediate area, Crown in Clearwater and MB of Tampa in Tampa. A dealer in Lakeland and Sarasota are on the fringes, but technically in the area, I believe. When I talked to the folks at Crown they knew about the section but had little interaction with them. For that matter, it was tough just to find someone at Crown who was even interested in talking about the club. I wasn’t that interested in Crown myself, as they are about an hour away. I went to MB of Tampa, where I do business, and quickly found the person who did their promotions and advertising. Within 10 minutes we were in his office talking with both the parts and service managers about possible tech events. They were very interested and seemed a little confused as to why they never heard anything from the local section. I spoke to the advertising person at the dealer in Lakeland over the phone, and they were interested too. I already described the response I got when I brought up the possibility of having an occasional meeting and/or tech event in Tampa. They pretty much told me that was a nice idea and moved along to something else. I knew at the point I was wasting my time. What’s really sad is that the local section (and this is historical, as I don’t know what’s going on now) seemed to be a social club for the elder and elite. All they seemed to be interested in was getting together at a restaurant, maybe after a drive, and having lunch or dinner. No shows, no tech events, no autocrosses, nada. I know that Scott was successful in getting a few things going in the past couple of years, as that was when he contacted me about rejoining. I think he got something set up at a local airport used for closed track events a while back, maybe an autocross, I don’t recall. Worse yet, there is a huge area for the section to draw from, and lots of potential members. By limiting the meetings and events to Pinellas County, where most of them live, they effectively cut off a large segment of potential members, even possible casual ones. I’ve devoted too much time to this already, but it brings up a lot of memories of trying to find some locals to get involved with over a common interest. It was pretty frustrating at the time, and still is to some extent, knowing the potential that’s out there for some fun with other MB owners. It would be nice to have a really active section like GWS or some of the sections out west. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I agree about Pierre, I've met him several times and was impressed by his knowledge and enthusiasm for old cars. I think he actually tracked me down the first time we met, knowing I was the guy with that 240D website so many years ago. The MBCA needs more guys like him. I made a strong effort this spring to get involved with the local MBCA section, specifically during the June Jamboree. I spoke to the section president and national president, and former national president about ideas to get more younger people in the club and bring the car back into the picture. Some were very enthusiastic about the ideas... I was asked to join the local section as a board member. I followed up with an email with several ideas, and I volunteered to take over social media for the section, which is sorely lacking. Nothing became of it. I received a reply that they were already working on my ideas. Meanwhile, the
Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun
Neighbor down the street has a humongous diesel Sprinter they tour in. Suppsoedly it's all customized inside with a fridge, beds, TVs, and a bowling alley. Sounds awesome. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got a built-up 350 in the garage, that would work. --R On 12/6/14 11:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Lots of potential. Only bad thing I can see is that it’s a four cylinder. Probably tough to drive on the interstate without a tail wind and a downhill grade. I’m thinking tailgate party bus. Wouldn’t take much to dress it up from the current condition. Good for the infield at NASCAR and other races, too. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I want this. Badly. I don't know why but I want it. Badly. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Sprinter-1982- mercedes-benz-l-608-d-sprinter-diesel-3-8-litre- 9176-miles-rare-mini-bus-/201232886760?forcerrptr=true hash=item2eda6a2be8item=201232886760pt=US_Cars_Trucks --R On 12/6/14 10:38 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/ebay-challenge-whats-the-best- mercedes-for-less-than-1667506193/+damon --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
If they were smart they would authorize creation of a Vintage MBCA for enthusiasts who want to do their own hands on maintenance and repairs. Limit membership to owners of 1980s and older models. I would definitely qualify. No racing stories, no frou frou bullcrap, no fancy socials, no rallyes to charming overpriced country inns. Just hands on work so we can drive forever without ever having to purchase a new MB, while saving money. Tech sessions could be held at dealerships every other month to keep them happy, and at indy shops for specialized repair demos from time to time. Great promotional value to Daimler Benz so maybe they would repay us with the occasional charter flight to Stuttgart to visit the Klassic Museum. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I feel like the club has been dragged along with the brand into a sphere where the cars are too complicated to understand and fix for mere mortals. It is a specialization thing. Either you believe in figuring out your own stuff, or you don't. Fundamentally a philosophical question centered in this case around manufactured objects whose increasing complexity over time has shifted the norm. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In going through his Facebook page he appears to be heavily vested in the W124 and earlier stuff. That’s great, especially if there are enough owners out there for him to make a living doing it. As I mentioned previously, it also looks like he does a fair amount of NOS and used part buying, too. He had a couple of posts where he had purchased large numbers of parts and was selling them. Sounds like Jaime experienced a lot of what I did some years back when I got together with Scott Suits and tried to get at least an occasional car enthusiast event in the calendar with the local section. Scott was all for it, but the locals wanted nothing to do with it. All they were interested in was social events, really little to do with the cars themselves. What really sucked here, and I don’t know what Jaime’s situation is like, is that the local section really covers a large area, pretty much all of west central Florida from Sarasota up to maybe Crystal River and east to Lakeland. There are two dealers in the immediate area, Crown in Clearwater and MB of Tampa in Tampa. A dealer in Lakeland and Sarasota are on the fringes, but technically in the area, I believe. When I talked to the folks at Crown they knew about the section but had little interaction with them. For that matter, it was tough just to find someone at Crown who was even interested in talking about the club. I wasn’t that interested in Crown myself, as they are about an hour away. I went to MB of Tampa, where I do business, and quickly found the person who did their promotions and advertising. Within 10 minutes we were in his office talking with both the parts and service managers about possible tech events. They were very interested and seemed a little confused as to why they never heard anything from the local section. I spoke to the advertising person at the dealer in Lakeland over the phone, and they were interested too. I already described the response I got when I brought up the possibility of having an occasional meeting and/or tech event in Tampa. They pretty much told me that was a nice idea and moved along to something else. I knew at the point I was wasting my time. What’s really sad is that the local section (and this is historical, as I don’t know what’s going on now) seemed to be a social club for the elder and elite. All they seemed to be interested in was getting together at a restaurant, maybe after a drive, and having lunch or dinner. No shows, no tech events, no autocrosses, nada. I know that Scott was successful in getting a few things going in the past couple of years, as that was when he contacted me about rejoining. I think he got something set up at a local airport used for closed track events a while back, maybe an autocross, I don’t recall. Worse yet, there is a huge area for the section to draw from, and lots of potential members. By limiting the meetings and events to Pinellas County, where most of them live, they effectively cut off a large segment of potential members, even possible casual ones. I’ve devoted too much time to this already, but it brings up a lot of memories of trying to find some locals to get involved with over a common interest. It was pretty frustrating at the time, and still is to some extent, knowing the potential that’s out there for some fun with other MB owners. It would be nice to have a really active section like GWS or some of the sections out west. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I agree about
