Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Clay via Mercedes]

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clay 


> On Feb 6, 2020, at 5:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Sometimes you just have to believe...

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

The last radio/cd player I bought has a voltmeter as one of the options in the 
display.


https://www.crutchfield.com/p_158XB120BT/Sony-MEX-XB120BT-CD-Receiver.html




> On Feb 6, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I bought one of those off Amazon, it's kind of interesting to watch. It's 
> how I detected the ASV alternator not charging. It'd be interesting to know 
> how long that's been the case before I bothered to look...
> Curt
> 
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> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Greg Fiorentino via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Maybe stick a little digital 
> voltmeter into the cig lighter to keep tabs on how the battery is doing as 
> you drive, so you can avoid changing batteries in an inconvenient location 
> should that prove necessary.
> 
> g
> 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?
> 
> Ok good to know.  I’ll probably pull the battery out of my 85 300D which I 
> don’t use in the winter as a backup for the trip.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> Yes  Group 49
>>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>> February 6, 2020 at 1:23 PM
>>> Another good suggestion. Anyone know if it takes a group 49?
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Re: [MBZ] Canadian Aviation Museum

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If that article was published by, say Breitbart, the buttercups would be 
screaming racist, sexist etc from all the mountaintops.


Aside from that, and the multiple generalizations that aviation museums 
are "boring"  the museum does look like a great place to visit.   But 
you have to consider the source.    I've managed to get to Wright Pat, 
whatever they call the museum at Offutt, Battleship Memorial Park, which 
has a pretty nifty aviation museum, CV-10 USS Yorktown, and CV-41 USS 
Midway, both of which have good aviation museums, and the Naval Aviation 
Museum a couple times, EAA flyin once, a couple of airports where B-17s 
were present, and airshows at Burton Wood AFB in England and Keesler 
AFB.   Nothing about any of them was ever "boring" and I don't consider 
myself a "gearhead."   I consider myself to have an interest in history, 
and in particular, US and WWII history.


Oh, and I was lucky enough to fly out of Southend in 1968, when the end 
of the field was a veritable museum of WWII Brit planes abandoned and 
deteriorating.   I also later flew in and out of Entebbe and saw the 
hulk of the hijacked A300 left to rot there.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 8:39 PM
Hey Randy, ever visit this place? It sounds pretty cool:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/aviation-museum-ottawa-canada/index.html 



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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Liquor sales are now legal in indiana on Sunday from noon to four or something 
like that.  Doesn't affect me at all since beer or wine was available at any 
place that sold food and bars have been open on Sunday night for decades.

Canada still had no stores open on Sunday except in border towns and corner 
stores (noon to 8 pm) when I was there in the early 90s.

It was nice.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bought one of those off Amazon, it's kind of interesting to watch. It's how I 
detected the ASV alternator not charging. It'd be interesting to know how long 
that's been the case before I bothered to look...
Curt

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  On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Greg Fiorentino via 
Mercedes wrote:   Maybe stick a little digital voltmeter 
into the cig lighter to keep tabs on how the battery is doing as you drive, so 
you can avoid changing batteries in an inconvenient location should that prove 
necessary.

g

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

Ok good to know.  I’ll probably pull the battery out of my 85 300D which I 
don’t use in the winter as a backup for the trip.

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> On Feb 6, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes  Group 49
> 
> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>> February 6, 2020 at 1:23 PM
>> Another good suggestion. Anyone know if it takes a group 49?
>> 
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[MBZ] Canadian Aviation Museum

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Hey Randy, ever visit this place? It sounds pretty cool:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/aviation-museum-ottawa-canada/index.html 


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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sometimes you just have to believe...

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:23 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m hoping you’re not serious.
>
> Feathering these machines is done automatically through the controls for
> the blade pitch. If you look closely at them, you’ll see an anemometer on
> the housing downwind of the rotor. It’s used to measure wind speed at the
> level of the machine. When the wind exceeds a predetermined speed, they
> pitch the blades parallel to the wind, pretty much stopping the rotor. I
> believe some machines also employ brakes to lock the rotors in place as
> well.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is done manually by certified techs, who scale the towers carrying a
> > special feathering tool when wind speeds approach 60 mph.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> they SHOULD be feathered in high wind.  otherwise they break.
> >>
> >>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >>> February 6, 2020 at 3:07 PM
> >>> They have to be pretty lightweight yet strong enough to withstand
> >>> hurricane
> >>> force winds.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Indiana still has them, although they’re quite relaxed compared to when I was a 
kid.

When we moved to Wisconsin in 1988 we were amazed at the difference. In 
Wisconsin you can buy pretty much anything in the way of liquor at grocery and 
convenience stores, and all between the hours of 6:00 am to 3:00 am, or 
something to that effect. Kids could be in bars, even sit and be served (food 
or non-alcoholic drinks) at the bar. In Indiana you had to have a wall 
separating the bar from the dining room in a restaurant that served liquor, and 
no one under 21 was allowed in the bar. Liquor, wine and beer could only be 
sold in a liquor store.

No liquor sales on Sundays, either. I believe that one is still in place.

-D


> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes PA was known for its,blue laws
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 8:54 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hell, in Philly a lot of stores didn't even open on Sunday, and bars closed
>> down by 1 AM.  Blue laws, don'chew know.
>> 
>> That didn't change until the late 70s, when the courts struck most of the
>> blue laws down.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes PA was known for its,blue laws

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 8:54 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hell, in Philly a lot of stores didn't even open on Sunday, and bars closed
> down by 1 AM.  Blue laws, don'chew know.
>
> That didn't change until the late 70s, when the courts struck most of the
> blue laws down.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m hoping you’re not serious.

Feathering these machines is done automatically through the controls for the 
blade pitch. If you look closely at them, you’ll see an anemometer on the 
housing downwind of the rotor. It’s used to measure wind speed at the level of 
the machine. When the wind exceeds a predetermined speed, they pitch the blades 
parallel to the wind, pretty much stopping the rotor. I believe some machines 
also employ brakes to lock the rotors in place as well.

