Re: [MBZ] works manual pdf

[fmiser via Mercedes]

MG wrote:



Does anyone have or know where I can get the workshop manual pdf
page #40-320? That would be the one that has all the information
on the measurements for an alignment. I have the one for the 126
but my CD's for the 123 didn't come with that page.


http://host-a.net/u/fmiser/

My translation of the german 40-200 and the important beginning of
40-320.  Plus my writeup on w123 toein alignment.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New gun

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I can't speak to the psychological aspects but you may want to check out USCCA 
if your concerns are legal and financial:
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/


> -Original Message-
> From:  Larry Turner via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:08 PM
> 
> that's a great way to think about it.  I carry concealed and know I'd pull the
> trigger if I or my family were threatened - but I'm not sure how I'd handle 
> the
> aftermath.
> 
> Larry
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: New gun

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

There are some pistol safes that provide pretty-fast to access and a degree
of security, like SpeedVault:
https://www.amazon.com/s?field-keywords=SpeedVault

On body carry is best but maybe uncomfortable at home.  The SpeedVault (I
prefer the pushbutton over fingerprint version) holds a full size pistol and
allows fast access, if properly sited.  A determined kid could eventually
gain access but I have no children in the house.

> On 30/01/2017 5:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> ... I have a gun within reach loaded and ready to go all over the house.
...
> A locked up gun does no good. ...
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

+1

PBS Evening news had a great segment a couple nights ago about how smart
phone apps (especially social apps) are designed to hook you and keep you
engaged.  The example given was for some social app that has a little icon
at the top of the home screen for new messages.  When you open the app,
that little icon makes you wait for a second or two and then "Bing!" you
have mail.  The wait time builds anticipation and then you are rewarded
with the new messages (like playing a slot machine).  This is Pavlov's dogs
and we are the dogs slobbering at the sound of the bell.  There are many
other ways these apps are designed to suck us in and keep us looking at
them.

The interviewer asked the "expert" who helps design these apps what he does
to avoid falling for the hook; he only has the in-out tools on his phone
home screen, and all the social / addictive apps are put into folders, out
of sight, so that an extra effort has to be made to get to them.  In-out
tools are things like the GPS map, which you use to get a specific thing
and then close it (i.e. you don't spend hours and hours scrolling through
maps).

The "expert" called this the race to the bottom of the brain stem.  Similar
to advertising, these apps are using every lever they can to influence and
control.

I hope you were all wearing your AFDB's when you read this

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> See picture attached.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:18:14 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
> think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
> Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
> once in a while)

See picture attached.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Interesting, I suppose mine has a setting like that. The biggest complaint I 
have about both Android and iOS is that there are lots of settings most of 
which I don't really care about and I don't always find them where I expect...
-Curt


  From: Scott Ritchey 
 To: 'Curt Raymond' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:28 PM
 Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
If enabled, the G4 goes into "do not disturb" when face down on a horizontal
surface, like my night stand.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:00 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
> 
> What kind of grief? Just growing pains switching from one OS to another?
> One thing I disliked about Android when I switched back was the lack of a
good
> "Do not disturb" setting so apps didn't alert me overnight. Had to
manually
> switch each app. I forget the update but 2 or 3 years ago they changed
that. I
> can't remember the old thing "Interruptions" maybe, but it was terrible.
The
> current "Do not disturb" setting is perfect.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
> 
> FWIW, I just swapped back to an iphone after having used an android for
the
> past 2 years.
> I had an iphone 4 and when the contract came up, I moved to a Samsung
> Galaxy 5. Was never all that happy.
> Caused me grief on a number of issues and I was not sorry to switch back
to
> iphone.
> Have had the new one - iphone 6 - for a month now and no problems.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

If enabled, the G4 goes into "do not disturb" when face down on a horizontal
surface, like my night stand.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:00 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
> 
> What kind of grief? Just growing pains switching from one OS to another?
> One thing I disliked about Android when I switched back was the lack of a
good
> "Do not disturb" setting so apps didn't alert me overnight. Had to
manually
> switch each app. I forget the update but 2 or 3 years ago they changed
that. I
> can't remember the old thing "Interruptions" maybe, but it was terrible.
The
> current "Do not disturb" setting is perfect.
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
> 
> FWIW, I just swapped back to an iphone after having used an android for
the
> past 2 years.
> I had an iphone 4 and when the contract came up, I moved to a Samsung
> Galaxy 5. Was never all that happy.
> Caused me grief on a number of issues and I was not sorry to switch back
to
> iphone.
> Have had the new one - iphone 6 - for a month now and no problems.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] works manual pdf

[MG via Mercedes]

Thanks Rick I appreciate it.

Manfred

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

I can send it tonight when I get home.

Rick 
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Subject: [MBZ] works manual pdf

Does anyone have or know where I can get the workshop manual pdf 
page #40-320? ‎

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[MG via Mercedes]

This is sounding better. I will have to figure out how many 
minutes I have been using per year up till now. I don't think 
it's too much.


Manfred

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:19:28 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:


So that's at base 400 min/year.


Actually, that's 400 minutes air time. The calendar days are separate.
In addition, if you get the Double Minutes for Life (DMFL) card (I forget
the cost), you will get 800 minutes when you purchase 400. And then they
have bonus minutes available.

Last time I purchased calendar and air time, I purchased a 1 year card
with 1000 minutes, which was doubled to 2000 with my DMFL and got a 250
minute bonus for a total of 1 year calendar time and 2250 minutes. That
was $159.99 + taxes. 1 year and 400 minutes (undoubled) is 99.99 + about
$8-10 of taxes.



How much do extra minutes cost?


That varies. I think they are around $0.13/minute; half that with DMFL.


Who is the carrier or is that one where you just pay at a local 
Wally's world?


The carrier I have is Verizon. They have multiple carriers available in
New Mexico. That's probably the case in Florida, too. If you know the
carriers' exchange numbers or recognize the coverage maps, you can select
the carrier when you activate a phone.

Our current phone is in area code 505 with exchange 412, which is
Verizon. I have also had a phone with exchange 231, but I don't know
which carrier that was.

You can find more information at http://www.tracfone.com/ or by asking
Mitch (and I'm surprised he hasn't piped up).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 16:58:24 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:21:23 -0500 MG via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Oh what are the units? does it mean that you are charged 2 min in 
> > some cases and 3 min in others per actual used min?
> 
> Units are minutes for any call in your home area. For roaming, depending
> on the phone, one minute talking may take one unit or two units.


That should have read,

   Units are minutes for any call FROM your home area.

There are no separate long distance charges.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:24:29 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Sounds like the way to go then. I'll look into it.

Mitch taught me all I know. :-)

Ask him or look on https://www.tracfone.com.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:21:23 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Oh what are the units? does it mean that you are charged 2 min in 
> some cases and 3 min in others per actual used min?

Units are minutes for any call in your home area. For roaming, depending
on the phone, one minute talking may take one unit or two units.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:19:28 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So that's at base 400 min/year.

Actually, that's 400 minutes air time. The calendar days are separate.
In addition, if you get the Double Minutes for Life (DMFL) card (I forget
the cost), you will get 800 minutes when you purchase 400. And then they
have bonus minutes available.