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:42:29 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If they were smart they would authorize creation of a Vintage MBCA for enthusiasts who want to do their own hands on maintenance and repairs. Limit membership to owners of 1980s and older models. I suggest that 1980 is too early; that eliminates many W123s. 1995, the end of W124s, is a more appropriate date. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:22:48 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. I agree with Dan. Can you read any information on the MOV itself? He said, It is marked R270 and below that, CM 56. If not, can you tell where it is in the circuit? Is it on the AC side of the transformer, or the low voltage side? He said, It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a transformer. however it's on the AC side of the transformer. You don’t have to be dead on with these devices, so once you know wher eit goes in the circuit and the voltage applied to it, you can go generic and replace it. Yes. For line-side surge supression, a 270 V rating for a MOV would be on the high side of what's desirable. *** Dave, does the fuse blow when the part is not installed? *** If it does NOT blow, I recommend ordering: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ERZ-E14A221/P15594-ND/3694130 Digi-Key Part NumberP15594-ND Price Break Unit Price Extended Price 10.810000.81 Quantity Available Digi-Key Stock: 2,470 Can ship immediately ManufacturerPanasonic Electronic Components Manufacturer Part NumberERZ-E14A221 Description VARISTOR 198V 10KA DISC 16.5MM Lead Free Status / RoHS Status Lead free / RoHS Compliant Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
Excellent idea, however, I would base the age on whatever they have classified as “vintage”. I believe that would go up to the W140, as I think they have classified it as “vintage”, believe it or not… Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If they were smart they would authorize creation of a Vintage MBCA for enthusiasts who want to do their own hands on maintenance and repairs. Limit membership to owners of 1980s and older models. I would definitely qualify. No racing stories, no frou frou bullcrap, no fancy socials, no rallyes to charming overpriced country inns. Just hands on work so we can drive forever without ever having to purchase a new MB, while saving money. Tech sessions could be held at dealerships every other month to keep them happy, and at indy shops for specialized repair demos from time to time. Great promotional value to Daimler Benz so maybe they would repay us with the occasional charter flight to Stuttgart to visit the Klassic Museum. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
I found some DIY repair data on their chargers, and it appears they have MOVs across the AC side of the transformer, which I believe is the one yours has blown, as well as MOVs across the secondary outputs, too. This is pretty typical “best practice” design for AC circuits. Lightning strikes could very well toast these MOVs, which seems to be a common thread amongst the few references I have found. While yours may not have failed initially, every time these things clamp at a peak voltage they die a little. Enough hits and they eventually fail, shorting or blowing open. Since you have a Radio Shack nearby, you could go with one of their stock 120VAC units: http://www.radioshack.com/heavy-duty-mov-surge-protector/2760568.html#tab=tab1 http://www.radioshack.com/heavy-duty-mov-surge-protector/2760568.html#tab=tab1 Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:22:48 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. I agree with Dan. Can you read any information on the MOV itself? He said, It is marked R270 and below that, CM 56. If not, can you tell where it is in the circuit? Is it on the AC side of the transformer, or the low voltage side? He said, It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a transformer. however it's on the AC side of the transformer. You don’t have to be dead on with these devices, so once you know wher eit goes in the circuit and the voltage applied to it, you can go generic and replace it. Yes. For line-side surge supression, a 270 V rating for a MOV would be on the high side of what's desirable. *** Dave, does the fuse blow when the part is not installed? *** If it does NOT blow, I recommend ordering: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ERZ-E14A221/P15594-ND/3694130 Digi-Key Part Number P15594-ND Price Break Unit Price Extended Price 1 0.810000.81 Quantity AvailableDigi-Key Stock: 2,470 Can ship immediately Manufacturer Panasonic Electronic Components Manufacturer Part Number ERZ-E14A221 Description VARISTOR 198V 10KA DISC 16.5MM Lead Free Status / RoHS StatusLead free / RoHS Compliant Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
Pierre also does Mercedes home visits all around the nation. I know some people up here in Maine that fly him up on an annual basis to their house to repair and maintain their fleet of 60's-80's Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In going through his Facebook page he appears to be heavily vested in the W124 and earlier stuff. That’s great, especially if there are enough owners out there for him to make a living doing it. As I mentioned previously, it also looks like he does a fair amount of NOS and used part buying, too. He had a couple of posts where he had purchased large numbers of parts and was selling them. Sounds like Jaime experienced a lot of what I did some years back when I got together with Scott Suits and tried to get at least an occasional car enthusiast event in the calendar with the local section. Scott was all for it, but the locals wanted nothing to do with it. All they were interested in was social events, really little to do with the cars themselves. What really sucked here, and I don’t know what Jaime’s situation is like, is that the local section really covers a large area, pretty much all of west central Florida from Sarasota up to maybe Crystal River and east to Lakeland. There are two dealers in the immediate area, Crown in Clearwater and MB of Tampa in Tampa. A dealer in Lakeland and Sarasota are on the fringes, but technically in the area, I believe. When I talked to the folks at Crown they knew about the section but had little interaction with them. For that matter, it was tough just to find someone at Crown who was even interested in talking about the club. I wasn’t that interested in Crown myself, as they are about an hour away. I went to MB of Tampa, where I do business, and quickly found the person who did their promotions and advertising. Within 10 minutes we were in his office talking with both the parts and service managers about possible tech events. They were very interested and seemed a little confused as to why they never heard anything from the local section. I spoke to the advertising person at the dealer in Lakeland over the phone, and they were interested too. I already described the response I got when I brought up the possibility of having an occasional meeting and/or tech event in Tampa. They pretty much told me that was a nice idea and moved along to something else. I knew at the point I was wasting my time. What’s really sad is that the local section (and this is historical, as I don’t know what’s going on now) seemed to be a social club for the elder and elite. All they seemed to be interested in was getting together at a restaurant, maybe after a drive, and having lunch or dinner. No shows, no tech events, no autocrosses, nada. I know that Scott was successful in getting a few things going in the past couple of years, as that was when he contacted me about rejoining. I think he got something set up at a local airport used for closed track events a while back, maybe an autocross, I don’t recall. Worse yet, there is a huge area for the section to draw from, and lots of potential members. By limiting the meetings and events to Pinellas County, where most of them live, they effectively cut off a large segment of potential members, even possible casual ones. I’ve devoted too much time to this already, but it brings up a lot of memories of trying to find some locals to get involved with over a common interest. It was pretty frustrating at the time, and still is to some extent, knowing the potential that’s out there for some fun with other MB owners. It would be nice to have a really active section like GWS or some of the sections out west. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I agree about Pierre, I've met him several times and was impressed by his knowledge and enthusiasm for old cars. I think he actually tracked me down the first time we met, knowing I was the guy with that 240D website so many years ago. The MBCA needs more guys like him. I made a strong effort this spring to get involved with the local MBCA section, specifically during the June Jamboree. I spoke to the section president and national president, and former national president about ideas to get more younger people in the club and bring the car back into the picture. Some were very enthusiastic about the ideas... I was asked to join the local section as a board member. I followed up with an email with several ideas, and I volunteered to take over social media for the section, which is sorely lacking. Nothing became of it. I received a reply that they were already working on my ideas. Meanwhile, the entire 2014 car season has disappeared and I don't see any changes. I have a garage full of old
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
A French pal and I have our own personal tech and body repair guy who does the same, except he drives down instead of flying and works for free. I don't want to give away his identity; let's just call him by the code name Dimitri. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:12 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pierre also does Mercedes home visits all around the nation. I know some people up here in Maine that fly him up on an annual basis to their house to repair and maintain their fleet of 60's-80's Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In going through his Facebook page he appears to be heavily vested in the W124 and earlier stuff. That’s great, especially if there are enough owners out there for him to make a living doing it. As I mentioned previously, it also looks like he does a fair amount of NOS and used part buying, too. He had a couple of posts where he had purchased large numbers of parts and was selling them. Sounds like Jaime experienced a lot of what I did some years back when I got together with Scott Suits and tried to get at least an occasional car enthusiast event in the calendar with the local section. Scott was all for it, but the locals wanted nothing to do with it. All they were interested in was social events, really little to do with the cars themselves. What really sucked here, and I don’t know what Jaime’s situation is like, is that the local section really covers a large area, pretty much all of west central Florida from Sarasota up to maybe Crystal River and east to Lakeland. There are two dealers in the immediate area, Crown in Clearwater and MB of Tampa in Tampa. A dealer in Lakeland and Sarasota are on the fringes, but technically in the area, I believe. When I talked to the folks at Crown they knew about the section but had little interaction with them. For that matter, it was tough just to find someone at Crown who was even interested in talking about the club. I wasn’t that interested in Crown myself, as they are about an hour away. I went to MB of Tampa, where I do business, and quickly found the person who did their promotions and advertising. Within 10 minutes we were in his office talking with both the parts and service managers about possible tech events. They were very interested and seemed a little confused as to why they never heard anything from the local section. I spoke to the advertising person at the dealer in Lakeland over the phone, and they were interested too. I already described the response I got when I brought up the possibility of having an occasional meeting and/or tech event in Tampa. They pretty much told me that was a nice idea and moved along to something else. I knew at the point I was wasting my time. What’s really sad is that the local section (and this is historical, as I don’t know what’s going on now) seemed to be a social club for the elder and elite. All they seemed to be interested in was getting together at a restaurant, maybe after a drive, and having lunch or dinner. No shows, no tech events, no autocrosses, nada. I know that Scott was successful in getting a few things going in the past couple of years, as that was when he contacted me about rejoining. I think he got something set up at a local airport used for closed track events a while back, maybe an autocross, I don’t recall. Worse yet, there is a huge area for the section to draw from, and lots of potential members. By limiting the meetings and events to Pinellas County, where most of them live, they effectively cut off a large segment of potential members, even possible casual ones. I’ve devoted too much time to this already, but it brings up a lot of memories of trying to find some locals to get involved with over a common interest. It was pretty frustrating at the time, and still is to some extent, knowing the potential that’s out there for some fun with other MB owners. It would be nice to have a really active section like GWS or some of the sections out west. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I agree about Pierre, I've met him several times and was impressed by his knowledge and enthusiasm for old cars. I think he actually tracked me down the first time we met, knowing I was the guy with that 240D website so many years ago. The MBCA needs more guys like him. I made a strong effort this spring to get involved with the local MBCA section, specifically during the June Jamboree. I spoke to the section president and national president, and former national president about ideas to get more younger people in the club and bring the car back into the picture. Some were very enthusiastic about the ideas... I was asked to join the local section as a board member. I followed up with an email with several ideas, and I
[MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - MOVING IN THE BUFF
Yep, another one already. MOVING IN THE BUFF By Wilton Strickland Several weeks after I arrived here at Seymour Johnson AFB, NC, in March of ‘79, I learned that one of our crews was going to deliver a B-52G from our unit to Edwards AFB, CA, for a test crew there to fly a couple of times with Air Launched Cruise Missiles (ALCM‘s) during a weekend as part of the missile development program. My wife and two sons were still living in the little mountain village of Wrightwood about 45 minutes southeast of Edwards. We had moved there while I was a civil engineer at George AFB and just before I went to Greenland for a year. I wangled my way onto the flight to visit my family for a couple of days. Alice picked me up at Edwards upon my arrival there on Friday afternoon and dropped me off there for the flight back to Seymour on Sunday afternoon. Because I was beginning to build a house here in North Carolina, I needed some of my tools and equipment from our home in California. I brought several of those things back to NC with me in the BUFF: a twelve-foot aluminum extension ladder, a six-foot wooden step ladder, a radial arm saw, a gas-driven rotary lawn mower (fuel tank was drained and vented), several boxes of assorted tools and lots of “stuff.” To take my stuff out to the airplane at Edwards, we loaded it and the rest of the crew’s baggage aboard an Air Force Chevrolet Suburban driven by the Edwards crew. The long extension ladder was laid across the tops of the seats and the instrument panel (dashboard) for the short trip onto the flightline. One end of the ladder was touching the windshield; the other end was protruding slightly from the rear of the vehicle. We warned all the guys on both crews, Edwards and ours, “Don’t close the rear doors. You may break the windshield by shoving the ladder into it.” Sure enough, the last one of our crewmen to put his baggage on the vehicle tried to close the rear doors, cracking the windshield, of course. ‘Don’t know how the Edwards crew explained the cracked windshield when they turned in the vehicle. All of this stuff went very easily into the large open area in the aircraft aft fuselage (“47 section“) behind the aft main gear. All of it was strapped down very well and presented no problem at all for the BUFF. I could have brought back a lot more, but I was a bit shy to appear to be moving my entire household in the BUFF. We sold the California house a couple of months later, Alice and the boys drove to North Carolina to join me, and the rest of my stuff was moved in the conventional manner by van. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