-D

 
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is done manually by certified techs, who scale the towers carrying a
> special feathering tool when wind speeds approach 60 mph.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> they SHOULD be feathered in high wind.  otherwise they break.
>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> February 6, 2020 at 3:07 PM
>>> They have to be pretty lightweight yet strong enough to withstand
>>> hurricane
>>> force winds.
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Re: [MBZ] Hildegard’s DIRTY little secrets (1982 240D

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Small vice grips.   Clamp em on hard then turn.   Alternately, I have a 
set of Irwin external nut/bolt extractors that work really well for axle 
bolts that some dork has coated with loktite.

https://www.irwin.com/tools/browse/screw-bolt-extractors/bolt-extractors

BTDT.

Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 7:04 PM
Hello listers. I’ve spent about 5 hours working on this tired 240D. It 
has oil leaking from the rear main seal, and the valve cover and oil 
separator have been blowing oil all over the engine! I did replace the 
VC gasket when I did the valve adjustment. The major situation is that 
the passenger’s side engine mount outer bolt can’t be taken out. I 
thought I had the wrong angle, but I was able to hit it straight on 
with the u-joint extension and still no go. I decided to get a closer 
“LOOK” at the bolt and discovered that there’s a tip of an Allen 
wrench stuck inside the bolt, and it’s too tall to get another bit in 
there to spin it out. All of the remaining three bolts came out, but 
they are practically stripped. Is there any way to easily extract the 
bolt with the broken hex inside?
On another note, I was feeling around the crossmember for a bolt that 
I had dropped when I found a piece of rubber hanging off the Driver’s 
LCA. The bushing is SHOT!! Can this be replaced without removing it 
from the car? I’m not sure if I want to sort out all of the problems 
with this car.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 330 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der Doodlewagen
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This is done manually by certified techs, who scale the towers carrying a
special feathering tool when wind speeds approach 60 mph.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> they SHOULD be feathered in high wind.  otherwise they break.
>
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > February 6, 2020 at 3:07 PM
> > They have to be pretty lightweight yet strong enough to withstand
> > hurricane
> > force winds.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Buy a cheap 8 hour travel insurance policy.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:13 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 15:19:36 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Maybe stick a little digital voltmeter into the cig lighter to keep
> > tabs on how the battery is doing as you drive, so you can avoid
> > changing batteries in an inconvenient location should that prove
> > necessary.
>
> Or maybe something like in the attached picture ...
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Hell, in Philly a lot of stores didn't even open on Sunday, and bars closed
down by 1 AM.  Blue laws, don'chew know.

That didn't change until the late 70s, when the courts struck most of the
blue laws down.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

they SHOULD be feathered in high wind.  otherwise they break.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 3:07 PM
They have to be pretty lightweight yet strong enough to withstand 
hurricane

force winds.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I know for sure most insurance bidness was conducted in the evenings 
when folks were home. SWMBO remembers the ins agent coming in the 
evening, and I do too. Family businesses were available when the people 
were.   We were "Open" whenever someone drove in.   After my 
grandparents died, my parents tried to be closed on sundays except for 
Sept and Oce, when it was a 6 day disk to dawn operation, and often into 
the night or morning.   Later on, they tried to be closed all sundays, 
but sunday afternoon sales were good, so we pretty much were "open" even 
if the sign said closed.


The downtown businesses were a totally different animal.   Strictly 9 to 
5 except one drug store and the one night a week they stayed open to 9.  
Mondays, then they switched to Friday.


There were a lot of 2-4 martini lunches, and a lot of happy hour 
business meetings because it was 100% deductible on taxes.  Meals, 
booze, entertainment, all 100% deductible.


A lot of families loaded up the car and went to visit grandparents, 
parents and other relatives on Sunday after church.   I remember lots of 
sunday gatherings at both grandparents' houses.


I've never known a shyster to meet before 9 am or after 4.   But 1950s 
Lost angels may have been different than farm country.


Gotta remember, 1955 was only 10 years after when everyone was working 
til they dropped, then slept and got up to do it all over again.   Also 
most of the 50s businessmen grew up on a farm and worked dawn to dusk or 
more.   Only the union jobs strictly ran by the clock.

Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 6:34 PM
I don't know but i grew up in the country so we milked cows, ate dinner,
went to bed & got up very early to milk the cows again.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So it seem that what I have observed in such entertainment vehicles as Perry 
Mason (and others) is that the idea that people were conducting business on a 
regular basis at late hours at this period in history is a construct of the 
media.

I often wondered if this wasn’t the case. Now I know.

Thanks!

-D
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[MBZ] Hildegard’s DIRTY little secrets (1982 240D

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Hello listers. I’ve spent about 5 hours working on this tired 240D. It has oil 
leaking from the rear main seal, and the valve cover and oil separator have 
been blowing oil all over the engine! I did replace the VC gasket when I did 
the valve adjustment. The major situation is that the passenger’s side engine 
mount outer bolt can’t be taken out. I thought I had the wrong angle, but I was 
able to hit it straight on with the u-joint extension and still no go. I 
decided to get a closer “LOOK” at the bolt and discovered that there’s a tip of 
an Allen wrench stuck inside the bolt, and it’s too tall to get another bit in 
there to spin it out. All of the remaining three bolts came out, but they are 
practically stripped. Is there any way to easily extract the bolt with the 
broken hex inside?
On another note, I was feeling around the crossmember for a bolt that I had 
dropped when I found a piece of rubber hanging off the Driver’s LCA. The 
bushing is SHOT!! Can this be replaced without removing it from the car? I’m 
not sure if I want to sort out all of the problems with this car.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 330 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der Doodlewagen
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I don't know but i grew up in the country so we milked cows, ate dinner,
went to bed & got up very early to milk the cows again.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 7:06 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> To clarify, it wasn’t just on Perry Mason I have seen this - it’s been on
> other programs of the same time period and in movies as well.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think people conducted business late more in the 50s than today.
> Perry and other lawyers often deal with people on the fringes of society,
> so not typical of the normals of that period.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 2:49 PM
> > To: Mercedes List
> > Cc: Dan Penoff
> > Subject: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question
> >
> > As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might
> want to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck
> in the back of my mind….
> >
> > Here’s the deal:
> >
> > When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and
> sometimes earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great
> deal of business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason
> episode it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him
> at his office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and
> movies, as with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and
> business being conducted much the same.
> >
> > Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
> meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do
> during the “normal” business day?
> >
> > I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
> >
> > ??
> >
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[MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Dan,
My view might be different as I grew up in the country and somewhat close to 
"smaller" big cities (no NY or LA).  It was my experience that if you didn't 
show by 5:00PM you were out of luck.  In the 60's grocery and some other 
businesses started staying open to 6, 7, 8, and finally 9:00PM into the 70's.  
I'm sure this might also have differed by size of city and type of business.  
However, I always thought that those times were more to fit the TV show plot 
than to fit reality.
Just my thoughts...
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

To clarify, it wasn’t just on Perry Mason I have seen this - it’s been on other 
programs of the same time period and in movies as well.