Last time I purchased calendar and air time, I purchased a 1 year card
with 1000 minutes, which was doubled to 2000 with my DMFL and got a 250
minute bonus for a total of 1 year calendar time and 2250 minutes. That
was $159.99 + taxes. 1 year and 400 minutes (undoubled) is 99.99 + about
$8-10 of taxes.


> How much do extra minutes cost?

That varies. I think they are around $0.13/minute; half that with DMFL.


> Who is the carrier or is that one where you just pay at a local 
> Wally's world?

The carrier I have is Verizon. They have multiple carriers available in
New Mexico. That's probably the case in Florida, too. If you know the
carriers' exchange numbers or recognize the coverage maps, you can select
the carrier when you activate a phone.

Our current phone is in area code 505 with exchange 412, which is
Verizon. I have also had a phone with exchange 231, but I don't know
which carrier that was.

You can find more information at http://www.tracfone.com/ or by asking
Mitch (and I'm surprised he hasn't piped up).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When I originally posted, it appeared that i would need a different 
phone to go to ATT.  As I researched, I found out the ifone 4s is sort 
of the 240D of schmardtfones.  In later posts, I posted that I had found 
out the ifone 4 would work on the att network with a different sim 
card.  I have some reservations yet, because it seems in some areas ATT 
may use bands that are not available on the 4s, if only one band is 
available.  I don't know if a tower has only one band or may have 
several bands available.   If each tower has several bands it should be 
fine.


Tar-jay has the sim cards for consumer cell and will install and 
activate the phone. (which should include a factory reset as I posted 
last night when I found out the 4s will work.)  I have to go out that 
way tomorrow am, so I will let them switch me over in the morning.  As I 
have calculated, When SWMBO is switched over, the 2 fones will cost 
$35/mo and if I add #1 daughter, the 3 fones will cost $55/mo because of 
adding more data for her.   We might get by for 45 for many months.


It was roughly 12 hours between when i posted that it appeared that the 
4s would work and when you claimed it was an hour before.  That was 2 or 
3 hours after the original post.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 11:12 AM
Ahh a change of tune, an hour ago you were looking for an iPhone 5...
-Curt



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[MBZ] Floor project

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

Lowes has a great blade for the removal of the old floor.   It is made 
in germany, Spyder, but the blade has XZX or somthing like that much 
bigger than the spyder name.  I got 2 - wide 6" blades.  They have teeth 
on both sides and one side is rounded with teeth on it.   With  that I 
was able to cut out a wall from the inside with the sheeting, siding and 
brick veneer undisturbed.  No bend, no break.  I am still using the 
first blade for a lot of other things.


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Re: [MBZ] works manual pdf

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I can send it tonight when I get home.

Rick 
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Subject: [MBZ] works manual pdf

Does anyone have or know where I can get the workshop manual pdf 
page #40-320? ‎
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[MBZ] works manual pdf

[MG via Mercedes]

Does anyone have or know where I can get the workshop manual pdf 
page #40-320? That would be the one that has all the information 
on the measurements for an alignment. I have the one for the 126 
but my CD's for the 123 didn't come with that page.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[MG via Mercedes]

Sounds like the way to go then. I'll look into it.

Thanks,
Manfred


Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 16:42:51 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

Does that include roaming and free long distance? also how many 
minutes/month is that?


That includes free long distance. Roaming is either 2 units per minute or
1 unit per minute depending on the phone.

You buy minutes and calendar days of activation ahead. The $108 I quoted
is for 1 year and 400 minutes (units). With my Double Minutes for Life
card, that means 1 year and 800 minutes. Some phones are eligible for
Triple Minutes for Life.

You can use all the minutes at once or spread them out. Or save them for
the future, they carry over as long as you keep the phone active.


Craig

  

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:18:14 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
once in a while)

We have a Tracfone 2126 we got from Mitch. It costs about $108/year,
about $9.00/month. It is a telephone.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[MG via Mercedes]

Oh what are the units? does it mean that you are charged 2 min in 
some cases and 3 min in others per actual used min?


Manfred

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 16:42:51 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

Does that include roaming and free long distance? also how many 
minutes/month is that?


That includes free long distance. Roaming is either 2 units per minute or
1 unit per minute depending on the phone.

You buy minutes and calendar days of activation ahead. The $108 I quoted
is for 1 year and 400 minutes (units). With my Double Minutes for Life
card, that means 1 year and 800 minutes. Some phones are eligible for
Triple Minutes for Life.

You can use all the minutes at once or spread them out. Or save them for
the future, they carry over as long as you keep the phone active.


Craig

  

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:18:14 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
once in a while)

We have a Tracfone 2126 we got from Mitch. It costs about $108/year,
about $9.00/month. It is a telephone.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[MG via Mercedes]

So that's at base 400 min/year. How much do extra minutes cost? 
Who is the carrier or is that one where you just pay at a local 
Wally's world?


Manfred

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 16:42:51 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

Does that include roaming and free long distance? also how many 
minutes/month is that?


That includes free long distance. Roaming is either 2 units per minute or
1 unit per minute depending on the phone.

You buy minutes and calendar days of activation ahead. The $108 I quoted
is for 1 year and 400 minutes (units). With my Double Minutes for Life
card, that means 1 year and 800 minutes. Some phones are eligible for
Triple Minutes for Life.

You can use all the minutes at once or spread them out. Or save them for
the future, they carry over as long as you keep the phone active.


Craig

  

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:18:14 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
once in a while)

We have a Tracfone 2126 we got from Mitch. It costs about $108/year,
about $9.00/month. It is a telephone.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 16:42:51 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Does that include roaming and free long distance? also how many 
> minutes/month is that?

That includes free long distance. Roaming is either 2 units per minute or
1 unit per minute depending on the phone.

You buy minutes and calendar days of activation ahead. The $108 I quoted
is for 1 year and 400 minutes (units). With my Double Minutes for Life
card, that means 1 year and 800 minutes. Some phones are eligible for
Triple Minutes for Life.

You can use all the minutes at once or spread them out. Or save them for
the future, they carry over as long as you keep the phone active.


Craig

  
> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:18:14 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
> >> think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
> >> Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
> >> once in a while)
> > 
> > We have a Tracfone 2126 we got from Mitch. It costs about $108/year,
> > about $9.00/month. It is a telephone.

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[MBZ] 85 300d $1300 obo

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There was a very nice looking black 85 300d on Craigslist here locally 
yesterday. It says it has 292k miles, was his grandmothers car and it has sat 
since she died and needs to sell it. Photos looked really good. It is deleted 
today before I had a chance to go look at it. Damn. This empty house from hell 
has been screwing me out of tons of good deals lately.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[MG via Mercedes]

Does that include roaming and free long distance? also how many 
minutes/month is that?


