Re: [MBZ] 124 wiper motor question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Uh, the obvious:  Lube the mechanism with Moby grease?

The monowiper is fine, but does need the mechanism greased ever 20 years 
or so.




Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
February 26, 2018 at 8:36 PM
Former lister John Peterson ( aka,clam cake Sam @ the Q) has,had wiper
motor problems,with my former 90 300D 2.5t. He had inoperable wiper motor
replaced couole months,ago. Now his,wiper motor got hot & burned.
Any experience on this? I had no problems with it other than to curse
MB engineers on monowiper idea.
Thanks

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Snopes has also been proven to use lies to "prove" lies.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 25, 2018 at 1:12 PM
Sorry - forgot the link.

https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/



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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So all the scientists at the Gummit run Volcano Observatory are BS?  I 
don't think so, because they said the same thing before and after the 
albore scam.


"Inconvenient truth," movie and everything albore and his cronies say is 
BS.  They have tried to imtimidate and stifle real science and truth.  
The lies have been exposed.   THe data manipulation to "show" what they 
want to show has been exposed.  There is no "consensus" in real science.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 25, 2018 at 1:09 PM
Inconvenient truth, Grant. That is BS..


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Mt st helens did that pretty much all by itself in 1980


G Mann via Mercedes 
February 25, 2018 at 12:40 PM
Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions around
the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
age".

Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
things global.



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Re: [MBZ] Did Jabba move to Arkansas?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Nothing serious, just a mild case of road rage.
Extra ventilation helps the "Air blow cold" .

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:04:55 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > mercedes e420
> >
> > https://littlerock.craigslist.org/pts/d/mercedes-e420/6510832643.html
>
>
> What one would expect in an automobile advertisement:
>
> 1997 e420 motor and transmission good still runs
>
>
> What one would not expect in an automobile advertisement:
>
> left ds door smashed few bullet holes
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Re: [MBZ] 124 wiper motor question

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You need to grease the oscillation mechanism.

Remove wiper assembly, then remove the cover -- on some of them, you can remove 
the allen head screws on the windshield side of the "hub" and lift the cover, 
off, others need to come out of the car.

Once you get the cover off, clean up the mechanism and re-grease with moly 
grease.

I find that it's a good idea to put a drop or two of ATF on the slide post that 
operates the wiper once in a while, too.

If the composition gear is worn, you need to find another (unworn) wiper 
assembly, it's NLA.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 124 wiper motor question

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Fred.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 9:49 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Dwight.

I may still have a wiper assembly at home, I'll search on thurs when back
in MA.

The only troubles that surfaced were that the grease in the gearbox turned
to glue and the sliding shaft needed ATF (M1 of course!) once every six
months.

Curt may have some caveats.

YMMV

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dwight Giles
via Mercedes 
Sent: 26 February 2018 21:36
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: [MBZ] 124 wiper motor question

Former lister John Peterson  ( aka,clam cake Sam @ the  Q) has,had wiper
motor problems,with my former 90 300D 2.5t. He had inoperable  wiper motor
replaced couole months,ago.  Now his,wiper motor got hot & burned.
 Any experience  on this? I had no problems  with it other than to curse
MB engineers on monowiper idea.
Thanks

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] 124 wiper motor question

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.

I may still have a wiper assembly at home, I'll search on thurs when back in MA.

The only troubles that surfaced were that the grease in the gearbox turned to 
glue and the sliding shaft needed ATF (M1 of course!) once every six months.

Curt may have some caveats.

YMMV

Fred.


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Diesel preferred.



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Mercedes 
Sent: 26 February 2018 21:36
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Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: [MBZ] 124 wiper motor question

Former lister John Peterson  ( aka,clam cake Sam @ the  Q) has,had wiper
motor problems,with my former 90 300D 2.5t. He had inoperable  wiper motor
replaced couole months,ago.  Now his,wiper motor got hot & burned.
 Any experience  on this? I had no problems  with it other than to curse
MB engineers on monowiper idea.
Thanks

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
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[MBZ] 124 wiper motor question

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Former lister John Peterson  ( aka,clam cake Sam @ the  Q) has,had wiper
motor problems,with my former 90 300D 2.5t. He had inoperable  wiper motor
replaced couole months,ago.  Now his,wiper motor got hot & burned.
 Any experience  on this? I had no problems  with it other than to curse
MB engineers on monowiper idea.
Thanks

