Re: [MBZ] Old airbag

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Protocol demands a few minimums.

1. You must launch something in the explosion.
2. Said something must be both interesting and unusual, preferably messy.
3. A youtube video must be made and posted of the setup, the event, and the
aftermath.

Your Darwin Award application has been pre-mailed. Please instruct you
surviving family members on how to fill it out prior to the "event".

;))

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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>
> These things are obviously harmless since they are designed to explode in
> peoples faces.
> Just sit on it and pull the trigger. If it doesn't prove to be all that
> safe, you would be a strong candidate for a Darwin Award.
> http://www.darwinawards.com/
> Gerry
>
>  > I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in
> general, I should test this airbag to see if it still works.  Of course,
> testing just one is not statistically significant.  Hopefully others will
> join my test program.
> > >
> > > Do you think 12 volts will detonate the charge?  Have to take video to
> post on YouTube.
> > > Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] Old airbag

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

 
These things are obviously harmless since they are designed to explode in 
peoples faces. 
Just sit on it and pull the trigger. If it doesn't prove to be all that safe, 
you would be a strong candidate for a Darwin Award.
http://www.darwinawards.com/
Gerry 

 > I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in 
 > general, I should test this airbag to see if it still works.  Of course, 
 > testing just one is not statistically significant.  Hopefully others will 
 > join my test program.
> > 
> > Do you think 12 volts will detonate the charge?  Have to take video to post 
> > on YouTube.
> > Max Dillon

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Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Put the ML in that super low range, stump puller mode, and let it pull that
POS out of the mud  :-)
Assuming that you've put the new tires on it already - - -

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> My tractor is not big enough to lift the truck. I have dug out all around
> the pits but it's hung up in the middle probably the diffs. I did try
> jacking it up last week but may try it again.
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] W123 noises

[OK Don via Mercedes]

In my experience, u-joints "clunk" when they wear out. Next, they break.
Your drive shaft has one u-joint in the center with rubber flex disks on
both ends. The half shafts that power the rear wheels have CVJs (constant
velocity joints) on both ends. They also tend to clunk when wearing out,
usually first heard when turning, but not always.
Perhaps you have a wheel bearing going dry and self-destructing?

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> 240D has u-joints, correct?
> I have road noise when cold.  Today was warm and had noise until
> things got warm.  I have thought it sounded like squirrel cage motor
> running from air flow, but I speed up the heater fan and no change in
> noise.  Then I suspected bearings or brakes so I felt the wheels, but
> they are always cool to touch.  Today it struck me that perhaps the
> noise is u-joints, if this car has them.  The noise might be right
> front and the it gets loud at highway speed, and then it suddenly cuts
> out, so I suspect cold grease getting warm and circulating.  High
> pitch that gets quite loud when cold, and then suddenly quits.
> Does anyone have experience with noises from failing u-joint, if the
> driveshaft has them?
> Thanks.
> mao
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[MBZ] W123 noises

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

240D has u-joints, correct?
I have road noise when cold.  Today was warm and had noise until
things got warm.  I have thought it sounded like squirrel cage motor
running from air flow, but I speed up the heater fan and no change in
noise.  Then I suspected bearings or brakes so I felt the wheels, but
they are always cool to touch.  Today it struck me that perhaps the
noise is u-joints, if this car has them.  The noise might be right
front and the it gets loud at highway speed, and then it suddenly cuts
out, so I suspect cold grease getting warm and circulating.  High
pitch that gets quite loud when cold, and then suddenly quits.
Does anyone have experience with noises from failing u-joint, if the
driveshaft has them?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

My tractor is not big enough to lift the truck. I have dug out all around the 
pits but it's hung up in the middle probably the diffs. I did try jacking it up 
last week but may try it again.

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> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:24 PM, David & Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 2/21/2015 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Last weekend I was unloading a car in the back 40. On this particular car it 
>> was to be parked in front of another car so I put the ramps down and hook a 
>> strap to the read end of the car on the trailer and hook it to the front of 
>> the car behind then proceed to pull the truck forward to pull the trailer 
>> out from under the car. Done this method many times. This time the car got 
>> hung up on the trailer,
>> I think the Exhaust was having to low.
>> Long story short the truck is now buried up to the axles. Today I get my 
>> fathers 4x4 suburban out there it did not even budge it, then got the 
>> trailer out from behind it and hooked to the suburban and pulled it around 
>> front to use wench on trailer to pull it out, wench not big enough. Then 
>> hooked 4x4 tractor and suburban up and the 2 pulling together did not budge 
>> it. Guess I'm going to have to call the wrecker.
> 
> Couldn't perhaps use the tractor 3PH and a chain to lift on the truck's 
> trailer hitch?  Then put something in the pits where the rear wheels were 
> stuck?  Getting the rear end up a bit might save damage to the exhaust when 
> the truck is pulled out.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun

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On 2/21/2015 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Last weekend I was unloading a car in the back 40. On this 
particular car it was to be parked in front of another car so I put 
the ramps down and hook a strap to the read end of the car on the 
trailer and hook it to the front of the car behind then proceed to 
pull the truck forward to pull the trailer out from under the car. 
Done this method many times. This time the car got hung up on the 
trailer,

I think the Exhaust was having to low.
Long story short the truck is now buried up to the axles. Today I 
get my fathers 4x4 suburban out there it did not even budge it, 
then got the trailer out from behind it and hooked to the suburban 
and pulled it around front to use wench on trailer to pull it out, 
wench not big enough. Then hooked 4x4 tractor and suburban up and 
the 2 pulling together did not budge it. Guess I'm going to have to 
call the wrecker.


 Couldn't perhaps use the tractor 3PH and a chain to lift on the 
truck's trailer hitch?  Then put something in the pits where the 
rear wheels were stuck?  Getting the rear end up a bit might save 
damage to the exhaust when the truck is pulled out.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV


Oldest stuck 4x4 trick in the book..  Jack it up and throw rock, 
sand, fence posts tor whatever is available under the tires.   Its 
what the hi lift jack was for.


Not sure the current crop of shovey pickups will stand up to the high 
lift jack. may bend up the bumper/ spring the frame, etc.   YMMV  Now 
a 1950s vintage Power wagon no problem.


The value of 4wd is to insure that you get thoroughly stuck when you get stuck.

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Re: [MBZ] One for Wilt

[wiltonw--- via Mercedes]

Good joke, but the skin is wrinkled, especially on the ground, because of the 
aircraft's semimonocoque design and construction - the skin carries part of the 
load.

Thanks for the question; made me check the records.