Manfred

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:18:14 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
once in a while)


We have a Tracfone 2126 we got from Mitch. It costs about $108/year,
about $9.00/month. It is a telephone.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Part Number Question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yes, please let me know.  Car is freezing now and we're way warmer than
normal.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
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> Copied from my texts to my dealer parts guy - I just bought two of them:
>
> "A question, if I may: A 0008350644 magnet, otherwise known as a monovalve
> kit or plunger, used to be around $260.00 list. A couple of months ago, the
> price dropped to around $50 - I remember asking you to check it for me."
>
> "$40 Wholesale"
>
> I'll post a copy of the invoice when I get home if you like.  That was on
> January 12, 2017.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 31, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Cheapest I've found doing a quick search.
> >
> > ‎http://www.mercedespartssuperstore.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=000-
> 835-06-44+=
> >
> > It's listed as a lifting magnet.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

my 4s synchs just fine with the MBP running el crap.   10.11.6


clay via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 2:53 PM
Jim, as long as all you do is call, the iphone should be fine. I hit 
the limits of my ipad’s abilities when the apps no longer were able to 
do their jobs. I probably should have just stopped trying to do online 
banking and crap like that anyway, as I now no longer use those 
things. It also started to refuse to behave with the newer OS on the 
Mac Pro. No synchie, no good. Same obsolesce with the ipod touch or 
gen 5 classic pod. I will need to toss in a partition for 10.5.8 so I 
can keep using the old stuff


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Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 10:33 AM


My wife's (now mine) 4S has worked flawlessly since she got it, shortly
after they came out. It Just Works (TM). Battery life is nowhere near
what my Razr was, but other than that...

I did replace the battery in it some time ago, which is possible for mere
mortals to do. (Not on newer ones, they're glued together.) There went
$5. Smart phones eat battery, yum. Had she bought max storage instead of
not, she'd probably still be using it. But she loads hers up with
mega-crap...

I'm still running iOS 7, and have _not_ upgraded to 8 or 9. I don't know
of anybody who's said that they are glad they have done so, and plenty
who've said they wished they could go back. (Which is not possible. At
least, not without heroic effort.) So here I sit, smug and happy, surfing
the trailing edge again.

-- Jim
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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 9:22 AM
+1, Search around for an Android phone. Daughter's Motorola was $21 on
sale at Wal-Mart, we've got her set up on a $25/month plan with unlimited
calls and texts, and data that is 4G up to some limit and then after that
throttled to a lower speed. The phone is a mid-level phone, but it does
everything we need it to do in a nice package. We are all on low-cost
carriers that use the Sprint network, no problems there, but we don't go
out in the sticks very often.

I'm pretty much ready to replace SWMBO's iPhone with an Android phone,
she's struggling too much with the darn thing and I really don't have the
patience to figure it out anymore. I picked an iPhone for her thinking it
would be easier for a non-technical person, but now I regret spending all
that money on it.

Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 8:35 AM
The iPhone 5 was the first 4G phone that Apple ever released...
Depart the iPhone, they're way expensive for what you get. A NEW 
Android phone will cost less and give more features than a used iPhone.

-Curt

From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:18 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I
think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy
once in a while)

Consumer cellular,(CC)  in spite of it tie to AA(L)RP seems to be a good
deal.  It seems that ATT now has 4gLTE in the places I roam (mostly from
the yoopers to the Gu'f Coast) and CC uses att network.
AMAC.US has an associated Cell phone provider too, using verizon, but I
have been warned by RVers that if you ever might use tethered cell phone
for internet access, that provider will rip you a new  one, so I am not
thrilled about that, as a tethered cell phone would be nice in the
yoopers area.  They are a little higher than CC also.

CC is $22.50/mo for 1500 min and 30mb data.

it appears the ifone 4s I am using will work on ATT with their sim card
and a factory reset, but some bands in some areas may not work.  I
believe the ifone4s will connect on the 3G, but not the 4GLTE, and it
has some of the ATT bands, but not all so I may end up with no service
if ATT is using a band not on the ifone 4S.

The obvious cure would be to spend $125 to 150 on a refurb/used ATT
ifone 5S, but I'd rather not have to spend that much money.

Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its super easy to replace the battery in a 5. New batteries are cheap.
-Curt

  From: clay 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
If Curly is still getting good battery life out of his 4s, he is miles ahead of 
my 5.  Got it pretty close to release and now the battery is only good for 
about a day of non use.  If I use it, then I need to hook it to power after a 
call

clay

.
> On Feb 1, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The iPhone 5 was the first 4G phone that Apple ever released...
> Depart the iPhone, they're way expensive for what you get. A NEW Android 
> phone will cost less and give more features than a used iPhone.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:18 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
> 
> I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
> think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
> Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
> once in a while)
> 
> Consumer cellular,(CC)  in spite of it tie to AA(L)RP seems to be a good 
> deal.  It seems that ATT now has 4gLTE in the places I roam (mostly from 
> the yoopers to the Gu'f Coast) and CC uses att network.
> AMAC.US has an associated Cell phone provider too, using verizon, but I 
> have been warned by RVers that if you ever might use tethered cell phone 
> for internet access, that provider will rip you a new  one, so I am not 
> thrilled about that, as a tethered cell phone would be nice in the 
> yoopers area.  They are a little higher than CC also.
> 
> CC is $22.50/mo for 1500 min and 30mb data.
> 
> it appears the ifone 4s I am using will work on ATT with their sim card 
> and a factory reset, but some bands in some areas may not work.  I 
> believe the ifone4s will connect on the 3G, but not the 4GLTE, and it 
> has some of the ATT bands, but not all so I may end up with no service 
> if ATT is using a band not on the ifone 4S.
> 
> The obvious cure would be to spend $125 to 150 on a refurb/used ATT 
> ifone 5S, but I'd rather not have to spend that much money.
> 
> MetroPCS would be ideal, as they offer unlimited phone and data for 
> $30/month, but they use tmobile, and the coverage is 2G or non existent 
> for most of the country.
> 
> Sprint still only works if you are on or near an interstate, so that is out.
> 
> Does anyone have thoughts, pertinent info, or an ATT ifone 5s you'd sell 
> cheap?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[clay via Mercedes]

Jim, as long as all you do is call, the iphone should be fine.  I hit the 
limits of my ipad’s abilities when the apps no longer were able to do their 
jobs.  I probably should have just stopped trying to do online banking and crap 
like that anyway, as I now no longer use those things.  It also started to 
refuse to behave with the newer OS on the Mac Pro.  No synchie, no good.  Same 
obsolesce with the ipod touch or gen 5 classic pod.  I will need to toss in a 
partition for 10.5.8 so I can keep using the old stuff

clay



> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm pretty much ready to replace SWMBO's iPhone with an Android phone,
>> she's struggling too much with the darn thing and I really don't have the
>> patience to figure it out anymore.  I picked an iPhone for her thinking it
>> would be easier for a non-technical person, but now I regret spending all
>> that money on it.
> 
> 
> My wife's (now mine) 4S has worked flawlessly since she got it, shortly
> after they came out.  It Just Works (TM).  Battery life is nowhere near
> what my Razr was, but other than that...
> 
> I did replace the battery in it some time ago, which is possible for mere
> mortals to do.  (Not on newer ones, they're glued together.)  There went
> $5.  Smart phones eat battery, yum.  Had she bought max storage instead of
> not, she'd probably still be using it.  But she loads hers up with
> mega-crap...
> 
> I'm still running iOS 7, and have _not_ upgraded to 8 or 9.  I don't know
> of anybody who's said that they are glad they have done so, and plenty
> who've said they wished they could go back.  (Which is not possible.  At
> least, not without heroic effort.)  So here I sit, smug and happy, surfing
> the trailing edge again.
> 
> — Jim 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[clay via Mercedes]