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Might be selling the same car twice to two lucky fellas.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:46:27 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Isn't that an AZ plate on it though?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:32 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Probably. The map in the CL ad shows a CA location, so it's not in
> > > Portland at all. Looks pretty nice though.
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Re: [MBZ] Cool new(?) MB

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

True.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 9:00 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> "Wanted people to like it" so exchanged the diesel engine for a gasser V6?
>
> We are not "people", people
> --
> Max Dillon
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> '95 E300
>
> On February 26, 2018 8:49:34 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >This would be perfect for OK roads - - no need to slow down. I like
> >this
> >line from the article:
> >" *I strongly advocate that Benz hog-tie the accountants in a broom
> >closet
> >and build this lovely mutant*"
> >
> >https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-luxury/mercedes-
> benz-e400-all-terrain-4x4-squared-review-w-video/ar-
> BBJw3Kf?li=BBnb4R5#image=BBJw25Y|1
> >
> >--
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> >
> >*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> >of
> >our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> >"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> >who
> >learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> >fence
> >for themselves."
> >
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> >2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Cool new(?) MB

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Would be great in New,England  winters too.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 8:49 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> This would be perfect for OK roads - - no need to slow down. I like this
> line from the article:
> " *I strongly advocate that Benz hog-tie the accountants in a broom closet
> and build this lovely mutant*"
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-luxury/mercedes-
> benz-e400-all-terrain-4x4-squared-review-w-video/ar-
> BBJw3Kf?li=BBnb4R5#image=BBJw25Y|1
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cool new(?) MB

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

"Wanted people to like it" so exchanged the diesel engine for a gasser V6?

We are not "people", people
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 26, 2018 8:49:34 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>This would be perfect for OK roads - - no need to slow down. I like
>this
>line from the article:
>" *I strongly advocate that Benz hog-tie the accountants in a broom
>closet
>and build this lovely mutant*"
>
>https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-luxury/mercedes-benz-e400-all-terrain-4x4-squared-review-w-video/ar-BBJw3Kf?li=BBnb4R5#image=BBJw25Y|1
>
>-- 
>OK Don
>
>*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
>of
>our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
>"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>who
>learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>for themselves."
>
>WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>2013 F150, 18 mpg
>2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Take it to banned.  Or Mecca. Enough already

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 8:42 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

We need to take over northern Africa and reforest the Sahara!  That will
suck up all the badness and only goodness will prevail.  While we are at
it, taking over those latitudes, we can remove the humans, from the area,
and reduce their impact on warming the world.

Allah is great, he will want this to take place.

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>
> Fake news from Dillon while the earth bakes.

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Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:46:27 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Isn't that an AZ plate on it though?

Yes.


Craig


> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:32 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Probably. The map in the CL ad shows a CA location, so it's not in
> > Portland at all. Looks pretty nice though.

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Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2018, at 7:46 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Isn't that an AZ plate on it though?
> 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:32 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Probably. The map in the CL ad shows a CA location, so it's not in
>> Portland at all. Looks pretty nice though.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb
>> C. Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 4:12 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny
>> 
>> Looks like the same car to me
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope. The one in Portland isn't the only one fs in the US.
>>> 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/323101092427
>>> 
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> OK Don
> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> for themselves."
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[MBZ] Cool new(?) MB

[OK Don via Mercedes]

This would be perfect for OK roads - - no need to slow down. I like this
line from the article:
" *I strongly advocate that Benz hog-tie the accountants in a broom closet
and build this lovely mutant*"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-luxury/mercedes-benz-e400-all-terrain-4x4-squared-review-w-video/ar-BBJw3Kf?li=BBnb4R5#image=BBJw25Y|1

-- 
OK Don

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Isn't that an AZ plate on it though?

