date:20141231

Dang it, I said that wrong. Sorry.  It should be “Gas Cubby”.

Dan who’s ears are still ringing from the New Year’s Eve party he just left...


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> 
> ‎Original Message  
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:35 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] Android Based Auto Maintenance Software
> ‎
>> Anyhoo, I didn’t have an answer >for him as I use an iOS app called >“Gas 
>> Buddy”.
> 
> 
> What he said. Gas Buddy is available for Android and even BlackBerry.  That 
> is, if this is the app you are referring to. 
> 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gbis.gbandroid&hl=en
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Re: [MBZ] Android Based Auto Maintenance Software

2014-12-31 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

‎Original Message  
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:35 PM
To: Mercedes List
Reply To: Dan Penoff
Subject: [MBZ] Android Based Auto Maintenance Software
‎
>Anyhoo, I didn’t have an answer >for him as I use an iOS app called >“Gas 
>Buddy”.

What he said. Gas Buddy is available for Android and even BlackBerry.  That is, 
if this is the app you are referring to. 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gbis.gbandroid&hl=en

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Android Based Auto Maintenance Software

2014-12-31 Thread Russ Williams via Mercedes


I've been using  aCar works for me.

On Wed,12/31/14 21:34, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Eldest son is starting to show some real promise in that tonight he asked me if 
I could recommend a good Android based application for tracking gas 
consumption, maintenance, etc., on the S420.

Made me proud…

Anyhoo, I didn’t have an answer for him as I use an iOS app called “Gas Buddy”.

Anyone have suggestions on an Android app they have used for such that I might 
be able to pass along?

Thanks, and as Eddie Murphy said in the movie “Trading Places”, “Merry New 
Year!” to all!

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] purple Mercedes was stolen

2014-12-31 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

G: A purple Mercedes is too much temptation for some people. I wonder if it had 
big wheels and spinners too?

Rich Thomas wrote:

> Pants Up!  Don't Carjack!
> 
> http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/12/30/4697359_police-man-suspected-in-carjacking.html?rh=1
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[MBZ] Android Based Auto Maintenance Software

Eldest son is starting to show some real promise in that tonight he asked me if 
I could recommend a good Android based application for tracking gas 
consumption, maintenance, etc., on the S420.

Made me proud…

Anyhoo, I didn’t have an answer for him as I use an iOS app called “Gas Buddy”.

Anyone have suggestions on an Android app they have used for such that I might 
be able to pass along?

Thanks, and as Eddie Murphy said in the movie “Trading Places”, “Merry New 
Year!” to all!

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

2014-12-31 Thread Michael Esh via Mercedes

Well said!  Get off it. 

Michael E. Esh
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> On Dec 31, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> RB wrote:
>> No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this.
> 
> Blow it away, really, guys.
> Don't be so thin skinned.
> Jabbhursty is excellent.  We each have rough spots and Jabbahursty
> wears well - not very rough.  Ya just gotta roll with it.  Just like
> with Q.  I always expected an FU from Q.
> mao
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[MBZ] glückliches neues Jahr


Alles:

glückliches neues Jahr

kann Ihr MERCEDES-BENZ, der gut laufen gelassen wird

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

2014-12-31 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

We lived in a similar but probably smaller house in Louisville during the 
1930s. The original gas jets were still in place as were folding shutters on 
the inside of the windows. Like many city families during the Depression, we 
had a "boarder" who occupied one bedroom, and a small child about my age whose 
father was a deadbeat dad, and whose mother worked to support the child and 
herself. Maintainence on the house was extreme with seemingly constant roof, 
plumbing, and other repairs. We kept chickens in the backyard as did our 
neighbors. Sister brought loads of coal home in the back seat of her '35 Chevy 
from the produce company where she worked. Relatives from out of town would 
stay with us for a week at a time while they tried to find work in Louisville.
Father, mother, 2 boarders, 2 sisters, myself, and frequent relatives didn't 
make for a peaceful family life, but we all survived the Depression intact as a 
family; something many other families did not achieve.

It was with sorrow that I went back to the neighborhood years later and found 
that all the houses on our side of Breckenridge at Barrett Avenue; including 
ours; had been purchased and destroyed by the Baptist Hospital behind us and 
turned into a parking lot. That house had always seemed the most like home to 
me during the 8 times we moved during my childhood.