-D


> On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think people conducted business late more in the 50s than today. 
> Perry and other lawyers often deal with people on the fringes of society, so 
> not typical of the normals of that period.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff 
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 2:49 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question
> 
> As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want 
> to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the 
> back of my mind….
> 
> Here’s the deal:
> 
> When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
> earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of 
> business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode 
> it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his 
> office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as 
> with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and business being 
> conducted much the same.
> 
> Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
> the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
> “normal” business day?
> 
> I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
> 
> ??
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Did you see it on TV? Enough said ...

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:27 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don't think people conducted business late more in the 50s than today.
> Perry and other lawyers often deal with people on the fringes of society,
> so not typical of the normals of that period.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: Mercedes List
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question
>
> As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might
> want to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck
> in the back of my mind….
>
> Here’s the deal:
>
> When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and
> sometimes earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great
> deal of business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason
> episode it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him
> at his office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and
> movies, as with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and
> business being conducted much the same.
>
> Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings
> in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during
> the “normal” business day?
>
> I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
>
> ??
>
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I don't think people conducted business late more in the 50s than today. Perry 
and other lawyers often deal with people on the fringes of society, so not 
typical of the normals of that period.

Greg

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via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 2:49 PM
To: Mercedes List
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want to 
offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the back 
of my mind….

Here’s the deal:

When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of business 
later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode it seems 
almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his office at 9:00 
pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as with merchants being 
open somewhat later into the evening and business being conducted much the same.

Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
“normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.

??

-D thinker of obscure thoughts
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't think the men ever took off their suits and ties either, they'd 
sit around in the evening in full business dress, well maybe swap the 
jacket for a cardigan.  Maybe they were anticipating that need for a 9PM 
bidness meeting, then finally like 11PM they'd go put on their full 
pajamas and robe and slippers.  And they did not sleep in the same bed 
with their wife, who always wore makeup and had well-coiffed hair, so I 
never understood how the chirruns came about.


There's a lot about the 50s that is puzzling

--FT

On 2/6/20 6:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 17:48:34 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to
do during the “normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that
time.

I wasn't much in the know in the 1950s, but as far as I knew people did
not conduct business late in the evenings.

My dad, being a pediatrician, though, did make house calls then.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Maybe stick a little digital voltmeter into the cig lighter to keep tabs on how 
the battery is doing as you drive, so you can avoid changing batteries in an 
inconvenient location should that prove necessary.

g

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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 3:11 PM
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Cc: Dimitri Seretakis
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

Ok good to know.  I’ll probably pull the battery out of my 85 300D which I 
don’t use in the winter as a backup for the trip.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes  Group 49
> 
> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>> February 6, 2020 at 1:23 PM
>> Another good suggestion. Anyone know if it takes a group 49?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 17:48:34 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
> meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to
> do during the “normal” business day?
> 
> I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that
> time.

I wasn't much in the know in the 1950s, but as far as I knew people did
not conduct business late in the evenings.

My dad, being a pediatrician, though, did make house calls then.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

My guess was that they were catering to those with full time day jobs they
couldn't leave - meet them after dinner and the kids were put to bed.
Otherwise, it makes a good story ...

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:03 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Monkey bidness meeting, plausible deniability!
>
> -_FT
>
> On 2/6/20 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might
> want to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck
> in the back of my mind….
> >
> > Here’s the deal:
> >
> > When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and
> sometimes earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great
> deal of business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason
> episode it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him
> at his office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and
> movies, as with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and
> business being conducted much the same.
> >
> > Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
> meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do
> during the “normal” business day?
> >
> > I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
> >
> > ??
> >
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Ok good to know.  I’ll probably pull the battery out of my 85 300D which I 
don’t use in the winter as a backup for the trip.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes  Group 49
> 
> 
>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>> February 6, 2020 at 1:23 PM
>> Another good suggestion. Anyone know if it takes a group 49?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Monkey bidness meeting, plausible deniability!

-_FT

On 2/6/20 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want to 
offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the back 
of my mind….

Here’s the deal:

When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of business 
later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode it seems 
almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his office at 9:00 
pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as with merchants being 
open somewhat later into the evening and business being conducted much the same.

Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
“normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.

??

-D thinker of obscure thoughts
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[MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want to 
offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the back 
of my mind….

Here’s the deal:

When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of business 
later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode it seems 
almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his office at 9:00 
pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as with merchants being 
open somewhat later into the evening and business being conducted much the same.

Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
“normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.

??

-D thinker of obscure thoughts
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Banned in Britain

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I too have glimpsed (from afar) attacks on Scouting in recent decades.  
This begs the questions:  
Who is behind these attacks?  
Why?  
What is their goal, if any?

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 11:02 AM
> 
> Boy Scouts have been under attack for almost 50 years.   I heard the comment
> Tuesday that "Scouting is not what it was when I was a kid."   I was lucky.   
> Our
> Scoutmaster was a forester for a paper mill.   We hiked in, pitched camp,
> scrounged firewood, and did what is now called "primitive camping."   We just
> thought it was normal camping.  A lot of places, we could not even hear any
> sign of civilization, except for contrails in the sky. 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Banned in Britain

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I think this speaks to the fragile state of modern dense urban environment.  
Big cities are the ultimate parasite; they cannot produce any of the essentials 
they require daily: water, power, food, fuel, etc.  