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:32 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Probably. The map in the CL ad shows a CA location, so it's not in
> Portland at all. Looks pretty nice though.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb
> C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 4:12 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny
>
> Looks like the same car to me
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 26, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nope. The one in Portland isn't the only one fs in the US.
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/323101092427
> >
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Some chinese goobermunt car maker has purchased more than 9.5% of DBAG.  Must 
be APA/URO.  Looks like we will all be getting chinese parts now.

clay 

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How,about we,all go back to Mercedes articles?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Feb 26, 2018 11:31 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Andrew - please let me know which articles were backed by the fossil fuels
>> industry.  Help me see the "fake news".
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry - I meant Max.  There is a ton of money from the fossil fuels
>>> industry backing alternate "research".  It's amazing the "facts" that
>> money
>>> can buy.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Wow - if it didn't have a sunroof it would be perfect.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The US ones do but I have seen euro models with the pump on the head. It’s
> drive by the cam. On the 60x without the pump you can see the spot where on
> could be mounted.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 26, 2018, at 4:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought 124 wagons didn't have special heads, I thought they had a
> special vacuum/SLS pump...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >On Monday, February 26, 2018, 5:38:19 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:29:39 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Why two antenna's?
> >
> > The why of the two antennas [note no apostrophe] is unknown to me.
> >
> >
> >> Where's the picture of the rust mentioned in the text?
> >
> > https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_ddz2lZZRZ8Q_1200x900.jpg
> >
> > Just behind the right-rear tire, just above the bumper, a little ways in
> > front of the fuel fill flap. It took me a while to find it.
> >
> >
> >> Is that pump on the front of the head for the SLS?
> >
> > It sure looks like it. Recall that TDs have special heads.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

We need to take over northern Africa and reforest the Sahara!  That will suck 
up all the badness and only goodness will prevail.  While we are at it, taking 
over those latitudes, we can remove the humans, from the area, and reduce their 
impact on warming the world.

Allah is great, he will want this to take place.

clay 

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fake news from Dillon while the earth bakes.

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Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Probably. The map in the CL ad shows a CA location, so it's not in Portland at 
all. Looks pretty nice though.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

Looks like the same car to me

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope. The one in Portland isn't the only one fs in the US.
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/323101092427
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Craig sez:

>‎I say those are two ads for the same car.

Yep.

Rick
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Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 6:05 PM
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Cc: Craig
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 23:51:36 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Nope. The one in Portland isn't the only one fs in the US.
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/323101092427


Portland craigslist text:

Selling this great rare Mercedes 250TD. Drove it around Europe in summer.
Gets amazing gas milage, around 35-37mpg (1 liter, 16/17 km). Has new
fuel filters, diesel return braided fuel lines, near new matching tires
all around, recent oil change. Coolant has been changed last spring when
I had a shop check the cooling system. Drives good, shifts good. Has
great power, especially paired with the manual transmission. Holds a good
shine, however there are of course blemishes, dings and scratches, the
usual wear and tear for a 25 year old vehicle. Please email me for
detailed photo's of this. There is a rust spot above passenger side rear
bumper which is pictured. 


eBay text:

Selling this great rare Mercedes 250TD. Drove it around Europe in summer.
Gets amazing gas milage, around 35-37mpg (1 liter, 16/17 km). Has new
fuel filters, diesel return braided fuel lines, near new matching tires
all around, recent oil change. Coolant has been changed last spring when
I had a shop check the cooling system. Drives good, shifts good. Has
great power, especially paired with the manual transmission. Holds a good
shine, however there are of course blemishes, dings and scratches, the
usual wear and tear for a 25 year old vehicle. Please email me for
detailed photo's of this. There is a rust spot above passenger side rear
bumper which is pictured. There is some rust bubbling at the passenger
side front fender. Power door locks work, but hatch lock does not go up
all the way, so you have to go inside and open it manually. The keys work
all locks apart from the hatch. The tach does not show the RPM's. Sunroof
works good unless it's real cold. Then it only goes half way. Driver
mirror is missing adjustment-stalk but one is included in the sale. Not
sure how to install it but it came with the car. Passenger side is
electric. All in all a nice driver with a very rare colour scheme, that
gets thumbs up from w124 enthusiasts everywhere. I have a pint of Bornit
base-coat with the car, mixed in Europe so it matches and is enough to do
the touch-ups if you wanted to go that route. 


The text sounds amazingly alike.

In addition, if you zoom out the map on the Portland, OR, craigslist
page, you see the car is located between Riverside, CA and Corona, CA.

