[MBZ] OT: vacuum cleaner

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You are absolutely right.  The bagless things are POS. They take a lot 
more time to empty/clean than a regular Hoover with a HEPA bag and they 
don't clean any better, if as well.  They are banking on the fact that 
many people will use it a few times and throw it out.  Then they can 
sell another machine.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 2, 2018 at 10:09 PM


I think the bag-less part is rather gimmicky, the clear container that
fills up with dirt makes you think you are really cleaning, really getting
something done, boy-oh-boy look at all that dirt and hair and stuff! But
then you've got to empty that container and wash out the parts, and if
you're OCD like me you end up wasting an extra twenty minutes cleaning the
darn container and special vortex-generating parts.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

While I have no experience with the Dyson "stick" things, I do like our
Dyson Ball vacuum.  Lightweight and quiet.  Look for a sale - the normal
prices are really too high for what you get.  Take a look at Dyson's
cordless, might be spendy but I'll bet it works pretty good.  We've got a
Swiffer vacuum for our hard floors (tile / wood) and I really like it but
the battery only lasts for about 1.5 rooms.  It's also very noisy.

I think the bag-less part is rather gimmicky, the clear container that
fills up with dirt makes you think you are really cleaning, really getting
something done, boy-oh-boy look at all that dirt and hair and stuff!  But
then you've got to empty that container and wash out the parts, and if
you're OCD like me you end up wasting an extra twenty minutes cleaning the
darn container and special vortex-generating parts.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is a definite non-starter.  I just want a lightweight upright that is
> cordless.
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:54 PM Dimitri via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Central vacs are nice but you still have to lug the long bulky hose
> around.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Beg to differ. For $200 you can have a Eufy that will not only pick up
> > all
> > > the stuff but it will do it at a scheduled time every day while you are
> > > elsewhere. What the robot lacks in power it will more than make up for
> in
> > > persistence. The area under it's time vs suction curve is huge because
> it
> > > makes the time factor - it vacuums more than you ever will.
> > >
> > > On Dec 2, 2018 5:01 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Had it in my boyhood home in the 60s and 70s and it was horrible, as it
> > was
> > > really inefficient. The Hoover Constellation was used instead.  I
> suspect
> > > it was either a crappy system or was poorly designed.
> > >
> > > Put it in the house we built in Wisconsin and it was wonderful.
> > Especially
> > > nice for a two story house.  The system would suck paint off the walls
> if
> > > you let it.
> > >
> > > I highly recommend.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Agree 100% once you've had central vac you'll never consider anything
> > > else.Curt
> > >>
> > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:   Yes:
> > >>
> > >> Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
> > >> tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough
> > power
> > >> to suck DC empty.
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I shook hands with George Wallace when he was running for president. This was 
after he had been shot and was in a wheelchair. 

--FT
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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I shook hands with two presidents, including George HW Bush at a receiving
> line at a diplomatic function in NYC in 1973.  Very decent guy.
> 
> 15 years earlier I met JFK in an elevator at my local NY public library
> when he was a US Senator. He was all alone and looked impressive in his
> navy blue cashmere overcoat (it was the winter of 1958)  We were staunch
> Democrats so my mother made a point of telling JFK how much we admired
> him.  He had an aura about him that even I as a kid recognized was special.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yep, I have driven by his house a few times. Nice but nothing
>> ostentatious.
>> 
>> My niece who worked for A Government Agency came to Houston once to brief
>> him on some issue. He asked her to stay afterwards to show her around his
>> office. She was there an hour or two and had a wonderful time as he showed
>> her photos and reminisced. At some point Bar called to ask him to pick
>> something up on the way home. He was very deferential to SWMBO!
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They lived in the same neighborhood as your attorney buddy.  He pointed
>> out their house to me. Wouldn’t have known who lived there unless someone
>> told you.  He said he ran into them around the neighborhood regularly, nice
>> people.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 A buddy and I were meeting for lunch one day at a pizza joint in
>> Houston. I was waiting outside on a bench for him and noticed a coupla
>> other guys waiting out front too. My buddy gets there, we order from the
>> counter and turn around to find a table. HW and Bar are at a table in back
>> with 2 girls, grandkids I guess. Brent Scowcroft was with them too. There
>> was another guy hanging at another table just keeping an eye on things.
 
 They finished their lunch and were leaving, walked by us and we said
>> hello to them, HW and Bar chatted a minute, very pleasant and nice.
 
 There were 2 black Suburbans outside, one for Bar and the girls and one
>> for HW and BS.
 
 I liked them.
 
 --R
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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> The Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola is free to visit, and WELL
>> worth the time.  It also houses a sizable research library for all things
>> related to Naval Aviation.  The Museum has the pilot's log book from on
>> George H.W. Bush, an ordinary Navy pilot.  He was the pilot of torpedo
>> bombers.  From my reading, it appears that torpedo bomber crews had the
>> shortest life expectancy of any Naval Aviator, at least until late in the
>> war, when Japanese ships became more scarce.   It took guts to fly into
>> fire that broght down most torpedo bombers before they returned to the
>> ship.  The last time he was shot down, he was the only survivor of his
>> group, according to the article linked below.
> 
> RIP President Bush
> 
> http://time.com/5468640/george-hw-bush-military-service-navy/
> 
> I say  he was an ordinary pilot because he did what most of his
>> generation did.   Went off to rid the world of murderous dictators.  That
>> was ordinary.  He was an ordinary pilot.  But what his generation did as a
>> whole, was extraordinary!  Being president makes him extraordinary.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The muzzle flash on my .357 snubby is awesome.  If I ever have to fire it in 
self defense at night I'm closing my eyes as I press the rigger.

> -Original Message-
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> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 8:07 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday
> 
> A lot of people don’t realize how much unburnt powder comes out of a gun
> barrel…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Some people wish they didn't go to the range on black Friday.
> >
> > https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CYPSB_1543761936
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Make a police report, with your sheriff. They need to know, you'll get more
support if you have evidence of vandalism.  If there is further criminal
activity in the future, you'll be able to build up pressure for the sheriff
to get involved.


On December 2, 2018 9:23:40 AM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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>
> Last night about 11:30pm I was in bed waiting for the lights to go out.
> Wife comes in as says there is a vehicle in our yard.
>
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Time for a new starter, methinks...
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:30 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
> also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car
> into and out of park and neutral while the switch is in the start position
> caused dimming of all the dash lights, implying a short in the system and
> also implying that the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 4:57 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>
> > Sounds legit to me.  If memory serves, high-draw items like starters tend
> > to have fusible links rather than fuses.   It sounds as though you're
> > getting power to the starter.  I'm gonna go along with the bad
> starter/bad
> > connection theory.   Have you tried to put 12VDC to the starter itself
> yet?
> >
> > -MMM-
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes I checked them and wiggled them all.
> > >
> > > But here's the thing: there is no fuse labeled "starter". I am not
> sure,
> > > given that all dash lights are on when key is turned on, that there is
> > any
> > > fuse failure that could produce this symptom. The key energizes a relay
> > > somewhere when turned to start position. If the switch has any power at
> > > all, I assume the fuse is good, whatever it is called.
> > >
> > > Is this correct?
> > >
> > > K
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, 8:58 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Have you CHECKED all the FUSES?
> > > >
> > > > -M. Mitchell Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