If Curly is still getting good battery life out of his 4s, he is miles ahead of 
my 5.  Got it pretty close to release and now the battery is only good for 
about a day of non use.  If I use it, then I need to hook it to power after a 
call

clay

.
> On Feb 1, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The iPhone 5 was the first 4G phone that Apple ever released...
> Depart the iPhone, they're way expensive for what you get. A NEW Android 
> phone will cost less and give more features than a used iPhone.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:18 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
> 
> I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
> think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
> Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
> once in a while)
> 
> Consumer cellular,(CC)  in spite of it tie to AA(L)RP seems to be a good 
> deal.  It seems that ATT now has 4gLTE in the places I roam (mostly from 
> the yoopers to the Gu'f Coast) and CC uses att network.
> AMAC.US has an associated Cell phone provider too, using verizon, but I 
> have been warned by RVers that if you ever might use tethered cell phone 
> for internet access, that provider will rip you a new  one, so I am not 
> thrilled about that, as a tethered cell phone would be nice in the 
> yoopers area.  They are a little higher than CC also.
> 
> CC is $22.50/mo for 1500 min and 30mb data.
> 
> it appears the ifone 4s I am using will work on ATT with their sim card 
> and a factory reset, but some bands in some areas may not work.  I 
> believe the ifone4s will connect on the 3G, but not the 4GLTE, and it 
> has some of the ATT bands, but not all so I may end up with no service 
> if ATT is using a band not on the ifone 4S.
> 
> The obvious cure would be to spend $125 to 150 on a refurb/used ATT 
> ifone 5S, but I'd rather not have to spend that much money.
> 
> MetroPCS would be ideal, as they offer unlimited phone and data for 
> $30/month, but they use tmobile, and the coverage is 2G or non existent 
> for most of the country.
> 
> Sprint still only works if you are on or near an interstate, so that is out.
> 
> Does anyone have thoughts, pertinent info, or an ATT ifone 5s you'd sell 
> cheap?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its interesting how fast prices have come down. 3 years ago when I was on 
Verizon I was paying $90/mo for 2GB of data and that included a 10% corporate 
discount.
Now I'm paying $30/mo for 2GB of data with Republic. I should probably step 
down to the 1GB plan, I rarely exceed 1GB of data...
-Curt

  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
Been a Verizon customer (private and corporate) for nearly 20 years, mainly due 
to their superior network and massive buildout. I have four phones and a tablet 
on Verizon right now with 12GB of data and everything else unlimited.

I just bought the last SIM-based phone to replace all the CDMA phones we had so 
I can bail to another carrier should I choose to do so. Now the oldest phone I 
own is an iPhone 5S. I've got an iPhone 6, The wife has a brand new 5SE, the 
MIL has a 5S, and the youngest son has a Samsung Android phone of some flavor. 
I've got an iPad mini that's got cellular, rarely used but handy when you need 
it.

I'm downgrading my plan with Verizon my next billing cycle to 10GB of shared 
data, as we've never come close to hitting their data limits. That will bring 
the monthly cost for all to about $160 total.  I've not found another carrier 
who can match the cost I have with Verizon and still provide good service and 
coverage.

Anyone want to buy a couple of Verizon iPhone 4s? They're just sitting in my 
desk drawer... 

-D

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[MBZ] VW Scandal

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I think this is an update to pervious stories.

Automaker, supplier will pay drivers of 3.0-liter diesel cars

Camille von Kaenel , E
News reporter
Published: Wednesday, February 1, 2017

Volkswagen AG has agreed to pay drivers of 3.0-liter diesel-engine vehicles
with defeat devices at least $1.2 billion to buy back or fix their cars.

Bosch Corp., a German supplier involved in the manufacturing of the defeat
devices the automaker used to cheat emissions standards, also agreed to
contribute at least $276 million to the settlement. It did not accept
wrongdoing or liability but decided to participate in the settlement to
focus on its own "transformative" process.

The latest Volkswagen deal follows an earlier $10 billion settlement with
drivers of 2.0-liter diesel-engine vehicles. Volkswagen will have spent
more than $20 billion to address the aftermath of its emissions cheating
scandal, including civil and criminal penalties, payments to drivers, and
funding for projects to counter environmental harm.

If the automaker does not end up finding a fix for all the 80,000 or so
3.0-liter diesel vehicles and getting it approved by U.S. EPA and the
California Air Resources Board, it could end up paying more than $4 billion
to drivers, , according to court documents filed yesterday.

Drivers of the 2009-2012 VW Touareg and the 2009-2012 Audi Q7 are eligible
for a buyback. Owners of newer vehicles for which regulators expect a fix —
the 2013-2016 VW Touareg, 2014-2016 Audi A6 and A7 quattro, 2014-2016 Audi
A8 and A8 L, 2014-2016 Audi Q5, 2013-2015 Audi Q7, and 2013-2016 Porsche
Cayenne — will get the full repair and a payment.

A federal judge in San Francisco will hold a hearing on Feb. 14 to grant
preliminary approval to the deal.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Been a Verizon customer (private and corporate) for nearly 20 years, mainly due 
to their superior network and massive buildout. I have four phones and a tablet 
on Verizon right now with 12GB of data and everything else unlimited.

I just bought the last SIM-based phone to replace all the CDMA phones we had so 
I can bail to another carrier should I choose to do so. Now the oldest phone I 
own is an iPhone 5S. I've got an iPhone 6, The wife has a brand new 5SE, the 
MIL has a 5S, and the youngest son has a Samsung Android phone of some flavor. 
I've got an iPad mini that's got cellular, rarely used but handy when you need 
it.

I'm downgrading my plan with Verizon my next billing cycle to 10GB of shared 
data, as we've never come close to hitting their data limits. That will bring 
the monthly cost for all to about $160 total.  I've not found another carrier 
who can match the cost I have with Verizon and still provide good service and 
coverage.

Anyone want to buy a couple of Verizon iPhone 4s? They're just sitting in my 
desk drawer... 

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Good Deal on an Mustang - I mean SL...

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Owning a 97 model of this car I can assure you that it's quite easy to work on 
once the air cleaner is removed.

Having the exact same engine setup in two W140 chassis cars, I can also attest 
to the ease of servicing with the R129 (SL500) versus the W140s. Since the 
convertible sits closer to the ground you're not leaning over nearly as much as 
you have to with the W140s.

There is plenty of room on both sides of the engine in the convertible as well. 
While I haven't had the need yet, I can see where the engine mounts on the 
convertible are far more accessible than on the W140 chassis cars.

