Re: [MBZ] Bought this yesterday.

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Good work. Where’d you find it?  SC?

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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
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> 
> 1983 240D.  Got it for $700. Came from northern Illinois by way South 
> Carolina, zero rust. Paint is pretty good. Has engine issues and the kid said 
> it was running poorly. He changed fuel filters and put new glo plugs in it.   
> I haven’t gotten started as yet.   The weather has not been cooperating. 
> Interior is worn. 
> Pushed it into the garage tonight and start trying to figure it out and get 
> it running tomorrow.   It will be a nice winter project. 
> 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/231892247417178/
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Re: [MBZ] Bought this yesterday.

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Nice

On 11/27/2018 9:32 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:

1983 240D.  Got it for $700. Came from northern Illinois by way South Carolina, 
zero rust. Paint is pretty good. Has engine issues and the kid said it was 
running poorly. He changed fuel filters and put new glo plugs in it.   I 
haven’t gotten started as yet.   The weather has not been cooperating.
Interior is worn.
Pushed it into the garage tonight and start trying to figure it out and get it 
running tomorrow.   It will be a nice winter project.


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[MBZ] Bought this yesterday.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

1983 240D.  Got it for $700. Came from northern Illinois by way South Carolina, 
zero rust. Paint is pretty good. Has engine issues and the kid said it was 
running poorly. He changed fuel filters and put new glo plugs in it.   I 
haven’t gotten started as yet.   The weather has not been cooperating. 
Interior is worn. 
Pushed it into the garage tonight and start trying to figure it out and get it 
running tomorrow.   It will be a nice winter project. 


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Re: [MBZ] Just Listed - 2.5 300D

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Sure looks like it’s headed that way….

-D


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So basically the honeymoon is over 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The consensus among many BAT watchers is that they’re trying to squeeze as 
>> much money as they can out of the venue, i.e., getting greedy.  Upwards of 
>> 30 auctions a day now, a large percentage of which are not hitting reserves, 
>> which costs them money.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So BAT is now just another eBay. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On Nov 27, 2018, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Here you go, Kleb:
 
 https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300d-2-5-turbodiesel-2/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification
 
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Re: [MBZ] Just Listed - 2.5 300D

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So basically the honeymoon is over 

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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The consensus among many BAT watchers is that they’re trying to squeeze as 
> much money as they can out of the venue, i.e., getting greedy.  Upwards of 30 
> auctions a day now, a large percentage of which are not hitting reserves, 
> which costs them money.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So BAT is now just another eBay. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here you go, Kleb:
>>> 
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300d-2-5-turbodiesel-2/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification
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Re: [MBZ] Just Listed - 2.5 300D

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The consensus among many BAT watchers is that they’re trying to squeeze as much 
money as they can out of the venue, i.e., getting greedy.  Upwards of 30 
auctions a day now, a large percentage of which are not hitting reserves, which 
costs them money.

-D
 
> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So BAT is now just another eBay. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here you go, Kleb:
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300d-2-5-turbodiesel-2/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification
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Re: [MBZ] Just Listed - 2.5 300D

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So BAT is now just another eBay. 

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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Here you go, Kleb:
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300d-2-5-turbodiesel-2/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification
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[MBZ] Just Listed - 2.5 300D

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Here you go, Kleb:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300d-2-5-turbodiesel-2/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

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Nice.

I had a whole week to go to the range with my new (to me) Lanber 2099 shotgun.  
I never got around to it, unfortunately. When I went a week or two ago  for 
pistol practice I took it wth me and just ran through four stands, and got 14 
out of 16, which I was quite pleased with.  My boss finally broke down and 
bought a Mossberg 500 or Remington 370, I don’t recall which one, from Dick’s 
over Thanksgiving, so he’s chomping at the bit to go out after work, so I’m 
sure I’ll get out soon.

Youngest son came home the other day with a Sig MPX-K 9mm.  WTF for, I have no 
idea.  Just don’t get the AR mentality.  Want a pistol? Buy a pistol!

Kids these days….

-D


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first 
> opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present: 
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
> Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called the 
> "Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a black 
> powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for the 
> conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well with 
> a 220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
> I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer 
> season. If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun 
> season.https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
> The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy with it 
> considering its got a shotgun trigger...
> Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He shoots 
> really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground: 
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
> Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of shotgun 
> season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season: 
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was only 
> the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February, it 
> took a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530 roundball, 
> 50gr of black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches blew out and 
> didn't impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too thick to load. I'm 
> really pleased with the result.
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
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[MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

As usual my dad and I spent black Friday at the range. This was my first 
opportunity to shoot last year's Christmas present: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/45152868525_9d850493b0_b.jpg
Swedish made Remington rolling block in 8x58r, the round is often called the 
"Danish Kraig". Its quite powerful, in the 30-06 class. Originally a black 
powder gun they were converted to smokeless, mine is dated 1892 for the 
conversion. Dad has been playing with loads, it was working pretty well with a 
220gr jacketed bullet. I need more time shooting it, I rough at best.
I also shot my Mossberg 500 with the slug barrel to get ready for deer season. 
If all goes as planned (blah) I'll get 2 days of shotgun 
season.https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4856/32193409368_72deeba77b_b.jpg
The lower bulls are where I started sighting in, I'm reasonably happy with it 
considering its got a shotgun trigger...
Dad brought out his 25-20, the scope is reproduction but period. He shoots 
really well with it, I can barely make it hit the ground: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32193405758_f0a4fe9d05_b.jpg
Finally I dialed in my black powder deer gun, I'll only get 2 days of shotgun 
season but should have 5 or 6 of black powder season: 
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/27872740887_471c6a931d_b.jpgThis was only 
the second time I've gotten to shoot it since I bought it in February, it took 
a long time to work up a good load, finally settled on .530 roundball, 50gr of 
black powder with a .010 greased patch. Oiled patches blew out and didn't 
impart good spin to the ball, .015 patches were too thick to load. I'm really 
pleased with the result.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4897/46014915692_6cf6682202_b.jpg
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] One For Mrs Dan

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I shot them an offer of $8k cash out the door.  let’s see if they bite.  I’m 
betting they don’t.

-D


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> V6, Manny tranny, and 19k miles?
> That thing has BATmobile written all over it. 
> Too bad it doesn't have the two tone red interior of the SLK230
> 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On November 27, 2018 at 9:00 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Could be worse, like this 2004 SLK320 with stupid low miles (19k?) on it.  
>> They put it up a couple of weeks ago at like $15k-$16k with no takers, now 
>> it’s down to $11k.
>> 
>> https://www.lokeynissan.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Mercedes_Benz-SLK_Class-SLK320-Clearwater-FL/3329023403
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

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Don’t Windex them, buy the foamy window cleaner that is approved for use on 
window tint.  It does a much better job.

I like Stoner “Invisible Glass”.  Works well on all glass surfaces and is safe 
to use on window tint, something that’s important both here and in AZ.