The thing I really like about our central vacuum is that it exhausts outside 
the house! It is a bit of a chore dealing with a hose, but I am OK with that. I 
had an issue where my powerhead clogged up with dog hair that got sucked up 
behind a napkin which got stuck in the pivot point on the powerhead just below 
where the wand connects, and I had to blow it all out from the top with the 
shop vac which was a bit ugly but did the trick!
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is a definite non-starter.  I just want a lightweight upright that is
> cordless.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:54 PM Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Central vacs are nice but you still have to lug the long bulky hose around.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Beg to differ. For $200 you can have a Eufy that will not only pick up
>> all
>>> the stuff but it will do it at a scheduled time every day while you are
>>> elsewhere. What the robot lacks in power it will more than make up for in
>>> persistence. The area under it's time vs suction curve is huge because it
>>> makes the time factor - it vacuums more than you ever will.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2018 5:01 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Had it in my boyhood home in the 60s and 70s and it was horrible, as it
>> was
>>> really inefficient. The Hoover Constellation was used instead.  I suspect
>>> it was either a crappy system or was poorly designed.
>>> 
>>> Put it in the house we built in Wisconsin and it was wonderful.
>> Especially
>>> nice for a two story house.  The system would suck paint off the walls if
>>> you let it.
>>> 
>>> I highly recommend.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Agree 100% once you've had central vac you'll never consider anything
>>> else.Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:   Yes:
 
 Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
 tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough
>> power
 to suck DC empty.
 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I've experienced starters with "dead spots" or stuck brushes.  Try whacking it 
a couple times with a hammer.

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> Wittnebel via Mercedes
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> To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td
> 
> Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car also, 
> and
> the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car into and out of
> park and neutral while the switch is in the start position caused dimming of 
> all
> the dash lights, implying a short in the system and also implying that the
> neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
> 
> 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There ya go!

https://www.amazon.com/-Cedar-Angler-Angle-Broom-Dust/dp/B001229JC0?psc=1=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-d-20=xm2=2025=165953=B001229JC0


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 2, 2018 at 9:23 PM
That is a definite non-starter. I just want a lightweight upright that is
cordless.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:54 PM Dimitri via Mercedes 


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Zoomba!Roomba Zumba!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 2, 2018 at 9:22 PM
Keep trying.

"Roomba"
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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Cool!  It is such a shame that now JFK would be thrown out of the D 
party, branded as a right wing dangerous radical, and vilified by the press.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 2, 2018 at 9:20 PM
I shook hands with two presidents, including George HW Bush at a receiving
line at a diplomatic function in NYC in 1973. Very decent guy.

15 years earlier I met JFK in an elevator at my local NY public library
when he was a US Senator. He was all alone and looked impressive in his
navy blue cashmere overcoat (it was the winter of 1958) We were staunch
Democrats so my mother made a point of telling JFK how much we admired
him. He had an aura about him that even I as a kid recognized was special.



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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If this is a diesel did you rule out the glow plug relay and fuse?

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> you need to jump the Big terminal (B+) at the solenoid to the little
> terminal on the side of the solenoid.   If that does nothing, then jump
> the big B+ one to the bottom one, direct to the windings.   If the first
> does not start the car, and the starter turns (but won't engage) with
> the latter, the solenoid is bad, but the starter may still need to be
> replaced.   My bet is still that the starter is bad.
>
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> > December 2, 2018 at 7:30 PM
> > Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
> > also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car
> > into and out of park and neutral while the switch is in the start
> position
> > caused dimming of all the dash lights, implying a short in the system and
> > also implying that the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That is a definite non-starter.  I just want a lightweight upright that is
cordless.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:54 PM Dimitri via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Central vacs are nice but you still have to lug the long bulky hose around.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Beg to differ. For $200 you can have a Eufy that will not only pick up
> all
> > the stuff but it will do it at a scheduled time every day while you are
> > elsewhere. What the robot lacks in power it will more than make up for in
> > persistence. The area under it's time vs suction curve is huge because it
> > makes the time factor - it vacuums more than you ever will.
> >
> > On Dec 2, 2018 5:01 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Had it in my boyhood home in the 60s and 70s and it was horrible, as it
> was
> > really inefficient. The Hoover Constellation was used instead.  I suspect
> > it was either a crappy system or was poorly designed.
> >
> > Put it in the house we built in Wisconsin and it was wonderful.
> Especially
> > nice for a two story house.  The system would suck paint off the walls if
> > you let it.
> >
> > I highly recommend.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Agree 100% once you've had central vac you'll never consider anything
> > else.Curt
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:   Yes:
> >>
> >> Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
> >> tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough
> power
> >> to suck DC empty.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Keep trying.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:53 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Roomba . . .
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 5:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Also known as an electric broom. I would love to have an appliance like
> > this for quick clean-ups, without slogging around with the vacuum
> cleaner.
> > Anybody have any recommendations?
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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

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I shook hands with two presidents, including George HW Bush at a receiving
line at a diplomatic function in NYC in 1973.  Very decent guy.

15 years earlier I met JFK in an elevator at my local NY public library
when he was a US Senator. He was all alone and looked impressive in his
navy blue cashmere overcoat (it was the winter of 1958)  We were staunch
Democrats so my mother made a point of telling JFK how much we admired
him.  He had an aura about him that even I as a kid recognized was special.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 7:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep, I have driven by his house a few times. Nice but nothing
> ostentatious.
>
> My niece who worked for A Government Agency came to Houston once to brief
> him on some issue. He asked her to stay afterwards to show her around his
> office. She was there an hour or two and had a wonderful time as he showed
> her photos and reminisced. At some point Bar called to ask him to pick
> something up on the way home. He was very deferential to SWMBO!
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > They lived in the same neighborhood as your attorney buddy.  He pointed
> out their house to me. Wouldn’t have known who lived there unless someone
> told you.  He said he ran into them around the neighborhood regularly, nice
> people.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A buddy and I were meeting for lunch one day at a pizza joint in
> Houston. I was waiting outside on a bench for him and noticed a coupla
> other guys waiting out front too. My buddy gets there, we order from the
> counter and turn around to find a table. HW and Bar are at a table in back
> with 2 girls, grandkids I guess. Brent Scowcroft was with them too. There
> was another guy hanging at another table just keeping an eye on things.
> >>
> >> They finished their lunch and were leaving, walked by us and we said
> hello to them, HW and Bar chatted a minute, very pleasant and nice.
> >>
> >> There were 2 black Suburbans outside, one for Bar and the girls and one
> for HW and BS.
> >>
> >> I liked them.
> >>
> >> --R
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola is free to visit, and WELL
> worth the time.  It also houses a sizable research library for all things
> related to Naval Aviation.  The Museum has the pilot's log book from on
> George H.W. Bush, an ordinary Navy pilot.  He was the pilot of torpedo
> bombers.  From my reading, it appears that torpedo bomber crews had the
> shortest life expectancy of any Naval Aviator, at least until late in the
> war, when Japanese ships became more scarce.   It took guts to fly into
> fire that broght down most torpedo bombers before they returned to the
> ship.  The last time he was shot down, he was the only survivor of his
> group, according to the article linked below.
> >>>
> >>> RIP President Bush
> >>>
> >>> http://time.com/5468640/george-hw-bush-military-service-navy/
> >>>
> >>> I say  he was an ordinary pilot because he did what most of his
> generation did.   Went off to rid the world of murderous dictators.  That
> was ordinary.  He was an ordinary pilot.  But what his generation did as a
> whole, was extraordinary!  Being president makes him extraordinary.
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

you need to jump the Big terminal (B+) at the solenoid to the little 
terminal on the side of the solenoid.   If that does nothing, then jump 
the big B+ one to the bottom one, direct to the windings.   If the first 
does not start the car, and the starter turns (but won't engage) with 
the latter, the solenoid is bad, but the starter may still need to be 
replaced.   My bet is still that the starter is bad.



Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
December 2, 2018 at 7:30 PM
Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car
into and out of park and neutral while the switch is in the start position
caused dimming of all the dash lights, implying a short in the system and
also implying that the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Central vacs are nice but you still have to lug the long bulky hose around.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Beg to differ. For $200 you can have a Eufy that will not only pick up all
> the stuff but it will do it at a scheduled time every day while you are
> elsewhere. What the robot lacks in power it will more than make up for in
> persistence. The area under it's time vs suction curve is huge because it
> makes the time factor - it vacuums more than you ever will.
> 
> On Dec 2, 2018 5:01 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> Had it in my boyhood home in the 60s and 70s and it was horrible, as it was
> really inefficient. The Hoover Constellation was used instead.  I suspect
> it was either a crappy system or was poorly designed.
> 
> Put it in the house we built in Wisconsin and it was wonderful.  Especially
> nice for a two story house.  The system would suck paint off the walls if
> you let it.
> 
> I highly recommend.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Agree 100% once you've had central vac you'll never consider anything
> else.Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
> wrote:   Yes:
>> 
>> Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
>> tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough power
>> to suck DC empty.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Roomba . . .

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> Also known as an electric broom. I would love to have an appliance like
> this for quick clean-ups, without slogging around with the vacuum cleaner.
> Anybody have any recommendations?
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

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Good thought but jumping did not help
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car
into and out of park and neutral while the switch is in the start position
caused dimming of all the dash lights, implying a short in the system and
also implying that the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 4:57 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
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> Sounds legit to me.  If memory serves, high-draw items like starters tend
> to have fusible links rather than fuses.   It sounds as though you're
> getting power to the starter.  I'm gonna go along with the bad starter/bad
> connection theory.   Have you tried to put 12VDC to the starter itself yet?
>
> -MMM-
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes I checked them and wiggled them all.
> >
> > But here's the thing: there is no fuse labeled "starter". I am not sure,
> > given that all dash lights are on when key is turned on, that there is
> any
> > fuse failure that could produce this symptom. The key energizes a relay
> > somewhere when turned to start position. If the switch has any power at
> > all, I assume the fuse is good, whatever it is called.
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > K
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, 8:58 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> >
> > > Have you CHECKED all the FUSES?
> > >
> > > -M. Mitchell Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

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Reverse goes out.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 3:12 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> It’s 4 matic that does not have the issue
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don’t think the wagons suffered from the spring perch issue.  Or maybe
> it was just the 4Matic wagons, I’m not sure.  Someone please correct me if
> I’m wrong, but I never encountered it when I was looking for one.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Spring perch season (if it's 2wd)?
> >> The other common maladies (transmission electronics, climate control
> confusion, dead display on climate control or radio) are mostly easy swaps.
> >>
> >> Mitch.
> >>
> >>> On December 2, 2018 at 4:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What's the biggest red flag with these gas engine wagons? What's the
> worst
> >>> case scenario for one of these cars that currently drives okay and has
> no
> >>> obvious issues?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Beg to differ. For $200 you can have a Eufy that will not only pick up all
the stuff but it will do it at a scheduled time every day while you are
elsewhere. What the robot lacks in power it will more than make up for in
persistence. The area under it's time vs suction curve is huge because it
makes the time factor - it vacuums more than you ever will.

On Dec 2, 2018 5:01 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Had it in my boyhood home in the 60s and 70s and it was horrible, as it was
really inefficient. The Hoover Constellation was used instead.  I suspect
it was either a crappy system or was poorly designed.

Put it in the house we built in Wisconsin and it was wonderful.  Especially
nice for a two story house.  The system would suck paint off the walls if
you let it.

I highly recommend.

-D

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Agree 100% once you've had central vac you'll never consider anything
else.Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>  On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
wrote:   Yes:
>
> Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
> tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough power
> to suck DC empty.
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

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A lot of people don’t realize how much unburnt powder comes out of a gun barrel…

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> 
> Some people wish they didn't go to the range on black Friday. 
> 
> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CYPSB_1543761936
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[MBZ] OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Had it in my boyhood home in the 60s and 70s and it was horrible, as it was 
really inefficient. The Hoover Constellation was used instead.  I suspect it 
was either a crappy system or was poorly designed.

Put it in the house we built in Wisconsin and it was wonderful.  Especially 
nice for a two story house.  The system would suck paint off the walls if you 
let it.

I highly recommend.

-D

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree 100% once you've had central vac you'll never consider anything 
> else.Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:   Yes:
> 
> Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
> tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough power
> to suck DC empty.
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[MBZ] Herr Lamb

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If anyone has a direct email address for Herr Lamb, please sed it to me 
OFFLIST  Thanks!


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Agree 100% once you've had central vac you'll never consider anything else.Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:   Yes:

Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough power
to suck DC empty.

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> Also known as an electric broom. I would love to have an appliance like
> this for quick clean-ups, without slogging around with the vacuum cleaner.
> Anybody have any recommendations?
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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

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Yep, I have driven by his house a few times. Nice but nothing ostentatious. 

My niece who worked for A Government Agency came to Houston once to brief him 
on some issue. He asked her to stay afterwards to show her around his office. 
She was there an hour or two and had a wonderful time as he showed her photos 
and reminisced. At some point Bar called to ask him to pick something up on the 
way home. He was very deferential to SWMBO!

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They lived in the same neighborhood as your attorney buddy.  He pointed out 
> their house to me. Wouldn’t have known who lived there unless someone told 
> you.  He said he ran into them around the neighborhood regularly, nice people.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A buddy and I were meeting for lunch one day at a pizza joint in Houston. I 
>> was waiting outside on a bench for him and noticed a coupla other guys 
>> waiting out front too. My buddy gets there, we order from the counter and 
>> turn around to find a table. HW and Bar are at a table in back with 2 girls, 
>> grandkids I guess. Brent Scowcroft was with them too. There was another guy 
>> hanging at another table just keeping an eye on things. 
>> 
>> They finished their lunch and were leaving, walked by us and we said hello 
>> to them, HW and Bar chatted a minute, very pleasant and nice. 
>> 
>> There were 2 black Suburbans outside, one for Bar and the girls and one for 
>> HW and BS. 
>> 
>> I liked them. 
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola is free to visit, and WELL worth the 
>>> time.  It also houses a sizable research library for all things related to 
>>> Naval Aviation.  The Museum has the pilot's log book from on George H.W. 
>>> Bush, an ordinary Navy pilot.  He was the pilot of torpedo bombers.  From 
>>> my reading, it appears that torpedo bomber crews had the shortest life 
>>> expectancy of any Naval Aviator, at least until late in the war, when 
>>> Japanese ships became more scarce.   It took guts to fly into fire that 
>>> broght down most torpedo bombers before they returned to the ship.  The 
>>> last time he was shot down, he was the only survivor of his group, 
>>> according to the article linked below.
>>> 
>>> RIP President Bush
>>> 
>>> http://time.com/5468640/george-hw-bush-military-service-navy/
>>> 
>>> I say  he was an ordinary pilot because he did what most of his generation 
>>> did.   Went off to rid the world of murderous dictators.  That was 
>>> ordinary.  He was an ordinary pilot.  But what his generation did as a 
>>> whole, was extraordinary!  Being president makes him extraordinary.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Yes:

Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough power
to suck DC empty.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Also known as an electric broom. I would love to have an appliance like
> this for quick clean-ups, without slogging around with the vacuum cleaner.
> Anybody have any recommendations?
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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice that the klintons left the white house the same way, Huh?