-D

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> 
>> On 01/02/2017 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think it probably looks worse than it is, once you take those big plastic 
>> things off it'd be better.
>> My Jetta is a bit of a bugger for being crunched it but I suspect that kind 
>> of comes with the territory if you want 50mpg.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:54 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Good Deal on an Mustang - I mean SL...
>>Seats can be repaired.
>> Looking at the under hood photo leads me to believe that I would not
>> enjoy doing any work on that engine.
>> A bit too squeezed in for my liking.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>>> On 01/02/2017 9:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> A rip in the seat is a big red flag, esp. since there was no photo of said
>>> rip.
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, this is a timeless classic... of non-design.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Really.  Not a bad car for the money, and they’ve dealt with the
 hydraulics, which would be my biggest concern.
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html <
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html>
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:18:14 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
> think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
> Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
> once in a while)

We have a Tracfone 2126 we got from Mitch. It costs about $108/year,
about $9.00/month. It is a telephone.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

I'm not sure why there's a problem with the iPhones, maybe the newer ones. When 
I switched to CC years ago, I had two Motorola flip phones. Later when the 2 
towers went, I purchased two iPhone 3s on ebay for around $35.00 each. CC send 
me new sim cards, helped me make the switch, and get me connected. They will 
even help you with the phones features, even if you didn't purchase it from 
them. When my daughter gave me her iPhone 4, CC helped make the switch 
effortless. I don't use a lot of the phone features. I can get calls, text, 
internet/web, take pictures/movies, etc. Not sure what else I'd need or use. I 
say this having NO experience with an Android phone or knowing anyone that has 
experience with an Android phone. Like our cars (diesel or gas, new or old), 
whatever suits you and you like is what you should use. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had a 5, it was fine, then just after warranty expired the battery started to 
push the screen out of the phone. Apple replaced both the battery and the 
screen for free which tells me they knew they had a problem but didn't really 
want to admit it.
The sleep/wake button stopped working after about a year of ownership, Apple 
said it wasn't "vital for operation" so they wouldn't replace it. A couple 
months after the battery was replaced they had a recall for the sleep/wake 
button...
One thing I really did like about the 5 is that the charge and headphone ports 
were right next to each other so when using it plugged into the aux jack in the 
car it would sit nicely in a cup holder. My 2 MotoXs have the charge and 
headphone ports at opposite ends. Our Dodge truck's fold down cup holder has a 
nice groove where the phone fits well when cabled up, by Jetta does not.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
iphone 5 was ok. My wife had one and my son is now using it.
No problems with it and it is now about 3 years old.
We each had iphone 4 and my son used her old 4 until she gave him the 5.
I just gave my 4 to a friend and it still works good.

RB

On 01/02/2017 11:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Ahh a change of tune, an hour ago you were looking for an iPhone 5...
> -Curt
   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

iphone 5 was ok. My wife had one and my son is now using it.
No problems with it and it is now about 3 years old.
We each had iphone 4 and my son used her old 4 until she gave him the 5.
I just gave my 4 to a friend and it still works good.

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On 01/02/2017 11:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Ahh a change of tune, an hour ago you were looking for an iPhone 5...
-Curt

   From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

Nobody is stopping you from buying the far "superior" samsung.  I have

already explained why I won't be buying an android fone just to feel
"superior."


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 10:56 AM
Apple gear is still almost all made in China. Whats the difference
between completely from China and only partially? Apple is known to be
hiding $$ offshore to avoid paying US taxes...
When you mentioned the iPhone vs the Samsung you forgot to mention
that in most practical tests the Samsung is better than the iPhone
(except for the one that catches fire of course). Apple even basically
admitted when they sued Samsung that the Koreans were making basically
the same product for less money. Now the Koreans charge the same money
and make a superior product...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Good Deal on an Mustang - I mean SL...

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I had a 68 Chevy C10 with an inline 6 for over 20 years.
That is my kind of engine to work on. Can see and reach pretty much 
anything - so long as you have a box to stand on!
My boat is even better. 165HP Mercruiser - 250 cid inline Chevy 6 with 
the doghouse that is removable so it is not in the way.


RB

On 01/02/2017 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I think it probably looks worse than it is, once you take those big plastic 
things off it'd be better.
My Jetta is a bit of a bugger for being crunched it but I suspect that kind of 
comes with the territory if you want 50mpg.
-Curt

   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Good Deal on an Mustang - I mean SL...

Seats can be repaired.

Looking at the under hood photo leads me to believe that I would not
enjoy doing any work on that engine.
A bit too squeezed in for my liking.

RB

On 01/02/2017 9:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

A rip in the seat is a big red flag, esp. since there was no photo of said
rip.

Otherwise, this is a timeless classic... of non-design.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Really.  Not a bad car for the money, and they’ve dealt with the
hydraulics, which would be my biggest concern.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html <
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ahh a change of tune, an hour ago you were looking for an iPhone 5...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
Nobody is stopping you from buying the far "superior" samsung.  I have 
already explained why I won't be buying an android fone just to feel 
"superior."

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> February 1, 2017 at 10:56 AM
> Apple gear is still almost all made in China. Whats the difference 
> between completely from China and only partially? Apple is known to be 
> hiding $$ offshore to avoid paying US taxes...
> When you mentioned the iPhone vs the Samsung you forgot to mention 
> that in most practical tests the Samsung is better than the iPhone 
> (except for the one that catches fire of course). Apple even basically 
> admitted when they sued Samsung that the Koreans were making basically 
> the same product for less money. Now the Koreans charge the same money 
> and make a superior product...
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Good Deal on an Mustang - I mean SL...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think it probably looks worse than it is, once you take those big plastic 
things off it'd be better.
My Jetta is a bit of a bugger for being crunched it but I suspect that kind of 
comes with the territory if you want 50mpg.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Good Deal on an Mustang - I mean SL...
   
Seats can be repaired.
Looking at the under hood photo leads me to believe that I would not 
enjoy doing any work on that engine.
A bit too squeezed in for my liking.

RB

On 01/02/2017 9:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> A rip in the seat is a big red flag, esp. since there was no photo of said
> rip.
>
> Otherwise, this is a timeless classic... of non-design.
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Really.  Not a bad car for the money, and they’ve dealt with the
>> hydraulics, which would be my biggest concern.
>>
>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html <
>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html>
>>
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nobody is stopping you from buying the far "superior" samsung.  I have 
already explained why I won't be buying an android fone just to feel 
"superior."



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 10:56 AM
Apple gear is still almost all made in China. Whats the difference 
between completely from China and only partially? Apple is known to be 
hiding $$ offshore to avoid paying US taxes...
When you mentioned the iPhone vs the Samsung you forgot to mention 
that in most practical tests the Samsung is better than the iPhone 
(except for the one that catches fire of course). Apple even basically 
admitted when they sued Samsung that the Koreans were making basically 
the same product for less money. Now the Koreans charge the same money 
and make a superior product...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My biggest complaint was that it did not work well with my hands free 
device in the car. Worked fine with the built-in setup in my truck but 
not with the clip on unit I used in my cars.
Everytime I got in the car, it started playing music through the hands 
free device. I could hit the pause button on the unit to stop the 
elevator music but could not find a way to stop it from doing it.
I had a Motorola Roadster unit. Thought that might be the problem so I 
bought a new and different hands free device - cannot recall the brand - 
but it did not change anything.
Both of these units work fine with the new iphone. The Motorola worked 
fine with the iphone 4.
Searched online for answers and it became apparent that it was a common 
problem and no solution appeared to be available.