My apologies for getting off the subject. Happy New Year, folks!
...  

> I restored two 1875 Victorian mansions in Goldsboro, NC, in 1984 to 1988; 
> "bofum" still had a lot the original gas tubing for the lighting system 
> installed.  All of the fixtures were converted to 'lectric many years ago.
> 
> Wilton
> 
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> From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> To: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>; "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles
> 
> 
> > We lived in a house in 1941, '42 and '43 that had no electricity, but it 
> > had had carbide (acetylene) lights at some time before we occupied it. 
> > Some of the tubing and parts of the fixtures were still in place.  Near 
> > the rear of the house was a small building that had been the carbide plant 
> > for making the acetylene by the interaction of water and calcium carbide, 
> > a small amount of which was still there.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 
> > To: ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>G: You might say it was becoming "common" beginning in the late 1920s. 
> >>>Parents had a frig and Maytag wringer washer before I was born in 1929, 
> >>>as did aunts family; both of which were blue collar working class and not 
> >>>"rich".
> >>>
> >>>I remember replacing the belt on my sisters ammonia frig in the early 
> >>>1940s, but our apartment in Tampa still had an icebox in 1946 after WW-2. 
> >>>Nationwide, such "progress" has always been spotty it seems.
> >>>
> >>>The only place people could enjoy air conditioning before window units 
> >>>became available in the early 1950s was downtown stores and movie 
> >>>theatres; especially in the South. People would often go the the movies 
> >>>just to get away from the 24/7 heat and humidity of Tampa in the summer.
> >>
> >> At the National Museum of Naval Aviation, the WWII homefront display 
> >> shows a home with a kitchen cupboard with flour bin/sifter, a glass 
> >> butter churn, a hand meat grinder, and a refrigerator with a globe 
> >> condensor on top.  So, according to that museum, refrigerators were 
> >> common before /during WWII.  YMMV, and certainly on farms without 
> >> electricity, there was no Refer.
> >>
> >> My grandmother had a refrigerator with the cylindrical condensor on top 
> >> until the 60s when we moved it to the boathouse.  My other grandparents 
> >> had a Delco light plant in the 20s until rural electric came through.  It 
> >> was still there until about 1970 when my dad sold it.
> >>
> >> If LT Don is lurking, the museum now has an enlarged USCG display.
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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

2014-12-31 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:24:21 -0500 Michael Esh via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Why is this being brought up again?

Yes, indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

2014-12-31 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Michael wrote:
> Why is this being brought up again?

Really.
Totally.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

2014-12-31 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

RB wrote:
> No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this.

Blow it away, really, guys.
Don't be so thin skinned.
Jabbhursty is excellent.  We each have rough spots and Jabbahursty
wears well - not very rough.  Ya just gotta roll with it.  Just like
with Q.  I always expected an FU from Q.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

2014-12-31 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Curly wrote:
> Isn't your car a euro or RTW model, not a USA 123?
> That could make a difference.

Euro VIN  It could make the difference, I dunno.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

2014-12-31 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Ascoltate e ripetete:)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Simple.  Don't touch the steel lines unless you are replacing or testing 
> injectors.  Replace the rubber hoses annually.
> 
> Now, repeat it back to me.
> 
> 
>> Slow down and repeat that, please.  That's a lot to absorb...
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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

Simple.  Don't touch the steel lines unless you are replacing or 
testing injectors.  Replace the rubber hoses annually.


Now, repeat it back to me.



Slow down and repeat that, please.  That's a lot to absorb...


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Re: [MBZ] Aladdin. Was: An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

2014-12-31 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 01:46:10 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > At camp we've got a hot blast lantern
> 
> > I want to get a cold blast lantern as I've read that they put out
> > a white light.

Hot blast? Cold blast?  What are we talking about here?

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

2014-12-31 Thread Michael Esh via Mercedes

Why is this being brought up again?

Michael E. Esh
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> On Dec 31, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 30/12/2014 9:54 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 2. Gary at buyeuroparts dot com.
>>> Personalities aside, business is business.
>> No way.  There comes a point where I choose to take my business to
>> a vendor who doesn't abuse me.
>> 
>> 
> 
> No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Questions

2014-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

The W210 also rusts badly, had a recall for the front upper spring mount 
fracturing off the frame because it was spot welded on and improperly 
rustproofed, thank you Chrysler.