I hear it said that we are headed for a civil war where one side has 100 
million guns (and a trillion rounds of ammo) while the other side can't decide 
which bathroom to use.  But I don't think guns are even a factor.  
Realistically, if big cities are cut off from even one of the essentials (like 
power or water) human nature will sort things in short order.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 11:02 AM
> 
> not much.   Ferguson MO provides a glimpse of what happens when civilization
> breaks down.  First looting, burning and shooting; then starvation.   In big
> cities, the food runs out after a few days.  Then the looting will start.
> ...


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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Love the comments:

"Wind must be stopped. Its ruining the lives of innocent wind turbines.”

-D


> On Feb 6, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, isn't it amazing how well they do? 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nemy4TD4I3A
> 
> On 06/02/2020 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> They have to be pretty lightweight yet strong enough to withstand hurricane
>> force winds.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I would think more in terms of seawalls or pilings for docks (quay) or 
structures.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 8:40 AM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades
> 
> An interesting externality of “no-carbon” energy production
> 
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-
> blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Back when the first big machines were being built I went to the Hamilton 
Standard factory where they were making blades 125ft long.  It was like 
a big lathe with a mandrel between two centers, and a traveling carriage 
that dispensed epoxy-soaked fiberglass string, just kept going back and 
forth building up the structure according to some "weaving" pattern they 
had figured out.  Took some time to make each one but it was a dumb 
automated process, a guy would come check on the machine every now and then.


Those blades were hollow the whole length, at the root they were about 
8ft diameter where they attached to the hub, and technicians could crawl 
out almost to the tip to check them out for any structural issues.  They 
might have installed some gussets after the blades were made, I don't 
know.  I don't recall exactly how thick they were at the root and out, 
but I would guess at least a coupla inches as the root if not more, and 
probably an inch or more toward the tip.


I think I still have some old reports in a box somewhere that might have 
details on the components, someday I will try to find them.


-_FT

On 2/6/20 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
They have to be pretty lightweight yet strong enough to withstand 
hurricane force winds.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Those things are thick and tough. The .50 idea makes sense. I
think shot would just bounce off

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
>  Thats what I meant, BB is the size of shot we use on geese.
I'm not sure how big you can get in steel, BB is the biggest I've
ever seen.
> You could use bismuth too, its heavier than steel, more
expensive though, about $17/lb.
>
> -Curt
>
>    On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 11:55:14 AM EST, Craig via
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:36:10 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>>   Now now, you can't go shooting lead bullets into the water. A
couple
>> of blasts of steel BB should do the job just as well and protect
>> aquatic waterfowl. ;) -Curt
>
> Well, how about a blast from a 12- or 10-gauge shotgun with
steel shot?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Yes, isn't it amazing how well they do? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nemy4TD4I3A


On 06/02/2020 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

They have to be pretty lightweight yet strong enough to withstand hurricane
force winds.





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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

They have to be pretty lightweight yet strong enough to withstand hurricane
force winds.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Those things are thick and tough. The .50 idea makes sense. I think shot
> would just bounce off
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Thats what I meant, BB is the size of shot we use on geese. I'm not
> sure how big you can get in steel, BB is the biggest I've ever seen.
> > You could use bismuth too, its heavier than steel, more expensive
> though, about $17/lb.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 11:55:14 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:36:10 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>   Now now, you can't go shooting lead bullets into the water. A couple
> >> of blasts of steel BB should do the job just as well and protect
> >> aquatic waterfowl. ;) -Curt
> >
> > Well, how about a blast from a 12- or 10-gauge shotgun with steel shot?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] The Good Kids: Was OT: Banned in Britain

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Congrats to him and to you as parents.   In general, Eagle Scouts are 
fine citizens.  In the 90s couple in our troop were pushed through by 
overly pushy parents.  The kid was not motivated.   Unfortunately, that 
is more the norm now than it was in my time.    My son was motivated.  I 
helped with some of his Eagle project because it was big and ambitious, 
but he did it because he was motivated.   I arranged for the workspace.  
I hauled the plywood.  I mixed the polymer resin he used for a scale 
model riverbed, but we put it down together.  I helped him move it and 
set it up in the museum, but he and his helpers did the real work.



Michael Esh via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 1:28 PM
My son who is now 21 and applying for Med school, which will not be 
easy as he a white male, was a scout from age 6 through 16. Although 
he wanted to quit several times through the years he stuck it out 
ended up as an Eagle Scout. We are very proud if him.
There are many success stories involving the “youngsters” of this 
generation though we most often hear of losers and trouble makers that 
are a part of every generation.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes  Group 49



Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 1:23 PM
Another good suggestion. Anyone know if it takes a group 49?



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Re: [MBZ] Nice Kleb Car

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Only if you fly me out there for a week...

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:06 PM Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
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> I don’t smoke, and I wouldn’t want to lick the engine in my 240D since
> it’s oily!!! OTOH, if you have a taste for oil, I need my engine cleaned!
> I’m going to finish the engine mounts today since I now have a u-joint
> extension for easier accessibility of the top bolts.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter 330 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der Doodlewagen
> 1982 240D High Mileage Hildegard
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 5, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So if you want to see the car, do not smoke or lick the engine, no
> matter
> > how tempted.
> >
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:43 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> It has a sun roof, AND a sunroof!
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Feb 5, 2020 8:38:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Missed that one.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Feb 5, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Allow wheels
> 
>  --FT
>  Sent from iPhone
> 
> 
> > On Feb 5, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > no smoking or licking engine
> > great breaks
> > clean tittle
> >
> >
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/land-lakes-mercedes-benz-class/7069000978.html
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Re: [MBZ] The Good Kids: Was OT: Banned in Britain

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Truth!
We tend to remember bad things instead of the good. People have been 
complaining about previous generations back into the mists of time.
-Curt

