Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen or will he end up inCuba?

[Bill R]

A national magazine did a feature on that idea a few decades ago, "If the
South Had Won the Civil War".  I don't recall which magazine, though.  The
possible "Confederate States of America" map they had showed Cuba as a
state, but that is about all I remember from so long ago.
BillR

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inCuba?

The US Civil War was about more than slavery.  At that time the main federal
tax was import duties.  The south, having little ability to manufacture
goods paid a very disproportionate share of these taxes while the north made
a lot of their own stuff and didn't need many imports.  Lincoln's
emancipation proclamation was a political move that only freed slaves in the
south while any slaves in the north (still slaves under Dred-Scott) were not
effected.  The primary result was to push back open support for the south in
Europe and the UK who were then anti-slave.  Practically speaking, slavery
was already doomed in the US because machines would be more economical in a
just a few years. The real issue was secession and slavery was just one
factor.  The south believed that they because they joined the union
voluntarily and could also leave if they wanted to.  The constitution was
silent (and still is) on that issue. Lincoln believed that the union would
continue to fragment (like Germany) over every little issue once the
precedent was set so, despite much political resistance in the north, he
went to war to keep the union intact.  By any measure, it was the worst war
in US history.  One wonders how the history of the world would be different
if the south had been allowed to secede. 

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inCuba?

Yeah I know that 'rule of law' thing is a bummer, especially when the US 
has to set up a concentration camp in Cuba (of all places, perhaps they 
put it on an old disused missile site) and then kidnap people from all 
over the world and torture them there.
Apparently a couple of Oz citizens where 'invited' there as well. Of 
course the British being cultured and having a rule of law, made a big 
noise about their citizens being there and I suppose have a bit of clout 
in Washington and their people got let go pretty quick. Now we are a bit 
more laid back and trusting I suppose and believed that the people being 
held in the camp where big terrorists and this was all part of winning 
the war on terror. However our patience did grow a bit thin after a 
while (years) and the former PM had an election coming up and finally 
worked up the courage to ask George if it would be possible to do 
something about the guests of the US of A (ooh sorry that should be 
guests of the socialist republic of Cuba) (oooh double sorry that should 
be guests of the US military). All of a sudden a secret trial/military 
tribunal was organized and the person in question got released into Oz 
custody to do a few more months in the local jail and is not allowed to 
talk about any of this to anyone, otherwise we might have to let the US 
kidnap him again.

Anyway if the South didn't want a war, all they had to do was to act 
civilized and abolish slavery. Now you might be OK with some states of 
the Union stealing people from Africa and forcing them to work for 
nothing and thereby denying them their basic human rights (apparently 
there is something about the rights of people in the constitution) but 
apparently the southern states did not read the constitution or felt it 
did not apply to them in that regard.
My guess is that Lincoln felt the south was governed by people who went 
against the constitution and as such the war was justified in his view.
Perhaps Lincoln really believed that America was the land of the free, 
as opposed to having underclasses of people with lesser rights.

Now as far as that Holocaust denier goes, for one thing he was warned 
that if he didn't stop his stuff he would have the book thrown at him. 
He was well aware that he was violating German law and that the British 
where not going to hide him.
Now are you going to maintain your stance that he was kidnapped or was 
he legally extradited?
My take is that he is an embarrassment to the Australian nation and as 
long as everything is legal (including the right to a fair trial in an 
timely manner) they can stick him in jail for as long as they want and I 
don't think anyone in Oz will even care. He is an idiot saying stupid 
things to stir up trouble or whatever his plans are, whilst saying 
stupid things is not against the law here, it is in Germany.

Hendrik
who is off to do some domestic chores because 

Re: [MBZ] Tax Free Status

[Bill R]

If an organization that has a tax exempt status endorses a political
candidate those who give money to that organization cannot receive a tax
credit for those contributions.  I am pretty sure it also puts the
organization's tax exempt status at risk.
BillR 

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> Aren't organizations that receive tax free status obligated to 
> refrain from supporting one political group or another, or even making 
> political statements?