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 2, 2018 at 5:32 PM
NPR had a clip of Clinton reading the note HW Bush left for him, very 
classy.


Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

NPR had a clip of Clinton reading the note HW Bush left for him, very classy.

Curt

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  On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Peter Frederick via 
Mercedes wrote:   I didn't always agree with Bush 41, 
but I've never thought he was anything but classy.  Hard not to respect a WWII 
Navy pilot.
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Also known as an electric broom. I would love to have an appliance like
this for quick clean-ups, without slogging around with the vacuum cleaner.
Anybody have any recommendations?
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s 4 matic that does not have the issue 

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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t think the wagons suffered from the spring perch issue.  Or maybe it 
> was just the 4Matic wagons, I’m not sure.  Someone please correct me if I’m 
> wrong, but I never encountered it when I was looking for one.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Spring perch season (if it's 2wd)?
>> The other common maladies (transmission electronics, climate control 
>> confusion, dead display on climate control or radio) are mostly easy swaps.
>> 
>> Mitch. 
>> 
>>> On December 2, 2018 at 4:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What's the biggest red flag with these gas engine wagons? What's the worst
>>> case scenario for one of these cars that currently drives okay and has no
>>> obvious issues?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The best way to spend black Friday

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Some people wish they didn't go to the range on black Friday. 

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CYPSB_1543761936

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t think the wagons suffered from the spring perch issue.  Or maybe it was 
just the 4Matic wagons, I’m not sure.  Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, 
but I never encountered it when I was looking for one.

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Spring perch season (if it's 2wd)?
> The other common maladies (transmission electronics, climate control 
> confusion, dead display on climate control or radio) are mostly easy swaps.
> 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On December 2, 2018 at 4:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What's the biggest red flag with these gas engine wagons? What's the worst
>> case scenario for one of these cars that currently drives okay and has no
>> obvious issues?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Spring perch season (if it's 2wd)?
The other common maladies (transmission electronics, climate control confusion, 
dead display on climate control or radio) are mostly easy swaps.

Mitch. 

> On December 2, 2018 at 4:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What's the biggest red flag with these gas engine wagons? What's the worst
> case scenario for one of these cars that currently drives okay and has no
> obvious issues?
>

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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Aviation (even military aviation) is so safe now that it's hard to understand 
how risky it was during WWII.  At my dad's funeral (he was 75), I learned he 
was the only member of his cadet class to survive the war.  He flew P-47s in 
China.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 3:54 PM
> To: Mercedes_Discussion_List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [MBZ] Pensacola
> 
> The Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola is free to visit, and WELL worth the
> time.  It also houses a sizable research library for all things related to 
> Naval
> Aviation.  The Museum has the pilot's log book from on George H.W. Bush, an
> ordinary Navy pilot.  He was the pilot of torpedo bombers.  From my reading, 
> it
> appears that torpedo bomber crews had the shortest life expectancy of any
> Naval Aviator, at least until late in
> the war, when Japanese ships became more scarce.   It took guts to fly
> into fire that broght down most torpedo bombers before they returned to the
> ship.  The last time he was shot down, he was the only survivor of his group,
> according to the article linked below.
> 
> RIP President Bush
> 
> http://time.com/5468640/george-hw-bush-military-service-navy/
> 
> I say  he was an ordinary pilot because he did what most of his
> generation did.   Went off to rid the world of murderous dictators.
> That was ordinary.  He was an ordinary pilot.  But what his generation did as 
> a
> whole, was extraordinary!  Being president makes him extraordinary.
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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Somehow my grandmother was friends of George and Barbara. Barbara 
visited my grandmothers classroom back in the 80's in Tulsa.  She taught 
special ed at a childrens hospital and help developed a lot of the 
programs that were used here.


On 12/2/2018 2:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
The Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola is free to visit, and WELL 
worth the time.  It also houses a sizable research library for all 
things related to Naval Aviation.  The Museum has the pilot's log book 
from on George H.W. Bush, an ordinary Navy pilot.  He was the pilot of 
torpedo bombers.  From my reading, it appears that torpedo bomber 
crews had the shortest life expectancy of any Naval Aviator, at least 
until late in the war, when Japanese ships became more scarce.   It 
took guts to fly into fire that broght down most torpedo bombers 
before they returned to the ship.  The last time he was shot down, he 
was the only survivor of his group, according to the article linked 
below.


RIP President Bush

http://time.com/5468640/george-hw-bush-military-service-navy/

I say  he was an ordinary pilot because he did what most of his 
generation did.   Went off to rid the world of murderous dictators.  
That was ordinary.  He was an ordinary pilot.  But what his generation 
did as a whole, was extraordinary!  Being president makes him 
extraordinary.


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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I didn't always agree with Bush 41, but I've never thought he was anything but 
classy.  Hard not to respect a WWII Navy pilot.
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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They lived in the same neighborhood as your attorney buddy.  He pointed out 
their house to me. Wouldn’t have known who lived there unless someone told you. 
 He said he ran into them around the neighborhood regularly, nice people.

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A buddy and I were meeting for lunch one day at a pizza joint in Houston. I 
> was waiting outside on a bench for him and noticed a coupla other guys 
> waiting out front too. My buddy gets there, we order from the counter and 
> turn around to find a table. HW and Bar are at a table in back with 2 girls, 
> grandkids I guess. Brent Scowcroft was with them too. There was another guy 
> hanging at another table just keeping an eye on things. 
> 
> They finished their lunch and were leaving, walked by us and we said hello to 
> them, HW and Bar chatted a minute, very pleasant and nice. 
> 
> There were 2 black Suburbans outside, one for Bar and the girls and one for 
> HW and BS. 
> 
> I liked them. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola is free to visit, and WELL worth the 
>> time.  It also houses a sizable research library for all things related to 
>> Naval Aviation.  The Museum has the pilot's log book from on George H.W. 
>> Bush, an ordinary Navy pilot.  He was the pilot of torpedo bombers.  From my 
>> reading, it appears that torpedo bomber crews had the shortest life 
>> expectancy of any Naval Aviator, at least until late in the war, when 
>> Japanese ships became more scarce.   It took guts to fly into fire that 
>> broght down most torpedo bombers before they returned to the ship.  The last 
>> time he was shot down, he was the only survivor of his group, according to 
>> the article linked below.
>> 
>> RIP President Bush
>> 
>> http://time.com/5468640/george-hw-bush-military-service-navy/
>> 
>> I say  he was an ordinary pilot because he did what most of his generation 
>> did.   Went off to rid the world of murderous dictators.  That was ordinary. 
>>  He was an ordinary pilot.  But what his generation did as a whole, was 
>> extraordinary!  Being president makes him extraordinary.
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I went to HF and got a couple of their solar lights. I was going to install 
them on the shop but I’m going to need some self taping sheet metal screws, of 
which I could not find any so that will have to wait until I can get. Heck I 
guess I could have stuck one up on the light pole though. 