Wilt

 G Mann  wrote: 
> Thanks.
> 
> Somehow, I just knew you and the old bird had history, which prompted my
> question.
> 
> Time flies, even if we don't, huh? Buffs have endured far beyond original
> design life span. It sure says volumes for how well they were designed and
> built.
> 
> I used to think the fuselage skin was wrinkled because of the bomb loads
> weight.. now I know it is just "age wrinkles" ... ;))
> 
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:18 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes <
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> 
> > 55 hours in 007 in '74 and '75.  Also many uncounted hours with it on
> > nuclear alert '72 through Jul '75, though, unless it was in another unit
> > then.  Many hours also in 002 through 010 and others.  The 17 aircraft in
> > the unit rotated through the alert force - on alert 3 or 4 months each
> > time; not flying, of course.  We'd go through periods of flying the same
> > few aircraft for several months and then not fly those again for several
> > months while they were on alert - always 4 on alert.  Crew alert tours were
> > a week every third week.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] One for Wilt

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Thanks.

Somehow, I just knew you and the old bird had history, which prompted my
question.

Time flies, even if we don't, huh? Buffs have endured far beyond original
design life span. It sure says volumes for how well they were designed and
built.

I used to think the fuselage skin was wrinkled because of the bomb loads
weight.. now I know it is just "age wrinkles" ... ;))

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 55 hours in 007 in '74 and '75.  Also many uncounted hours with it on
> nuclear alert '72 through Jul '75, though, unless it was in another unit
> then.  Many hours also in 002 through 010 and others.  The 17 aircraft in
> the unit rotated through the alert force - on alert 3 or 4 months each
> time; not flying, of course.  We'd go through periods of flying the same
> few aircraft for several months and then not fly those again for several
> months while they were on alert - always 4 on alert.  Crew alert tours were
> a week every third week.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun

[David & Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes]

On 2/21/2015 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Last weekend I was unloading a car in the back 40. On this particular car it 
was to be parked in front of another car so I put the ramps down and hook a 
strap to the read end of the car on the trailer and hook it to the front of the 
car behind then proceed to pull the truck forward to pull the trailer out from 
under the car. Done this method many times. This time the car got hung up on 
the trailer,
I think the Exhaust was having to low.
Long story short the truck is now buried up to the axles. Today I get my 
fathers 4x4 suburban out there it did not even budge it, then got the trailer 
out from behind it and hooked to the suburban and pulled it around front to use 
wench on trailer to pull it out, wench not big enough. Then hooked 4x4 tractor 
and suburban up and the 2 pulling together did not budge it. Guess I'm going to 
have to call the wrecker.


 Couldn't perhaps use the tractor 3PH and a chain to lift on the 
truck's trailer hitch?  Then put something in the pits where the rear 
wheels were stuck?  Getting the rear end up a bit might save damage to 
the exhaust when the truck is pulled out.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV


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Re: [MBZ] Old airbag

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A war that's over or the war that never really ended?

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You can come out to my vast estate and set it off when the neighbors are
> having war day and shooting and blowing sh...tuff up. That would be most
> every Sunday.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:29 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> 12V will definitely set it off.
>
> BE CAREFUL!  Its best to do this far away from anything, with a long long
> wire.  They pack a very serious punch and can really fly high into the air.
>
> And please do take a video :-)
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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>
> > So I've replaced my '87 wagon airbag with the '91 from the knackers.
> >
> > What to do with the old?
> >
> > I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in
> > general, I should test this airbag to see if it still works.  Of course,
> > testing just one is not statistically significant.  Hopefully others will
> > join my test program.
> >
> > Do you think 12 volts will detonate the charge?  Have to take video to
> > post on YouTube.
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Re: [MBZ] Old airbag

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You can come out to my vast estate and set it off when the neighbors are having 
war day and shooting and blowing sh...tuff up. That would be most every Sunday. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:29 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:

12V will definitely set it off.

BE CAREFUL!  Its best to do this far away from anything, with a long long
wire.  They pack a very serious punch and can really fly high into the air.

And please do take a video :-)

Jaime


On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So I've replaced my '87 wagon airbag with the '91 from the knackers.
> 
> What to do with the old?
> 
> I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in
> general, I should test this airbag to see if it still works.  Of course,
> testing just one is not statistically significant.  Hopefully others will
> join my test program.
> 
> Do you think 12 volts will detonate the charge?  Have to take video to
> post on YouTube.
> --
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> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Master cylinder?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Advance Auto has remans here for a little over $100.  The same at Autozone.  
The MBUSA part is around $220.

Amazingly, Advance also has brake boosters for this car for barely $100.  I 
thought they would be a lot more expensive.

Dan




> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think I got one was like $45 from flaps
> 
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
> 
> On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Those are plentiful and relative cheap to replace.
> 
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sounds possible.
>> 
>> A giveaway is if you sit at a stop with your foot on the pedal and it
>> leaks down.  Clear indicator that the cups on the master cylinder piston
>> are leaking.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
 On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Clearly, I'm the king of Junkers. I borrowed my girlfriend's landlords'
>> 1986 300E the other day to get up to Maine from MA while the 240D was at my
>> mechanic.
>>> Car had been fine until earlier today when the brakes felt a bit weak. I
>> didn't make much of it until a little while ago when the brakes really
>> started failing. Pedal to the floor and at best 20% braking left. I looked
>> at reservoir and it was fine. I looked around car and couldn't find any
>> obvious leaks but again it was dusk and cold and snowy out so I didn't look
>> thoroughly.
>>> I pumped brakes at stop light and the pedal would get a bit stiffer but
>> braking action was not really any better. I'm assuming master cylinder is
>> at fault here. What do you think?
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Re: [MBZ] Master cylinder?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I think I got one was like $45 from flaps

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On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Those are plentiful and relative cheap to replace.

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> Sounds possible.
> 
> A giveaway is if you sit at a stop with your foot on the pedal and it
> leaks down.  Clear indicator that the cups on the master cylinder piston
> are leaking.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Clearly, I'm the king of Junkers. I borrowed my girlfriend's landlords'
> 1986 300E the other day to get up to Maine from MA while the 240D was at my
> mechanic.
>> Car had been fine until earlier today when the brakes felt a bit weak. I
> didn't make much of it until a little while ago when the brakes really
> started failing. Pedal to the floor and at best 20% braking left. I looked
> at reservoir and it was fine. I looked around car and couldn't find any
> obvious leaks but again it was dusk and cold and snowy out so I didn't look
> thoroughly.
>> I pumped brakes at stop light and the pedal would get a bit stiffer but
> braking action was not really any better. I'm assuming master cylinder is
> at fault here. What do you think?
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

OK Don sez:  Concord?


The prince of darkness was involved with that too.

Renault

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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

If the flap on the bottom of the thermostat isn't correct, it won't 
work properly and will cause overheating if it doesn't close off the 
short circuit around the block it is supposed to seal off.  This is 
designed to heat the engine up more quickly, and in spite of the 
very simple design, I'm always amazed at how many variations there 
are from the factory spec.  After all, to make one you would only 
need measure a factory thermostat and make sure the diameter of the 
flap is the same and the locations hot and cold match.