I don't think so.  But ones that are tax-funded must be.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT:Obama supporters go for McCain's policies

[Bill R]

As Colin Powell mentioned her selection and his belief that she is not
qualified as one of the reasons he is backing Obama, I am wondering what the
plan is to discredit his thinking and credentials.  Colin Powell seems to
have a pretty solid background for his position [all except that being a
Republican thing.  I have to question anyone who claims that. ;D ]
BillR 

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Wrong!

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] OT:Obama supporters go for McCain's policies


> Obama voters support Sarah Palin as VP if you tell them that she's Obama's
> running mate:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT:Obama supporters go for McCain's policies

[Bill R]

My comment was about Colin Powell's qualifications to make such a judgment.
It does seem to me that given his background he has some credibility there.
For those of us whose minds have been made up it won't make any difference.
I don't think any Republicans will vote for Obama or Democrats go from
McCain to Obama based on his endorsement. Independents might be a different
story, but at this point I tend to question anyone who has not been able to
make up their mind [though I suspect this is more a 'feeling' thing than an
intellectual exercise.]  That is one reason I quit watching debate coverage
on CNN and went to BBC America - that dumb line showing how some few
"persuadable folks" felt during the debates. I thought it silly and
misleading even though I tended to agree with it.  Obviously a significant
chunk of the country does not.  Look at this list and all the electrons that
have been used to service one side or the other.  I seriously doubt if
anyone has changed sides on the campaign or even individual issues from any
of it, though it occasionally helps me to articulate my position on
something better. I was glad to hear Colin Powell state some of the same
things I had been thinking, but then it wasn't a game changer for me any
more than for any of us. 
BillR
 

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"Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> As Colin Powell mentioned her selection and his belief that she is not
> qualified as one of the reasons he is backing Obama, I am wondering what
the
> plan is to discredit his thinking and credentials.  Colin Powell seems to
> have a pretty solid background for his position [all except that being a
> Republican thing.  I have to question anyone who claims that. ;D ]

Colin Powell is entitled to his opinion of course, but I do not see how
Obama passes the "qualified" test any better than Palin does.  Seems a
weak argument to me.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Another Brake Pad Question - front caliper

[Bill R]

Rusty - I am assuming two weeks over 1 year on an install date will not
allow your supplier to cover the sticking caliper?
BillR

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Call Rusty at 1-800-741-5252
$28.01 for the cheapest ones I have.


Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

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>I have a 73 220d that i need a cheapo set of brake pads for.  All of the 
>McParts stores bet a pad that is way too big for this car.  How can i get a

>set of pads that will fit?
>
> thanks, Mike
>
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Re: [MBZ] Another Brake Pad Question - front caliper

[Bill R]

No, I missed it.  I've been having a bit of heart problems and an almost flu
for a few days and am a few hundred emails behind.  I'll give you a call.
Thanks - Bill

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Did you not see my reply? Give me a call tomorrow, we'll work it out.


Rusty Cullens
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 4:39 PM
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> Rusty - I am assuming two weeks over 1 year on an install date will not
> allow your supplier to cover the sticking caliper?
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 4:24 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Brake Pad Question
>
> Call Rusty at 1-800-741-5252
> $28.01 for the cheapest ones I have.
>
>
> Rusty Cullens
> BuyMBparts, Inc.
> Tel 1-800-741-5252
> Fax   770-454-9745
>
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:53 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Another Brake Pad Question
>
>
>>I have a 73 220d that i need a cheapo set of brake pads for.  All of the
>>McParts stores bet a pad that is way too big for this car.  How can i get 
>>a
>
>>set of pads that will fit?
>>
>> thanks, Mike
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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, politics on the list, everyone read

[Bill R]

Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, politics on the list, everyone read

Ban appreciated, it had gotten far beyond friendly discussion.