I agree about Pierre, I've met him several times and was impressed by his knowledge and enthusiasm for old cars. I think he actually tracked me down the first time we met, knowing I was the guy with that 240D website so many years ago. The MBCA needs more guys like him. I made a strong effort this spring to get involved with the local MBCA section, specifically during the June Jamboree. I spoke to the section president and national president, and former national president about ideas to get more younger people in the club and bring the car back into the picture. Some were very enthusiastic about the ideas... I was asked to join the local section as a board member. I followed up with an email with several ideas, and I volunteered to take over social media for the section, which is sorely lacking. Nothing became of it. I received a reply that they were already working on my ideas. Meanwhile, the entire 2014 car season has disappeared and I don't see any changes. I have a garage full of old Mercedes I'm constantly working on and improving. I work for Mercedes Benz in research and development of new products, and have an intimate knowledge of their products for the last 60 or so years. Its safe to say these cars define much of my life professionally and personally. It would seem logical that I should find a group of people with similar interests to share this passion, which why it seems like a logical that I get involved with the club. I'd still love to do it... maybe in 2015. There is potential there. I know many people involved in these cars in this area who are not involved in the club because they'd rather goto a car show and kick tires than visit a museum and go out to eat. Jaime That is great to know about pierre. Jaime, I wish you were local to our section in place of stuck in NJ. We'd love to have you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Our own club WAS:Typical MBCA Behavior
Start your own section. It is not all that difficult. In the LA area, there are many sections with different interests. I don't know about now, but San Gabriel section used to have a lot of members who owned old and dirty wrenches and knew how to use them. We could even start the first MBCA VIRTUAL section. Sort of like the Gull Wing Group used to be within MBCA. IF MBCA won't cooperate, we can form a new nationwide/international group. We could even borrow Alex Gabard and turn it into a virtual International club. (and borrow his name, Mercedes Veterans) We could get Hendrik and John Green from down under. John is a veritable walking encyclopedia. In going through his Facebook page he appears to be heavily vested in the W124 and earlier stuff. That's great, especially if there are enough owners out there for him to make a living doing it. As I mentioned previously, it also looks like he does a fair amount of NOS and used part buying, too. He had a couple of posts where he had purchased large numbers of parts and was selling them. Sounds like Jaime experienced a lot of what I did some years back when I got together with Scott Suits and tried to get at least an occasional car enthusiast event in the calendar with the local section. Scott was all for it, but the locals wanted nothing to do with it. All they were interested in was social events, really little to do with the cars themselves. What really sucked here, and I don't know what Jaime's situation is like, is that the local section really covers a large area, pretty much all of west central Florida from Sarasota up to maybe Crystal River and east to Lakeland. There are two dealers in the immediate area, Crown in Clearwater and MB of Tampa in Tampa. A dealer in Lakeland and Sarasota are on the fringes, but technically in the area, I believe. When I talked to the folks at Crown they knew about the section but had little interaction with them. For that matter, it was tough just to find someone at Crown who was even interested in talking about the club. I wasn't that interested in Crown myself, as they are about an hour away. I went to MB of Tampa, where I do business, and quickly found the person who did their promotions and advertising. Within 10 minutes we were in his office talking with both the parts and service managers about possible tech events. They were very interested and seemed a little confused as to why they never heard anything from the local section. I spoke to the advertising person at the dealer in Lakeland over the phone, and they were interested too. I already described the response I got when I brought up the possibility of having an occasional meeting and/or tech event in Tampa. They pretty much told me that was a nice idea and moved along to something else. I knew at the point I was wasting my time. What's really sad is that the local section (and this is historical, as I don't know what's going on now) seemed to be a social club for the elder and elite. All they seemed to be interested in was getting together at a restaurant, maybe after a drive, and having lunch or dinner. No shows, no tech events, no autocrosses, nada. I know that Scott was successful in getting a few things going in the past couple of years, as that was when he contacted me about rejoining. I think he got something set up at a local airport used for closed track events a while back, maybe an autocross, I don't recall. Worse yet, there is a huge area for the section to draw from, and lots of potential members. By limiting the meetings and events to Pinellas County, where most of them live, they effectively cut off a large segment of potential members, even possible casual ones. I've devoted too much time to this already, but it brings up a lot of memories of trying to find some locals to get involved with over a common interest. It was pretty frustrating at the time, and still is to some extent, knowing the potential that's out there for some fun with other MB owners. It would be nice to have a really active section like GWS or some of the sections out west. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I agree about Pierre, I've met him several times and was impressed by his knowledge and enthusiasm for old cars. I think he actually tracked me down the first time we met, knowing I was the guy with that 240D website so many years ago. The MBCA needs more guys like him. I made a strong effort this spring to get involved with the local MBCA section, specifically during the June Jamboree. I spoke to the section president and national president, and former national president about ideas to get more younger people in the club and bring the car back into the picture. Some were very enthusiastic about the ideas... I was asked to join the local section as a board member. I followed up with an email with
[MBZ] MOV for the deer
this is cheap http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heavy-Duty-MOV-Surge-Protector-2160484-/400814042833?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5d5260eed1 $1.99 and free shipping thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
If this in indeed a MOV it is not necessary for functionality. (Only protection.) Before investing anything, see if the charger still works without it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
Good point, Jim. An MOV can be left out of the circuit and things should still be functional. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If this in indeed a MOV it is not necessary for functionality. (Only protection.) Before investing anything, see if the charger still works without it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] MOV for the deer
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:00:51 -0500 Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: this is cheap http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heavy-Duty-MOV-Surge-Protector-2160484-/400814042833?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5d5260eed1 $1.99 and free shipping thanks, Such a deal! The one I spec'ed at Digikey has a 140 VAC rating in case his line voltage is high; if his line voltage is 120 VAC or below, this one will work just fine. But first he needs to see if it blows the fuse when he plugs it in without the MOV, and then see if it works properly. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ponomusic. Opinions?