I've had this issue many times (radiator caps are also a problem, 
many don't seal well and often are rated for 14 psi rather than 
20)


My parts supplier only uses Behr or Whaler thermostats  if he cannot 
get genuine Mercedes, and even then occasionally you get a bad one.  
Behr and Whaler are OEM suppliers, so they always fit, have the 
correct bleed valves in the proper places, etc.  Other sources are 
usually correct only in the diameter of the main housing, quite 
often that is the only thing identical.


Peter


Good write up Peter.

The thermostat is designed to circulate through the block and until 
the coolant  gets warm enough to generate some heat from the heater. 
Once the coolant gets above operating temp, the main thermostat opens 
up and allows the coolant to go into the radiator for cooling.   IF 
nobody has checked the radiator with an IR Thermometer when it is 
overheating, then we really don't know for sure the radiator is good 
unless a radiator shop did a flow test.


Suspects:
thermostat
air in coolant
something blocking flow in the block
Something blocking flow in the radiator, hoses, etc.

Simplest tests:  Blocked open thermostat
IR thermometer: measure temps of entire system when overheating.

Has anyone tried turning the heater and fan on full blast when it is 
overheating?  that is an old time trick for desert and high altitude 
driving.  The heater pulls heat out of the coolant too.  Often it 
makes the difference between go/no go on deetriot iron of the 
60s/70s.   Fortunately, the MB cooling system is pretty robust.  The 
only time I had to turn on the heater was mountian climbing at high 
altitude.  At about 12k feet my 200D (now 2.4) ran out of cooling 
capacity, and we had to turn around.


The escort Diesel tended to overheat at about 4-6k feet.

If I understand this correctly, Dwight ran the car for miles and 
years without problem, then the over heating started.  If this is 
correct, what changed while the car was in Dwights ownership?   There 
appears to be a change between no problem/problem.  Something caused 
the change.


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Re: [MBZ] Old airbag

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

12V will definitely set it off.

BE CAREFUL!  Its best to do this far away from anything, with a long long
wire.  They pack a very serious punch and can really fly high into the air.

And please do take a video :-)

Jaime


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>
> What to do with the old?
>
> I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in
> general, I should test this airbag to see if it still works.  Of course,
> testing just one is not statistically significant.  Hopefully others will
> join my test program.
>
> Do you think 12 volts will detonate the charge?  Have to take video to
> post on YouTube.
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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Curly wrote:

 The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France"


...


 Third world country.   Not exactly known for making fine machinery.



Airbus?
mao


Exactly

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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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Concord?

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> Curly wrote:
> >> The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France"
>
> ...
>
> > Third world country.   Not exactly known for making fine machinery.
> >
>
> Airbus?
> mao
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Old airbag

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Wire it to the grille and drive into a tree.

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> Ya gonna sit on it for the detonation?  ;<)  Please don't.
>
> Wilt
>
>  Max Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:
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> >
> > What to do with the old?
> >
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> join my test program.
> >
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> post on YouTube.
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Re: [MBZ] Master cylinder?

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Those are plentiful and relative cheap to replace.

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> Sounds possible.
>
> A giveaway is if you sit at a stop with your foot on the pedal and it
> leaks down.  Clear indicator that the cups on the master cylinder piston
> are leaking.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Clearly, I'm the king of Junkers. I borrowed my girlfriend's landlords'
> 1986 300E the other day to get up to Maine from MA while the 240D was at my
> mechanic.
> > Car had been fine until earlier today when the brakes felt a bit weak. I
> didn't make much of it until a little while ago when the brakes really
> started failing. Pedal to the floor and at best 20% braking left. I looked
> at reservoir and it was fine. I looked around car and couldn't find any
> obvious leaks but again it was dusk and cold and snowy out so I didn't look
> thoroughly.
> > I pumped brakes at stop light and the pedal would get a bit stiffer but
> braking action was not really any better. I'm assuming master cylinder is
> at fault here. What do you think?
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Re: [MBZ] Old airbag

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Ya gonna sit on it for the detonation?  ;<)  Please don't. 

Wilt

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> 
> What to do with the old?
> 
> I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in 
> general, I should test this airbag to see if it still works.  Of course, 
> testing just one is not statistically significant.  Hopefully others will 
> join my test program.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Porcupine

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It sits under the fan under the wiper assembly 

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> Just don't remember seeing it when I had my 124 fan housing on the bench and 
> all apart for evapectomy several years ago.
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[MBZ] Porcupine

[wiltonw--- via Mercedes]

Just don't remember seeing it when I had my 124 fan housing on the bench and 
all apart for evapectomy several years ago.

Wilt

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[MBZ] Old airbag

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

So I've replaced my '87 wagon airbag with the '91 from the knackers. 

What to do with the old?

I think that in the interest of science and the Mercedes community in general, 
I should test this airbag to see if it still works.  Of course, testing just 
one is not statistically significant.  Hopefully others will join my test 
program.

Do you think 12 volts will detonate the charge?  Have to take video to post on 
YouTube.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

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Yes, buried under the hood, under the windshield wiper and all the rain gutter 
pieces at the base off the windshield.
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On February 21, 2015 6:38:32 PM EST, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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>It's under the blower motor in the fan housing, kinda a pain to get  
>out (you have to hold your left hand in the right position as you fish 
>
>around with your right, etc).  Usually dirty, too.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun

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You'll need more than one wench, I'm thinking ten or fifteen.  ;)

Once some wenches pushed a car out of a snow bank while I drove, but I think 
there were about four of them.  Young strong high school wenches.  The wench 
who was driving lost control and spun into the ditch.  I was a passenger, along 
with the rest.  Only male, so I was in charge I guess.  Told 'em to push while 
I drove, got it back on the road, and promptly got out of the driver's seat and 
told the original wench driver that she should keep driving.  She made a face 
and they all complained that I made them push, gave 'em something to talk about 
for the rest of the trip.


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On February 21, 2015 6:36:53 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
 then got
>the trailer out from behind it and hooked to the suburban and pulled it
>around front to use wench on trailer to pull it out, wench not big
>enough. 

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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Maybe.

Trust me, if it was dipped in the Gulf it will be apparent in seconds after 
looking at the undercarriage.

Dan


> On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Regional prejudice.  How do you know it didn't take a dip in the Gulf?


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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

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Bingo, nice picture of a big rust bubble if you look.
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>Some years in Bawstun.  Not a good thing, especially for body and
>undercarriage.  

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

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It's under the blower motor in the fan housing, kinda a pain to get  
out (you have to hold your left hand in the right position as you fish  
around with your right, etc).  Usually dirty, too.