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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get a couple of those bright motion-activated solar lights and nail them
> to the lamp post. That'll scare anybody away.
> 
> On Dec 2, 2018 3:48 PM, "Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 5W solid state purple laser. Why mess around?
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Strongly suggest you add an ultra high intensity flashlight to your "go
>>> armed into the night" kit.
>>> 
>>> One that is so bright it blinds who ever you point it at... The
>>> intimidation factor is worthwhile, plus, should you see the viable legal
>>> need to defend yourself, you have a better sight picture..
>>> 
>>> Something in the 1,000,000 candle power range or more...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:20 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped
 off? No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in
 apprehending the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to
>> movement
 too. Great for seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What's the biggest red flag with these gas engine wagons? What's the worst
case scenario for one of these cars that currently drives okay and has no
obvious issues?

On Dec 2, 2018 3:53 PM, "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:42 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/99-e320-wagon/6750639280.html
>
> Same car on fakebook
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/499253967230458/
>

Pretty much the sort of thing I have in mind.  Thanks!
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 Get a couple of those bright motion-activated solar lights and nail them
to the lamp post. That'll scare anybody away.

On Dec 2, 2018 3:48 PM, "Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  5W solid state purple laser. Why mess around?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Strongly suggest you add an ultra high intensity flashlight to your "go
> > armed into the night" kit.
> >
> > One that is so bright it blinds who ever you point it at... The
> > intimidation factor is worthwhile, plus, should you see the viable legal
> > need to defend yourself, you have a better sight picture..
> >
> > Something in the 1,000,000 candle power range or more...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:20 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped
> >> off? No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in
> >> apprehending the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to
> movement
> >> too. Great for seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Pensacola

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A buddy and I were meeting for lunch one day at a pizza joint in Houston. I was 
waiting outside on a bench for him and noticed a coupla other guys waiting out 
front too. My buddy gets there, we order from the counter and turn around to 
find a table. HW and Bar are at a table in back with 2 girls, grandkids I 
guess. Brent Scowcroft was with them too. There was another guy hanging at 
another table just keeping an eye on things. 

They finished their lunch and were leaving, walked by us and we said hello to 
them, HW and Bar chatted a minute, very pleasant and nice. 

There were 2 black Suburbans outside, one for Bar and the girls and one for HW 
and BS. 

I liked them. 

--R
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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola is free to visit, and WELL worth the 
> time.  It also houses a sizable research library for all things related to 
> Naval Aviation.  The Museum has the pilot's log book from on George H.W. 
> Bush, an ordinary Navy pilot.  He was the pilot of torpedo bombers.  From my 
> reading, it appears that torpedo bomber crews had the shortest life 
> expectancy of any Naval Aviator, at least until late in the war, when 
> Japanese ships became more scarce.   It took guts to fly into fire that 
> broght down most torpedo bombers before they returned to the ship.  The last 
> time he was shot down, he was the only survivor of his group, according to 
> the article linked below.
> 
> RIP President Bush
> 
> http://time.com/5468640/george-hw-bush-military-service-navy/
> 
> I say  he was an ordinary pilot because he did what most of his generation 
> did.   Went off to rid the world of murderous dictators.  That was ordinary.  
> He was an ordinary pilot.  But what his generation did as a whole, was 
> extraordinary!  Being president makes him extraordinary.
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[MBZ] Pensacola

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola is free to visit, and WELL worth 
the time.  It also houses a sizable research library for all things 
related to Naval Aviation.  The Museum has the pilot's log book from on 
George H.W. Bush, an ordinary Navy pilot.  He was the pilot of torpedo 
bombers.  From my reading, it appears that torpedo bomber crews had the 
shortest life expectancy of any Naval Aviator, at least until late in 
the war, when Japanese ships became more scarce.   It took guts to fly 
into fire that broght down most torpedo bombers before they returned to 
the ship.  The last time he was shot down, he was the only survivor of 
his group, according to the article linked below.


RIP President Bush

http://time.com/5468640/george-hw-bush-military-service-navy/

I say  he was an ordinary pilot because he did what most of his 
generation did.   Went off to rid the world of murderous dictators.  
That was ordinary.  He was an ordinary pilot.  But what his generation 
did as a whole, was extraordinary!  Being president makes him extraordinary.


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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

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On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:42 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/99-e320-wagon/6750639280.html
>
> Same car on fakebook
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/499253967230458/
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Pretty much the sort of thing I have in mind.  Thanks!
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

 5W solid state purple laser. Why mess around?

--FT
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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Strongly suggest you add an ultra high intensity flashlight to your "go
> armed into the night" kit.
> 
> One that is so bright it blinds who ever you point it at... The
> intimidation factor is worthwhile, plus, should you see the viable legal
> need to defend yourself, you have a better sight picture..
> 
> Something in the 1,000,000 candle power range or more...
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:20 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped
>> off? No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in
>> apprehending the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to movement
>> too. Great for seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

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https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/01-mercedes-wagon/6758490073.html

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/99-e320-wagon/6750639280.html

Same car on fakebook 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/499253967230458/

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>  wrote:
> 
> Finally am in (somewhat limited) funds,  and I'm in the market for
> something like this:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/181537042756723
> 
> Anyone?  Bueller?   Bueller?  K'leb?
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

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> M. Mitchell Marshall! Good one’
>

^.^  Thankee!  I figured a tribute to the late Doktor Booth was in order.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Trail camera(s)  Hide em where the perps won't  see em.

One of our neighbors had a great video of a guy walking up and stealing 
the camera!


Or some of these: https://evertek.com/Product/DCS-5025L-R I have a 
wholesale account there and can get them for you for $34, which I think 
is about half price.  all you need is power to it and a wireless 
network.  It will send reatime notifications to your spyFone. (android) 
or ifone.So ya kin be out in Burkburnett TX takin pitchurs at some 
carlot and see if someone drives in your yard.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM
Last night about 11:30pm I was in bed waiting for the lights to go 
out.  Wife comes in as says there is a vehicle in our yard.  I quickly 
get dressed, grab a .45 and head out the door.  I flip on the porch 
light and garage lights.  By the time I got out there they were at the 
street attempting to pull out.  They then pull out and then sort of 
stopped in the road just past our main driveway.  I could hear what 
sounded like people yelling at each other I suppose.  They then left.  
Upon checking the area, they had rutted up the yard from our secondary 
"driveway" that is over by the shop.  By driveway it is an entrance 
over the ditch but is just grass on our side.  We had a big storm the 
day before so the ground was very soft over there.


At first I thought maybe they were so morons who were trying to turn 
around over there and maybe got stuck.  The wife said it sounds like 
teens but from what I heard I am not sure if they were teens or not.  
The road out there is pitch black at night and I would think it would 
have been very difficult to find this 2nd driveway of ours in the dark 
unless you knew it was there.  In fact it is not really all that 
accessible because when the county comes by and plows the road, they 
plow often cuts into this driveway on the road side causing a pretty 
good size hump to get up in it.  Wife thinks they had cased the place 
before because otherwise how would they have been able to find that 
driveway.


Whatever the vehicles was, I thought it was some sort of pickup with a 
camper shell maybe, wife said it was a small SUV but in any case the 
back glass was up on it the whole time.  Nothing seems to have been 
broken into or stolen as far as I can tell but I will be back out in a 
little bit to check.


I have several cars parked over by the shop/barn awaiting okie 
attention.  I have noticed hood ornaments missing on cars in the past 
but could never really remember if they were missing when the cars 
were parked there or not.  I need to go back and look at some old 
photos of a couple of these cars because I am pretty sure they did 
have the ornaments in place.  I did not know this was still a thing to 
steal them.