‎


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Did Jabba move to Arkansas?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:04:55 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> mercedes e420
> 
> https://littlerock.craigslist.org/pts/d/mercedes-e420/6510832643.html


What one would expect in an automobile advertisement:

1997 e420 motor and transmission good still runs


What one would not expect in an automobile advertisement:

left ds door smashed few bullet holes



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Looks like the same car to me

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope. The one in Portland isn't the only one fs in the US.
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/323101092427
> 
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[MBZ] Did Jabba move to Arkansas?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

mercedes e420

https://littlerock.craigslist.org/pts/d/mercedes-e420/6510832643.html


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Re: [MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 23:51:36 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Nope. The one in Portland isn't the only one fs in the US.
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/323101092427


Portland craigslist text:

Selling this great rare Mercedes 250TD. Drove it around Europe in summer.
Gets amazing gas milage, around 35-37mpg (1 liter, 16/17 km). Has new
fuel filters, diesel return braided fuel lines, near new matching tires
all around, recent oil change. Coolant has been changed last spring when
I had a shop check the cooling system. Drives good, shifts good. Has
great power, especially paired with the manual transmission. Holds a good
shine, however there are of course blemishes, dings and scratches, the
usual wear and tear for a 25 year old vehicle. Please email me for
detailed photo's of this. There is a rust spot above passenger side rear
bumper which is pictured. 


eBay text:

Selling this great rare Mercedes 250TD. Drove it around Europe in summer.
Gets amazing gas milage, around 35-37mpg (1 liter, 16/17 km). Has new
fuel filters, diesel return braided fuel lines, near new matching tires
all around, recent oil change. Coolant has been changed last spring when
I had a shop check the cooling system. Drives good, shifts good. Has
great power, especially paired with the manual transmission. Holds a good
shine, however there are of course blemishes, dings and scratches, the
usual wear and tear for a 25 year old vehicle. Please email me for
detailed photo's of this. There is a rust spot above passenger side rear
bumper which is pictured. There is some rust bubbling at the passenger
side front fender. Power door locks work, but hatch lock does not go up
all the way, so you have to go inside and open it manually. The keys work
all locks apart from the hatch. The tach does not show the RPM's. Sunroof
works good unless it's real cold. Then it only goes half way. Driver
mirror is missing adjustment-stalk but one is included in the sale. Not
sure how to install it but it came with the car. Passenger side is
electric. All in all a nice driver with a very rare colour scheme, that
gets thumbs up from w124 enthusiasts everywhere. I have a pint of Bornit
base-coat with the car, mixed in Europe so it matches and is enough to do
the touch-ups if you wanted to go that route. 


The text sounds amazingly alike.

In addition, if you zoom out the map on the Portland, OR, craigslist
page, you see the car is located between Riverside, CA and Corona, CA.

I say those are two ads for the same car.


Craig

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[MBZ] Another 250TD Manny

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Nope. The one in Portland isn't the only one fs in the US.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/323101092427

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Admin, global warming

[as.thompson--- via Mercedes]

Well then obviously the overheating must be due to Global Warming.
A

 

On Feb 26, 2018, Andrew wrote: 
(in answer to the question as to how the new Cab is sorting out)

It is overheating.  He refilled with coal dust rather than wind pellets.


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:
> Just when things were starting to "heat up". ;
> 
> Just kidding guys... Back to Mercedes... How is that new Cab sorting out 
> Kaleb?
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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The US ones do but I have seen euro models with the pump on the head. It’s 
drive by the cam. On the 60x without the pump you can see the spot where on 
could be mounted. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2018, at 4:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought 124 wagons didn't have special heads, I thought they had a special 
> vacuum/SLS pump...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Monday, February 26, 2018, 5:38:19 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:29:39 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Why two antenna's?
> 
> The why of the two antennas [note no apostrophe] is unknown to me.
> 
> 
>> Where's the picture of the rust mentioned in the text?
> 
> https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_ddz2lZZRZ8Q_1200x900.jpg
> 
> Just behind the right-rear tire, just above the bumper, a little ways in
> front of the fuel fill flap. It took me a while to find it.
> 
> 
>> Is that pump on the front of the head for the SLS?
> 
> It sure looks like it. Recall that TDs have special heads.
> 
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I thought 124 wagons didn't have special heads, I thought they had a special 
vacuum/SLS pump...
-Curt
 

On Monday, February 26, 2018, 5:38:19 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:29:39 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Why two antenna's?

The why of the two antennas [note no apostrophe] is unknown to me.


> Where's the picture of the rust mentioned in the text?

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_ddz2lZZRZ8Q_1200x900.jpg

Just behind the right-rear tire, just above the bumper, a little ways in
front of the fuel fill flap. It took me a while to find it.