Peter

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[MBZ] Okie acres fun

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Last weekend I was unloading a car in the back 40. On this particular car it 
was to be parked in front of another car so I put the ramps down and hook a 
strap to the read end of the car on the trailer and hook it to the front of the 
car behind then proceed to pull the truck forward to pull the trailer out from 
under the car. Done this method many times. This time the car got hung up on 
the trailer,
I think the Exhaust was having to low.
Long story short the truck is now buried up to the axles. Today I get my 
fathers 4x4 suburban out there it did not even budge it, then got the trailer 
out from behind it and hooked to the suburban and pulled it around front to use 
wench on trailer to pull it out, wench not big enough. Then hooked 4x4 tractor 
and suburban up and the 2 pulling together did not budge it. Guess I'm going to 
have to call the wrecker.

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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

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Regional prejudice.  How do you know it didn't take a dip in the Gulf?

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> Some years in Bawstun.  Not a good thing, especially for body and
> undercarriage.  The one I’m looking at tomorrow has never been out of
> Florida.  Especially important when considering that it probably needs
> nitrogen spheres.  Those fittings are a real bear to get loose, even on a
> car that is clean underneath…
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Here's a '97 S500 on ebay in GA that is under 100K and priced at
> $3700/bo.  Can't say as I like the color but chacun a son gout...
> >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-Vehicle-Trim-Beautiful-1997-Mercedes-S500-the-hallmark-of-Luzury-/181665950545?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a4c226b51&item=181665950545&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
> <
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-Vehicle-Trim-Beautiful-1997-Mercedes-S500-the-hallmark-of-Luzury-/181665950545?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a4c226b51&item=181665950545&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > I would do the Volt.  I'm closer to home.  She's pushing for me to find
> another car so she can sell the Mazda 6 and drive the SL500.
> >
> > I'm really jonesing for a 2000 E55 AMG but the seller has been less than
> communicative about the car.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Max Dillon  > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like a much better deal than a Volt for your wife!
> > > --
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

At the risk of being redumdant ... The thermostat needs to be installed in a
particular orientation (arrow up).  There is an air vent passage in the
thermostat casting to vent trapped air the thermostat; if plugged this would
prevent proper bleeding of air when re-filling the system.


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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎From Mao:

Curly wrote:
>>> The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France"

...

>> Third world country.   Not >>exactly known for making fine >>machinery.
>

>Airbus?

Now that's redundant.  

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEH7OpnA-I4&sns=em

http://www.airdisaster.com/investigations/af296/af296.shtml#ipsc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Airbus_A320_family


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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Some years in Bawstun.  Not a good thing, especially for body and 
undercarriage.  The one I’m looking at tomorrow has never been out of Florida.  
Especially important when considering that it probably needs nitrogen spheres.  
Those fittings are a real bear to get loose, even on a car that is clean 
underneath…

Dan


> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Here's a '97 S500 on ebay in GA that is under 100K and priced at $3700/bo.  
> Can't say as I like the color but chacun a son gout...
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-Vehicle-Trim-Beautiful-1997-Mercedes-S500-the-hallmark-of-Luzury-/181665950545?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a4c226b51&item=181665950545&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
>  
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I would do the Volt.  I'm closer to home.  She's pushing for me to find 
> another car so she can sell the Mazda 6 and drive the SL500.
> 
> I'm really jonesing for a 2000 E55 AMG but the seller has been less than 
> communicative about the car.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Max Dillon  > > wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like a much better deal than a Volt for your wife!
> > --
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> > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Master cylinder?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sounds possible.

A giveaway is if you sit at a stop with your foot on the pedal and it leaks 
down.  Clear indicator that the cups on the master cylinder piston are leaking.

Dan


> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
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> 
> Clearly, I'm the king of Junkers. I borrowed my girlfriend's landlords' 1986 
> 300E the other day to get up to Maine from MA while the 240D was at my 
> mechanic.
> Car had been fine until earlier today when the brakes felt a bit weak. I 
> didn't make much of it until a little while ago when the brakes really 
> started failing. Pedal to the floor and at best 20% braking left. I looked at 
> reservoir and it was fine. I looked around car and couldn't find any obvious 
> leaks but again it was dusk and cold and snowy out so I didn't look 
> thoroughly. 
> I pumped brakes at stop light and the pedal would get a bit stiffer but 
> braking action was not really any better. I'm assuming master cylinder is at 
> fault here. What do you think?
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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Curly wrote:
>> The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France"

...

> Third world country.   Not exactly known for making fine machinery.
>

Airbus?
mao

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[MBZ] Master cylinder?

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Clearly, I'm the king of Junkers. I borrowed my girlfriend's landlords' 1986 
300E the other day to get up to Maine from MA while the 240D was at my mechanic.
Car had been fine until earlier today when the brakes felt a bit weak. I didn't 
make much of it until a little while ago when the brakes really started 
failing. Pedal to the floor and at best 20% braking left. I looked at reservoir 
and it was fine. I looked around car and couldn't find any obvious leaks but 
again it was dusk and cold and snowy out so I didn't look thoroughly. 
I pumped brakes at stop light and the pedal would get a bit stiffer but braking 
action was not really any better. I'm assuming master cylinder is at fault 
here. What do you think?

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

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Where's the 124 porcupine?  Directly above front passenger's feet in my/Tim's 
350SDL. Replaced it once with shaky hands and bassackward view via mirror; got 
it done anyway.

Wilt
  
 Max Dillon via Mercedes  wrote: 
> Thanks Curly and Wilton.  Very nice to have fixed it for a nice low price.  
> Fortunate I found it so quickly.  There are several yards scattered about 
> Charleston, a couple up the road a bit in Summerville that I need to check 
> out someday.
> 
> Yes, big heat sink on the blower regulator is called a porcupine.  It's 
> aluminum, so I'll add it to my pile that will be sold to a recycler.
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheels

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ATTABOY!

Wilt

 Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote: 
> After I installed the blower regulator, went back to the knackers armed
> with the tools to remove the steering wheel from the 124 coupe.  It is a
> nice black leather-wrapped wheel. My '87 300TD has a blue plastic thing,
> and the outer layer of the rim has come loose from the core at the top of
> the wheel, so you can twist it a bit.  Really feels cheesy and cheap.
> 
> Tools required: Torx 30 driver, with a bit of a long neck to be able to
> reach the two screws that hold the airbag in place.  10mm hex driver, on a
> breaker bar or wrench with a cheater bar.
> 
> I had the counter guy check to see if the steering wheel from the '91 300CE
> was compatible, and his 'puter said that almost all 124 models up through
> '93 were compatible, so I pulled the wheel and airbag (and a few other
> bits) and the wheel was $10, the airbag $40.
> 
> I just checked the EPC, and according to MB, the CE model steering wheel is
> only compatible through the end of model year 1991.
> 
> Going to install that now.
> 
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[MBZ] 124 Steering Wheels

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

After I installed the blower regulator, went back to the knackers armed
with the tools to remove the steering wheel from the 124 coupe.  It is a
nice black leather-wrapped wheel. My '87 300TD has a blue plastic thing,
and the outer layer of the rim has come loose from the core at the top of
the wheel, so you can twist it a bit.  Really feels cheesy and cheap.