RB

On 01/02/2017 11:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

What kind of grief? Just growing pains switching from one OS to another?
One thing I disliked about Android when I switched back was the lack of a good "Do not disturb" 
setting so apps didn't alert me overnight. Had to manually switch each app. I forget the update but 2 or 3 
years ago they changed that. I can't remember the old thing "Interruptions" maybe, but it was 
terrible. The current "Do not disturb" setting is perfect.
-Curt

   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Cc: Randy Bennell 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

FWIW, I just swapped back to an iphone after having used an android for

the past 2 years.
I had an iphone 4 and when the contract came up, I moved to a Samsung
Galaxy 5. Was never all that happy.
Caused me grief on a number of issues and I was not sorry to switch back
to iphone.
Have had the new one - iphone 6 - for a month now and no problems.

RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The learning curve for ios is pretty steep, but I believe the android is 
just as steep or steeper.  At this point, I will stay with the ifone 4 
because i have it, it cost me nothing, it works without problems, it 
synchs with my MBP, and I am familiar with a few of its functions.


I am not against android, but I am completely unfamiliar with it and 
based on the learning curve for the ifone, I really don't want to go 
through the learning curve for android.


I have no interest in the latest and greatest fone or software.  I have 
been on the bleeding edge, but now live on the trailing edge.  I like it 
here better.  It is cheaper, maybe less exciting, but I don't need the 
excitement of new software that is buggy, taking stuff back because it 
does not work etc.




Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 10:51 AM
FWIW, I just swapped back to an iphone after having used an android 
for the past 2 years.
I had an iphone 4 and when the contract came up, I moved to a Samsung 
Galaxy 5. Was never all that happy.
Caused me grief on a number of issues and I was not sorry to switch 
back to iphone.

Have had the new one - iphone 6 - for a month now and no problems.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What kind of grief? Just growing pains switching from one OS to another?
One thing I disliked about Android when I switched back was the lack of a good 
"Do not disturb" setting so apps didn't alert me overnight. Had to manually 
switch each app. I forget the update but 2 or 3 years ago they changed that. I 
can't remember the old thing "Interruptions" maybe, but it was terrible. The 
current "Do not disturb" setting is perfect.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
FWIW, I just swapped back to an iphone after having used an android for 
the past 2 years.
I had an iphone 4 and when the contract came up, I moved to a Samsung 
Galaxy 5. Was never all that happy.
Caused me grief on a number of issues and I was not sorry to switch back 
to iphone.
Have had the new one - iphone 6 - for a month now and no problems.

RB   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Apple gear is still almost all made in China. Whats the difference between 
completely from China and only partially? Apple is known to be hiding $$ 
offshore to avoid paying US taxes...
When you mentioned the iPhone vs the Samsung you forgot to mention that in most 
practical tests the Samsung is better than the iPhone (except for the one that 
catches fire of course). Apple even basically admitted when they sued Samsung 
that the Koreans were making basically the same product for less money. Now the 
Koreans charge the same money and make a superior product...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
In response to Curt:  As previously posted:

"Thanks for the suggestion  I looked hard at republic.  CC is cheaper, 
and is pretty agostic about phone varieties.  Republic is android only. 
If Republic had not required spending $$$ on fones, I'd have been a 
republic customer a year ago.  I trusted my Motorola phones for years. 
(18?) When I made a living on the phone, the Motorola phone and the Blue 
Parrot bluetooth headset was better sound quality than a landline unless 
the call dropped between towers while driving.  When Motorola become 
just another chinee phone, I lost interest.  What is the difference 
between a motorloa and a huwai fone?  (or other chinee brand)  None I 
can tell!  I used the last real Motorola up until last May.  (Yes, it 
was still made in China, but it was designed in IL when the Motorola 
cell phone was an American company)  At least Samsung is made in Korea.

  The ifone camera is great, and it is nice to be able to use gasbuddy 
once in a while.  The rest of the crap is just excess baggage.  I've 
done more research and it appears the ifone4 is pretty much a world 
fone, but will not connect to the LTE stuff.  For my .5 mb/month of 
data, i doubt that makes much difference.  It also uses wifi when present."

As I said, when Motorola was a US company, I bought their phones.  Now 
that it is just another chinee brand, designed in china made in china, 
whats the difference?  Apple is still a Merkin company, and foxconn is 
talking about building a plant in the US of A.

Aside from that, the ifone 4s I have cost me $0.00, zip, nothing, (nada 
en espanol)  so how is that more expensive than a cheep chinee android?
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> February 1, 2017 at 9:46 AM
> My MotoX was $399, its bigger than an iphone5, has more memory a 
> better battery and I probably won't have to have it repaired TWICE 
> under a warranty that Apple extended because of defects in the iPhone 5...
> Angie has a MotoE which was $99, other than not having a flash its 
> every bit as good as the iPhone 5, better if you count the fact that 
> it uses a standard USB interface and has an SD card slot.
> I find it strange that you're so hard on Asian car makers but cling to 
> your Chinese made iPhone.
> My first gen MotoX was made in Texas. I replaced it last fall when the 
> USB port died, if the USB port still worked I'd still be using it.
> -Curt
>
> From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
>
> uh, yeah  A new samsung galaxy s7 is $650.  A new iphone 7 is much more
> expensive at $650.  the new iphone5 is $160  Used is $125-150
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 05:33:16 -0800 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> >
> > ...I live down in a valley with lots of hills and trees so I only get
> > 2 bars of service. I can still use it at home ok as long as I don't
> > walk around while talking.
> 
> 
> You can cure that by installing a Wilson repeater in your home.

>From http://www.wilsonsignalbooster.com/, they look to be between $400
and $800.

I looked at boosters when we moved into this metal building and I saw we
got only 2 bars inside. For that kind of money, I'll put up with 2 bars.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Good Deal on an Mustang - I mean SL...

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Seats can be repaired.
Looking at the under hood photo leads me to believe that I would not 
enjoy doing any work on that engine.

A bit too squeezed in for my liking.

RB

On 01/02/2017 9:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

A rip in the seat is a big red flag, esp. since there was no photo of said
rip.

Otherwise, this is a timeless classic... of non-design.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Really.  Not a bad car for the money, and they’ve dealt with the
hydraulics, which would be my biggest concern.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html <
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

FWIW, I just swapped back to an iphone after having used an android for 
the past 2 years.
I had an iphone 4 and when the contract came up, I moved to a Samsung 
Galaxy 5. Was never all that happy.
Caused me grief on a number of issues and I was not sorry to switch back 
to iphone.

Have had the new one - iphone 6 - for a month now and no problems.

RB

On 01/02/2017 10:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I'm pretty much ready to replace SWMBO's iPhone with an Android phone,
she's struggling too much with the darn thing and I really don't have the
patience to figure it out anymore.  I picked an iPhone for her thinking it
would be easier for a non-technical person, but now I regret spending all
that money on it.


My wife's (now mine) 4S has worked flawlessly since she got it, shortly
after they came out.  It Just Works (TM).  Battery life is nowhere near
what my Razr was, but other than that...

I did replace the battery in it some time ago, which is possible for mere
mortals to do.  (Not on newer ones, they're glued together.)  There went
$5.  Smart phones eat battery, yum.  Had she bought max storage instead of
not, she'd probably still be using it.  But she loads hers up with
mega-crap...