4matics don't have spring perches.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

2014-12-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Slow down and repeat that, please.  That's a lot to absorb...

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:45 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> The rubber, fabric-covered lines are RETURN lines; the bent steel ones are
> injector SUPPLY lines.   ;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "ernest breakfield" ; "Mercedes
> Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
>
>
>
>  You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors?  Or the flexible
>> rubber/cloth lines between each injector?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  be careful what you "clean the engine" with; the stock return lines are
>>> pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners.
>>>
>>> i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are
>>> in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known
>>> new
>>> good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on
>>> the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to
>>> eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>  Great input - thanks.  Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for
 the fuel to appear.  The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every
 other
 case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored).  Mine are still
 dry
 and white from one end to the other.

 This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with
 it?

 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and

> you
>
>  go for replacement, then replace all the injectors.  Or better yet,
>> have
>> them rebuilt by someone competent.
>>
>> But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible.  I
>> just
>> confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very
>> poorly, nailing and knocking.  The injectors looked recently installed
>> as
>> they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt
>> them
>> with new nozzles anyway.  Huge improvement.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Jaime
>>
>>  I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not
>>
> seated
> properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never
> from
> the body of an injector.  If the nozzles and nozzle holders are
> un-fiddled
> with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the
> leak,
> (99%)  If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the
> they
> may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Questions

2014-12-31 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes

On Dec 31, 2014 4:22 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> > Does "premium fuel only" really mean "premium fuel only"?
>
> The consensus over at Benzworld seems to be that the resulting drop in
economy ends up making it a wash, and introduces the risk of damage to the
catalytic converter and engine.  That may be anecdotal, I haven't seen any
proof.

On my 92 Volvo 940, a discrete knock sensor would compensate for the fuel
grade, down to 87 octane or so.  Mileage was close to 20% better for 93
versus 87, so I would do the calculation when I stopped at the pump.  Most
of the time premium was cheaper, but that was a long time ago.  I don't
know about Mercedes, just wanted to share my observation...

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Questions




I'm in the same boat, the W214s are getting a bit long in the tooth 
and I don't like ANY of the newer ones very much.


Peter


Grand caravans, frods and impalas are all pretty good now.

I will keep my mechanically injected diesels and a van unless some 
year I buy a sprinter.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

2014-12-31 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

The rubber, fabric-covered lines are RETURN lines; the bent steel ones are 
injector SUPPLY lines.   ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "ernest breakfield" ; "Mercedes 
Discussion List" 

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors?  Or the flexible
rubber/cloth lines between each injector?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

be careful what you "clean the engine" with; the stock return lines are
pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners.

i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are
in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known 
new

good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on
the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to
eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak.

cheers!
e

On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Great input - thanks.  Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for
the fuel to appear.  The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every 
other

case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored).  Mine are still
dry
and white from one end to the other.

This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with 
it?

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and

you

go for replacement, then replace all the injectors.  Or better yet, 
have

them rebuilt by someone competent.

But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible.  I 
just

confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very
poorly, nailing and knocking.  The injectors looked recently installed
as
they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt
them
with new nozzles anyway.  Huge improvement.

Good luck,
Jaime

 I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not

seated
properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never
from
the body of an injector.  If the nozzles and nozzle holders are
un-fiddled
with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the
leak,
(99%)  If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the 
they

may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Questions

We ran 89 octane (pump sticker) e10 in the e320 124 with no problem 
related to the fuel.  the wires in what I'd call the throttle body 
but MB calls something else shed their insulation.  A used part from 
the junkyard cured it.


Now they have dropped the pump rating to 87, but I don't have the 
gasser any more.



Yeah. On topic and everything.
Some of these are opinion questions.

Is the W210 chassis worth owning?

With decent 123 prices going through the roof, and parts becoming 
less easy to find, it might be time to modernize a bit.


What kind of fuel mileage does a W140 get?

Yeah, I'd consider one of those too. Dan P. seems to wax ecstatic 
about them quite often. I value his opinion. 


Does "premium fuel only" really mean "premium fuel only"?