Anyway, when we first moved out here there was/is a street light on a 
power pole out in the middle of the yard.  With this on at night, I 
can pretty much see what is going on out back and over toward the 
barn/shop area from inside the house.  This was one of those deals 
that you paid $6 a month on your power bill for and it was maintained 
by them.  About 2-3 years ago I had the power company remove it from 
my account and they were supposed to have a crew remove it, but they 
never did.  About 6-8 months ago I noticed the light getting dim till 
now it just dimly glows and does not put off any light.  I like it 
because this is the country and I like it dark so I can see the stars 
or what not.  On the other hand I did like the light so I could keep 
an eye on things. I have been meaning to install some motion activated 
flood lights at various points around the properly, like a couple off 
the shop, maybe one off the barn, some on the back of the house etc.  
I am now wondering if I should just have the street light added back 
to my account and have the power company replace it.  I really hate 
not being able to turn it off when I want.


I also need to install a deadbolt on the shop door.  It currently just 
has the handle lock.  I have locked my keys in there before and I am 
able to get the door open with a flathead screw driver in about 5 
minutes or less so I am sure a thief could do the same.  I guess this 
is the project for today.



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[MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Finally am in (somewhat limited) funds,  and I'm in the market for
something like this:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/181537042756723

Anyone?  Bueller?   Bueller?  K'leb?

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

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Have you tried to jump start?

On Dec 2, 2018 10:48 AM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Yes, might simply be a really low battery, worth checking.
> --
> Max Dillon
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> '95 E300
>
> On December 2, 2018 10:35:45 AM EST, tyee165 via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Did you ever check the battery voltage? Given that the car sat for a
> >bit while you worked on it and then  it sounds like you did not run it
> >for long after you started it, maybe the battery is down and needs to
> >be charged.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

M. Mitchell Marshall! Good one’
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:46 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, might simply be a really low battery, worth checking.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
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> '95 E300
> 
>> On December 2, 2018 10:35:45 AM EST, tyee165 via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Did you ever check the battery voltage? Given that the car sat for a
>> bit while you worked on it and then  it sounds like you did not run it
>> for long after you started it, maybe the battery is down and needs to
>> be charged.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

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> On December 2, 2018 at 12:48 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Correct, criminals hate the idea that they've caused a light to come on and 
> they _might_ be visible.

They left in a hurry when Kaleb turned on a light to go looking for them. 
The bad news is not all meth heads run away, some will hang around and attack 
you Trayvon style. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

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Correct, criminals hate the idea that they've caused a light to come on and 
they _might_ be visible.
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On December 2, 2018 12:31:17 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>It’s not so much the brightness of the lights but that something lights
>up when people go wandering around uninvited.  That’s often enough to
>scare them off.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

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Screw it im going to HF to get 2-3 of them to try out. If they work good I may 
get more. 

I also need to replace the wall lights that are mounted on either side of the 
garage on the front of the house. Debating on going motion on those or just the 
ones that turn on at dusk.

Then I need to install a dead bolt on the shop which is going to require 
drilling the holes for it. I do not currently own any hole saws so would have 
to get that as well.

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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s not so much the brightness of the lights but that something lights up 
> when people go wandering around uninvited.  That’s often enough to scare them 
> off.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes I need to do that. As large of an area as I have to cover I am not sure 
>> the led solar lights will be bright enough. Even though these are much 
>> easier to install I keep going back to good old fashioned flood lights. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped 
>>> off? No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in 
>>> apprehending the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to movement 
>>> too. Great for seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

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It’s not so much the brightness of the lights but that something lights up when 
people go wandering around uninvited.  That’s often enough to scare them off.

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes I need to do that. As large of an area as I have to cover I am not sure 
> the led solar lights will be bright enough. Even though these are much easier 
> to install I keep going back to good old fashioned flood lights. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped off? 
>> No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in 
>> apprehending the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to movement 
>> too. Great for seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have cameras around my house.  We’re not in an area where there’s any crime 
to speak of, but our neighbors across the street have a rental that was vacant 
for a few weeks and someone went poking around trying to break into it, so I 
put some cameras up to make the wife happy.  I used some really cheap DLink 
IP/WiFi cameras I got for like $40/each.  They email me any time there’s 
activity in their area of vision, which isn’t often.  They cover the driveway 
and the front door, so I see when I’m getting deliveries.

I didn’t make any effort to disguise them, so if someone comes trolling around 
they’ll know their on camera.

We had an incident a few months ago where a couple of urban folks went walking 
around the neighborhood early in the morning trying car doors and stealing 
stuff left inside of the unlocked cars.  While I certainly don’t condone this 
behavior, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the people who leave their cars 
unlocked outside or leave anything of value in them.

I was able to follow these fine folks as they walked up our drive and tried the 
doors on the car in the driveway.  They obviously saw the cameras (outdoor 
lights were on as well) because they pulled their hoodies down over their 
faces.  You could see them walking up the street - one in the middle with a 
large bag, no doubt holding their “take”, the other two walking down each side 
of the street looking for cars to check.

I wish the 400E had been out there at the time.  The passenger door alarm 
switch was bad and if you pulled on the door handle the door would open and the 
alarm would go off…

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped off? 
> No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in apprehending 
> the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to movement too. Great for 
> seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

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Strongly suggest you add an ultra high intensity flashlight to your "go
armed into the night" kit.

One that is so bright it blinds who ever you point it at... The
intimidation factor is worthwhile, plus, should you see the viable legal
need to defend yourself, you have a better sight picture..

Something in the 1,000,000 candle power range or more...



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> Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped
> off? No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in
> apprehending the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to movement
> too. Great for seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

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Yes I need to do that. As large of an area as I have to cover I am not sure the 
led solar lights will be bright enough. Even though these are much easier to 
install I keep going back to good old fashioned flood lights. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped off? 
> No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in apprehending 
> the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to movement too. Great for 
> seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Hi definition security cameras. Will it prevent you from getting ripped off? 
No. There will be video evidence though, and that will assist in apprehending 
the perpetrators. You can set them up to alert you to movement too. Great for 
seeing when your family and friends are coming and going.


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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It's probably a good way to get your house burned down. A gate across that 
opening would be a better choice.