-D/Martha

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ll need a primer on rust abatement using the POR 15 stuff cause I bought 
> it. I’ll have some pics in the AM. 
> 
> I’m going to go all Martha on it this weekend but the first step as to simply 
> clean the windows which clearly (no pun intended) hadn’t been cleaned in 
> eons. 
> 
> Bob R
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 4:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> POR-15 is your friend.  Embrace it for any and all rust repairs.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:29 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this will be my first attempt at rust abatement. I will be asking 
>>> questions soon. 
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On Nov 27, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 The '80s ones sure but I don't think the ones from the '90s or newer are 
 any worse than anything else of the period.
 -Curt
 
 On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 4:21:01 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:  
 
 On 27/11/2018 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I've driven a few and liked them. We have friends that had a pair of the 
> older 2wd wagons that they put on something like 400,000 miles each. They 
> had no money so those cars got minimal maintenance. I was very impressed 
> with those cars.
> My favorite Subaru is the Forester like Dwight had, late '90s, early 
> 2000s, with a 5spd. The newer ones got fat...
> -Curt
> 
 Older ones were bad for rusting. Neighbors across the lane from us had a 
 wagon that slowly rusted away. They have a diesel Golf now and although 
 it is getting old, still looks pretty good.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

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I’ll need a primer on rust abatement using the POR 15 stuff cause I bought it. 
I’ll have some pics in the AM. 

I’m going to go all Martha on it this weekend but the first step as to simply 
clean the windows which clearly (no pun intended) hadn’t been cleaned in eons. 

Bob R

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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 4:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> POR-15 is your friend.  Embrace it for any and all rust repairs.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:29 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So this will be my first attempt at rust abatement. I will be asking 
>> questions soon. 
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The '80s ones sure but I don't think the ones from the '90s or newer are 
>>> any worse than anything else of the period.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 4:21:01 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> On 27/11/2018 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 I've driven a few and liked them. We have friends that had a pair of the 
 older 2wd wagons that they put on something like 400,000 miles each. They 
 had no money so those cars got minimal maintenance. I was very impressed 
 with those cars.
 My favorite Subaru is the Forester like Dwight had, late '90s, early 
 2000s, with a 5spd. The newer ones got fat...
 -Curt
 
>>> Older ones were bad for rusting. Neighbors across the lane from us had a 
>>> wagon that slowly rusted away. They have a diesel Golf now and although 
>>> it is getting old, still looks pretty good.
>>> 
>>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] One For Mrs Dan

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V6, Manny tranny, and 19k miles?
That thing has BATmobile written all over it. 
Too bad it doesn't have the two tone red interior of the SLK230

Mitch. 

> On November 27, 2018 at 9:00 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> 
> Could be worse, like this 2004 SLK320 with stupid low miles (19k?) on it.  
> They put it up a couple of weeks ago at like $15k-$16k with no takers, now 
> it’s down to $11k.
> 
> https://www.lokeynissan.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Mercedes_Benz-SLK_Class-SLK320-Clearwater-FL/3329023403

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Re: [MBZ] I might need AZ Bob to check this out for me

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Say the word, Kaleb. I think I could see it in the daylight Saturday. 

Bob R

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> 
> My turbo Mercedes does a hundred and five...
> I lost my license, now I don't drive.
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Re: [MBZ] One For Mrs Dan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Could be worse, like this 2004 SLK320 with stupid low miles (19k?) on it.  They 
put it up a couple of weeks ago at like $15k-$16k with no takers, now it’s down 
to $11k.

https://www.lokeynissan.com/VehicleDetails/used-2004-Mercedes_Benz-SLK_Class-SLK320-Clearwater-FL/3329023403

If it wasn’t a six speed crashbox I would go make them a stupid offer, like 
maybe $8k.  Wife doesn’t drive a stick, and I’m not about to try and teach her. 
 That’s probably one of the things working against this car.  Too bad, it 
actually looks pretty nice.

-D

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> Something didn't feel right about that interior, unless it's a Designo or 
> something. 
> I tried looking it up, and if I read the VIN right i's supposed to be Quartz 
> leather.
> Brilliant silver paint seems to be a match, but those seats are not quartz. 
> Mitch. 
> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_DatacardAction.php?lang=E&vin=WDBKK47F6YF157687
> 
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>> 
>> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/2000-mercedes-slk-convertible/6754297578.html
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Re: [MBZ] I might need AZ Bob to check this out for me

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My turbo Mercedes does a hundred and five...
I lost my license, now I don't drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWvKDSwvls

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Re: [MBZ] I might need AZ Bob to check this out for me

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I gave up trying to read the owner's essay.  In the holiday spirit this car
is a turkey.

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> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series/183548881129?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D13a4e13e087a4164ba0f43e46f4aab59%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D143029214931%26itm%3D183548881129&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042
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Re: [MBZ] One For Mrs Dan

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Something didn't feel right about that interior, unless it's a Designo or 
something. 
I tried looking it up, and if I read the VIN right i's supposed to be Quartz 
leather.
Brilliant silver paint seems to be a match, but those seats are not quartz. 
Mitch. 
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> On November 27, 2018 at 6:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
> I think I’ve seen a number of videos and posts in various places where people 
> have bought Prii for cheep and rejuvenated just single cells of the battery 
> pack with great success.

There are people who match up cells from junkyard batteries and sell them as 
refurbished. 
The problem is that once a few cells start dying, their identical twins will 
probably be getting there in another year or two. 
I can see taking the best 28 cells out of two battery packs and reselling the 
car, but I don't see the point of doing that and keeping it, at least not as 
long as I tend to keep cars. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] best diesel MB car engine vid

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From there to "The Most Honest Car Factory in the World"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJLcoGMPQ94

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 6:38 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> Some light viewing. Maybe a good swap for the 123, or perhaps for my 55
> olds. Kaleb let me know if you come across any of these cars on car part,
> the pre facelift w211 cdi with the om648:
>
> https://youtu.be/huKTDlwteAg
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 4:34 PM Karl Wittnebel 
> > I have the little ones. Not super bright, but even a modest amount of
> > light is enough when you're in the dark.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 8:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> >
> >> We have massive sun exposure in front - house faces due South - and on
> the
> >> east wall where I need the lights.  I had hoped someone had purchased
> one
> >> of these newer lights recently that claims to be REALLY bright.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:32 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Be sure you place the panel in a location that gets sun all hours of
> the
> >> > day.  Around my home the idiots toss the lights up where they want
> >> light,
> >> > not where sun will be.  Magic misunderstanding of how the things work,
> >> so
> >> > they must function because the sun is out, even if the thing is placed
> >> in
> >> > shade all day long.
> >> >
> >> > Guy up the street covered his roof with solar panels.  Must be able to
> >> > generate 3kW if they were not shaded by massive trees but for high
> noon.
> >> > Solar water heater is equally occluded.
> >> >
> >> > clay monroe
> >> > redgh...@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I've seen compelling TV ads for these.  They are VERY bright.  Any
> >> > > recommendations?  I could mount them all over the exterior of my
> >> house.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
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[MBZ] best diesel MB car engine vid