I'm still running iOS 7, and have _not_ upgraded to 8 or 9.  I don't know
of anybody who's said that they are glad they have done so, and plenty
who've said they wished they could go back.  (Which is not possible.  At
least, not without heroic effort.)  So here I sit, smug and happy, surfing
the trailing edge again.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In response to Curt:   As previously posted:

"Thanks for the suggestion   I looked hard at republic.  CC is cheaper, 
and is pretty agostic about phone varieties.  Republic is android only. 
If Republic had not required spending $$$ on fones, I'd have been a 
republic customer a year ago.  I trusted my Motorola phones for years. 
(18?) When I made a living on the phone, the Motorola phone and the Blue 
Parrot bluetooth headset was better sound quality than a landline unless 
the call dropped between towers while driving.  When Motorola become 
just another chinee phone, I lost interest.  What is the difference 
between a motorloa and a huwai fone?  (or other chinee brand)   None I 
can tell!   I used the last real Motorola up until last May.  (Yes, it 
was still made in China, but it was designed in IL when the Motorola 
cell phone was an American company)   At least Samsung is made in Korea.


 The ifone camera is great, and it is nice to be able to use gasbuddy 
once in a while.   The rest of the crap is just excess baggage.  I've 
done more research and it appears the ifone4 is pretty much a world 
fone, but will not connect to the LTE stuff.  For my .5 mb/month of 
data, i doubt that makes much difference.  It also uses wifi when present."


As I said, when Motorola was a US company, I bought their phones.  Now 
that it is just another chinee brand, designed in china made in china, 
whats the difference?  Apple is still a Merkin company, and foxconn is 
talking about building a plant in the US of A.


Aside from that, the ifone 4s I have cost me $0.00, zip, nothing, (nada 
en espanol)  so how is that more expensive than a cheep chinee android?

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 9:46 AM
My MotoX was $399, its bigger than an iphone5, has more memory a 
better battery and I probably won't have to have it repaired TWICE 
under a warranty that Apple extended because of defects in the iPhone 5...
Angie has a MotoE which was $99, other than not having a flash its 
every bit as good as the iPhone 5, better if you count the fact that 
it uses a standard USB interface and has an SD card slot.
I find it strange that you're so hard on Asian car makers but cling to 
your Chinese made iPhone.
My first gen MotoX was made in Texas. I replaced it last fall when the 
USB port died, if the USB port still worked I'd still be using it.

-Curt

From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

uh, yeah  A new samsung galaxy s7 is $650.  A new iphone 7 is much more
expensive at $650.  the new iphone5 is $160  Used is $125-150




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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I'm pretty much ready to replace SWMBO's iPhone with an Android phone,
> she's struggling too much with the darn thing and I really don't have the
> patience to figure it out anymore.  I picked an iPhone for her thinking it
> would be easier for a non-technical person, but now I regret spending all
> that money on it.


My wife's (now mine) 4S has worked flawlessly since she got it, shortly
after they came out.  It Just Works (TM).  Battery life is nowhere near
what my Razr was, but other than that...

I did replace the battery in it some time ago, which is possible for mere
mortals to do.  (Not on newer ones, they're glued together.)  There went
$5.  Smart phones eat battery, yum.  Had she bought max storage instead of
not, she'd probably still be using it.  But she loads hers up with
mega-crap...

I'm still running iOS 7, and have _not_ upgraded to 8 or 9.  I don't know
of anybody who's said that they are glad they have done so, and plenty
who've said they wished they could go back.  (Which is not possible.  At
least, not without heroic effort.)  So here I sit, smug and happy, surfing
the trailing edge again.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My MotoX was $399, its bigger than an iphone5, has more memory a better battery 
and I probably won't have to have it repaired TWICE under a warranty that Apple 
extended because of defects in the iPhone 5...
Angie has a MotoE which was $99, other than not having a flash its every bit as 
good as the iPhone 5, better if you count the fact that it uses a standard USB 
interface and has an SD card slot.
I find it strange that you're so hard on Asian car makers but cling to your 
Chinese made iPhone.
My first gen MotoX was made in Texas. I replaced it last fall when the USB port 
died, if the USB port still worked I'd still be using it.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 10:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
uh, yeah  A new samsung galaxy s7 is $650.  A new iphone 7 is much more 
expensive at $650.  the new iphone5 is $160  Used is $125-150

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> February 1, 2017 at 8:35 AM
> The iPhone 5 was the first 4G phone that Apple ever released...
> Depart the iPhone, they're way expensive for what you get. A NEW 
> Android phone will cost less and give more features than a used iPhone.
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

uh, yeah  A new samsung galaxy s7 is $650.  A new iphone 7 is much more 
expensive at $650.  the new iphone5 is $160  Used is $125-150



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 8:35 AM
The iPhone 5 was the first 4G phone that Apple ever released...
Depart the iPhone, they're way expensive for what you get. A NEW 
Android phone will cost less and give more features than a used iPhone.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT brickwork

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

B/c Strip said they are out of business, IIRC.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> Curley wrote:
> > Yes, Virginia, you should have weep holes!
>
> Why not have the bank be responsible?
> tin-man
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

+1, Search around for an Android phone.  Daughter's Motorola was $21 on
sale at Wal-Mart, we've got her set up on a $25/month plan with unlimited
calls and texts, and data that is 4G up to some limit and then after that
throttled to a lower speed.  The phone is a mid-level phone, but it does
everything we need it to do in a nice package.  We are all on low-cost
carriers that use the Sprint network, no problems there, but we don't go
out in the sticks very often.

I'm pretty much ready to replace SWMBO's iPhone with an Android phone,
she's struggling too much with the darn thing and I really don't have the
patience to figure it out anymore.  I picked an iPhone for her thinking it
would be easier for a non-technical person, but now I regret spending all
that money on it.

Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The iPhone 5 was the first 4G phone that Apple ever released...
> Depart the iPhone, they're way expensive for what you get. A NEW Android
> phone will cost less and give more features than a used iPhone.
> -Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Good Deal on an Mustang - I mean SL...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A rip in the seat is a big red flag, esp. since there was no photo of said
rip.

Otherwise, this is a timeless classic... of non-design.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Really.  Not a bad car for the money, and they’ve dealt with the
> hydraulics, which would be my biggest concern.
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html <
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5966090177.html>
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks for the info!  It is good to know someone has good service with them.


rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 7:15 AM
Curley, go with Consumer Cellular and you won't be sorry. Tell them I 
recommended you and I get a credit. I've had CC for over 10 years. I 
switched from Verizon. I purchased two iPhone 3s from eBay (one for 
me, one for my wife). CC send me the sim cards for free, walked me 
through the setup, etc. CC has great customer service. I just get the 
basic plan as I don't use cell phones much. I also get my AARP 
discount. I've now changed to an iPhone 4 (daughter gave me her old 
phone) and the switch of phones was completely painless. Yes, they use 
ATT lines. I get great service everywhere I've been and that includes 
the mountains in Appalachia, except at home as I live down in a valley 
with lots of hills and trees so I only get 2 bars of service. I can 
still use it at home ok as long as I don't walk around while talking.