> Is that pump on the front of the head for the SLS?

It sure looks like it. Recall that TDs have special heads.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:29:39 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Why two antenna's?

The why of the two antennas [note no apostrophe] is unknown to me.


> Where's the picture of the rust mentioned in the text?

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_ddz2lZZRZ8Q_1200x900.jpg

Just behind the right-rear tire, just above the bumper, a little ways in
front of the fuel fill flap. It took me a while to find it.


> Is that pump on the front of the head for the SLS?

It sure looks like it. Recall that TDs have special heads.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Admin, global warming

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Yes, and hid the car

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Did you hide the keys?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2018, at 5:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> I drove the cab to town just a little while ago then parked it in the shop. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Admin, global warming

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Did you hide the keys?

-D


> On Feb 26, 2018, at 5:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I drove the cab to town just a little while ago then parked it in the shop. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Admin, global warming

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I drove the cab to town just a little while ago then parked it in the shop. 

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 3:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
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> Just when things were starting to "heat up". ;
> 
> Just kidding guys... Back to Mercedes... How is that new Cab sorting out
> Kaleb?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Admin, global warming

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It is overheating.  He refilled with coal dust rather than wind pellets.

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> Just when things were starting to "heat up". ;
>
> Just kidding guys... Back to Mercedes... How is that new Cab sorting out
> Kaleb?
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Re: [MBZ] Admin, global warming

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Just when things were starting to "heat up". ;

Just kidding guys... Back to Mercedes... How is that new Cab sorting out
Kaleb?

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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

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Why two antenna's?

Where's the picture of the rust mentioned in the text?

Is that pump on the front of the head for the SLS?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

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The price has to be negotiable, as this is a car of somewhat limited appeal.

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> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:01:58 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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> > Wow
>
>
> And wow on the price, too ...
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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:01:58 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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> Wow


And wow on the price, too ...


Craig

> > On Feb 26, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

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Wow

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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

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The only problem might be a driveshaft. Otherwise the NA 602 was used in the 
201 with the same transmission. Otherwise its just a 124 wagon.
-Curt
 

On Monday, February 26, 2018, 3:48:34 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 Might be the only one in the USA.  One wonders about parts availability...
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Super cool!
NA 602?

-Curt






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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

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Might be the only one in the USA.  One wonders about parts availability...

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> Super cool!
> NA 602?
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Euro S124 manny Anyone?

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Super cool!
NA 602?

-Curt






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[MBZ] Admin, global warming

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The global warming conversation needs to end. No more posts about global 
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Especially the "scientific" studies. They start with "we thing the earth is 
warming and are going to prove it by."
Real science is "We think the earth is warming and seek to disprove our 
hypothesis by."

If you go looking for what you expect that is what you will mostly find because 
you will ignore results that don't match your results. Thats why I like 
"Freakonomics" because he starts by trying to disprove his own ideas and only 
accepts results that can't be disproven.

-Curt






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Including the scientific studies?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 12:50 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
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> I've never seen such a thing. Generally everything I've ever seen or heard 
> about the subject is biased to one side or the other...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>     On Monday, February 26, 2018, 12:43:59 PM EST, Mike Esh via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Can you list a couple of the unbiased sites that i could look at to learn 
> more facts instead of opinions.
> thanks,
> Mike
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Dwight sez:
>>
>>> ‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any real
>>> research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
>>
>> I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Rich and other coastal dwellers need this car

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Including the scientific studies?

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Feb 26, 2018 12:50 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
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> I've never seen such a thing. Generally everything I've ever seen or heard
> about the subject is biased to one side or the other...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018, 12:43:59 PM EST, Mike Esh via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Can you list a couple of the unbiased sites that i could look at to learn
> more facts instead of opinions.
> thanks,
> Mike
> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dwight sez:
> >
> >> ‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any
> real
> >> research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
> >
> > I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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I've never seen such a thing. Generally everything I've ever seen or heard 
about the subject is biased to one side or the other...
-Curt
 