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Some light viewing. Maybe a good swap for the 123, or perhaps for my 55
olds. Kaleb let me know if you come across any of these cars on car part,
the pre facelift w211 cdi with the om648:

https://youtu.be/huKTDlwteAg

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 4:34 PM Karl Wittnebel  I have the little ones. Not super bright, but even a modest amount of
> light is enough when you're in the dark.
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 8:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>
>> We have massive sun exposure in front - house faces due South - and on the
>> east wall where I need the lights.  I had hoped someone had purchased one
>> of these newer lights recently that claims to be REALLY bright.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:32 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Be sure you place the panel in a location that gets sun all hours of the
>> > day.  Around my home the idiots toss the lights up where they want
>> light,
>> > not where sun will be.  Magic misunderstanding of how the things work,
>> so
>> > they must function because the sun is out, even if the thing is placed
>> in
>> > shade all day long.
>> >
>> > Guy up the street covered his roof with solar panels.  Must be able to
>> > generate 3kW if they were not shaded by massive trees but for high noon.
>> > Solar water heater is equally occluded.
>> >
>> > clay monroe
>> > redgh...@comcast.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I've seen compelling TV ads for these.  They are VERY bright.  Any
>> > > recommendations?  I could mount them all over the exterior of my
>> house.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atomic-Beam-Sunblast-Motion-Sensor-Light-Solar-Powered-As-Seen-On-TV/163372936285?hash=item2609c92c5d:g:vGYAAOSw-pNb19zu:rk:1:pf:0
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Re: [MBZ] Poos or somebody could do something with this

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It almost looks as if somebody pulled the glass out and all the trim in 
prep of paint, or something, then it was abandoned.


On 11/27/2018 6:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

It goes against my principles to say this about any vintage MB after making the 
Pierre (Hedary) pledge, but that’s a parts car, buddy.  Or - a donor to the 
back forty of Okie Acres.

-D

  

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar powered motion sensor lighting

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I have the little ones. Not super bright, but even a modest amount of light
is enough when you're in the dark.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 8:01 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> We have massive sun exposure in front - house faces due South - and on the
> east wall where I need the lights.  I had hoped someone had purchased one
> of these newer lights recently that claims to be REALLY bright.
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:32 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Be sure you place the panel in a location that gets sun all hours of the
> > day.  Around my home the idiots toss the lights up where they want light,
> > not where sun will be.  Magic misunderstanding of how the things work, so
> > they must function because the sun is out, even if the thing is placed in
> > shade all day long.
> >
> > Guy up the street covered his roof with solar panels.  Must be able to
> > generate 3kW if they were not shaded by massive trees but for high noon.
> > Solar water heater is equally occluded.
> >
> > clay monroe
> > redgh...@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've seen compelling TV ads for these.  They are VERY bright.  Any
> > > recommendations?  I could mount them all over the exterior of my house.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atomic-Beam-Sunblast-Motion-Sensor-Light-Solar-Powered-As-Seen-On-TV/163372936285?hash=item2609c92c5d:g:vGYAAOSw-pNb19zu:rk:1:pf:0
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Re: [MBZ] Poos or somebody could do something with this

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It goes against my principles to say this about any vintage MB after making the 
Pierre (Hedary) pledge, but that’s a parts car, buddy.  Or - a donor to the 
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Re: [MBZ] One For Mrs Dan

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SLK230 - bad.

SLK320 - good

Thanks!

-D
> On Nov 27, 2018, at 7:01 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

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I think I’ve seen a number of videos and posts in various places where people 
have bought Prii for cheep and rejuvenated just single cells of the battery 
pack with great success.

-D


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:39 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
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> 
> Chris Fixx did a video where he replaced the battery in a Priapus.   Dealer 
> wanted over $3k for the pak, he found it online for half that.  In my search 
> for SD replacement, the evil priii had to be looked at.  These things are all 
> over the place and can be picked up for less than a used replacement motor 
> for the SD
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
>>> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after 
>>> all has been out for a long time at this point.
>> 
>> The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
>> 1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium. 
>> 
>> The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
>> give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
>> promised. 
>> The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for 
>> example, if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which 
>> point the car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

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POR-15 is your friend.  Embrace it for any and all rust repairs.

-D


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:29 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> So this will be my first attempt at rust abatement. I will be asking 
> questions soon. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The '80s ones sure but I don't think the ones from the '90s or newer are any 
>> worse than anything else of the period.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 4:21:01 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> On 27/11/2018 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>  I've driven a few and liked them. We have friends that had a pair of the 
>>> older 2wd wagons that they put on something like 400,000 miles each. They 
>>> had no money so those cars got minimal maintenance. I was very impressed 
>>> with those cars.
>>> My favorite Subaru is the Forester like Dwight had, late '90s, early 2000s, 
>>> with a 5spd. The newer ones got fat...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>> Older ones were bad for rusting. Neighbors across the lane from us had a 
>> wagon that slowly rusted away. They have a diesel Golf now and although 
>> it is getting old, still looks pretty good.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Kolifornia can not make enough power for its own uses.  PNW is pretty strapped 
as well.  Unless Mr. Buffet has plans to own the power grid and build out to 
meed the forecasted need, there is little probability electric only cars will 
rule the road.


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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 27/11/2018 12:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
>>> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after 
>>> all has been out for a long time at this point.
>> The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
>> 1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium.
>> 
>> The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
>> give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
>> promised.
>> The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for 
>> example, if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which 
>> point the car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery.
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> ___
> 
> My understanding is that there is a shortage of lithium to make batteries on 
> a large scale.
> I also fail to see or understand how is it good for the environment to toss a 
> car after the battery wears out in 7 years?
> Much of the USA has pretty old and limited electrical infrastructure so 
> charging a few million cars is not going to be easy or cheap. If the 
> utilities have to ramp up the grid, you all know it is going to cost $$$.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

 
 Rust repair, or rust prevention?


You are AZ Bob, your local climate does rust abatement...   

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Chris Fixx did a video where he replaced the battery in a Priapus.   Dealer 
wanted over $3k for the pak, he found it online for half that.  In my search 
for SD replacement, the evil priii had to be looked at.  These things are all 
over the place and can be picked up for less than a used replacement motor for 
the SD

clay monroe
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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
>> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after 
>> all has been out for a long time at this point.
> 
> The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
> 1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium. 
> 
> The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
> give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
> promised. 
> The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for 
> example, if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which 
> point the car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

So this will be my first attempt at rust abatement. I will be asking questions 
soon. 

Bob R

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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The '80s ones sure but I don't think the ones from the '90s or newer are any 
> worse than anything else of the period.
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 4:21:01 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> On 27/11/2018 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>   I've driven a few and liked them. We have friends that had a pair of the 
>> older 2wd wagons that they put on something like 400,000 miles each. They 
>> had no money so those cars got minimal maintenance. I was very impressed 
>> with those cars.
>> My favorite Subaru is the Forester like Dwight had, late '90s, early 2000s, 
>> with a 5spd. The newer ones got fat...
>> -Curt
>> 
> Older ones were bad for rusting. Neighbors across the lane from us had a 
> wagon that slowly rusted away. They have a diesel Golf now and although 
> it is getting old, still looks pretty good.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 1976 Volvo brings joy to some

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

$5k for any 32 y.o. clean car - even if it isn't a "classic - is not
unreasonable

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:54 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 27/11/2018 8:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Along with stupid money.
> >
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-volvo-242-dl/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-11-27
> > ___
> Seller is more than a bit upset. Did not get stupid money and hoped to
> do so.
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Re: [MBZ] 1976 Volvo brings joy to some

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 27/11/2018 8:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Along with stupid money.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-volvo-242-dl/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-11-27
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Seller is more than a bit upset. Did not get stupid money and hoped to 
do so.