Tools required: Torx 30 driver, with a bit of a long neck to be able to
reach the two screws that hold the airbag in place.  10mm hex driver, on a
breaker bar or wrench with a cheater bar.

I had the counter guy check to see if the steering wheel from the '91 300CE
was compatible, and his 'puter said that almost all 124 models up through
'93 were compatible, so I pulled the wheel and airbag (and a few other
bits) and the wheel was $10, the airbag $40.

I just checked the EPC, and according to MB, the CE model steering wheel is
only compatible through the end of model year 1991.

Going to install that now.

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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Curly and Wilton.  Very nice to have fixed it for a nice low price.  
Fortunate I found it so quickly.  There are several yards scattered about 
Charleston, a couple up the road a bit in Summerville that I need to check out 
someday.

Yes, big heat sink on the blower regulator is called a porcupine.  It's 
aluminum, so I'll add it to my pile that will be sold to a recycler.
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'95 E300
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[MBZ] One for Wilt

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55 hours in 007 in '74 and '75.  Also many uncounted hours with it on nuclear 
alert '72 through Jul '75, though, unless it was in another unit then.  Many 
hours also in 002 through 010 and others.  The 17 aircraft in the unit rotated 
through the alert force - on alert 3 or 4 months each time; not flying, of 
course.  We'd go through periods of flying the same few aircraft for several 
months and then not fly those again for several months while they were on alert 
- always 4 on alert.  Crew alert tours were a week every third week.  

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] bought this lovely 300td 1985 today

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Tell us more:

Color?  Leather seats?  Mileage?  AC blows ice cold?  Rust spot about the
size of a quarter?  Good rubber?  All power options, including AT and PS
and PB?   Upgraded Alpine stereo?  Roof rack?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Here's a '97 S500 on ebay in GA that is under 100K and priced at $3700/bo.
Can't say as I like the color but *chacun a son gout...*

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-Vehicle-Trim-Beautiful-1997-Mercedes-S500-the-hallmark-of-Luzury-/181665950545?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a4c226b51&item=181665950545&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

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> I would do the Volt.  I'm closer to home.  She's pushing for me to find
> another car so she can sell the Mazda 6 and drive the SL500.
>
> I'm really jonesing for a 2000 E55 AMG but the seller has been less than
> communicative about the car.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like a much better deal than a Volt for your wife!
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Re: [MBZ] interesting 123

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I had to replace the KLIMA relay in my 1985 300TD - is that the one located
inconveniently behind the RF side kick panel?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 7:44 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
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> > Donald wrote:
>
> > I have never had an 85.  Isn't there some weird stuff about the
> > 85 that is unique.
>
> Yeah, a few things.  I wish none of mine were '85s.  Don't like
> them.
>
> They have the KLIMA system that ties the tachometer and the AC
> compressor turning and other stuff into one egg basket.
>
> The differential ratio is longer-legged so the engine is turning
> slower.  So slow that the turbo is not improving the engine
> efficiency at 55-60 MPH [88-97 km/hr].
>
> Possibly to compensate for the decrease in driveline gear reduction
> from the differential, the torque converter has a higher stall
> speed.
>
> There are a number of extra vacuum and electro-vacuum devices under
> the hood for various stuff.  I think at least one of them is for
> "smoothing shifting" - which is another way of saying "more slip
> and wear on each shift".
>
> So all told, I would avoid the 1985 models.  Andrew likes 'em for
> some reason, though...
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

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ATTABOY!

Does the 124 have a "porcupine?"

Wilt

 Max Dillon via Mercedes  wrote: 
> The "new" blower regulator is installed and working, took about an hour and 
> forty-five minutes.
> 
> I realize now that as the old regulator was failing, it may have been 
> generating a lot of heat.  I noticed that setting the temp lower would not 
> always produce lower vent air temperature, especially for the side vents.  
> We'll see during my test ride after I finish lunch.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 08:49:03 -0600 Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
wrote:


 Right.  the dodge resistor pack is essentially an electric heater. It
 provides supplemental heat as it is mounted.   dogde mounts it in the
 heater duct through the front of the firewall.  so the heat goes into
 the heater duct and the mounting is steel to steel, not plastic.


They had a good idea! But, I presume, it also added heat in summer.

Craig


Most people run AC with the blower on High, which would minimize the 
heat generated.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Dan, copy on the steering wheel.

All: "new" regulator works.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300



That is a score!  Congrats and attaboy!

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The "new" blower regulator is installed and working, took about an hour and 
forty-five minutes.

I realize now that as the old regulator was failing, it may have been 
generating a lot of heat.  I noticed that setting the temp lower would not 
always produce lower vent air temperature, especially for the side vents.  
We'll see during my test ride after I finish lunch.
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Max.

I suspect that something like this would go in short order, but it's a long 
shot I'm willing to take.  A good price for a used one that's in decent 
condition without an air bag is probably $200.  I have a spare airbag so that's 
not a concern.

Dan


> On Feb 21, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> 
> Dan, copy on the steering wheel.
> 
> All: "new" regulator works.
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan, copy on the steering wheel.

All: "new" regulator works.
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[MBZ] bought this lovely 300td 1985 today

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Max,

This goes for everyone on the list:

If anyone sees a wood and leather steering wheel on an R129 or W140 in the 
knackers, let me know.  They are pretty much interchangeable between the two 
chassis.  I watch for them on eBay regularly but they're usually trashed or 
stupid expensive.  A guy had one cheap this week but he leather was trashed.  I 
was wondering how much it would cost to have the leather recovered or 
replaced...

I found one a while back and put it on the S500 coupe.  I just drove it a few 
weeks ago and I REALLY liked it, not to mention it looks really nice, too!

Dan


> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Home from LKQ now, $11.25 for a used blower regulator from a '91 coupe, 157k 
> miles on the clock.
> 
> Rich, there were a coupe 126 cars, both gassers, coupe and a sedan.
> 
> If I get this in quickly, and it works, may go back for the nice black 
> steering wheel in the coupe.  Didn't have my torx bits with me to get the air 
> bag off.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On February 21, 2015 10:23:06 AM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>>> I don't think a DC motor is going to care how the RMS voltage and
>>> current are decreased.
>> 
>> No.  It doesn't usually even care that it is _DC_!
>> The 'universal' motor type, in other words.
>> 
>> The porcupine is also mounted in the airflow from
>> the fan so its supplemental heat is used.  (Unless
>> you have the AC on for cooling purposes, then it's
>> working against you.)
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would do the Volt.  I'm closer to home.  She's pushing for me to find another 
car so she can sell the Mazda 6 and drive the SL500.