Curt

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  On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Max Dillon via 
Mercedes wrote:   I'd be worried about stepping on that 
spiked board.  Maybe put up signs that face your property to warn / remind?  
From the road the signs can't be seen. I'm thinking that's a bad idea, 
liability for injuries etc.  
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On December 2, 2018 10:38:43 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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>
>How often do you drive there?
>If you spike a board and put it where it will be driven over, can you
>and yours remember 100% not to go there without moving the spike board
>out of the way first?
>Do you have any dogs? If I spiked my yard, Phoebe would be sure to run
>over it and rip her paw up. 
>
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I'd be worried about stepping on that spiked board.  Maybe put up signs that 
face your property to warn / remind?  From the road the signs can't be seen. 
I'm thinking that's a bad idea, liability for injuries etc.  
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On December 2, 2018 10:38:43 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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>
>How often do you drive there?
>If you spike a board and put it where it will be driven over, can you
>and yours remember 100% not to go there without moving the spike board
>out of the way first?
>Do you have any dogs? If I spiked my yard, Phoebe would be sure to run
>over it and rip her paw up. 
>
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Make a police report, with your sheriff.  They need to know, you'll get more 
support if you have evidence of vandalism.
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On December 2, 2018 9:23:40 AM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Last night about 11:30pm I was in bed waiting for the lights to go
>out.  
>Wife comes in as says there is a vehicle in our yard.  I quickly get 
>dressed, grab a .45 and head out the door.  I flip on the porch light 
>and garage lights.  By the time I got out there they were at the street
>
>attempting to pull out.  They then pull out and then sort of stopped in
>
>the road just past our main driveway.  I could hear what sounded like 
>people yelling at each other I suppose.  They then left.  Upon checking
>
>the area, they had rutted up the yard from our secondary "driveway"
>that 
>is over by the shop.  By driveway it is an entrance over the ditch but 
>is just grass on our side.  We had a big storm the day before so the 
>ground was very soft over there.
>
>At first I thought maybe they were so morons who were trying to turn 
>around over there and maybe got stuck.  The wife said it sounds like 
>teens but from what I heard I am not sure if they were teens or not.  
>The road out there is pitch black at night and I would think it would 
>have been very difficult to find this 2nd driveway of ours in the dark 
>unless you knew it was there.  In fact it is not really all that 
>accessible because when the county comes by and plows the road, they 
>plow often cuts into this driveway on the road side causing a pretty 
>good size hump to get up in it.  Wife thinks they had cased the place 
>before because otherwise how would they have been able to find that 
>driveway.
>
>Whatever the vehicles was, I thought it was some sort of pickup with a 
>camper shell maybe, wife said it was a small SUV but in any case the 
>back glass was up on it the whole time.  Nothing seems to have been 
>broken into or stolen as far as I can tell but I will be back out in a 
>little bit to check.
>
>I have several cars parked over by the shop/barn awaiting okie 
>attention.  I have noticed hood ornaments missing on cars in the past 
>but could never really remember if they were missing when the cars were
>
>parked there or not.  I need to go back and look at some old photos of
>a 
>couple of these cars because I am pretty sure they did have the 
>ornaments in place.  I did not know this was still a thing to steal
>them.
>
>Anyway, when we first moved out here there was/is a street light on a 
>power pole out in the middle of the yard.  With this on at night, I can
>
>pretty much see what is going on out back and over toward the barn/shop
>
>area from inside the house.  This was one of those deals that you paid 
>$6 a month on your power bill for and it was maintained by them.  About
>
>2-3 years ago I had the power company remove it from my account and
>they 
>were supposed to have a crew remove it, but they never did.  About 6-8 
>months ago I noticed the light getting dim till now it just dimly glows
>
>and does not put off any light.  I like it because this is the country 
>and I like it dark so I can see the stars or what not.  On the other 
>hand I did like the light so I could keep an eye on things. I have been
>
>meaning to install some motion activated flood lights at various points
>
>around the properly, like a couple off the shop, maybe one off the
>barn, 
>some on the back of the house etc.  I am now wondering if I should just
>
>have the street light added back to my account and have the power 
>company replace it.  I really hate not being able to turn it off when I
>
>want.
>
>I also need to install a deadbolt on the shop door.  It currently just 
>has the handle lock.  I have locked my keys in there before and I am 
>able to get the door open with a flathead screw driver in about 5 
>minutes or less so I am sure a thief could do the same.  I guess this
>is 
>the project for today.
>
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Re: [MBZ] McDonald's

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The Cinco Seniors are also a good choice for a quick chain meal, I get the 
little bacon burger, the regular burgers are too much. I like that they put an 
extra measure of fries in the bag too.

Curt

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  On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 5:47 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   McDonald’s and BK are across the 
street from each other near my house.  The McDonald’s has a steady flow of 
customers through it 24/7.  The BK is like a morgue.  You can pull up at “peak” 
times there and get right through.  I don’t see how the place stays in business.

Given a choice when it comes to a burger in a sack, if Steak N’ Shake isn’t 
nearby, I’ll go to Wendy’s.

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 1:52 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Whatever happened to Burger King? It was as popular as McD in Florida back in 
> the 1960's-70s.
> It's Whopper, a huge burger, was a favorite of the high school boys IIRC.
> Gerry
> ...
> OK Don wrote:
>> My first memory of McD's is from high school. The burgers were far better
>> than most of the cafeteria food, which cost $0.35. We would get a bunch of
>> us together, and ride in the school bus that a friend drove to McD's where
>> we could buy two burgers for $0.31. Better tasting food for less money. The
>> more affluent of us would splurge for fries and a drink. The rest of us
>> waited till we got back to school for water.
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 5:07 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> We had no franchises were I was a kid.  Had to wait until I got to DC in
>>> 1973 to see what it was all about.  Baptized with a Big Mac.  The next
>>> time, I tried the Quarter Pounder with Cheez.  Neither could compare to the
>>> small town indy burger joint back home.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay monroe
>>> redgh...@comcast.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 1, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Roger wrote:
> Gee guys, me thinks you are become a little snobbish about
>>> things...picking on McD now.  I've eaten at McD since they only had one
>>> arch and only walk up service.  Maybe my palate is a little more flexible
>>> or maybe it hasn't been tainted by "fine dining".  I know we all like what
>>> we like, but it seems this is another low point to be picking on McD.  Just
>>> my opinion as usual, your tastes are yours.
> 
 
 Shall we change the tone of this McD thread? - How about recall your
 first McD visit?  My first McD was a coupon for filet-o-fish so I rode
 to Forest Park ~1963 on my ~1938 Chicago Schwinn that I still ride.
 Parkey's hot dogs were also memorable for their fresh fries ($0.10)
 served in brown paper bag all greasy salted yum.  Also yum was A
 Spanish Bar Cake markdown $0.10 - recipe for A Spanish Bar Cake is
 online.
 Carry on, guys - Roger has asked for a new tone for the McD thread?
 ... down memory lane? ... perhaps?
 tin.man
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>> 
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>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>> 
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>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, might simply be a really low battery, worth checking.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 2, 2018 10:35:45 AM EST, tyee165 via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Did you ever check the battery voltage? Given that the car sat for a
>bit while you worked on it and then  it sounds like you did not run it
>for long after you started it, maybe the battery is down and needs to
>be charged.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

No fuse in starter circuit that I'm aware of.  IIRC, power goes from battery to 
key switch, to neutral safety switch, to solenoid (for the start signal).  
There may be another switch or relay in there, little voice is telling me that 
I've forgotten something, but I'm sure there is no fuse.

Battery power high current connection (thick cable) goes directly from battery 
to starter.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 2, 2018 1:21:15 AM EST, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Yes I checked them and wiggled them all.
>
>But here's the thing: there is no fuse labeled "starter". I am not
>sure,
>given that all dash lights are on when key is turned on, that there is
>any
>fuse failure that could produce this symptom. The key energizes a relay
>somewhere when turned to start position. If the switch has any power at
>all, I assume the fuse is good, whatever it is called.
>
>Is this correct?
>
>K
>

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Re: [MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

How often do you drive there?
If you spike a board and put it where it will be driven over, can you and yours 
remember 100% not to go there without moving the spike board out of the way 
first?
Do you have any dogs? If I spiked my yard, Phoebe would be sure to run over it 
and rip her paw up. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

Did you ever check the battery voltage? Given that the car sat for a bit while 
you worked on it and then  it sounds like you did not run it for long after you 
started it, maybe the battery is down and needs to be charged.