With modern computers and electronic fuel and ignition management, I 
would think lesser fuels could be used. The "Marshall Booth" answer 
would be NEIN! But I drive like a geezer, so I could sacrifice some 
performance, and be quite content. 


Thanks,

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Questions

2014-12-31 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

Premium means premium unless you want to burn the plugs off on a  
regular basis.  W210 chassis probably has a knock sensor, but it will  
respond to the knock by greatly reducing advance, so lesser grades of  
fuel result in really bad fuel milage.  Buy premium.


Electronics are the weak link in the later cars, to the point I see  
fairly recent ones in the you-yank-it yards on a regular basis.


The W210 also rusts badly, had a recall for the front upper spring  
mount fracturing off the frame because it was spot welded on and  
improperly rustproofed, thank you Chrysler.


I'm in the same boat, the W214s are getting a bit long in the tooth  
and I don't like ANY of the newer ones very much.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Questions

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. On topic and everything. 
> Some of these are opinion questions. 
> 
> Is the W210 chassis worth owning? 

Todd Knutson has a couple of them and he says the later ones are pretty 
bulletproof.  As with any of the models, later is always better.

> What kind of fuel mileage does a W140 get?‎

I keep very accurate mileage figures with my cars, and I have averaged 17 mpg 
in the 1995 S500 coupe over almost two years.  In the short time I have had the 
1998 S420 (since September 7) I am averaging 19.1 mpg.  Again, later seems to 
be better in a lot of respects.  The 4.2 liter version of the M119 seems to be 
a little lighter on fuel consumption.  

> Yeah, I'd consider one of those too. Dan P. seems to wax ecstatic about them 
> quite often. I value his opinion. 

Thank you.  I have been lucky in that I have been able to get high mileage well 
maintained cars, and I think that has a lot to do with it.  Both of the W140s 
have over 270k on the clocks, and no indications of slowing down.  While they 
are complex cars compared to the W123 or W126, their warts are well known and 
can be avoided if you’re a careful buyer.  The electronics are pretty rock 
solid, and while there are a number of “fancy” systems on them, they have been 
pretty well dissected by the DIY community and are easy to troubleshoot and 
repair, so I’ve found.  Benzworld’s W140 forum has been a big help as far as 
information.

> Does "premium fuel only" really mean "premium fuel only”?

I don’t know what the downside is to running regular unleaded in them, as I’ve 
never tried it.  I have to assume you’ll see a performance drop, but again, I 
don’t have a point of reference because I’ve never done it.  My cars get only 
Top Tier premium, and they run quite well.  I did run the S500 on Sam’s and 
other no-name (premium) gas brands without any difficulties, but it was still 
premium.  The consensus over at Benzworld seems to be that the resulting drop 
in economy ends up making it a wash, and introduces the risk of damage to the 
catalytic converter and engine.  That may be anecdotal, I haven’t seen any 
proof.

> With modern computers and electronic fuel and ignition management, I would 
> think lesser fuels could be used. The "Marshall Booth" answer would be NEIN! 
> But I drive like a geezer, so I could sacrifice some performance, and be 
> quite content. 

He’s dead, and he never had a W140 to the best of my knowledge.  I have to 
assume you could do it and the computers would compensate for any 
inefficiencies.  As for long term effects, who knows?  Performance is relative. 
 I rarely ever put my foot into my car(s), so worrying about spinning tires 
isn’t an issue for me.

You can get a pretty decent W140 sedan from the late 90s for $5k.  If you want 
to troll around the beater bin, I see them around here regularly for as little 
as $1200.  I would do my best to buy a 1996 or later, as the big issues like AC 
evaporators and disintegrating wiring harnesses have been dealt with by then.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Aladdin. Was: An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

2014-12-31 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

They're pretty uncommon here... The thing I don't like is that they use a bunch 
of rubber bits that have to be renewed occasionally. Coleman used metal on 
metal usually with flare fittings or tapered threads that don't often fail. 
Coleman also used a simpler pump that almost never fails.

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: sigh what a day

2014-12-31 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

I dunno what's wrong with the engine yet. Until I pull the clutch I can't pull 
the engine...