I'm really jonesing for a 2000 E55 AMG but the seller has been less than 
communicative about the car.

Dan




> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a much better deal than a Volt for your wife!
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:20:30 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> To clarify:  The seller is asking $2000 in the CL ad, but she already
> told me she's got $1600 in it and would take that just to get out from
> under the car.

Interesting! Let us know how the checkout goes!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 124 body wiring harness

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Dan,

After I sent that, realized that I probably can figure out the answer using the 
EPC.
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On February 21, 2015 8:39:15 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I think the heated seat bits have a separate harness.  At least I know
>they did on the W126.
>
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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

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Sounds like a much better deal than a Volt for your wife!
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 08:49:03 -0600 Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Right.  the dodge resistor pack is essentially an electric heater. It 
> provides supplemental heat as it is mounted.   dogde mounts it in the 
> heater duct through the front of the firewall.  so the heat goes into 
> the heater duct and the mounting is steel to steel, not plastic.

They had a good idea! But, I presume, it also added heat in summer.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Home from LKQ now, $11.25 for a used blower regulator from a '91 coupe, 157k 
miles on the clock.

Rich, there were a coupe 126 cars, both gassers, coupe and a sedan.

If I get this in quickly, and it works, may go back for the nice black steering 
wheel in the coupe.  Didn't have my torx bits with me to get the air bag off.
-- 
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 21, 2015 10:23:06 AM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>> I don't think a DC motor is going to care how the RMS voltage and
>> current are decreased.
>
>No.  It doesn't usually even care that it is _DC_!
>The 'universal' motor type, in other words.
>
>The porcupine is also mounted in the airflow from
>the fan so its supplemental heat is used.  (Unless
>you have the AC on for cooling purposes, then it's
>working against you.)
>
>-- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes but the current thermostat came from the classic center right?
On Feb 21, 2015 10:24 AM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If the flap on the bottom of the thermostat isn't correct, it won't work
> properly and will cause overheating if it doesn't close off the short
> circuit around the block it is supposed to seal off.  This is designed to
> heat the engine up more quickly, and in spite of the very simple design,
> I'm always amazed at how many variations there are from the factory spec.
> After all, to make one you would only need measure a factory thermostat and
> make sure the diameter of the flap is the same and the locations hot and
> cold match.
>
> I've had this issue many times (radiator caps are also a problem, many
> don't seal well and often are rated for 14 psi rather than 20)
>
> My parts supplier only uses Behr or Whaler thermostats  if he cannot get
> genuine Mercedes, and even then occasionally you get a bad one.  Behr and
> Whaler are OEM suppliers, so they always fit, have the correct bleed valves
> in the proper places, etc.  Other sources are usually correct only in the
> diameter of the main housing, quite often that is the only thing identical.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

If the flap on the bottom of the thermostat isn't correct, it won't  
work properly and will cause overheating if it doesn't close off the  
short circuit around the block it is supposed to seal off.  This is  
designed to heat the engine up more quickly, and in spite of the very  
simple design, I'm always amazed at how many variations there are from  
the factory spec.  After all, to make one you would only need measure  
a factory thermostat and make sure the diameter of the flap is the  
same and the locations hot and cold match.


I've had this issue many times (radiator caps are also a problem, many  
don't seal well and often are rated for 14 psi rather than 20)


My parts supplier only uses Behr or Whaler thermostats  if he cannot  
get genuine Mercedes, and even then occasionally you get a bad one.   
Behr and Whaler are OEM suppliers, so they always fit, have the  
correct bleed valves in the proper places, etc.  Other sources are  
usually correct only in the diameter of the main housing, quite often  
that is the only thing identical.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I don't think a DC motor is going to care how the RMS voltage and
current are decreased.


No.  It doesn't usually even care that it is _DC_!
The 'universal' motor type, in other words.

The porcupine is also mounted in the airflow from
the fan so its supplemental heat is used.  (Unless
you have the AC on for cooling purposes, then it's
working against you.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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If your indy has modified the T-stat, then you may need another.


> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
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> 
> I will do the tstat trick when I get the car back from the mechanic if it's 
> not "fixed". 
> Keep in mind that our winter has been absolutely brutal and the last thing I 
> want to do is work on cars in this weather!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> As a casual observer of all this, I have been wondering why someone didn't 
>> do the test thermostat option a long time ago.  While it might not have 
>> clearly defined the issue, it certainly would narrow it down and point in 
>> the direction of the problem.  You guys have been spinning your wheels on 
>> this for far, far too long.
>> 
>> That being said, thermostat reliability between all of the suppliers has 
>> been touch and go for years.  I recall this being an issue as far back as 
>> the late 1980s when I had my first MB - a 1980 300TD.  I remember going 
>> through several "new" thermostats from different vendors before I got one 
>> that worked reliably.  Randy Steele, my parts supplier at the time and a 
>> former dealer parts guy, expressed his frustration with the lack of 
>> reliability of thermostats.  I don't recall which vendor was the worst 
>> offender, but he made it clear they all had issues.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I saw that and the OE tstat I put in is made in Germany so we clearly did 
>>> not put in junk. The cathey trick is definitely worth trying though. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Were there croissant crumbs and a Gauloises butt in the box?



Dan


> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
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>> The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France"
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HVAC blower motor diagnosis

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:47:17 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 wrote:

 You can get replacement electronics.  Chinese, so who knows how long 
 they will last, but the cheap replacement I put in the wagon works 
 fine with the new blower.\


 You cannot replace the controller with a resistor, it's a duty cycle 
 controller, controls fan speed by switching the ground in and out.  
 Blower will probably burn up if you use a resistor instead, it's meant 
 to run full power or none, not by controlling current to the blower.


The motor is an inductor and averages the voltage seen by the varying
duty cycle to have a current that varies with duty cycle. (I could type
out the equations, but ASCII makes that difficult!)

That is no different than varying the current through the motor with a
resistor, though the resistor will have a huge dissipation and get very
hot whereas the switch transistor in the controller is either on or off
and sees much less dissipation.

You won't burn out the motor, but you could either burn out your resistor
or burn yourself on it.

Craig


Right.  the dodge resistor pack is essentially an electric heater. It 
provides supplemental heat as it is mounted.   dogde mounts it in the 
heater duct through the front of the firewall.  so the heat goes into 
the heater duct and the mounting is steel to steel, not plastic.  Had 
I used it, I had planned to mount it on the bottom cover of the 
blower box.  I am not sure if it would be ok, or if would melt the 
bottom cover.


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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France"
-Curt


Third world country.   Not exactly known for making fine machinery.

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Re: [MBZ] bought this lovely 300td 1985 today

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I would love too see and here more about this vehicle. I am not surrender of 
your email. 