On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 2:28:53 PM EST, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My son who is now 21 and applying for Med school, which will not be easy as he 
a white male, was a scout from age 6 through 16.  Although he wanted to quit 
several times through the years he stuck it out ended up as an Eagle Scout.  We 
are very proud if him. 
There are many success stories involving the “youngsters” of this generation 
though we most often hear of losers and trouble makers that are a part of every 
generation.  
It is important to share the good stories as well





> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> not much.  Ferguson MO provides a glimpse of what happens when civilization 
> breaks down.  First looting, burning and shooting; then starvation.  In big 
> cities, the food runs out after a few days.  Then the looting will start.
> 
> Boy Scouts have been under attack for almost 50 years.  I heard the comment 
> Tuesday that "Scouting is not what it was when I was a kid."  I was lucky.  
> Our Scoutmaster was a forester for a paper mill.  We hiked in, pitched camp, 
> scrounged firewood, and did what is now called "primitive camping."  We just 
> thought it was normal camping.  A lot of places, we could not even hear any 
> sign of civilization, except for contrails in the sky.    I was able to buy a 
> Brit surplus Sheffield machete.  It was crude and dull and cheap.  It took a 
> lot of grinding to get it sharp.  But the steel is fantastic.  In 50+ years, 
> I've only had to touch it up once after I got it sharp.  That and a pocket 
> knife or three, would be my first choice of survival tools.
> 
>> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>> February 6, 2020 at 1:37 AM
>> When I was a kid (late 50s) boys in my area routinely spent a few weeks each 
>> summer at a camp (boy scout, YMCA, church, etc). In NJ, no less. Conditions 
>> were primitive (outhouse, tent, etc.) and we learned how to living rough, 
>> albeit with store-bought groceries and a clean water supply. Looking at 
>> Google Earth, there are housing developments where those campgrounds once 
>> stood.
>> 
>> So I have to wonder: how much do kids learn today about low-tech life?? I 
>> mean basic boy scout stuff like making fire, land navigation, first aid, 
>> finding shelter, foraging for food, etc. I'm afraid I know the answer.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

It should, my 87 and 95 diesels do, as does my 94 gasser.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:24 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Another good suggestion. Anyone know if it takes a group 49?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why not carry an extra, fully charged battery for insurance? Along with
> tools to change them if necessary.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > P.S. My son drove an '80 240D from Austin to Vancouver with no alt.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 2:20 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Dimitri Seretakis
> > Subject: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?
> >
> > So I’m inheriting Sam’s and then Dwight’s and then Sam’s 1990 300D. It
> needs a new alternator  and I was wondering if you guys think it’ll make
> the trip from Rhode Island to Massachusetts- roughly 1.5 hour drive if
> driven with a fully charged battery, without using lights or heat. Once I
> get it home I will change out the alternator. I’ve got no familiarity with
> diesels of this generation. I driven a w115 220D with failed alternator on
> extended trips but that car has mechanical everything. Is this the case
> with a w124 as well?
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Re: [MBZ] C107 Values

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Brown generally takes away rather than adds value, although there are some
who may like it.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:08 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ahh, now we’re picking nits. Even a brown 230SL with a slushbox commands
> high dollars.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Bad color, bad model year.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > I rest my case:
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-1976-mercedes-450-slc/7063304384.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-1976-mercedes-450-slc/7063304384.html
> >
> >
> > FWIW, this car is about 20 minutes away from me, not that I would go
> look at it, but...
> >
> > -D
> >
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[MBZ] The Good Kids: Was OT: Banned in Britain

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

My son who is now 21 and applying for Med school, which will not be easy as he 
a white male, was a scout from age 6 through 16.  Although he wanted to quit 
several times through the years he stuck it out ended up as an Eagle Scout.  We 
are very proud if him. 
There are many success stories involving the “youngsters” of this generation 
though we most often hear of losers and trouble makers that are a part of every 
generation.  
It is important to share the good stories as well





> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> not much.   Ferguson MO provides a glimpse of what happens when civilization 
> breaks down.  First looting, burning and shooting; then starvation.   In big 
> cities, the food runs out after a few days.  Then the looting will start.
> 
> Boy Scouts have been under attack for almost 50 years.   I heard the comment 
> Tuesday that "Scouting is not what it was when I was a kid."   I was lucky.   
> Our Scoutmaster was a forester for a paper mill.   We hiked in, pitched camp, 
> scrounged firewood, and did what is now called "primitive camping."   We just 
> thought it was normal camping.  A lot of places, we could not even hear any 
> sign of civilization, except for contrails in the sky.I was able to buy a 
> Brit surplus Sheffield machete.   It was crude and dull and cheap.  It took a 
> lot of grinding to get it sharp.   But the steel is fantastic.  In 50+ years, 
> I've only had to touch it up once after I got it sharp.   That and a pocket 
> knife or three, would be my first choice of survival tools.
> 
>> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>> February 6, 2020 at 1:37 AM
>> When I was a kid (late 50s) boys in my area routinely spent a few weeks each 
>> summer at a camp (boy scout, YMCA, church, etc). In NJ, no less. Conditions 
>> were primitive (outhouse, tent, etc.) and we learned how to living rough, 
>> albeit with store-bought groceries and a clean water supply. Looking at 
>> Google Earth, there are housing developments where those campgrounds once 
>> stood.
>> 
>> So I have to wonder: how much do kids learn today about low-tech life?? I 
>> mean basic boy scout stuff like making fire, land navigation, first aid, 
>> finding shelter, foraging for food, etc. I'm afraid I know the answer.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Another good suggestion. Anyone know if it takes a group 49?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why not carry an extra, fully charged battery for insurance? Along with tools 
> to change them if necessary.
> 
> Greg
> 
> P.S. My son drove an '80 240D from Austin to Vancouver with no alt.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri 
> Seretakis via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 2:20 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Dimitri Seretakis
> Subject: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?
> 
> So I’m inheriting Sam’s and then Dwight’s and then Sam’s 1990 300D. It needs 
> a new alternator  and I was wondering if you guys think it’ll make the trip 
> from Rhode Island to Massachusetts- roughly 1.5 hour drive if driven with a 
> fully charged battery, without using lights or heat. Once I get it home I 
> will change out the alternator. I’ve got no familiarity with diesels of this 
> generation. I driven a w115 220D with failed alternator on extended trips but 
> that car has mechanical everything. Is this the case with a w124 as well?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd like to have a mag, but this one came out with a coil.   Our 39 and 
41 H's had mags, as did my R50/2 (german content) an I loved being able 
to start and run them with no battery.   The shaft between the crank and 
engine on mine has been rusted solid for years.  I keep soaking it but 
it is still stuck. If I could crank mine, I'd have bought a mag in place 
of the alt and rewiring and 12V conversion.   I miss not having a mag on 
my R75/5.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 12:55 PM
A magneto Farmall didn't need a battery at all if you hand cranked.
12v conversion was the best thing we ever did, especially for a 
machine that doesn't see a whole lot of use. We were going through a 
6v battery every 3 years or so, I think we're at 4 years on the 12v 
battery. It also really whips the engine over, especially good for 
that first start in the spring.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Those things are thick and tough. The .50 idea makes sense. I think shot would 
just bounce off