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

2014-12-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors?  Or the flexible
rubber/cloth lines between each injector?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> be careful what you "clean the engine" with; the stock return lines are
> pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners.
>
> i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are
> in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new
> good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on
> the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to
> eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
> On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Great input - thanks.  Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for
>> the fuel to appear.  The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other
>> case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored).  Mine are still
>> dry
>> and white from one end to the other.
>>
>> This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it?
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and
>>> you
>>>
 go for replacement, then replace all the injectors.  Or better yet, have
 them rebuilt by someone competent.

 But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible.  I just
 confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very
 poorly, nailing and knocking.  The injectors looked recently installed
 as
 they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt
 them
 with new nozzles anyway.  Huge improvement.

 Good luck,
 Jaime

  I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not
>>> seated
>>> properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never
>>> from
>>> the body of an injector.  If the nozzles and nozzle holders are
>>> un-fiddled
>>> with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the
>>> leak,
>>> (99%)  If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they
>>> may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking.
>>>
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[MBZ] Mercedes Questions

2014-12-31 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Yeah. On topic and everything. 
Some of these are opinion questions. 

Is the W210 chassis worth owning? 
 
With decent 123 prices going through the roof, and parts becoming less easy to 
find, it might be time to modernize a bit. 

What kind of fuel mileage does a W140 get?‎

Yeah, I'd consider one of those too. Dan P. seems to wax ecstatic about them 
quite often. I value his opinion. 

Does "premium fuel only" really mean "premium fuel only"?

With modern computers and electronic fuel and ignition management, I would 
think lesser fuels could be used. The "Marshall Booth" answer would be NEIN! 
But I drive like a geezer, so I could sacrifice some performance, and be quite 
content. 

Thanks,

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

2014-12-31 Thread ernest breakfield via Mercedes

be careful what you "clean the engine" with; the stock return lines are 
pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners.


i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that 
are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with 
known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible 
solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's 
the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak.



cheers!
e


On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Great input - thanks.  Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for
the fuel to appear.  The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other
case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored).  Mine are still dry
and white from one end to the other.

This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it?

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you

go for replacement, then replace all the injectors.  Or better yet, have
them rebuilt by someone competent.

But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible.  I just
confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very
poorly, nailing and knocking.  The injectors looked recently installed as
they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them
with new nozzles anyway.  Huge improvement.

Good luck,
Jaime


I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated
properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from
the body of an injector.  If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled
with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak,
(99%)  If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they
may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking.


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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder


On 30/12/2014 9:54 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:



No way.  There comes a point where I choose to take my business to
a vendor who doesn't abuse me.



No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this.

RB


100% agree.I won't buy from a horses _ss for anything.  There is 
always someone else you can buy from, whatever the product.


If we are looking for price, autohausAZ is hard to beat.  If we want 
OE, certain dealers that advertise in the Star are good.  (mostly 
East or west cost.  I have a shop who swears by a dealer in Kansas 
City, but I don't know which one.


And there is the Classic center.

And car-part.com for used

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Re: [MBZ] Aladdin. Was: An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

2014-12-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

I vaguely remember Tilly lanterns from mycampfire days  as being very good,
but not much else...

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:46 AM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Curt wrote:
> >
> > There are kerosene Coleman lanterns too.
>
> I know. *smiles*  Rare as working ACC-I systems.  I'm keeping my
> eye open for a Petromax.  Still need the font pressurized, though.
>
> > Lately I'm into Tilly though. Weird little lanterns. I've got an
> > Aladdin that Fred gave me, nice and quiet and frugal on fuel. At
> > camp we've got a hot blast lantern
>
> Tilly? Or Aladdin?  Or something else?
>
> > I want to get a cold blast lantern as I've read that they put out
> > a white light.
>
> I too have read that the cold blast is whiter.  I don't remember
> what brand lamp I was reading about, though...
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[MBZ] Fw: An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

2014-12-31 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

I restored two 1875 Victorian mansions in Goldsboro, NC, in 1984 to 1988; 
"bofum" still had a lot the original gas tubing for the lighting system 
installed.  All of the fixtures were converted to 'lectric many years ago.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

We lived in a house in 1941, '42 and '43 that had no electricity, but it 
had had carbide (acetylene) lights at some time before we occupied it. 
Some of the tubing and parts of the fixtures were still in place.  Near 
the rear of the house was a small building that had been the carbide plant 
for making the acetylene by the interaction of water and calcium carbide, 
a small amount of which was still there.