On Monday, February 26, 2018, 12:43:59 PM EST, Mike Esh via Mercedes 
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 Can you list a couple of the unbiased sites that i could look at to learn more 
facts instead of opinions.
thanks,
Mike
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dwight sez:
> 
>> ‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any real
>> research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
> 
> I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Can you list a couple of the unbiased sites that i could look at to learn more 
facts instead of opinions.
thanks,
Mike
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dwight sez:
> 
>> ‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any real
>> research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
> 
> I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Yeah - this OT cr*p is sapping all the positive energy from the forum.  I'm
out.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> How,about we,all go back to Mercedes articles?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Feb 26, 2018 11:31 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
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>
> > Andrew - please let me know which articles were backed by the fossil
> fuels
> > industry.  Help me see the "fake news".
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry - I meant Max.  There is a ton of money from the fossil fuels
> > > industry backing alternate "research".  It's amazing the "facts" that
> > money
> > > can buy.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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How,about we,all go back to Mercedes articles?

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Feb 26, 2018 11:31 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
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> Andrew - please let me know which articles were backed by the fossil fuels
> industry.  Help me see the "fake news".
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Andrew - please let me know which articles were backed by the fossil fuels
industry.  Help me see the "fake news".

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> can buy.
>
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[MBZ] Rich and other coastal dwellers need this car

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Sorry - I meant Max.  There is a ton of money from the fossil fuels
industry backing alternate "research".  It's amazing the "facts" that money
can buy.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Fake news from Dillon while the earth bakes.
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:06 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Bravo!  :D
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > should be "... a skeptical response to hysteria..."
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to
> > what
> > > > I have posted.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
> > > > earlier.
> > > >
> > > > ABSTRACT
> > > >
> > > > A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
> > > > consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads
> to
> > > the
> > > > conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries
> have
> > > > produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate.
> > > Increased
> > > > carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth.
> > Predictions
> > > > of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon
> use
> > > and
> > > > minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current
> experimental
> > > > knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the
> nuclear
> > > and
> > > > hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
> > > >
> > > > Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this
> paper.
> > > >
> > > > I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there
> is
> > no
> > > > scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria
> about
> > > > "global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and
> > should
> > > > not be met with ridicule and name calling.
> > > >
> > > > -
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> > > > Charleston SC
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Fake news from Dillon while the earth bakes.

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> Bravo!  :D
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > should be "... a skeptical response to hysteria..."
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to
> what
> > > I have posted.
> > >
> > > Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
> > > earlier.
> > >
> > > ABSTRACT
> > >
> > > A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
> > > consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to
> > the
> > > conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have
> > > produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate.
> > Increased
> > > carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth.
> Predictions
> > > of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use
> > and
> > > minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental
> > > knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear
> > and
> > > hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
> > >
> > > Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this paper.
> > >
> > > I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there is
> no
> > > scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria about
> > > "global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and
> should
> > > not be met with ridicule and name calling.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

What Don and Dan wrote:
My daughter followed Dons advice to the letter, and her three kids turned out 
to be well adjusted, and capable adults. Even so, there was still a lot more 
time, effort, and intelligent decision making than most people would anticipate.
Gerry

OK Don wrote:
> What Dan said - especially "An alternative - get really, really involved
> with their school and education.  It takes far less time but almost always
> yields benefits.  Studies have shown time and time again that parents who
> take an active role in their children’s education have higher performing
> children from an educational standpoint."
> 
> Our four kids went to "the worst" grade school in town and three ended up
> attending Ivy league schools with scholarships, three have masters degrees,
> one has two masters. I credit my wife's major involvement with the schools
> and participation in the local gifted and talented parents association
> (gifted kids get shoved aside more than challenged kids).
> 
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > First thing to do is to see what the state requirements are for home
> > schooling.
> >
> > http://sde.ok.gov/sde/home-school
> >
> > One point of concern:  "Academic progress must be established and
> > maintained for the child.” That means it’s up to you to make sure the
> > student is screened on a regular basis to make sure they’re learning and at
> > he expected education level for their age.  If you slack off or don’t
> > maintain this, your kid is screwed - even more so if you toss in the towel
> > and send them back to public school.
> >
> > I say this with the most consideration for your wife - she doesn’t seem to
> > stick with stuff long term, and if that’s the case, home schooling is not
> > for her.  You’re dealing with the education of a child and a developing
> > mind.  You screw this up and you’ve got a person who may not ever recover
> > from the damage done - for the rest of their life.
> >
> > I know a couple of people who home school, my boss (four kids) and my next
> > door neighbor (one kid.)  Both say it takes a major commitment of time and
> > effort to do, far more than they ever expected.  My boss does it (I think)
> > for secular reasons, I don’t know what the motivation is for the neighbor.
> >
> > I know my boss’s wife is going full bore full time with their home
> > schooling, and they interact with a lot of other like minded home
> > schoolers, so the social aspect of it really isn’t an issue in their case.
> > They also do a lot of extracurricular stuff, like field trips and things
> > like that.
> >
> > It is, for all intents and purposes, a full time job/commitment that can’t
> > be blown off.  As a university trained teacher myself, I wouldn’t do it.
> >
> > An alternative - get really, really involved with their school and
> > education.  It takes far less time but almost always yields benefits.
> > Studies have shown time and time again that parents who take an active role
> > in their children’s education have higher performing children from an
> > educational standpoint.
> >
> > That’s my professional opinion as an educator and parent.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The wife is wanting to start home schooling our kid. I’m not sure if
> > that is a good idea. My main concern is being socially inept later in life.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 7:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Home schooling is not the answer for everyone - there were a lot of home
> > >> schooled kids that entered HS with our kids - some were very well
> > prepared,
> > >> but most were left in the dust. Not all parents are capable of educating
> > >> their children, and a good number shouldn't have been parents in the
> > first
> > >> place. . . .
> > >>
> >
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> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Bravo!  :D