BillR - Just another mindless idiot who doesn't love America and wants
society to fall apart as soon as possible.


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Re: [MBZ] secret message for wacko the insane - travelling music

[Bill R]

I used to keep a tape of the 1812 Overture [a version that used cannons] to
keep me awake late nights when I had my Alfa GTV.  The booms through the
sound system in that small interior would do it for a few minutes anyway.
BillR

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For organ stuff you need Bach.  Maybe one of the Fantasias or his rather
prolific Toccata & Fugues.
 
Dan

--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] secret message for wacko the insane
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 11:46 PM

4th movement of the 9th symphony, I'd have been doing a quick 140 mph.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:16 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I prefer either Beethoven's or Shostakovitch's 9th while driving
---
> though I most admit - there should be more organ symphonies ---
>
> >. I heard musical nuances from
> > Saint-Saens that even my Bose speakers had kept hidden from me. That
car
> > definitely wants to keep going faster and faster. At one point, on a
5
> mile
> > ruler straight length of highway, Saint-Saens was building to a
climax
> (for
> > Luther, the end of movement one). I looked down and was doing 70 mph
> > indicated, which was about 74 mph in a 55 zone. I felt like I was
going
> > about 40.
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
> mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
> '90 300D (Rattled),  '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand
Voyager (Vincent
> van-go)
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Re: [MBZ] OT wireless was Re: OT xp v vista

[Bill R]

I am having a lot of trouble with my Linksys system [I have both wireless b
with a range extender and a wireless g - same one you had - with an 'n'
receiver].  Constant problems, but I have been blaming Comcast.  I think a
new wireless router is in my future, though I also have 250' of cat 5 I am
thinking of running if I can get the ends put on.  
Manfred - is that cat 5 something you might need to wire your new dome home?
BillR 

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Dump the Linksys brand, and here is why. 
My internet is shared from my neighbor via wireless through 2 brick 
walls, 3 interior walls, and around 5 or 6 large oak trees...all over 
about 350 feet.  We started using the Linksys WRT54G router.  The first 
54G would need to be restarted daily after a period of higher data 
transfer (anything over 100KByte/sec).  Finally, it completely croaked 
and wouldn't accept a wireless connection from a laptop in the same 
room.  We sent it back to Linksys under warranty.  The replacement 
eventually suffered the same daily-restart fate and was quickly reduced 
to being a hardwire router just to provide the connection with the cable 
modem.  Wirelessly, it was replaced by a USR AP.  Eventually, the 
Linksys could not handle much more of the higher speed transfers and I 
finally replaced it with a USR router also.  Since then, the system has 
been flawless for 3 months with only USR brand equipment.  I have 
watched countless hours of HD tv from the ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX 
websites and I have seen speeds approach 2MB (1500-1900 KB/s) during 40 
minute runs of HD video.  I'm sold on the brand change

Luther

Tim C wrote:
>> If you've got an 802.11n router and wireless card in your laptop, see
>> 
 what frequencies they run at.  802.11n will work at both 2.4Ghz and
 5.4Ghz (I think).  I would have to go back and check, but one of these