Just some personal experience.
Good Luck and best wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com



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Re: [MBZ] OT: New gun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

  unless mfrs. provide technology for fingerprint ID on the trigger.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 30/01/2017 5:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> And now we are heading down the political road. I have a gun within reach
>> loaded and ready to go all over the house. Kid knows not to touch it or he
>> will die. A locked up gun does no good. Proper training is the key.
>>
>>
> better hope none of the family ever gets really angry with you
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The iPhone 5 was the first 4G phone that Apple ever released...
Depart the iPhone, they're way expensive for what you get. A NEW Android phone 
will cost less and give more features than a used iPhone.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:18 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I 
think it is time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo
Currently my usage is about 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy 
once in a while)

Consumer cellular,(CC)  in spite of it tie to AA(L)RP seems to be a good 
deal.  It seems that ATT now has 4gLTE in the places I roam (mostly from 
the yoopers to the Gu'f Coast) and CC uses att network.
AMAC.US has an associated Cell phone provider too, using verizon, but I 
have been warned by RVers that if you ever might use tethered cell phone 
for internet access, that provider will rip you a new  one, so I am not 
thrilled about that, as a tethered cell phone would be nice in the 
yoopers area.  They are a little higher than CC also.

CC is $22.50/mo for 1500 min and 30mb data.

it appears the ifone 4s I am using will work on ATT with their sim card 
and a factory reset, but some bands in some areas may not work.  I 
believe the ifone4s will connect on the 3G, but not the 4GLTE, and it 
has some of the ATT bands, but not all so I may end up with no service 
if ATT is using a band not on the ifone 4S.

The obvious cure would be to spend $125 to 150 on a refurb/used ATT 
ifone 5S, but I'd rather not have to spend that much money.

MetroPCS would be ideal, as they offer unlimited phone and data for 
$30/month, but they use tmobile, and the coverage is 2G or non existent 
for most of the country.

Sprint still only works if you are on or near an interstate, so that is out.

Does anyone have thoughts, pertinent info, or an ATT ifone 5s you'd sell 
cheap?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I also have Republic, I have a MotoX Pure Edition which is sort of the high 
end. Its a great phone and the first touch screen smart phone I've had that 
will go 2 days on a charge...
-Curt

  From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
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Cc: Scott Ritchey 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
   
I've been using Republic with a Moto G4 for several months.  My rural cell
signal not great but similar to previous Verizon.  Main plus is this setup
uses WiFi (vs cell) when available and I have good WiFi in places I spend
the most time.  The G4 was $150 (with ads) from Amazon.  The service is
$20/mo with unlimited voice and text and 1G cell data (unlimited free WiFi
data).  Phone snobs probably aren't impressed with the G4 but it does all I
need.  There is also a slightly smaller, $50 cheaper G4 Play that lacks a
few features, like turbo charge (6 hr charge in 15 minutes).  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:18 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness
> 
> I have been using (and getting ripped off by) verizon since 1999.  I think
it is
> time to pull the plug.  I've been paying $60/mo Currently my usage is
about
> 300 min and .5 mb data ( i use gas buddy once in a while)
> 
> Consumer cellular,(CC)  in spite of it tie to AA(L)RP seems to be a good
deal.  It
> seems that ATT now has 4gLTE in the places I roam (mostly from the yoopers
> to the Gu'f Coast) and CC uses att network.
> AMAC.US has an associated Cell phone provider too, using verizon, but I
have
> been warned by RVers that if you ever might use tethered cell phone for
> internet access, that provider will rip you a new  one, so I am not
thrilled about
> that, as a tethered cell phone would be nice in the yoopers area.  They
are a
> little higher than CC also.
> 
> CC is $22.50/mo for 1500 min and 30mb data.
> 
> it appears the ifone 4s I am using will work on ATT with their sim card
and a
> factory reset, but some bands in some areas may not work.  I believe the
> ifone4s will connect on the 3G, but not the 4GLTE, and it has some of the
ATT
> bands, but not all so I may end up with no service if ATT is using a band
not on
> the ifone 4S.
> 
> The obvious cure would be to spend $125 to 150 on a refurb/used ATT ifone
> 5S, but I'd rather not have to spend that much money.
> 
> MetroPCS would be ideal, as they offer unlimited phone and data for
> $30/month, but they use tmobile, and the coverage is 2G or non existent
for
> most of the country.
> 
> Sprint still only works if you are on or near an interstate, so that is
out.
> 
> Does anyone have thoughts, pertinent info, or an ATT ifone 5s you'd sell
> cheap?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> ...I live down in a valley with lots of hills and trees so I only get 2
> bars of service. I can still use it at home ok as long as I don't walk
> around while talking.


You can cure that by installing a Wilson repeater in your home.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curley, go with Consumer Cellular and you won't be sorry. Tell them I 
recommended you and I get a credit. I've had CC for over 10 years. I switched 
from Verizon. I purchased two iPhone 3s from eBay (one for me, one for my 
wife). CC send me the sim cards for free, walked me through the setup, etc. CC 
has great customer service. I just get the basic plan as I don't use cell 
phones much. I also get my AARP discount. I've now changed to an iPhone 4 
(daughter gave me her old phone) and the switch of phones was completely 
painless. Yes, they use ATT lines. I get great service everywhere I've been and 
that includes the mountains in Appalachia, except at home as I live down in a 
valley with lots of hills and trees so I only get 2 bars of service. I can 
still use it at home ok as long as I don't walk around while talking. 
Just some personal experience. 
Good Luck and best wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: cell foniness

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks for the suggestion   I looked hard at republic.  CC is cheaper, 
and is pretty agostic about phone varieties.  Republic is android only. 
If Repblic had not required spending $$$ on fones, I'd have been a 
republic customer a year ago.  I trusted my Motorola phones for years. 
(18?)   When I made a living on the phone, the Motorola phone and the 
Blue Parrot bluetooth headset was better sound quality than a landline 
unless the call dropped between towers while driving.  When Motorola 
become just another chinee phone, I lost interest.  What is the 
difference between a motorloa and a huwai fone?  (or other chinee brand) 
  None I can tell!   I used the last real Motorola up until last May.  
(Yes, it was still made in China, but it was designed in IL when the 
Motorola cell phone was an American company)   At least Samsung is made 
in Korea.


 The ifone camera is great, and it is nice to be able to use gasbuddy 
once in a while.   The rest of the crap is just excess baggage.  I've 
done more research and it appears the ifone4 is pretty much a world 
fone, but will not connect to the LTE stuff.  For my .5 mb/month of 
data, i doubt that makes much difference.  It also uses wifi when present.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
February 1, 2017 at 1:19 AM
I've been using Republic with a Moto G4 for several months.  My rural cell
signal not great but similar to previous Verizon.  Main plus is this setup
uses WiFi (vs cell) when available and I have good WiFi in places I spend
the most time.  The G4 was $150 (with ads) from Amazon.  The service is
$20/mo with unlimited voice and text and 1G cell data (unlimited free WiFi
data).  Phone snobs probably aren't impressed with the G4 but it does all I
need.  There is also a slightly smaller, $50 cheaper G4 Play that lacks a
few features, like turbo charge (6 hr charge in 15 minutes).



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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Worth Following

[MG via Mercedes]

Going by the pictures it seems to fit. Too bad I don't need a 
starter I'd give it a try.


Manfred

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/2768433-om61x-gear-reduction-starter.html#post15534641
 


I’m wondering how this turns out.  I tried to find detailed specifications or 
dimensions for both starters on Bosch’s web site and elsewhere to no avail.

-D
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