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> should be "... a skeptical response to hysteria..."
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
>
> > OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to what
> > I have posted.
> >
> > Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
> > earlier.
> >
> > ABSTRACT
> >
> > A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
> > consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to
> the
> > conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have
> > produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate.
> Increased
> > carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth. Predictions
> > of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use
> and
> > minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental
> > knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear
> and
> > hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
> >
> >
> > http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
> >
> > Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this paper.
> >
> > I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there is no
> > scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria about
> > "global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and should
> > not be met with ridicule and name calling.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

should be "... a skeptical response to hysteria..."

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to what
> I have posted.
>
> Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
> earlier.
>
> ABSTRACT
>
> A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
> consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the
> conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have
> produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate. Increased
> carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth. Predictions
> of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use and
> minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental
> knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear and
> hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
>
>
> http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
>
> Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this paper.
>
> I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there is no
> scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria about
> "global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and should
> not be met with ridicule and name calling.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to what I
have posted.

Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
earlier.

ABSTRACT

A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the
conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have
produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate. Increased
carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth. Predictions
of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use and
minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental
knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear and
hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.


http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this paper.

I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there is no
scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria about
"global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and should
not be met with ridicule and name calling.

-
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here is a very short scientific explanation of why CO2 is not a greenhouse
gas.  Please tell me if you can find any errors in this paper.



*Why MAN MADE Global Warming is Ridiculous*
*Burr Passenheim (Ph.D. Physics)*

The earth's temperature is changing, and has always been changing. And
mankind's contribution is insignificant.

The earth receives all of its energy from the sun in the form of sunlight.
To us that light looks white. A physicist would say it is "blackbody"
radiation from an object (the sun) at about 6000-deg(Kelvin). A rainbow
shows that "white" light is actually composed of colors from violet to red.
Visible light's spectrum peaks at a wavelength about 0.5 microns (green).
At the top of our atmosphere the solar intensity is about 1 (kilowatt per
square meter).

The sun heats the earth to a temperature [roughly 300 deg(K)] at which
temperature the earth re-radiates an equal amount of power. A 300 deg(K)
blackbody radiates power in the Infrared (IR) i.e. at wavelengths greater
than 4 microns , with a peak intensity at about 10.0 microns.

All this is necessary for the earth to have a stable temperature (neither
boil nor freeze)

The earth's temperature is dominated by the sun's intensity, which is not
constant, and the earths orbit and tilt, which also vary. But the earth's
atmosphere does have a meaningful role in Global Temperature.

All incident Ultra-Violet (UV) light from the sun is absorbed in earth's
upper atmosphere by Oxygen [mainly Ozone ( O3)] and does not heat the
earth..

All infrared radiation beyond about 20 microns is absorbed by water vapor,
also called humidity, and is trapped in the atmosphere. . Humidity is the
most important greenhouse gas. Humidity is invisible to humans.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a gas that is ESSENTIAL to all life on earth.
Animals breath in Oxygen (O2) and breath out Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
[respiration]. Plants absorb CO2 and release O2 [photosynthesis]. Without
CO2 there would be no O2 and vise versa, so neither plants nor animals
could exist.