Pono music is simply 24-bit FLAC. With the help of you listers I have altered my LP transcoding workflow to produce this output. Audacity is capable of recording as 32-bit WAV which can then be compressed to 24-bit FLAC. Most modern players (including cell phones) are capable of playing these files; making Mr. Young's $400 player a bit superfluous. OTOH, selling music in this format, which is higher definition than CD does make aesthetic (if not necessarily business) sense. For those of you who must know more, pono is (according to Wikipedia) the Hawaiian word meaning righteousness. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ponomusic. Opinions? Neil's efforts are really just a way to play uncompressed audio as I understand it. The story I heard was that he was all bent out of shape over how poorly common compressed formats like MP3 sound. I can't see this going anywhere myself. Good to see you, DBV! Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Van Knutson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ponomusic ( https://ponomusic.force.com/ ) is a high def music project backed by Neil Young. Its an inline lossless digital music player, due to ship Q1 2015 at $400 a pop. Their library is rather limited at the moment, but they plan on expanding rapidly as more licensing agreements are signed with artists and publishers. That aside, they claim to at least attempt to improve the throughput quality of non-lossless files -- even mp3's -- as well, meaning you don't necessarily have to buy their remastered files for it to work, with the aforementioned caveats on output quality. Their files are extremely dense, turning what would be a 3-4 meg mp3 into 50-60 meg file, if memory serves. Their current players are expandable to 128 G -- 64 G on board, with a 64 G slot So, is this a game changer in high-def listening, or a well-intentioned but ultimately non contributory measure to improve the art? Opinions? DBV, president, low budget audiophile division ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Secure Storage, was Transcoding LPs to Digital
Once again thanks to y'all for your knowledgeable input! I looked at Synology products but finally opted for a WD 8 TB My Cloud NAS. The price and small form factor were appealing, and I understand that these now are equipped with WD red series HDDs. My experiences with WD products has been good in the past. Another factor in my decision was that the WD has gigabit Ethernet as opposed to the 100 Mb of the Synology. This looked to me to be the best bang for buck. A smaller disk size would probably have worked for my needs, but the additional cost for the larger size was not much. The 8 TB was actually cheaper than the 6 TB. I'm not sure that the remote access features are needed for my family, but then I don't need to enable them. I will provide follow up on this if any of you are interested. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 8:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Secure Storage, was Transcoding LPs to Digital I agree with Tim. After researching storage options to a level of detail I never planned, I came to much the same conclusion. If I was going with an off the shelf solution it would be Synology. FreeNAS was really attractive, given the high level of configurability it offered. Since I had an existing NAS, a DLink NAS-345 running five drives in RAID 5, I have continued to use it. However, realizing that a single volume RAID 5 setup did not provide the redundancy and setup I desired, I wiped it and went to four drives in a Mirrored RAID configuration with two volumes. So I have two separate volumes, each running on two mirrored drives. This gives me the integrity and redundancy desired for my files for now. It also gives me a performance gain over the previous single volume RAID 5 arrangement as well. Not perfect, but it meets my needs. I pull the mirrors once a month and rotate them out with another drive. The current drives go in the fire safe. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I copy (via automatic program) all changes to the folders I'm interested in (photos, documents, music, etc.) from the primary disk to a second disk in the PC, then again to an external disk. and on one of our PCs, to a second external disk.. Very cheap and simple, it all happens when I'm asleep, and I have three or four copies of everything. when one disk dies, I just replace it, and it gets auto brought up to date. I fought with SANs, NASs, and RAID at work for years, didn't want to mess with it at home. I used to do something similar, but recent viruses have taken to destroying files in all online storage devices (then charging a bitcoin ransom for the recovery key, which may or may not work). I have thought about investing in a tape drive (which is ironic given my employer :) but in practice I just keep a USB disk offline, and bring it up occasionally to do the replication. The problem with rotating storage is that it needs to be spinning to keep working, so I can't leave it in a drawer and expect it to work. There were some good deals on 64G USB sticks last week, but I didn't buy any since I don't have a good plan for using them. Anyway, given the state of viruses, I would definitely recommend keeping a solid-state backup - flash, or DVD, or an offline disk - rather than depending on a system that uses Windows shares. To the original post, Synology is a good choice for low power, low noise, high configurability, reasonable cost and reliability. If you roll your own, I have to agree with Dan that FreeNAS is the way to go. If you are willing to lose some abilities, many of the 802.11ac routers have USB ports that will accept a USB drive (or even multiple drives) and expose Windows and NFS shares. Merry Christmas to all, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fw: OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - MOVING IN THE BUFF
BTW, Addison, has the statute of limitations expired on that windshield? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Addison Thompson as.thomp...@cox.net Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - MOVING IN THE BUFF A great story, and it's not boring! Let's hear more of it! How 'bout it, y'all (Southern for youse guys)? Let's get 'im to tell us more. Wilton - Original Message - From: Addison Thompson as.thomp...@cox.net To: wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - MOVING IN THE BUFF Wilton, Here's a very interesting small world story for you. I was the Wing Director of Operations when you visited there in '79. Shortly thereafter that, in Early December of '79 I was directed by the AFFTC Commander to take charge of the cruise missile/B-52 integration test program that was starting up at Boeing Wichita over the objections from Edwards (we wanted to do the testing on home turf at EDW and not on the contractor's home turf). The contract had been signed between Boeing and the SPO without coordination with the test agency, EDW. By the time I got told to fix it, Edwards had lost the argument about the test location. So I was the stuckee! I had to work with Boeing, the SPO and Edwards to organize a place (offices, flight line stuff, etc.) for the combined Boeing, Edwards, SAC, AFOTEC test team; shanghai test guys from Edwards with the appropriate skills (when none really wanted to move to Wichita); get an agreement with McConnell AFB to store our cruise missile warheads (TS CNWDI), etc. etc. I scrounged a Division Commander checkout in the Buff (a 5 day ground school in mid-Dec) having never even been in a Buff before. My three or four flight checkout (and the first time I had ever been in a Buff) was at Edwards. The flight started with takeoff and immediately join up with a tanker right after departure turnout for refueling during the climb out. What a humbling experience that was! Then the SPO General and the Edwards General, that didn't get along very well, both thought that I worked for them. Then I found out that, oh by the way, President Carter has declared that we will achieve IOC with the ALCM on the Buff in less that two years from now. At least they gave me the top priority code so I could get anything that I needed. So get to work...… There were a lot more stories there but I won't bore you with any more. Just thought the small world connection was interesting. Regards, Addison Thompson= ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - MOVING IN THE BUFF