Wilton

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G: You might say it was becoming "common" beginning in the late 1920s. 
Parents had a frig and Maytag wringer washer before I was born in 1929, 
as did aunts family; both of which were blue collar working class and not 
"rich".

I remember replacing the belt on my sisters ammonia frig in the early 
1940s, but our apartment in Tampa still had an icebox in 1946 after WW-2. 
Nationwide, such "progress" has always been spotty it seems.

The only place people could enjoy air conditioning before window units 
became available in the early 1950s was downtown stores and movie 
theatres; especially in the South. People would often go the the movies 
just to get away from the 24/7 heat and humidity of Tampa in the summer.

At the National Museum of Naval Aviation, the WWII homefront display 
shows a home with a kitchen cupboard with flour bin/sifter, a glass 
butter churn, a hand meat grinder, and a refrigerator with a globe 
condensor on top.  So, according to that museum, refrigerators were 
common before /during WWII.  YMMV, and certainly on farms without 
electricity, there was no Refer.

My grandmother had a refrigerator with the cylindrical condensor on top 
until the 60s when we moved it to the boathouse.  My other grandparents 
had a Delco light plant in the 20s until rural electric came through.  It 
was still there until about 1970 when my dad sold it.

If LT Don is lurking, the museum now has an enlarged USCG display.

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On 30/12/2014 9:54 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

2. Gary at buyeuroparts dot com.
Personalities aside, business is business.

No way.  There comes a point where I choose to take my business to
a vendor who doesn't abuse me.




No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this.

RB

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On 30/12/2014 9:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:





My grandmother had a refrigerator with the cylindrical condensor on 
top until the 60s when we moved it to the boathouse.  My other 
grandparents had a Delco light plant in the 20s until rural electric 
came through.  It was still there until about 1970 when my dad sold it.




You must have been strong!
I only helped move one of those refrigerators once, but I have not 
forgotten it.
The top was removable from the body of the refrigerator but I don't know 
what it weighed.

It must have been made of cast iron and lead.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: sigh what a day

On 30/12/2014 5:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I'll cut out all the angst and explanation. Today I managed to:
1. Fix many leaks in a snowmobile exhaust, some of my best welding.
2. Lock up a snowmobile engine - different machine than the exhaust I was
working on but one of my favorites
3. Kill my compressor - Twas only a Harbor Freight cheapie 2 gallon 1HP but I'd
had it for awhile and liked it. I ran it low on oil and then worked it hard and
the connecting rod bearing seized. Since I had nothing to lose I pulled it
apart and broke the cooling fan. The bearing in question sits quite high and
must get lubricate by magic, I'm not sure I understand how the oil gets up
there, maybe blowby splashes oil up? With the top end removed I was able to get
the bearing free but doubtless its not a happy piece of equipment.
Looking at the HF website I think I'll get this:
http://www.harborfreight.com/21-gal-25-hp-125-psi-cast-iron-vertical-air-compressor-61454.html
21 gal, 2.5HP which is the one I probably should have gotten in the first
place...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: sigh what a day

With air compressors, bigger is better. I have an 80 gallon like this:
http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/80-gallon-2-stage-cast-iron-industrial-air-compressor/A-p8475014e

Looks like the closest on HF is this one:
http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon-165-psi-two-stage-air-compressor-93274.html

On 30/12/2014 5:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

I usually have a toolbox in the vehicle, but for whatever reason that 
was one trip where I had nothing at all with me.
I have made up a tool roll (as it is easier to hide under the back seat) 
that I take in the truck when we go out of town. I also have a bag with 
wire, tape, pull ties etc as a bit of an emergency kit.


RB

On 30/12/2014 5:37 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Randy wrote:

I have a similar story of my own but not for a motorhome.
My 86 Taurus kept make growling noises but I could not see
anything wrong with it.
I had no tools with...

For shame!


... to buy the things I had not thought of earlier - hand
cleaner, paper towel, a screwdriver, etc.

Wow.  You really were caught!

I have tools and those sorts of supplies even if I'm just hauling
wood half a mile [1 km] from the field.


Got the pump on and returned the rental car by noon and headed
for home.

Well, good for you!!!  I'll leave Wilton to give you the official
"Attaboy".

Do you travel with a few more tools and supplies now?

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