CO2 does have one significant absorption band in the Infrared (IR), at
about 15 microns. CO2 is VERY opaque at that wavelength. Virtually all IR
radiated by the earth at 15 microns is absorbed in about 10 meters (about
30 feet) of air. So raising or lowering the concentration of CO2 does next
to nothing to how opaque the atmosphere is at the 15 microns. You can not
absorb more than everything.

Consider this visible analogy. If an object is black, it means that it has
absorbed all the visible light falling on it. If you add another coat of
black paint, it is not any blacker. It can not absorb more than everything!

To be scrupulously accurate, while all 15-micron IR is 100% absorbed, the
width of the 15 micron band does increase and decrease as the CO2
concentration waxes and wanes. But the absorption of the 15-micron band
increases as the logarithm of the CO2 concentration. This means that to
double the absorption at 15 micron, you need to raise the CO2 concentration
10- fold. To triple the absorption, you must raise the CO2 concentration
100-fold. Keep in mind that CO2 has always been much less important than
humidity, as a green house gas.

And, it is also true that the earth's temperature and atmospheric CO2 seem
to rise and fall together. But if you look a bit closer, the temperature
always "leads" the CO2 concentration. Which means the earth's temperature
is the "cause" and CO2 concentration the "effect", not the other way
around. The reason is, that CO2 is soluble in water (think of carbonated
beverages), and as the oceans warm up they "outgas" CO2. When the oceans
cool down again (ice ages) they reabsorb the CO2.

So it is not worth spending money to reduce man-made CO2, because that is
not the problem…if there is a problem.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Peter, Andrew, and others who have heard that there is a "consensus" and
that "the science is settled".

Please take a few moments to learn about this group who disagree.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/

Here is a partial list of the signers who's last names start with A:

Earl M. Aagaard, PhD, Charles W. Aami, Roger L. Aamodt, PhD, Wilbur A.
Aanes, M. Robert Aaron, Ralph F. Abate, Hamed K. Abbas, PhD, Paul Abbett,
Wyatt E. Abbitt III, Ursula K. Abbott, PhD, Bernaard J. Abbott, PhD, David
M. Abbott Jr., Frank D. Abbott, Paul Abbott, Donald W. Abbott, Douglas R.
Abbott, David J. Abbott, Eugene Abbott, Refaat A. Abdel-Malek, PhD, Riaz F.
Abdulla, PhD, Albert S. Abdullah, DVM, Alan E. Abel, Jason Abel, Janis I.
Abele, Joseph M. Abell, Robert E. Abell, Gene H. Abels, MD, Philip H.
Abelson, PhD*, Wayne Aben, Jerrold Abernathy, Marshall W. Abernathy, Grady
L. Ables, Earl Arthur Abrahamson, PhD, Robert C. Abrams, Carl M. Abrams,
Alan V. Abrams, MD, Paul B. Abramson, PhD, Jose L. Abreu Jr., Joe L.
Abriola Jr., Ahmed E. Aburahmah, PhD, Austin R. Ace, David A. Acerni, John
W. Achee Sr., Billy R. Achmbaugh, Paul Achmidt, Daniel T. Achord, PhD,
Ernest R. Achterberg, Ava V. Ackerman, DVM, William L. Ackerman, John R.
Ackerman, Gene L. Ackerman, Richard E. Ackermann, Terry D. Ackman, Donald
O. Acrey, Lee Actor, Humberto M. Acuna Jr., Robert K. Adair, PhD, William
G. Adair Jr., Daniel Otis Adam, PhD, Brian D. Adam, PhD, Chris Adam,
Anthony F. Adamo, George Baker





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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:24 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Peter, perhaps you are not aware of the 30,000 actual scientists and
> academics who signed a petition to the effect that they don't agree with Al
> Gore and his crowd? In your mind the issue may be settled, but I'll provide
> you the link later to thousands who disagree.
> --
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> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Peter, perhaps you are not aware of the 30,000 actual scientists and academics 
who signed a petition to the effect that they don't agree with Al Gore and his 
crowd?  In your mind the issue may be settled, but I'll provide you the link 
later to thousands who disagree.
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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