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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The '80s ones sure but I don't think the ones from the '90s or newer are any 
worse than anything else of the period.
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 4:21:01 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 27/11/2018 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  I've driven a few and liked them. We have friends that had a pair of the 
>older 2wd wagons that they put on something like 400,000 miles each. They had 
>no money so those cars got minimal maintenance. I was very impressed with 
>those cars.
> My favorite Subaru is the Forester like Dwight had, late '90s, early 2000s, 
> with a 5spd. The newer ones got fat...
> -Curt
>
Older ones were bad for rusting. Neighbors across the lane from us had a 
wagon that slowly rusted away. They have a diesel Golf now and although 
it is getting old, still looks pretty good.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

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On 27/11/2018 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  I've driven a few and liked them. We have friends that had a pair of the 
older 2wd wagons that they put on something like 400,000 miles each. They had 
no money so those cars got minimal maintenance. I was very impressed with those 
cars.
My favorite Subaru is the Forester like Dwight had, late '90s, early 2000s, 
with a 5spd. The newer ones got fat...
-Curt

Older ones were bad for rusting. Neighbors across the lane from us had a 
wagon that slowly rusted away. They have a diesel Golf now and although 
it is getting old, still looks pretty good.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've driven a few and liked them. We have friends that had a pair of the older 
2wd wagons that they put on something like 400,000 miles each. They had no 
money so those cars got minimal maintenance. I was very impressed with those 
cars.
My favorite Subaru is the Forester like Dwight had, late '90s, early 2000s, 
with a 5spd. The newer ones got fat...
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 3:24:59 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Also, you need Subaru dealer antifreeze, and additive (it is a Subaru branded 
European stop leak).
They are almost cult cars, not unlike MB in that regard.

Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please


Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off hand.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please


Is 100kmi in Chicagoland the same as 300kmi in a more rural setting?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 As I understand it doing head gaskets proactively on these is a good idea. I 
talked to a guy that owns a small Subaru shop that sells cars and he does head 
gaskets on every car he gets in. He says they're quick and "easy"...
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 3:00:33 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off hand.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please


Is 100kmi in Chicagoland the same as 300kmi in a more rural setting?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

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On 27/11/2018 2:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

IF the cars are charged overnight, it will help even the load on the
existing grid, not require a large build-out. That's a big IF though . . .



A quick search suggests that power demand is lowest between  about 2 and 
4 AM and highest around 6 PM.
Car charging plugs would need to be on timers that would prevent people 
from charging their cars outside of the middle of the night. Otherwise, 
people would forget to plug in when they got home and would plug in for 
a bit when they got up - which is a time when demand ramps up.


This may all happen but I hope it is 40 or 50 years away. I will be gone 
and it will not matter to me.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 27/11/2018 2:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

IF the cars are charged overnight, it will help even the load on the
existing grid, not require a large build-out. That's a big IF though . . .

But, night is dark and there will be no solar power to boost the grid 
and most folks are at home at night using the AC when it is hot and the 
heat when it is cold. Are night time energy draws all that much lower 
than daytime?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Carfax Please

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 27/11/2018 2:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On November 27, 2018 at 2:59 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off hand.

The problem with the quote below is that I know the 1.6L had weak head gaskets 
back in the 1970s.
And don't get me started on the 1990s SVX.

https://carfromjapan.com/article/industry-knowledge/the-history-of-subaru-head-gasket-problem/

The models that have this failed gasket problem are:

 Impreza (from 1999 to 2011)
 Forester (from 1999 to 2010)
 Legacy (from 2000 to 2009)
 Outback (from 2000 to 2009)
 Baja (from 2003 to 2006)

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I wonder about parts availability too. I read on a forum, not too long 
back, about someone who was upset because their Subaru had a cracked oil 
pan - cast aluminum - and there were none available even in Japan. The 
vehicle was out of service until they could find something which was not 
proving to be easy.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Also, you need Subaru dealer antifreeze, and additive (it is a Subaru branded 
European stop leak).
They are almost cult cars, not unlike MB in that regard.

Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please


Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off hand.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please


Is 100kmi in Chicagoland the same as 300kmi in a more rural setting?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Carfax Please

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

The oil pressure sensor on top of the engine needs replaced cause it’s weeping, 
there is a small exhaust leak. The one thing that is odd is that the passenger 
rear tire is bald down to the belts, and the others show expected wear for a 
year old. The doofus owner says he’s done nothing to the tire since he bought 
them. If it were an alignment issue or a strut issue wouldn’t it drive all 
wonky? It drove wonderfully. 

Bob R

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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 27, 2018 at 2:59 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
>> They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off 
>> hand.
> 
> The problem with the quote below is that I know the 1.6L had weak head 
> gaskets back in the 1970s.
> And don't get me started on the 1990s SVX. 
> 
> https://carfromjapan.com/article/industry-knowledge/the-history-of-subaru-head-gasket-problem/
> 
> The models that have this failed gasket problem are:
> 
>Impreza (from 1999 to 2011)
>Forester (from 1999 to 2010)
>Legacy (from 2000 to 2009)
>Outback (from 2000 to 2009)
>Baja (from 2003 to 2006)
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[OK Don via Mercedes]

IF the cars are charged overnight, it will help even the load on the
existing grid, not require a large build-out. That's a big IF though . . .

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 2:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 27/11/2018 12:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the
> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after
> all has been out for a long time at this point.
> > The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH
> from 1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium.
> >
> > The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was
> forced to give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last
> as long as promised.
> > The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for
> example, if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which
> point the car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > ___
>
> My understanding is that there is a shortage of lithium to make
> batteries on a large scale.
> I also fail to see or understand how is it good for the environment to
> toss a car after the battery wears out in 7 years?
> Much of the USA has pretty old and limited electrical infrastructure so
> charging a few million cars is not going to be easy or cheap. If the
> utilities have to ramp up the grid, you all know it is going to cost $$$.
>
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I didn't have any real issue talking on a phone before hands free became 
common. The bigger problem is texting. That pretty much requires that 
one focus on the device rather than the road.


It is getting expensive around here if one is caught using the phone 
without hands free. The fine is now $672 and I think 2 demerit points.


RB

On 27/11/2018 9:38 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I’m for it if it’s not hands-free. That’s not ideal, but I’m a realist and 
recognize that few, if any, people will refrain from using the phone while 
driving.

-D


On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on the
phone?






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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/11/2018 11:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:01:44 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


On 26/11/2018 3:53 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!

--FT


Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
2-wheel drive vehicle ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 27/11/2018 12:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after all 
has been out for a long time at this point.

The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium.

The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
promised.
The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for example, 
if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which point the 
car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery.

Mitch.

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My understanding is that there is a shortage of lithium to make 
batteries on a large scale.
I also fail to see or understand how is it good for the environment to 
toss a car after the battery wears out in 7 years?
Much of the USA has pretty old and limited electrical infrastructure so 
charging a few million cars is not going to be easy or cheap. If the 
utilities have to ramp up the grid, you all know it is going to cost $$$.


RB

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Carfax Please

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 2:59 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
> They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off hand.