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>  Thats what I meant, BB is the size of shot we use on geese. I'm not sure 
> how big you can get in steel, BB is the biggest I've ever seen.
> You could use bismuth too, its heavier than steel, more expensive though, 
> about $17/lb.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 11:55:14 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:36:10 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>   Now now, you can't go shooting lead bullets into the water. A couple
>> of blasts of steel BB should do the job just as well and protect
>> aquatic waterfowl. ;) -Curt
> 
> Well, how about a blast from a 12- or 10-gauge shotgun with steel shot?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 A magneto Farmall didn't need a battery at all if you hand cranked.
12v conversion was the best thing we ever did, especially for a machine that 
doesn't see a whole lot of use. We were going through a 6v battery every 3 
years or so, I think we're at 4 years on the 12v battery. It also really whips 
the engine over, especially good for that first start in the spring.
-Curt

On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 12:26:55 PM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > I ran my Farmall H for years with non-functioning generator.  I could run it 
 > all day, then charge it over night and run it all day again the next day on 
 > a group 49 battery borrowed from an MB.

So your Farmall was converted to 12V?  Ours is 6V.
The only power drain on those is the ignition, if you
hand-crank it to start and don't use the lights.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Thats what I meant, BB is the size of shot we use on geese. I'm not sure how 
big you can get in steel, BB is the biggest I've ever seen.
You could use bismuth too, its heavier than steel, more expensive though, about 
$17/lb.

-Curt

On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 11:55:14 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:36:10 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Now now, you can't go shooting lead bullets into the water. A couple
> of blasts of steel BB should do the job just as well and protect
> aquatic waterfowl. ;) -Curt

Well, how about a blast from a 12- or 10-gauge shotgun with steel shot?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 We did that a lot when our Super M was still 6v. Since we did the 12v 
conversion we've had zero problems. Shoulda done the 12v conversion years 
before.
-Curt

On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 11:44:19 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 one battery should be fine.   I ran my Farmall H for years with 
non-functioning generator.   I could run it all day, then charge it over 
night and run it all day again the next day on a group 49 battery 
borrowed from an MB.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> February 6, 2020 at 10:35 AM
> Could you wire a battery to a 12v adapter to back feed through the 12v 
> socket in the car? You could have 2 batteries for the price of one. 
> With one battery you *should* be fine. With 2 batteries you will be 
> fine...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 10:09:27 AM EST, Jim Cathey via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
> You might pull a few fuses, to ensure parasitic loads don't deplete 
> the battery,
> saving it for brake lights, windshield wiper.  Fuses like clock/radio, 
> HVAC, ABS,
> etc.  If this car has an electric monovalve, it's drawing power to 
> keep the heat off.
> (The W201 has a vacuum-operated blend flap, not a monovalve.)  You want to
> make sure the auxiliary water pump is unpowered.  If necessary, unplug 
> it directly.
>
> I'd start, of course, with a fully charged battery, and if not too 
> difficult I'd even jump-start
> the car.  While it idles/warms up put it back on charge so that once 
> you hit the road
> your battery is as charged as it's going to be.
>
> You'll be fine.
>
> -- Jim
>
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Why not carry an extra, fully charged battery for insurance? Along with tools 
to change them if necessary.

Greg

P.S. My son drove an '80 240D from Austin to Vancouver with no alt.



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Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 2:20 PM
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Cc: Dimitri Seretakis
Subject: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

So I’m inheriting Sam’s and then Dwight’s and then Sam’s 1990 300D. It needs a 
new alternator  and I was wondering if you guys think it’ll make the trip from 
Rhode Island to Massachusetts- roughly 1.5 hour drive if driven with a fully 
charged battery, without using lights or heat. Once I get it home I will change 
out the alternator. I’ve got no familiarity with diesels of this generation. I 
driven a w115 220D with failed alternator on extended trips but that car has 
mechanical everything. Is this the case with a w124 as well?
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Re: [MBZ] Nice Kleb Car

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

I don’t smoke, and I wouldn’t want to lick the engine in my 240D since it’s 
oily!!! OTOH, if you have a taste for oil, I need my engine cleaned!
I’m going to finish the engine mounts today since I now have a u-joint 
extension for easier accessibility of the top bolts.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 330 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der Doodlewagen
1982 240D High Mileage Hildegard

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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So if you want to see the car, do not smoke or lick the engine, no matter
> how tempted.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:43 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It has a sun roof, AND a sunroof!
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> Feb 5, 2020 8:38:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Missed that one.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 5, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Allow wheels
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
 
> On Feb 5, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> no smoking or licking engine
> great breaks
> clean tittle
> 
> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/land-lakes-mercedes-benz-class/7069000978.html
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If you are serious about building reefs, you'd drill holes in the 
blades, run cables through them to build triangular stacks, then take 
them out and sink em in place.


Sections of the blades might make good target holders.   Anyone know if 
they are foam filled?   Maybe you could cut 8-9' sections and make 
palisade type building walls.



Craig via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 10:54 AM
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:36:10 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Well, how about a blast from a 12- or 10-gauge shotgun with steel shot?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Curley McLain via Mercedes  writes:

> Should make the trip. THe EDC should be the only draw, and if that 
> croaks the battery, the car will still run.  Congrats.