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-12-01  7:28 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
"mercedes@okiebenz com"  Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
 Subject: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td 
Ok so I finally get the new vacuum booster line and brake light switch (fyi
daytona MB is crushing on prices for OE) anyway and the r129 dual diaphragm
booster and 500e fronts and sl600 rear calipers on the knuckles right side
up and re bled with the pressure thingy today. Good news is it stops with
very little pedal effort now. Almost too little, but I will get used to it.

Anyway I drive down the steep driveway, and there is all kinds of water
running out of drains from the storm this week, because the car hasnt
moved. Anyway, park it across the street to check the mail, which isnt
there, get back in and no crank. Fiddle with the selector lever, no dice. I
guess the next step is to jump the starter at the terminal block and see if
it has any life. Then the neutral safety switch. Is there anything I am
missing? I wiggled all the fuses. The lights all come on the panel and dim
slightly when I turn it to start position, so I think the switch is ok, and
obviously it has juice from the batry. I was under there messing around, so
could have knocked something loose, but it started fine a few times in the
driveway before it didnt.

Thoughts?

Thanks
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[MBZ] Time for some security updates

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Last night about 11:30pm I was in bed waiting for the lights to go out.  
Wife comes in as says there is a vehicle in our yard.  I quickly get 
dressed, grab a .45 and head out the door.  I flip on the porch light 
and garage lights.  By the time I got out there they were at the street 
attempting to pull out.  They then pull out and then sort of stopped in 
the road just past our main driveway.  I could hear what sounded like 
people yelling at each other I suppose.  They then left.  Upon checking 
the area, they had rutted up the yard from our secondary "driveway" that 
is over by the shop.  By driveway it is an entrance over the ditch but 
is just grass on our side.  We had a big storm the day before so the 
ground was very soft over there.


At first I thought maybe they were so morons who were trying to turn 
around over there and maybe got stuck.  The wife said it sounds like 
teens but from what I heard I am not sure if they were teens or not.  
The road out there is pitch black at night and I would think it would 
have been very difficult to find this 2nd driveway of ours in the dark 
unless you knew it was there.  In fact it is not really all that 
accessible because when the county comes by and plows the road, they 
plow often cuts into this driveway on the road side causing a pretty 
good size hump to get up in it.  Wife thinks they had cased the place 
before because otherwise how would they have been able to find that 
driveway.


Whatever the vehicles was, I thought it was some sort of pickup with a 
camper shell maybe, wife said it was a small SUV but in any case the 
back glass was up on it the whole time.  Nothing seems to have been 
broken into or stolen as far as I can tell but I will be back out in a 
little bit to check.


I have several cars parked over by the shop/barn awaiting okie 
attention.  I have noticed hood ornaments missing on cars in the past 
but could never really remember if they were missing when the cars were 
parked there or not.  I need to go back and look at some old photos of a 
couple of these cars because I am pretty sure they did have the 
ornaments in place.  I did not know this was still a thing to steal them.


Anyway, when we first moved out here there was/is a street light on a 
power pole out in the middle of the yard.  With this on at night, I can 
pretty much see what is going on out back and over toward the barn/shop 
area from inside the house.  This was one of those deals that you paid 
$6 a month on your power bill for and it was maintained by them.  About 
2-3 years ago I had the power company remove it from my account and they 
were supposed to have a crew remove it, but they never did.  About 6-8 
months ago I noticed the light getting dim till now it just dimly glows 
and does not put off any light.  I like it because this is the country 
and I like it dark so I can see the stars or what not.  On the other 
hand I did like the light so I could keep an eye on things. I have been 
meaning to install some motion activated flood lights at various points 
around the properly, like a couple off the shop, maybe one off the barn, 
some on the back of the house etc.  I am now wondering if I should just 
have the street light added back to my account and have the power 
company replace it.  I really hate not being able to turn it off when I 
want.


I also need to install a deadbolt on the shop door.  It currently just 
has the handle lock.  I have locked my keys in there before and I am 
able to get the door open with a flathead screw driver in about 5 
minutes or less so I am sure a thief could do the same.  I guess this is 
the project for today.



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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Those starters often fail by locking up completely when energized, at least 
that's what has happened to all of mine from that era.

If you hear the solenoid engage when you turn the key, the starter motor will 
need to be replaced.  Not a terrible job, just get a long breaker bar to get 
the bolts loose.
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Sounds legit to me.  If memory serves, high-draw items like starters tend
to have fusible links rather than fuses.   It sounds as though you're
getting power to the starter.  I'm gonna go along with the bad starter/bad
connection theory.   Have you tried to put 12VDC to the starter itself yet?

-MMM-

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes I checked them and wiggled them all.
>
> But here's the thing: there is no fuse labeled "starter". I am not sure,
> given that all dash lights are on when key is turned on, that there is any
> fuse failure that could produce this symptom. The key energizes a relay
> somewhere when turned to start position. If the switch has any power at
> all, I assume the fuse is good, whatever it is called.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> K
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, 8:58 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>
> > Have you CHECKED all the FUSES?
> >
> > -M. Mitchell Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] McDonald's

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

McDonald’s and BK are across the street from each other near my house.  The 
McDonald’s has a steady flow of customers through it 24/7.  The BK is like a 
morgue.  You can pull up at “peak” times there and get right through.  I don’t 
see how the place stays in business.

Given a choice when it comes to a burger in a sack, if Steak N’ Shake isn’t 
nearby, I’ll go to Wendy’s.

-D


> On Dec 2, 2018, at 1:52 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Whatever happened to Burger King? It was as popular as McD in Florida back in 
> the 1960's-70s.
> It's Whopper, a huge burger, was a favorite of the high school boys IIRC.
> Gerry
> ...
> OK Don wrote:
>> My first memory of McD's is from high school. The burgers were far better
>> than most of the cafeteria food, which cost $0.35. We would get a bunch of
>> us together, and ride in the school bus that a friend drove to McD's where
>> we could buy two burgers for $0.31. Better tasting food for less money. The
>> more affluent of us would splurge for fries and a drink. The rest of us
>> waited till we got back to school for water.
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 5:07 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> We had no franchises were I was a kid.  Had to wait until I got to DC in
>>> 1973 to see what it was all about.  Baptized with a Big Mac.  The next
>>> time, I tried the Quarter Pounder with Cheez.  Neither could compare to the
>>> small town indy burger joint back home.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay monroe
>>> redgh...@comcast.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 1, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Roger wrote:
> Gee guys, me thinks you are become a little snobbish about
>>> things...picking on McD now.  I've eaten at McD since they only had one
>>> arch and only walk up service.  Maybe my palate is a little more flexible
>>> or maybe it hasn't been tainted by "fine dining".  I know we all like what
>>> we like, but it seems this is another low point to be picking on McD.  Just
>>> my opinion as usual, your tastes are yours.
> 
 
 Shall we change the tone of this McD thread? - How about recall your
 first McD visit?  My first McD was a coupon for filet-o-fish so I rode
 to Forest Park ~1963 on my ~1938 Chicago Schwinn that I still ride.
 Parkey's hot dogs were also memorable for their fresh fries ($0.10)
 served in brown paper bag all greasy salted yum.  Also yum was A
 Spanish Bar Cake markdown $0.10 - recipe for A Spanish Bar Cake is
 online.
 Carry on, guys - Roger has asked for a new tone for the McD thread?
 ... down memory lane? ... perhaps?
 tin.man
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>> 
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>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>> 
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
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>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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