The problem with the quote below is that I know the 1.6L had weak head gaskets 
back in the 1970s.
And don't get me started on the 1990s SVX. 

https://carfromjapan.com/article/industry-knowledge/the-history-of-subaru-head-gasket-problem/

The models that have this failed gasket problem are:

Impreza (from 1999 to 2011)
Forester (from 1999 to 2010)
Legacy (from 2000 to 2009)
Outback (from 2000 to 2009)
Baja (from 2003 to 2006)

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off hand.


Rick

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Is 100kmi in Chicagoland the same as 300kmi in a more rural setting?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Is 100kmi in Chicagoland the same as 300kmi in a more rural setting?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

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[MBZ] Carfax Please

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

4S3BH675146646141

2004 Subaru Outback.

TIA

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

When I see people doing this while driving, my first thought is always, “I’ll 
be sure to have their phone records subpoenaed when I present the case to the 
court.”

-D

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hands free phone use is ok.  
> 
> Phone in hand?  If coupled with distracted driving (wrong speed, can't stay 
> in lane, failure to yield) or a collision, I'm in favor of increased legal 
> penalties, increased exposure to civil prosecution.  Also should be tied to 
> increased insurance costs for a period not to exceed six months for first 
> offence, twelve for second offense, etc.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On November 27, 2018 10:14:16 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on
>> the
>> phone?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after all 
> has been out for a long time at this point.

The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium. 

The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
promised. 
The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for example, 
if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which point the 
car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The Volt is a better idea that the Prius as its a series hybrid, the gas 
engine only powers the electric motor which powers the wheels, this cuts down 
on the extra weight of the parallel drive train.
I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after all 
has been out for a long time at this point.
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 11:40:56 AM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 26/11/2018 7:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> When I first heard about the Volt, I figured it was the worst of both worlds.
> Worse fuel economy than a Cruze on the hwy running on gas, not enough battery 
> range to be a viable electric car.
>
> But in talking to people who own them, it works in practice. They charge it 
> up when they're home, let it run in hybrid mode when it's low on charge, and 
> even with some extra running on the gas engine just to keep it active they 
> get over 200mpg not counting the cost of electricity.
> Even on a long trip, like 1200 miles to Florida, I bet I could get over 45 
> miles per gallon in a 2nd generation Volt. Run electric for the first 50 
> miles, let it recharge some on the downhills in Kentucky and Tennessee, and 
> finish with the battery at 20%.
>
> Mitch.

Agreed. I thought it was stupid when it first came out but I have seen 
some of them on the road and am coming around to the idea that it might 
be a decent vehicle. I wonder how long the battery is good for and what 
it costs to replace or repair it.
I also wonder why GM is dropping it given their stated intention to 
invest a bundle in electric car development. It would seem logical to 
keep the only one they have going in the interim.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Most winches go the wrong way, I don't want to get pulled into the hole worse 
than I am now, I want to get out. Even if I pull through the hole I'll have to 
turn around and go back...
A lot of where we travel theres nothing to winch to, the trees are too small or 
too far from the road. A couple weeks ago when Eric got stuck in the snow he 
was out in a field...
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 11:38:20 AM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 26/11/2018 11:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
> 2-wheel drive vehicle ...
>
>
> Craig
>
> ___

I used to work with a fellow who was an avid outdoorsman. He had a 4 WD 
Suburban with big tires and a winch on the front. He always said if he 
had to choose, he would keep the winch and give up the 4 WD.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Next you'll be telling us that polio isn't so bad, "keeps you in your bed for a 
couple weeks."
You're completely wrong about measles, thousands of people used to die every 
year. Failing to vaccinate against it WILL kill people...
-Curt


On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 7:53:44 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 it is the chickenpox

The medico biz is sloowly coming around to see that letting kids get 
chickenpox, measles and mumps is better than shooting 60-80 vaccines 
into kids, or whatever the current number is.

We all got chickenpox and measles, and many got mumps.  It was no big 
deal, just a few days or a week out of skool for each, and that was a treat!

> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> November 27, 2018 at 6:26 AM
> Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of 
> pocket
> for it. I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from one
> of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
> think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
> -
> Max (who isn't a doctor)
> Charleston SC
>

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Hands free phone use is ok.  

Phone in hand?  If coupled with distracted driving (wrong speed, can't stay in 
lane, failure to yield) or a collision, I'm in favor of increased legal 
penalties, increased exposure to civil prosecution.  Also should be tied to 
increased insurance costs for a period not to exceed six months for first 
offence, twelve for second offense, etc.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 27, 2018 10:14:16 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on
>the
>phone?
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 12:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I stopped to help and of course it was all my fault that she had driven off 
> the road, she claimed it was "so slippery she couldn't stay on the road at 
> all" and somehow my big truck being behind her had made it worse.

See?
There's no reason to learn how to drive when none of your crashes are even your 
fault. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 "You DON'T want to "float" on snow while driving."
Onroad anyway. Offroad in really deep snow flotation is your friend. If we'd 
stayed at camp through the second snow storm a couple weeks ago I'd have aired 
down to float on the snow better.
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 7:13:54 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Exactly!

I used to regularly drive a chunk of I-35 that was relatively straight 
for quite a few miles, then a gentle curve of 35-40 degrees or so, 
before it went the other way in a big s.

The first snow was quite amusing if you went through about 8 am.  There 
would be maybe 10-30 (2 WD) cars in the ditches before "SUVs" became 
popular.

When the majority of vehicles were high center of gravity 4WD "SUVs" a 
few years later, 25=50% of the vehicles were on the side or rolled 
over;  and with even a slight snow, there would be 50-100 in the 
ditches, sometimes so many that anyone sliding off was likely to hit one 
or more in the ditch.  Most of these people drove the same road to work 
every day, but never learned.

4wd has no more contact patches (between the tar and the road) than 
2wd.  In face, the 4wd usually has bigger/wider tires with not much 
change in vehicle weight, resulting in less lb/sq in pressure on those 4 
small contact patches.  Even though there is more surface area, the 
lighter pressure makes it easier to slide.  Think about it.  does an 
ice skater use snowshoes or a blade to make the contact with the ice 
surface?  could they gain more control with more contact area?

In fact the reverse is true: the slicker it gets, the smaller and 
narrower the tire should be.  This principle goes for ice and snow 
both.  You DON'T want to "float" on snow while driving.

The loose nut behind the wheel thinks "I have 4WD, I don't have to slow 
down on the snow/ice?  When they slide into the ditch at high speed, 
the high center of gravity of their "invincible SUV" results in 
rollovers where my SDL, had I been as stupid, would have stayed upright.