Yes but you also won't have brake lights or turn signals. Could be
hazardous.

I'm guessing that would not happen in just 90 minutes with a good
battery, but don't know.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I ran my Farmall H for years with non-functioning generator.   I could run it 
> all day, then charge it over night and run it all day again the next day on a 
> group 49 battery borrowed from an MB.

So your Farmall was converted to 12V?  Ours is 6V.
The only power drain on those is the ignition, if you
hand-crank it to start and don't use the lights.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:35:12 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Could you wire a battery to a 12v adapter to back feed through the 12v
> socket in the car? You could have 2 batteries for the price of one.

Yes, you could do that.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:36:10 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Now now, you can't go shooting lead bullets into the water. A couple
> of blasts of steel BB should do the job just as well and protect
> aquatic waterfowl. ;) -Curt

Well, how about a blast from a 12- or 10-gauge shotgun with steel shot?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

one battery should be fine.   I ran my Farmall H for years with 
non-functioning generator.   I could run it all day, then charge it over 
night and run it all day again the next day on a group 49 battery 
borrowed from an MB.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 10:35 AM
Could you wire a battery to a 12v adapter to back feed through the 12v 
socket in the car? You could have 2 batteries for the price of one. 
With one battery you *should* be fine. With 2 batteries you will be 
fine...


-Curt

On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 10:09:27 AM EST, Jim Cathey via 
Mercedes  wrote:


You might pull a few fuses, to ensure parasitic loads don't deplete 
the battery,
saving it for brake lights, windshield wiper.  Fuses like clock/radio, 
HVAC, ABS,
etc.  If this car has an electric monovalve, it's drawing power to 
keep the heat off.

(The W201 has a vacuum-operated blend flap, not a monovalve.)  You want to
make sure the auxiliary water pump is unpowered.  If necessary, unplug 
it directly.


I'd start, of course, with a fully charged battery, and if not too 
difficult I'd even jump-start
the car.  While it idles/warms up put it back on charge so that once 
you hit the road

your battery is as charged as it's going to be.

You'll be fine.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Now now, you can't go shooting lead bullets into the water. A couple of blasts 
of steel BB should do the job just as well and protect aquatic waterfowl. ;)
-Curt

On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 10:48:42 AM EST, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Maybe they float well enough that all you need is a tug boat to pull them
into position, then punch a hole on both ends to let water in and air out.
I think a caliber around 0.50" would work nicely.  Might be a win-win.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:39 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Interesting idea.  I'm checking with my buddy to see if that might work
> or if they would leach toxic materials
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/6/20 9:44 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Dump them at Sea, make artificial reefs to replace the natural reefs
> killed by Trump.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Feb 6, 2020 8:40:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> >> An interesting externality of “no-carbon” energy production
> >>
> >>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
> >>
> >> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Could you wire a battery to a 12v adapter to back feed through the 12v socket 
in the car? You could have 2 batteries for the price of one. With one battery 
you *should* be fine. With 2 batteries you will be fine...

-Curt

On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 10:09:27 AM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 You might pull a few fuses, to ensure parasitic loads don't deplete the 
battery,
saving it for brake lights, windshield wiper.  Fuses like clock/radio, HVAC, 
ABS,
etc.  If this car has an electric monovalve, it's drawing power to keep the 
heat off.
(The W201 has a vacuum-operated blend flap, not a monovalve.)  You want to
make sure the auxiliary water pump is unpowered.  If necessary, unplug it 
directly.

I'd start, of course, with a fully charged battery, and if not too difficult 
I'd even jump-start
the car.  While it idles/warms up put it back on charge so that once you hit 
the road
your battery is as charged as it's going to be.

You'll be fine.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dave Mieman has a write up for changing the wastegate on one of the online 
forums. Peach parts perhaps. 

Rick



  Original Message  


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Sent: February 6, 2020 10:07 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: 126die...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?


yeah, I forgot about that change.   I will have to learn about it.   I
know there are a bunch of vacuum pods on the 300D 2.5 EGR.    If you
change the turbo to an OM603 turbo, could you then delete the egr?


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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I don't know for sure, but I think I've heard / read talk about doing that
or similar: swapping in a pressure-controlled waste gate.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:07 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yeah, I forgot about that change.   I will have to learn about it.   I
> know there are a bunch of vacuum pods on the 300D 2.5 EGR.If you
> change the turbo to an OM603 turbo, could you then delete the egr?
>
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> > February 6, 2020 at 6:04 AM
> > Curly - the OM602 used a "different" waste gate controller on the
> > turbo, it
> > was vacuum controlled and there was some interplay via the nannies such
> > that defeating the EGR required fooling the nannies else they shut off
> the
> > boost to the engine. In other words, not purely mechanical operation of
> > the engine.
> >
> > The danger would be that if the battery voltage drops too low, the
> nannies
> > (in the EDC? I suspect so) would stop working and waste gate would open
> so
> > no boost and loss of power.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Funny how "displaced emissions" stuff ends up causing emissions in other 
places.    "Ain't no free lunch"


all the feel good EV and windmills and solar panels create a lot of 
displaced emissions in other places and in other ways.

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 7:39 AM
An interesting externality of “no-carbon” energy production

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah, I forgot about that change.   I will have to learn about it.   I 
know there are a bunch of vacuum pods on the 300D 2.5 EGR.    If you 
change the turbo to an OM603 turbo, could you then delete the egr?



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 6:04 AM
Curly - the OM602 used a "different" waste gate controller on the 
turbo, it

was vacuum controlled and there was some interplay via the nannies such
that defeating the EGR required fooling the nannies else they shut off the
boost to the engine. In other words, not purely mechanical operation of
the engine.

The danger would be that if the battery voltage drops too low, the nannies
(in the EDC? I suspect so) would stop working and waste gate would open so
no boost and loss of power.
-
Max
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Banned in Britain

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

not much.   Ferguson MO provides a glimpse of what happens when 
civilization breaks down.  First looting, burning and shooting; then 
starvation.   In big cities, the food runs out after a few days.  Then 
the looting will start.