Michael E. Esh
231 286 2344


> On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
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> Folks
> 
> bought a lovely 300td 1985 today very cheaply
> 
> i sent a small photo to the list, but my pix never seem to get thru
> 
> anyway, it's a rust free new york car HA HA
> 
> it even has a busted off sway bar end 
> 
> it hadn't been run for a year or more … and was out of fuel
> 
> we added a gallon of diesel and primed a bit and with a good battery it fired 
> right up at about 35F this afternoon
> 
> i VERY CAREFULLY drove it 6 or 8 blocks to my shop
> 
> i would sell it
> 
> it has euro headlights and i may keep those
> 
> email me directly if you want to see photos
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] One for the Wilt

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Hardly broke in!

Dan


> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:31 AM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> The H's had 4k to 5k hours during my time with 'em.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One for the Wilt

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The H's had 4k to 5k hours during my time with 'em.

Wilton

 OK Don via Mercedes  wrote: 
> Very cool! She will be coming here - I'll keep a watch for her. The SE area
of our traffic pattern is near the NW area of the Tinker pattern. I dodge
the Tinker traffic all the time.

"This process is planned to be finished by October, at which time she take
to the air again, this time her detination will be Tinker AFB for a full
depot-level maintenance overhaul. After which, Ghost Rider will be better
off than most of the fleet that never saw the boneyard at all. She will be
fully renovated, upgraded, seen a recent depot visit and she will have less
hours than much of the existing B-52 fleet, with 17,000 hours under her
wings. The fleet average today is 18,000 hours and growing by the day."


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Re: [MBZ] CL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

To clarify:  The seller is asking $2000 in the CL ad, but she already told me 
she's got $1600 in it and would take that just to get out from under the car.

Dan

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Stumbled across a 1997 S500 on the local CL yesterday.  Cheap, ($1600) but 
> looks good.  Spoke to the owner at length, a woman who bought the car at a 
> local machinery auction at the urging of a relative (who knew nothing about 
> MBs, of course.)
> 
> Based on her description and some photos she sent the car is in good shape, 
> with 153k on the clock and everything working.  It does need nitrogen spheres 
> for the SLS, as she says it's "hard" if she goes over bumps - she had it 
> checked out by a local indie who confirmed this - which is why she's freaking 
> out over maintenance costs.
> 
> I'm intrigued over the car's history, as it was an MBUSA lease for four years 
> when new, then went into private ownership here in Tampa, where it's been all 
> of its life.  Parts buddy at the dealership pulled a history on it and it was 
> being serviced regularly until 2010 or thereabouts, when it had over 100k on 
> it.  I'm wondering how it ended up at the machinery auction, as this is a 
> place where local government sells a lot of asset seizures.  Maybe it was 
> abandoned, seized in a drug deal, who knows?  This also explains the price, 
> as I have attended this very auction and most of the buyers are, well, shall 
> we say "Bubbas" looking for their next "mudder" ruck.  Furrin' cars don't 
> seem to sell well at this place from my experience.
> 
> I'm going to pull out the laptop with the DAS system on it and a bunch of 
> tools and go over and look at it this afternoon.  Either it will be a diamond 
> in the rough or a total beater.  I'm leaning towards the former based on the 
> photos and description by the owner.  We'll see.
> 
> Dan
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[MBZ] CL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Stumbled across a 1997 S500 on the local CL yesterday.  Cheap, ($1600) but 
looks good.  Spoke to the owner at length, a woman who bought the car at a 
local machinery auction at the urging of a relative (who knew nothing about 
MBs, of course.)

Based on her description and some photos she sent the car is in good shape, 
with 153k on the clock and everything working.  It does need nitrogen spheres 
for the SLS, as she says it's "hard" if she goes over bumps - she had it 
checked out by a local indie who confirmed this - which is why she's freaking 
out over maintenance costs.

I'm intrigued over the car's history, as it was an MBUSA lease for four years 
when new, then went into private ownership here in Tampa, where it's been all 
of its life.  Parts buddy at the dealership pulled a history on it and it was 
being serviced regularly until 2010 or thereabouts, when it had over 100k on 
it.  I'm wondering how it ended up at the machinery auction, as this is a place 
where local government sells a lot of asset seizures.  Maybe it was abandoned, 
seized in a drug deal, who knows?  This also explains the price, as I have 
attended this very auction and most of the buyers are, well, shall we say 
"Bubbas" looking for their next "mudder" ruck.  Furrin' cars don't seem to sell 
well at this place from my experience.

I'm going to pull out the laptop with the DAS system on it and a bunch of tools 
and go over and look at it this afternoon.  Either it will be a diamond in the 
rough or a total beater.  I'm leaning towards the former based on the photos 
and description by the owner.  We'll see.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I will do the tstat trick when I get the car back from the mechanic if it's not 
"fixed". 
Keep in mind that our winter has been absolutely brutal and the last thing I 
want to do is work on cars in this weather!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> As a casual observer of all this, I have been wondering why someone didn't do 
> the test thermostat option a long time ago.  While it might not have clearly 
> defined the issue, it certainly would narrow it down and point in the 
> direction of the problem.  You guys have been spinning your wheels on this 
> for far, far too long.
> 
> That being said, thermostat reliability between all of the suppliers has been 
> touch and go for years.  I recall this being an issue as far back as the late 
> 1980s when I had my first MB - a 1980 300TD.  I remember going through 
> several "new" thermostats from different vendors before I got one that worked 
> reliably.  Randy Steele, my parts supplier at the time and a former dealer 
> parts guy, expressed his frustration with the lack of reliability of 
> thermostats.  I don't recall which vendor was the worst offender, but he made 
> it clear they all had issues.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I saw that and the OE tstat I put in is made in Germany so we clearly did 
>> not put in junk. The cathey trick is definitely worth trying though. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As a casual observer of all this, I have been wondering why someone didn't do 
the test thermostat option a long time ago.  While it might not have clearly 
defined the issue, it certainly would narrow it down and point in the direction 
of the problem.  You guys have been spinning your wheels on this for far, far 
too long.

That being said, thermostat reliability between all of the suppliers has been 
touch and go for years.  I recall this being an issue as far back as the late 
1980s when I had my first MB - a 1980 300TD.  I remember going through several 
"new" thermostats from different vendors before I got one that worked reliably. 
 Randy Steele, my parts supplier at the time and a former dealer parts guy, 
expressed his frustration with the lack of reliability of thermostats.  I don't 
recall which vendor was the worst offender, but he made it clear they all had 
issues.

Dan

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I saw that and the OE tstat I put in is made in Germany so we clearly did not 
> put in junk. The cathey trick is definitely worth trying though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 124 body wiring harness

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think the heated seat bits have a separate harness.  At least I know they did 
on the W126.