If you went though about 7:30 am, it was downright scary with idiots 
sliding off all around you and going in the ditch.  They'd go flying by 
, then loose it and slide left or right, bashing anything in the way
> fmiser via Mercedes 
> November 27, 2018 at 1:40 AM
>>> Floyd wrote:
>>>
>>> butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!
>
>> Randy wrote:
>>
>> Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.
>
> I don't think Floyd is saying 4WD is bad - just that the it seems
> a lot of people seem to think. "The car has 4WD, so I don't have
> to slow down, or drive more carefully just because there is snow.
> The 4WD will means I can go anywhere at any speed!"
>
> I find it interesting that during a recent snow here I had to
> drive in it - and I saw about 6 vehicles in the ditch - 5 were
> four-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive.  Since I _know_ the
> mechanicals improve the performance is those conditions, it sure
> suggests its the loose nut behind the wheel that is the source of
> the problem.
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 11:39 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I also wonder why GM is dropping it given their stated intention to 
> invest a bundle in electric car development. It would seem logical to 
> keep the only one they have going in the interim.
>

The only one they have going now is the Bolt. 
I have a feeling the Bolt with its giant battery was cutting into Volt sales, 
especially since we're being told that nobody wants sedans any more. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 That reminds me, a few winters ago I was driving in a snowstorm. It wasn't 
that bad out, the roads were salted well, I was driving the pickup but in 2wd.
In front of me at a stoplight was a Honda SUV, as we pulled away from the light 
she accelerated hard and then when the road turned slightly to the right she 
veered right off the right side of the road. At first I thought she'd slid but 
on later reflection I realized she must have been looking at her phone or 
something as she didn't slow down or try to steer out of it.
I stopped to help and of course it was all my fault that she had driven off the 
road, she claimed it was "so slippery she couldn't stay on the road at all" and 
somehow my big truck being behind her had made it worse.
She'd gotten it so far into the ditch she couldn't drive it out and I couldn't 
see anywhere on it to hook on a strap. She "called her husband" and he was "on 
his way" so I took off and left her there...
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 2:40:56 AM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > > Floyd wrote:
> > 
> > butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!

> Randy wrote:
> 
> Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

I don't think Floyd is saying 4WD is bad - just that the it seems
a lot of people seem to think. "The car has 4WD, so I don't have
to slow down, or drive more carefully just because there is snow.
The 4WD will means I can go anywhere at any speed!"

I find it interesting that during a recent snow here I had to
drive in it - and I saw about 6 vehicles in the ditch - 5 were
four-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive.  Since I _know_ the
mechanicals improve the performance is those conditions, it sure
suggests its the loose nut behind the wheel that is the source of
the problem.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Unless you're stuck on a treeless Manitoba plain in the middle of
nowhere..

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:38 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 26/11/2018 11:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
> > 2-wheel drive vehicle ...
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > ___
>
> I used to work with a fellow who was an avid outdoorsman. He had a 4 WD
> Suburban with big tires and a winch on the front. He always said if he
> had to choose, he would keep the winch and give up the 4 WD.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/11/2018 7:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

When I first heard about the Volt, I figured it was the worst of both worlds.
Worse fuel economy than a Cruze on the hwy running on gas, not enough battery 
range to be a viable electric car.

But in talking to people who own them, it works in practice. They charge it up 
when they're home, let it run in hybrid mode when it's low on charge, and even 
with some extra running on the gas engine just to keep it active they get over 
200mpg not counting the cost of electricity.
Even on a long trip, like 1200 miles to Florida, I bet I could get over 45 
miles per gallon in a 2nd generation Volt. Run electric for the first 50 miles, 
let it recharge some on the downhills in Kentucky and Tennessee, and finish 
with the battery at 20%.

Mitch.


Agreed. I thought it was stupid when it first came out but I have seen 
some of them on the road and am coming around to the idea that it might 
be a decent vehicle. I wonder how long the battery is good for and what 
it costs to replace or repair it.
I also wonder why GM is dropping it given their stated intention to 
invest a bundle in electric car development. It would seem logical to 
keep the only one they have going in the interim.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/11/2018 11:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
2-wheel drive vehicle ...


Craig

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Suburban with big tires and a winch on the front. He always said if he 
had to choose, he would keep the winch and give up the 4 WD.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m for it if it’s not hands-free. That’s not ideal, but I’m a realist and 
recognize that few, if any, people will refrain from using the phone while 
driving.

-D

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on the
> phone?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:33 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I agree!   I know how to drive in snow.  BUT, I will say that the traction
>> control/dynamic stability did improve things in my car.  AND it’s a 20 year
>> old car.  But, I agree with you people get way too dependent on the tech.
>> We all have seen 4wd trucks that think they are invincible end up in the
>> ditch because they ran into some ice.
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rick Knoble [mailto:rickkno...@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:29 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SNOW!
>> 
>> Barrister Snook opines:
>> 
>>> It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.
>> 
>> The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you.
>> Folks in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the
>> limits of traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to
>> control the car.
>> 
>> Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on the
phone?


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:33 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I agree!   I know how to drive in snow.  BUT, I will say that the traction
> control/dynamic stability did improve things in my car.  AND it’s a 20 year
> old car.  But, I agree with you people get way too dependent on the tech.
>  We all have seen 4wd trucks that think they are invincible end up in the
> ditch because they ran into some ice.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Knoble [mailto:rickkno...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:29 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SNOW!
>
> Barrister Snook opines:
>
> >It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.
>
> The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you.
> Folks in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the
> limits of traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to
> control the car.
>
> Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So did I but I wouldn't want kids to go through what I did.  Vaccination is
a way safer alternative.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:22 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yup. I had the trifecta (measles, mumps, chicken pox) as did my siblings.
> All before I was school age, so I got no relief in that regard.
>
> -D
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > it is the chickenpox
> >
> > The medico biz is sloowly coming around to see that letting kids get
> chickenpox, measles and mumps is better than shooting 60-80 vaccines into
> kids, or whatever the current number is.
> >
> > We all got chickenpox and measles, and many got mumps.  It was no big
> deal, just a few days or a week out of skool for each, and that was a treat!
> >
> >> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >> November 27, 2018 at 6:26 AM
> >> Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of
> pocket
> >> for it. I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from
> one
> >> of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
> >> think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
> >> -
> >> Max (who isn't a doctor)
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
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[MBZ] 1976 Volvo brings joy to some

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Along with stupid money.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-volvo-242-dl/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-11-27
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar powered motion sensor lighting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I need something more compact, in one housing w/o wires or a separate solar
collector..

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:00 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Almost, but not quite..
> Like this example.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Costech-Outdoor-Weatherproof-Ultra-Bright-Driveway/dp/B072NFJ1RR/ref=pd_bxgy_60_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B072NFJ1RR&pd_rd_r=859de756-f200-11e8-b84d-d3ea889372c2&pd_rd_w=wT9t0&pd_rd_wg=C0Vy9&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=6725dbd6-9917-451d-beba-16af7874e407&pf_rd_r=KSBNH5JFGAEF5ZG1XW04&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=KSBNH5JFGAEF5ZG1XW04
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:42 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On November 26, 2018 at 11:29 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The newest use "COBB" LED lights, which are very bright.
> >
> > Like this?
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Magictec-Security-Lighting-Waterproof-Driveway/dp/B071P4X7F1
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I agree!   I know how to drive in snow.  BUT, I will say that the traction 
control/dynamic stability did improve things in my car.  AND it’s a 20 year old 
car.  But, I agree with you people get way too dependent on the tech.   We all 
have seen 4wd trucks that think they are invincible end up in the ditch because 
they ran into some ice. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Knoble [mailto:rickkno...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

Barrister Snook opines:

>It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.

The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you. Folks 
in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the limits of 
traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to control the car. 

Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Take Briley Parkway near the airport to bypass most of Nashville if you 
are going up I-24


--FT


On 11/27/18 7:56 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

I drove back from Columbia, SC on Saturday through Atlanta because there was 
freezing rain predicted in Cherokee -- that stretch of I 40 is quite bad enough 
in dry, sunny weather when the traffic is heavy, no need to risk trouble.