Boy Scouts have been under attack for almost 50 years.   I heard the 
comment Tuesday that "Scouting is not what it was when I was a kid."   I 
was lucky.   Our Scoutmaster was a forester for a paper mill.   We hiked 
in, pitched camp, scrounged firewood, and did what is now called 
"primitive camping."   We just thought it was normal camping.  A lot of 
places, we could not even hear any sign of civilization, except for 
contrails in the sky.    I was able to buy a Brit surplus Sheffield 
machete.   It was crude and dull and cheap.  It took a lot of grinding 
to get it sharp.   But the steel is fantastic.  In 50+ years, I've only 
had to touch it up once after I got it sharp.   That and a pocket knife 
or three, would be my first choice of survival tools.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 1:37 AM
When I was a kid (late 50s) boys in my area routinely spent a few 
weeks each summer at a camp (boy scout, YMCA, church, etc). In NJ, no 
less. Conditions were primitive (outhouse, tent, etc.) and we learned 
how to living rough, albeit with store-bought groceries and a clean 
water supply. Looking at Google Earth, there are housing developments 
where those campgrounds once stood.


So I have to wonder: how much do kids learn today about low-tech 
life?? I mean basic boy scout stuff like making fire, land navigation, 
first aid, finding shelter, foraging for food, etc. I'm afraid I know 
the answer.





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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Good idea about jump starting the car!

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> On Feb 6, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> You might pull a few fuses, to ensure parasitic loads don't deplete the 
> battery,
> saving it for brake lights, windshield wiper.  Fuses like clock/radio, HVAC, 
> ABS,
> etc.  If this car has an electric monovalve, it's drawing power to keep the 
> heat off.
> (The W201 has a vacuum-operated blend flap, not a monovalve.)  You want to
> make sure the auxiliary water pump is unpowered.  If necessary, unplug it 
> directly.
> 
> I'd start, of course, with a fully charged battery, and if not too difficult 
> I'd even jump-start
> the car.  While it idles/warms up put it back on charge so that once you hit 
> the road
> your battery is as charged as it's going to be.
> 
> You'll be fine.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Maybe they float well enough that all you need is a tug boat to pull them
into position, then punch a hole on both ends to let water in and air out.
I think a caliber around 0.50" would work nicely.  Might be a win-win.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:39 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Interesting idea.  I'm checking with my buddy to see if that might work
> or if they would leach toxic materials
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/6/20 9:44 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Dump them at Sea, make artificial reefs to replace the natural reefs
> killed by Trump.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Feb 6, 2020 8:40:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> >> An interesting externality of “no-carbon” energy production
> >>
> >>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Interesting idea.  I'm checking with my buddy to see if that might work 
or if they would leach toxic materials


--FT

On 2/6/20 9:44 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Dump them at Sea, make artificial reefs to replace the natural reefs killed by 
Trump.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Feb 6, 2020 8:40:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes :


An interesting externality of “no-carbon” energy production

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

You might pull a few fuses, to ensure parasitic loads don't deplete the battery,
saving it for brake lights, windshield wiper.  Fuses like clock/radio, HVAC, 
ABS,
etc.  If this car has an electric monovalve, it's drawing power to keep the 
heat off.
(The W201 has a vacuum-operated blend flap, not a monovalve.)  You want to
make sure the auxiliary water pump is unpowered.  If necessary, unplug it 
directly.

I'd start, of course, with a fully charged battery, and if not too difficult 
I'd even jump-start
the car.  While it idles/warms up put it back on charge so that once you hit 
the road
your battery is as charged as it's going to be.

You'll be fine.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Dump them at Sea, make artificial reefs to replace the natural reefs killed by 
Trump.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Feb 6, 2020 8:40:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes :

> An interesting externality of “no-carbon” energy production
> 
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
> 
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[MBZ] OT old wind machines blades

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

An interesting externality of “no-carbon” energy production 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Banned in Britain

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The Boy Scout camp I went to is still there and largely unchanged from when I 
was there 25 years ago. I just scoped it out on Google maps and while there are 
more buildings than when I was there they still have the same campsites with 
platforms for wall tents. Probably still have outhouses too.
-Curt

On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 2:38:16 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 When I was a kid (late 50s) boys in my area routinely spent a few weeks each 
summer at a camp (boy scout, YMCA, church, etc).  In NJ, no less.  Conditions 
were primitive (outhouse, tent, etc.) and we learned how to living rough, 
albeit with store-bought groceries and a clean water supply.  Looking at Google 
Earth, there are housing developments where those campgrounds once stood.

So I have to wonder:  how much do kids learn today about low-tech life??  I 
mean basic boy scout stuff like making fire, land navigation, first aid, 
finding shelter, foraging for food, etc.  I'm afraid I know the answer.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 1:14 AM
> 
> Fixin ol Dissels with Mechanical Fuel Injection Laying by caches of supplies 
> for
> the coming apocalypse.
> Group thrapy  (punching holes in paper or other materials) Improving our
> hunting and gathering skills teaching those of younger generations who are
> worth trying to save.


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Re: [MBZ] Running w124 300D with failed alternator?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Curly - the OM602 used a "different" waste gate controller on the turbo, it
was vacuum controlled and there was some interplay via the nannies such
that defeating the EGR required fooling the nannies else they shut off the
boost to the engine.  In other words, not purely mechanical operation of
the engine.

The danger would be that if the battery voltage drops too low, the nannies
(in the EDC?  I suspect so) would stop working and waste gate would open so
no boost and loss of power.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> no, just idle speed.   Max and I have cars running without edc at all.
> unplug it and adjust the idle manually.
>
> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> > February 5, 2020 at 7:21 PM
> > The EDC controls boost too, IIRC. It may be pretty anemic.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] C107 Values

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ahh, now we’re picking nits. Even a brown 230SL with a slushbox commands high 
dollars.

-D



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Bad color, bad model year.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> I rest my case:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/brandon-1976-mercedes-450-slc/7063304384.html
>  
> 
> 
> FWIW, this car is about 20 minutes away from me, not that I would go look at 
> it, but...
> 
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