Yes, more! Please spell out the acronyms Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Dec 6, 2014 5:50 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: BTW, Addison, has the statute of limitations expired on that windshield? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Addison Thompson as.thomp...@cox.net Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - MOVING IN THE BUFF A great story, and it's not boring! Let's hear more of it! How 'bout it, y'all (Southern for youse guys)? Let's get 'im to tell us more. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 headliner repair ideas
HA! Yeah, anytime they add Aircraft or Marine the prices triple! LarryT 91 300D On 12/3/2014 1:02 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: WOW! The FAA approved, flame resistant, custom sewn headliner for our Cessna was only $200! I didn't know that anything for an aircraft could be less expensive than the similar item for a car. On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The headliner in my '95 sedan is sagging. New from Classic Center with MBCA discount is over $1000. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 headliner repair ideas
Ah, but you missed my point - the aircraft certified headliner is 1/5th the price of the MB headliner for a car that is 40 years newer than my aircraft! On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HA! Yeah, anytime they add Aircraft or Marine the prices triple! LarryT 91 300D On 12/3/2014 1:02 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: WOW! The FAA approved, flame resistant, custom sewn headliner for our Cessna was only $200! I didn't know that anything for an aircraft could be less expensive than the similar item for a car. On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The headliner in my '95 sedan is sagging. New from Classic Center with MBCA discount is over $1000. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 headliner repair ideas
check Youtube for an instructional video - they have everything there!when I did my 911, I found a video there! LarryT 91 300D On 12/3/2014 1:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: In 110, 111, 112, 114, 115, 116, 108, 123, 124, and 126 cars, some of which are over 40 years old, I have never seen this problem. Another reason I think pre-1990 MB are better. The headliner in my '95 sedan is sagging. New from Classic Center with MBCA discount is over $1000. I'd like to know if anyone else has successfully repaired / re-glued a 124 headliner. I'm also open to trying other options, like removing the old headliner entirely, and installing some dynamat insulation, and then covering that somehow. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] FW: '84 300D GPR
Latest on '84 300D GPR: From: g_010...@hotmail.com To: jaime...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:55:10 -0500 Jaime, As per my previous note, the glow plug lite in the dash lites up OK when the key is turned to the ON/Start position but, when the condition occurs when it doesn't start, there's only a slight click and a signal from the starter as if the battery was almost dead . . . not enough power to turn the starter enough to start the car. Note, a new glow plug fuse was installed in March. What I don't understand is that the car wouldn't start yesterday, but started OK today prior to my doing anything to it. Thanx. Glenn Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:48:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR From: jaime...@gmail.com To: g_010...@hotmail.com Hi Glenn, This is why information from the internet isn't always so reliable ;-) Funny... I have the same issue with my 79 300SD. I take apart the relay once a year to clean it up with deoxit and some paper towels. One of these days I'll break down and buy a new one, but until then... One thing you should be weary of is the fuse. It might look good, but not be able to support the 50+amps when the plugs are glowing. I've seen them when they look ok, then break in two when you remove them a fiddle with them a bit. What exactly is the problem when it doesn't work? No light and no glow? Or no light with glow? If I remember correctly it is a failure mode for the light to not come on, but still provide power to the plugs if there is one or more thats failed. Good luck,Jaime On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, G. M. Brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Jaime, Prior to going out to the garage to see what else I could do about this, I found the following from a guy on the PeachParts site: Yes, you can pull it apart and clean the board/resolder the components. If it's stuck on just pull the bucket off, removing a screw in each of the four corners. Check the solenoid (the thing that moves) and it's contacts. Sometimes water will seep in and corrode on the contacts. They should be smooth. If they're not use a piece of sandpaper or a really fine file to remove any built up corrosion. If that doesn't work, just get another one. Unless you want to spend the time testing and resoldering each component. Today's episode: 1. The car started OK prior to doing anything. 2. The glow plug lite in the dash lites up OK when the key is turned to the ON/Start position. 3. There's continuity between the two sides of the glow plug fuse. 4. There's power to each side of the glow plug fuse when the key is turned to the ON/Start position. 5. For grins, I DeOxit'd the female pin plugs to the glow plug relay box. 6. The car started OK after messin' around as well. If the bloody thing misbehaves on my attempt to go to church tomorrow, I'm not sure what else I can do. Glenn Brevard, NC Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:42:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR From: jaime...@gmail.com To: g_010...@hotmail.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com I think the problem is that you sanded the contacts. Its like ignition points, if you sand off the surface coating then the likelyhood that they corrode and fail again are much higher. Jaime On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:01 PM, G. M. Brown via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I had a buzzing problem upon starting attempt with the GPR in my '84 300D back in March, took it apart resoldered the PCB, lightly sanded the contact points, and cleaned the external pin connections and it's been OK till the other day when all I would get was a click when attempting to start and it sounded like the battery was dead. I checked the battery voltage and it's fine, so I took the GPR apart again, cleaned things up, lightly sanded the contact points, and DeOxit'd the contact points and external pins and the car started fine for one day, but it was back to the click and sounding like the battery is dead. I remembered someone indicating back in March that moisture can get into the GPR box, but I sealed the edges w/ RTV the other day. I'll dig into it again tomorrow to see if I can find what the problem is. Any suggestions? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinskihttp://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinskihttp://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 headliner repair ideas