Some rain, but otherwise a nice drive.  If I make the trip again, I will go 
that way, I can take US 231 for  40 or 50 miles of two lane to skip the traffic 
in Nashville, TN.

Only a few idiots on the trip, one of whom wiped out three or four cars zig 
zagging around like Ricky Racer in bumper to bumper traffic.
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yup. I had the trifecta (measles, mumps, chicken pox) as did my siblings.  All 
before I was school age, so I got no relief in that regard.

-D

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> it is the chickenpox
> 
> The medico biz is sloowly coming around to see that letting kids get 
> chickenpox, measles and mumps is better than shooting 60-80 vaccines into 
> kids, or whatever the current number is.
> 
> We all got chickenpox and measles, and many got mumps.  It was no big deal, 
> just a few days or a week out of skool for each, and that was a treat!
> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2018 at 6:26 AM
>> Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of pocket
>> for it. I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from one
>> of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
>> think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
>> -
>> Max (who isn't a doctor)
>> Charleston SC
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Slow big trucks - was: SNOW!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's what I was thinking, we have self-driving vehicles now, GPS 
locators, smart engine controls, sensors among all the vehicles, 
communicators, all that stuff.  One might think that whoever programs 
the units could add such a feature into it, or at least a 5min "passing" 
speed that can be activated once in awhile, or when the nannies detect 
slower traffic that is being passed.


--FT


On 11/27/18 7:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

These days the nannies can include GPS enabled cruise control. It knows to get 
a running start at a hill, and to slow down at the top of a hill to reduce 
braking on the downside. I'm not sure how that interfaces with the speed 
limiter if the fleet operator opts for limits.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I wonder what would have happened if you called the motor carrier division of 
the state highway patrol. 
Mitch. 


> On November 27, 2018 at 8:09 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>  he would go on the shoulder, to the left lane, back to the 
> shoulder, repeat, repeat.   I called the company and reported him to the 
> dispatch, who said "Oh,, that's Bob, he's one of our best drivers. He's 
> OK.  Then I called back and got the safety office.  Their attitude was 
> similar.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They've lowered the CG a couple inches in most of them.

The drivers are WORSE now.   Sitting behind the wheel is time to shave, 
apply makeup paste, text, read books or newspapers, kindles etc etc. it 
is not considered important to drive.  Let the nanny do that.   I don't 
have to slow down in snow, "My SUV is invincible."


I look at what other drivers are doing on the interstate.  It gets more 
scary each trip.  Probably 50% now are not driving. YMMV, and I'd guess 
in the big cities it is worse.


One of the worst distracted drivers I have seen was a "Professional" who 
just got  on the interstate from his company yard, a major flatbed 
hauler.   THis guy was all over 2 lanes and the shoulder in a congested 
area.  I guessed he was chasing a puppy all over the cab in place of 
driving.  he would go on the shoulder, to the left lane, back to the 
shoulder, repeat, repeat.   I called the company and reported him to the 
dispatch, who said "Oh,, that's Bob, he's one of our best drivers. He's 
OK.  Then I called back and got the safety office.  Their attitude was 
similar.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 27, 2018 at 6:54 AM
Yep, that's why in the 1980s and 1990s I called them Suddenly 
Upsidedown Vehicles.
I don't know if the drivers are finally better now, or if the 
unibody/crossover models are harder to flip. Probably the latter after 
all the hoopla over the capsized Explorers with exploded rear tires 
and Consumer Reports started testing for roll resistance.


Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] Slow big trucks - was: SNOW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

These days the nannies can include GPS enabled cruise control. It knows to get 
a running start at a hill, and to slow down at the top of a hill to reduce 
braking on the downside. I'm not sure how that interfaces with the speed 
limiter if the fleet operator opts for limits. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I drove back from Columbia, SC on Saturday through Atlanta because there was 
freezing rain predicted in Cherokee -- that stretch of I 40 is quite bad enough 
in dry, sunny weather when the traffic is heavy, no need to risk trouble.

Some rain, but otherwise a nice drive.  If I make the trip again, I will go 
that way, I can take US 231 for  40 or 50 miles of two lane to skip the traffic 
in Nashville, TN.

Only a few idiots on the trip, one of whom wiped out three or four cars zig 
zagging around like Ricky Racer in bumper to bumper traffic.
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Yep, that's why in the 1980s and 1990s I called them Suddenly Upsidedown 
Vehicles. 
I don't know if the drivers are finally better now, or if the unibody/crossover 
models are harder to flip. Probably the latter after all the hoopla over the 
capsized Explorers with exploded rear tires and Consumer Reports started 
testing for roll resistance. 

Mitch. 

> On November 27, 2018 at 7:13 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The first snow was quite amusing if you went through about 8 am.  There 
> would be maybe 10-30 (2 WD) cars in the ditches before "SUVs" became 
> popular.
> 
> When the majority of vehicles were high center of gravity 4WD "SUVs" a 
> few years later, 25=50% of the vehicles were on the side or rolled 
> over;  and with even a slight snow, there would be 50-100 in the 
> ditches, sometimes so many that anyone sliding off was likely to hit one 
> or more in the ditch.   Most of these people drove the same road to work 
> every day, but never learned.

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

it is the chickenpox

The medico biz is sloowly coming around to see that letting kids get 
chickenpox, measles and mumps is better than shooting 60-80 vaccines 
into kids, or whatever the current number is.


We all got chickenpox and measles, and many got mumps.  It was no big 
deal, just a few days or a week out of skool for each, and that was a treat!



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 27, 2018 at 6:26 AM
Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of 
pocket

for it. I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from one
of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
-
Max (who isn't a doctor)
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

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> On November 27, 2018 at 12:46 AM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There was a radio station in California with the call sign KFPK ...

https://www.kpfk.org/

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of pocket
for it.  I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from one
of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
-
Max (who isn't a doctor)
Charleston SC


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:54 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Been trying to get the vaccine but insurance won’t pay for it until you
> hit 60. I guess that means you don’t get it until then, right?
>
> -D
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Slow big trucks - was: SNOW!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Philip.

It sounds to me that before these nannies existed, a driver had the ability
to get a "running start" for a hill and exceed the speed limit for bit on
the approach, or when passing another truck a driver could exceed the speed
limit (within prudence) to complete the maneuver more quickly, so as to
avoid disrupting / annoying the 4-wheeled vehicles.  One of the rules of
the road I was taught in driver ed was "go with the flow" and do my part to
contribute to a smooth and predictable flow of traffic.

Common sense and courtesy not allowed now, nannies will force us to comply,
no matter the consequence.  I think the design engineers and bean counters
need to ride shotgun for a few weeks in a truck, and see what they have
wrought.  Probably another case of living only in an urban setting and no
experience living in a rural setting.