Dan



> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm interested to hear experience or opinions on whether or not the body 
> wiring harness is universal, or if different harnesses were installed 
> depending on options.
> 
> I'm tempted to get the bits for heated seats for my wagon today at the 
> knackers, but that is much less attractive if I also need to get all the 
> wiring harness to go with it.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Thanks, but I'm not doing the work, my mechanic is.  I did pretty much diagnose 
it, but I'm not turning the wrenches

Donald H. Snook




> On Feb 20, 2015, at 5:14 PM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a winner. Good job!
> Gerry
> 
> Donald Snook wrote:
> 
>> Tested the fuel pressure. No fuel pressure.  So, removed the pump and bench 
>> tested.  It failed.  So, replacing, fuel pump, fuel filter and fuel pump 
>> relay.  
>> 
>> Don Snook 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:32 AM
>> To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis
>> 
>> Haven't been following this thread, so this question may already have been 
>> asked:
>> Did you change the primary fuel filter? Primary AND secondary? I'm thinking 
>> of water or debris in the gas.
>> Gerry
>> 
>> --
>> Donald Snook via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>>> You know that is a great thought!   I had not even thought about that.  I 
>>> haven’t checked the codes yet, but is definitely a good idea.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Ernest and Jim for mentioning that!   If the CPS is out, it will not 
>>> start, it will just crank and act like fuel starvation!
>>> 
>>> Snook
>>> 
>>> From: ernest breakfield [mailto:erne...@backyardengineering.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:11 AM
>>> To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis
>>> 
>>> sounds very much like a Crankshaft Position Sensor failure i had on another 
>>> vehicle.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>> On 17/Feb/15 10:25, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I  know this is a Mercedes list, but I am having a problem with my BMW.   
>>> It is a 2000 BMW 740iL with 216,000 miles.   Yesterday I had to make a trip 
>>> to a town about 35 miles away and it started acting up.  It felt like a 
>>> misfire.  If I was going at a constant cruise on the highway (75-80 mph), 
>>> it was going great.  But, when I had to climb a hill or accelerate, it 
>>> started sort of jerking, like a misfire.  It felt like a bad plug or plug 
>>> wire (I know this engine doesn't have wires, but that is what it felt 
>>> like).   As I went further it got worse.   I arrived in the town, took care 
>>> of my appointment and headed back.   Same thing. If I had to accelerate, it 
>>> started jerking and bucking.  At a steady cruise it was fine.   I decided I 
>>> would replace the plugs (I have had it for over 40,000 miles and have not 
>>> done them).  I think they were done previously with a little over 120,000 
>>> miles.   I stopped at Autozone and got the plugs and headed home.  My house 
>>> is ten minutes a
>>> 
>>> w
>>> 
>>> ay.   As I pulled into my subdivision, it stalled.  It would not restart.  
>>> It just cranked and cranked.   So, I am pretty sure that means its fuel.   
>>> I parked it on the first street and walked home (it was only 5-6 blocks).   
>>> I thought I would try again in the morning.  So, my wife and drove over and 
>>> I tried starting the car.  As soon as I hit the key, it cranked and turned 
>>> over, but stumbled and died.  Then, it would only crank --  not start.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sounds like fuel, right?  The SES light came on a week or so ago.  I was 
>>> going to bring it to my guy and assumed he would say, it was O2 sensor.  
>>> Now, I am not so sure.  The SES could be signaling misfire, because I think 
>>> the computer shuts off fuel to misfiring cylinders.  But, the fact that it 
>>> will only crank now sounds like Fuel pump, fuel pump relay, etc.   Last 
>>> weekend, (not the one a couple of days ago, but the previous weekend), I 
>>> drove to Ardmore Oklahoma and back (600 miles total driven) at highway 
>>> speeds (sometimes even higher :) )  and it did great.  No problems at all.  
>>> The only thing I have noticed is that if I drove exclusively on the 
>>> highway, I could get 25-26 MPG. But, the last few trips, the best I could 
>>> get was 22-23 mpg and on this last trip it was 21.   I had attributed that 
>>> to either O2 sensor, or plugs or just winter fuel, heavy foot, etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any experience or ideas?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If I can't get it started, I am going to have to tow it to a shop.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don Snook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[MBZ] 124 body wiring harness

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm interested to hear experience or opinions on whether or not the body wiring 
harness is universal, or if different harnesses were installed depending on 
options.

I'm tempted to get the bits for heated seats for my wagon today at the 
knackers, but that is much less attractive if I also need to get all the wiring 
harness to go with it.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I saw that and the OE tstat I put in is made in Germany so we clearly did not 
put in junk. The cathey trick is definitely worth trying though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France"
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
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> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
> 
>> I think the key point is that the coolant doesn't seem to be circulating.
>> If you don't have hot water in the top of the radiator when the engine is
>> hot, you don't have circulation.  Without circulation, you will overheat.
>> So either (1) there is an obstruction, (2) the water pump isn't working, (3)
>> the thermostat isn't working, or (4) there is enough air in the system
>> (doesn't take much) that the water pump can't overcome the head pressure.
>> In terms of simple, I'd start with a thermostat that's jammed in the full
>> open position to rule out that possibility.
> 
> 
> Both Curt and Dimitri have avoided that simple test (blocked open 
> thermo) like the plague, insisting that 3 thermostats can't all be 
> bad, but experience shows  3 bad thermostats in a row is indeed a 
> possibility.
> 10-12 years ago 4 bad out of 5 was not unusual.  Common, in fact. 
> Then they got some better, but in the past few years, all production 
> is in 3rd world countries, so buying MB or Bosch is no longer a sign 
> of quality.
>   It makes no sense to me to avoid a simple test that will yield a 
> definitive answer.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France"
-Curt

  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 7:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
   
>I think the key point is that the coolant doesn't seem to be circulating.
>If you don't have hot water in the top of the radiator when the engine is
>hot, you don't have circulation.  Without circulation, you will overheat.
>So either (1) there is an obstruction, (2) the water pump isn't working, (3)
>the thermostat isn't working, or (4) there is enough air in the system
>(doesn't take much) that the water pump can't overcome the head pressure.
>In terms of simple, I'd start with a thermostat that's jammed in the full
>open position to rule out that possibility.


Both Curt and Dimitri have avoided that simple test (blocked open 
thermo) like the plague, insisting that 3 thermostats can't all be 
bad, but experience shows  3 bad thermostats in a row is indeed a 
possibility.
10-12 years ago 4 bad out of 5 was not unusual.  Common, in fact. 
Then they got some better, but in the past few years, all production 
is in 3rd world countries, so buying MB or Bosch is no longer a sign 
of quality.
  It makes no sense to me to avoid a simple test that will yield a 
definitive answer.



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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

That’s where my money is riding….


> On Feb 20, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> (4) there is enough air in the system
> (doesn't take much) that the water pump can't overcome the head pressure.

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