That's really surprising! Larry On 12/6/2014 6:08 PM, OK Don wrote: Ah, but you missed my point - the aircraft certified headliner is 1/5th the price of the MB headliner for a car that is 40 years newer than my aircraft! On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HA! Yeah, anytime they add Aircraft or Marine the prices triple! LarryT 91 300D On 12/3/2014 1:02 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: WOW! The FAA approved, flame resistant, custom sewn headliner for our Cessna was only $200! I didn't know that anything for an aircraft could be less expensive than the similar item for a car. On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The headliner in my '95 sedan is sagging. New from Classic Center with MBCA discount is over $1000. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, /The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers/ 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: '84 300D GPR
I'd try a new or used relay. A bad relay can run down the battery. Used relays can be pretty cheap. Latest on '84 300D GPR: From: g_010...@hotmail.com To: jaime...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:55:10 -0500 Jaime, As per my previous note, the glow plug lite in the dash lites up OK when the key is turned to the ON/Start position but, when the condition occurs when it doesn't start, there's only a slight click and a signal from the starter as if the battery was almost dead . . . not enough power to turn the starter enough to start the car. Note, a new glow plug fuse was installed in March. What I don't understand is that the car wouldn't start yesterday, but started OK today prior to my doing anything to it. Thanx. Glenn Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:48:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR From: jaime...@gmail.com To: g_010...@hotmail.com Hi Glenn, This is why information from the internet isn't always so reliable ;-) Funny... I have the same issue with my 79 300SD. I take apart the relay once a year to clean it up with deoxit and some paper towels. One of these days I'll break down and buy a new one, but until then... One thing you should be weary of is the fuse. It might look good, but not be able to support the 50+amps when the plugs are glowing. I've seen them when they look ok, then break in two when you remove them a fiddle with them a bit. What exactly is the problem when it doesn't work? No light and no glow? Or no light with glow? If I remember correctly it is a failure mode for the light to not come on, but still provide power to the plugs if there is one or more thats failed. Good luck,Jaime On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, G. M. Brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Jaime, Prior to going out to the garage to see what else I could do about this, I found the following from a guy on the PeachParts site: Yes, you can pull it apart and clean the board/resolder the components. If it's stuck on just pull the bucket off, removing a screw in each of the four corners. Check the solenoid (the thing that moves) and it's contacts. Sometimes water will seep in and corrode on the contacts. They should be smooth. If they're not use a piece of sandpaper or a really fine file to remove any built up corrosion. If that doesn't work, just get another one. Unless you want to spend the time testing and resoldering each component. Today's episode: 1. The car started OK prior to doing anything. 2. The glow plug lite in the dash lites up OK when the key is turned to the ON/Start position. 3. There's continuity between the two sides of the glow plug fuse. 4. There's power to each side of the glow plug fuse when the key is turned to the ON/Start position. 5. For grins, I DeOxit'd the female pin plugs to the glow plug relay box. 6. The car started OK after messin' around as well. If the bloody thing misbehaves on my attempt to go to church tomorrow, I'm not sure what else I can do. Glenn Brevard, NC Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:42:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR From: jaime...@gmail.com To: g_010...@hotmail.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com I think the problem is that you sanded the contacts. Its like ignition points, if you sand off the surface coating then the likelyhood that they corrode and fail again are much higher. Jaime On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:01 PM, G. M. Brown via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I had a buzzing problem upon starting attempt with the GPR in my '84 300D back in March, took it apart resoldered the PCB, lightly sanded the contact points, and cleaned the external pin connections and it's been OK till the other day when all I would get was a click when attempting to start and it sounded like the battery was dead. I checked the battery voltage and it's fine, so I took the GPR apart again, cleaned things up, lightly sanded the contact points, and DeOxit'd the contact points and external pins and the car started fine for one day, but it was back to the click and sounding like the battery is dead. I remembered someone indicating back in March that moisture can get into the GPR box, but I sealed the edges w/ RTV the other day. I'll dig into it again tomorrow to see if I can find what the problem is. Any suggestions? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinskihttp://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinskihttp://www.jaimekop.com/ ___
Re: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR
Maybe you have a battery with a cell which is going bad? Have FLAPS load test the battery to rule that out. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
David wrote: Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an electronic component for me. Everything looks good inside except, as shown in the attached photograph, a small dull red pill apparently overheated. It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a transformer. It is attached in the circuit via a plastic block of four set screws that clamp rather than solder the wires together and all was covered by a plastic sheath. When I took out the pill it fell apart. It is marked R270 and below that, CM 56. Does anyone know what this item might be? Almost certain that is a capacitor. The tan-ish/yellow-ish ones look much more like an MOV. Another BIG clue is how it's wired. You said in line with the fuse and transformer. Series? Parallel? Attached is a quick sketch showing the difference. R270 could mean a 27 pico farad, 15% capacitor. I can't come up with a good reason why there would be one before the transformer... If it's an MOV (which I expect it is NOT), it will have to be in parallel. -- Philip -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: series-parallel.png Type: image/png Size: 8166 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141206/19274ee5/attachment.png ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