I hate nannies, in all their various forms.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 2:36 AM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > OK wrote:
>
> > Then you have heavy trucks trying to pass each other with a
> > speed delta of 1mph - - -
>
> It's not fun for the driver either.  And if you have never been in
> that seat, it is hard to understand.
>
>
> A common scenario viewed from the truck that is passing:
> Due to max power or nannies the top speed is limited.  This other
> truck is slower - sometimes just a bit, others times enough to be
> annoying.  He is doing his best.  Foot to the floor, figuring
> eventually the pass will be complete.  But to stay behind can mean
> a forced downshift - and possibly that downshift could mean 10 MPH
> at the top of the hill.  And the driver is usually paid by mile -
> not hour.  And so what if it gets in the way of a "4-wheeler"
> (cars and pickups with 4 wheels - as apposed to "big trucks" or
> "18"s) - they are just a nuisance to the pros anyway.
>
>
> Then the truck being passed:
> Due to max power or nannies the top speed is limited.  He is doing
> all he can to go as fast as he can.  Can't get a "running start"
> on the hill because of the top speed limiter.  And on this slope
> (a hill from the view behind the big steering wheel, but the cars
> may not even notice it's not flat) the truck is _just_ holding in
> this gear at this speed.  And someone is passing - slooowly.  He
> could slow down - but even a two second gap in the power will
> require a downshift.  And that could mean  10 MPH or so slower for
> the rest of the hill.  So if that fellow wants to pass that's fine
> - but don't expect him to "sacrifice" that much just to help out
> the "4-wheelers"
>
>
> Just a glimpse of the view from the perspective of the driver.
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was told ins would not pay anytime.   But ins pays for any other 
vaccine.   Makes no sense to me.   I guess insco figgers they don't have 
to pay for much other than an OC if you get shingles.   I hope all those 
insco executives get shingles bad.

Of course, the company probably pays for THEM to get the vaccine

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
November 27, 2018 at 3:53 AM
Been trying to get the vaccine but insurance won’t pay for it until 
you hit 60. I guess that means you don’t get it until then, right?


-D





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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Exactly!

I used to regularly drive a chunk of I-35 that was relatively straight 
for quite a few miles, then a gentle curve of 35-40 degrees or so, 
before it went the other way in a big s.


The first snow was quite amusing if you went through about 8 am.  There 
would be maybe 10-30 (2 WD) cars in the ditches before "SUVs" became 
popular.


When the majority of vehicles were high center of gravity 4WD "SUVs" a 
few years later, 25=50% of the vehicles were on the side or rolled 
over;  and with even a slight snow, there would be 50-100 in the 
ditches, sometimes so many that anyone sliding off was likely to hit one 
or more in the ditch.   Most of these people drove the same road to work 
every day, but never learned.


4wd has no more contact patches (between the tar and the road) than 
2wd.  In face, the 4wd usually has bigger/wider tires with not much 
change in vehicle weight, resulting in less lb/sq in pressure on those 4 
small contact patches.  Even though there is more surface area, the 
lighter pressure makes it easier to slide.   Think about it.  does an 
ice skater use snowshoes or a blade to make the contact with the ice 
surface?   could they gain more control with more contact area?


In fact the reverse is true: the slicker it gets, the smaller and 
narrower the tire should be.  This principle goes for ice and snow 
both.  You DON'T want to "float" on snow while driving.


The loose nut behind the wheel thinks "I have 4WD, I don't have to slow 
down on the snow/ice?   When they slide into the ditch at high speed, 
the high center of gravity of their "invincible SUV" results in 
rollovers where my SDL, had I been as stupid, would have stayed upright.


If you went though about 7:30 am, it was downright scary with idiots 
sliding off all around you and going in the ditch.   They'd go flying by 
, then loose it and slide left or right, bashing anything in the way

fmiser via Mercedes 
November 27, 2018 at 1:40 AM

Floyd wrote:

butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!



Randy wrote:

Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.


I don't think Floyd is saying 4WD is bad - just that the it seems
a lot of people seem to think. "The car has 4WD, so I don't have
to slow down, or drive more carefully just because there is snow.
The 4WD will means I can go anywhere at any speed!"

I find it interesting that during a recent snow here I had to
drive in it - and I saw about 6 vehicles in the ditch - 5 were
four-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive.  Since I _know_ the
mechanicals improve the performance is those conditions, it sure
suggests its the loose nut behind the wheel that is the source of
the problem.

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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Been trying to get the vaccine but insurance won’t pay for it until you hit 60. 
I guess that means you don’t get it until then, right?

-D


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Shingles is NO FUN!  Sympathy to your son, and encouragement to all to get 
> the vaccine if you can.
> 
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On November 26, 2018 2:56:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Let me tell you a story about diagnosis by computer.
>> 
>> My younger son (30 yrs old) was not feeling well about 3 weeks back.
>> His 
>> neck was sore and he had a rash from his hair down his forehead and his
>> 
>> one eye was bothering him. We saw him on Sunday afternoon and told him 
>> that he needed to go and get it checked out and he agreed. He stopped 
>> into the clinic he normally goes to near his home and asked to see the 
>> doctor that he has seen before. That doctor was out but there was 
>> someone else that he could see. He met with a lady doctor and told her 
>> his symptoms. He said she typed his symptoms into the computer and then
>> 
>> told him he had pulled a muscle in his neck and to take some Tylenol
>> and 
>> take it easy for a few days to permit it to heal.
>> 
>> He did not feel any better that evening and when he told us what the 
>> doctor said, we told him he needed to see someone else and get another 
>> opinion. He went to the clinic I normally go to and managed to see my 
>> doctor who was doing walk in visits that day. My doctor took one look
>> at 
>> him and told him he had shingles. He gave him a prescription for 
>> antibiotics intended to prevent it from getting any worse and sent him 
>> to an eye clinic here in the city as he was concerned about it being in
>> 
>> his eye. He then went to the eye clinic where the doctor looked at it 
>> and then sent him to one of the main hospitals here to see a specialist
>> 
>> as he was concerned that his cornea was lifting. He then went to the 
>> hospital and the doctor checked him out and told him it looked to be 
>> alright but gave him his card with his cell phone number and told him
>> to 
>> call if he thought his condition was getting any worse.
>> 
>> So, he managed to see 3 good doctors within about 5 hours including 2 
>> specialists but the first woman he saw did not do him any favours by 
>> asking her computer to diagnose his problem.
>> 
>> He has pretty well recovered from the shingles but was off work for a 
>> week and still has some residual affect from it.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> On 26/11/2018 7:41 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Your response to the need for coal also applies to the comment shown 
>>> below and I didn't see any way to generate the huge additional 
>>> electricity needed to recharge batteries.  I am totally baffled how 
>>> the writer claims huge additional electric demands, yet makes no 
>>> allowance to generate that power.  Or maybe I missed it?
>>> 
>>> You provided an awesome rebuttal!  I love the point by point format.
>>> 
>>> One more point needs to be addressed IMHO, he wrote:
>>> 
>>> *Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more
>> accurate
>>> than human nurses.*
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure Doctors do the diagnosing.  Nurses provide treatment 
>>> as directed by doctors and doctors order tests then interpret them.
>>> 
>>> Also, I predict self driving cars will fail in most of the country, 
>>> only succeeding in high density urban areas IMNSHO.
>>> 
>>> YMMV,
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> On 11/26/2018 2:40 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
 *Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.*
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Quote without comment

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

What they said. Shingles is dangerous and the vaccine works. Cross the border 
if you can't get it in Canada.
Gerry 

Max Dillon wrote:
> > Shingles is NO FUN!  Sympathy to your son, and encouragement to all to
> > get the vaccine if you can.
> 
> And there is a new, more effective shingles vaccine out, so even if you
> have had one (like I have), you should get another one.
> Craig

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