David wrote: Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an electronic component for me. Everything looks good inside except, as shown in the attached photograph, a small dull red pill apparently overheated. It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a transformer. It is attached in the circuit via a plastic block of four set screws that clamp rather than solder the wires together and all was covered by a plastic sheath. When I took out the pill it fell apart. It is marked R270 and below that, CM 56. Does anyone know what this item might be? Almost certain that is a capacitor. The tan-ish/yellow-ish ones look much more like an MOV. Another BIG clue is how it's wired. You said in line with the fuse and transformer. Series? Parallel? Attached is a quick sketch showing the difference. R270 could mean a 27 pico farad, 15% capacitor. I can't come up with a good reason why there would be one before the transformer... If it's an MOV (which I expect it is NOT), it will have to be in parallel. -- Philip -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: series-parallel.png Type: image/png Size: 8166 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141206/e3a33214/attachment.png ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
Dan wrote: Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. MOVs are a form of semiconductor device that act like a sponge, so to speak, and prevent voltages above a certain threshold to be “clamped” or absorbed by the MOV. Sorry Dan, I can't leave that one alone. An MOV is better described as a switch. A very fast switch that turns itself on above particular voltage and turns back off when below that voltage. Thus it doesn't absorb anything! It simply shorts the line to prevent the voltage from getting high enough to cause damage. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun
On Dec 6, 2014 12:16 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got a built-up 350 in the garage, that would work. Wait, what? Did you lose a car? Forgive me if I'm way behind. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
On Dec 5, 2014 8:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Could be legit. I wonder if rubber cement would work or if the solvent would eat the record. Maybe liquid latex? Its pretty benign stuff. This cat says wood glue, I've heard that before also: http://120studio.com/vinylcleaning.htm Best, Tim needs to get out to work on the MBs so he can post on topic again ;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Typical MBCA Behavior
Decent guy. He and I were co-admin on MBCA 114/115 forums when it was still a good place to frequent. He knows his stuff, had trouble with spelling, but never was a dick to anybody over the years I worked with him. HE now has a program to fly out to your place and do work on your project car to get it back on the road. Might not be low cost, but would work for the guy who does not swing a wrench but has a stack of cash. About what the new MBCA group is On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Just thought I would mention that I got an email from Tom Harruff, President and Publisher of the SWFL Section, informing me that Scott Suits was not re-elected RD this year and Pierre Hedary took his place. Funny, as I don't recall ever mentioning Scott in the discussion about the local section recently. And why would I care? And who the heck is Pierre Hedary, like I would know this person, or it would matter to me? Dan ___ http://pierrehedary.com/ Sez they work on pre 1993 MBs. Can't fault em for that. I was under the impression that he had an attitude, but I may be wrong about that. Never met they guy. http://www.benzshops.com/florida/pierre-hedarys Just copied some verbage from the above. https://www.facebook.com/pierrehedarys Well, the shop does not look too fru-fru. May be a decent guy. or not I dunno. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 18:30:04 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. MOVs are a form of semiconductor device that act like a sponge, so to speak, and prevent voltages above a certain threshold to be “clamped” or absorbed by the MOV. Sorry Dan, I can't leave that one alone. An MOV is better described as a switch. A very fast switch that turns itself on above particular voltage and turns back off when below that voltage. Thus it doesn't absorb anything! It simply shorts the line to prevent the voltage from getting high enough to cause damage. Actually, I must disagree with you, Philip. It's really a very fast switch in series with a zener diode. When the surge comes along, the MOV limits the maximum excursion of the voltage. The current (and thus power) required to do that goes into the MOV. MOV's do absorb the surge energy -- that's why they have surge ratings. The one I spec'ed from Digikey has a surge rating of 155 joules. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair
Thus it doesn't absorb anything! It simply shorts the line to prevent the voltage from getting high enough to cause damage. ... to cause damage _other than to itself_! It does absorb energy, into itself. When they've had enough, they explode. They almost always fail shorted, at voltages lower than their rating, and usually below the operating voltage, hence the explosion/fracturing/burning. Every surge they absorb takes a toll. They're a sucky little component, but they're cheap and fairly effective. For a time, which means they're perfect for modern life. (No long-term serviceability, or other thinking.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] '84 300D GPR
Sounds like an intermittent poor ground connection to me - I ended up adding a second ground strap between the block and the chassis in the W115 and that ended all the starting issues for me. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Sat morning fun
Sacrilege! Use the engine from your rusty TD, or transplant a turbo diesel from one of your SD cars. You must have like two or three star cars with no drivers. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Dec 6, 2014 12:16 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got a built-up 350 in the garage, that would work. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Secure Storage, was Transcoding LPs to Digital
Greg, Good luck with your new NAS. FYI, my old, budget DS211J has a gigabit network connection. Do I am surprised that any current NAS systems have 100Mb LAN interfaces. I'll be interested in your experience with the WD unit. -Original Message- From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Once again thanks to y'all for your knowledgeable input! I looked at Synology products but finally opted for a WD 8 TB My Cloud NAS. The price and small form factor were appealing, and I understand that these now are equipped with WD red series HDDs. My experiences with WD products has been good in the past. Another factor in my decision was that the WD has gigabit Ethernet as opposed to the 100 Mb of the Synology. This looked to me to be the best bang for buck. A smaller disk size would probably have worked for my needs, but the additional cost for the larger size was not much. The 8 TB was actually cheaper than the 6 TB. I'm not sure that the remote access features are needed for my family, but then I don't need to enable them. I will provide follow up on this if any of you are interested. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