 
>>> I have best luck using the 802.11b protocol even though my wireless
>>> router (LinkSys) will also do "g".  I also don't secure it other than I
>>> am not broadcasting the SSID.
>>>
>>>   
>> B is the 5 gHz frequency, IIRC.  Different range and characteristics,
>> as well as effective speed.  Different interference sources, a friend
>> 
>
>
> 5GHz is the 'a' band, 'b' and 'g' are 2.4GHz.  Many 'n' cards will only do
> 2.4GHz, the vogue marketing description is "dual band" if it does both 2.4
> and 5.
>
> B is a little more forgiving of noise / distance when using a b/g AP; it
is
> 11Mbps (~5 practical) vs. 54Mbps (~20 practical).  Everyone has b/g so if
> your neighbors put in a big antenna you're likely out of luck.  Microwaves
> and wireless phones are also bigger issues for the 2.4GHz band, as Jim
> mentioned.
>
> of mine had to convert his house to B once a neighborhood repeater
>   
>> tower of some sort went in.  After that, no problems.  Just based
>> on frequency, I'd guess B had less inherent range.  Still might
>> be better than a compromised 2.4 gHz system.
>> 
>
>
> They make up for the frequency differences in the 5GHz band with power,
11a
> routers are intended to have similar range with (probably) less
> interference.  FCC power settings are more generous in the really high
> channels.
>
> Since it sounds like you are right on the edge of your range, I'd suggest
> turning your chair 15 degrees to give your antenna a clearer path (the
> laptop antenna is probably in your LCD).  You could also try locking the
> router to the slowest speed you can stand (I used to use 1Mbps at home)
for
> a more consistent connection.  Obviously any distance you can reduce
between
> the AP and your preferred seat will help too.
>
> For a Linksys router you can get better antennas, even the 7dB omni will
be
> better than what you have.  You can also (depending on the model) load
> DD-WRT and experiment with different power settings, more is probably but
> not always better.  If you care I can dig up the FCC max power settings
for
> different channels, as I think DD-WRT will let you go over them.
>
> The 11n cards and routers I've seen have significantly better range at
> higher speeds, if you've got the money and/or don't mind waiting until the
> day after Thanksgiving.  Stores are probably trying to dump their
'extended
> range' 11g equipment as well, which would probably work.  (The Netgear
> extended range cards and APs were great, by the way.  In my experience
that
> was not true for their non-extended-range stuff.)  Companies also make
range
> extenders as Jim mentioned earlier, but I agree that's overkill. =)
>
> When I ran into this at home I wound up buying a cheap router from FON,
> mounting it under the staircase as high as possible, and now I have
perfect
> coverage throughout the house and into the driveway.  My ISP doesn't mind
if
> I share 

Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list

[Bill R]

Yes, probably, but he is tall enough that that is not a big surprise.
BillR

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its so flat here i can see wonko from here


> Looking west, Colorado...Looking east, Wonko?
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] quiz for the list
>
> Corn harvest?
>
> Luther
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Im sitting in Rolla, KS, guess what kind of scenery I get to look at
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 126 brochure & Becker radio - car radio with record feature

[Bill R]

I had one of those back in the mid 1970's,installed in a '73 Chevy Caprice.
IIRC from so long ago it was a Sanyo, and I think they quit making that
model after a couple of years.  It allowed you to record off the air or you
could use the handheld microphone.  I was never happy with the off the air
quality, but the handheld mic did ok. Unfortunately the Caprice was a
hardtop you could get into with a coat hanger almost as rapidly as with the
key, and it was liberated a couple of months after I put it in.  I saw the
guy in the parking lot and he was followed home so we had his address,
description of the car and plate number, his hair hanging off the rear view
mirror and the tools he used to get in [campus police scared him while in
the act] and all the Indianapolis police would do was send me a theft report
[taken over the phone] for an insurance claim.  I'm still ticked about that
one.
BillR   

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:15 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 brochure & Becker radio

I doubt the Becker could record but if you can confirm it, let me know as i
have always wanted to be able to record off the air while driving.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That Becker is worth $200 to somebody interested in a proper restoration.
>  Gump has need, but not at that price.
>
> clay
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2008, at 8:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  I have volunteered to help sort out all of the car stuff owned by my long
>> time friend Don (who died last year of metastasized prostate cancer
(never
>> went
>> to the doctor)) as a favor to his widow and found in a box a nice 126
>> brochure
>> that might be of some interest to a dedicated 126 driver. He may have
>> brought
>> this home from one of his UK trips.
>>
>> It is 8 1/2 X 11" with about 53 pages and depicts Euro or UK models
>> (corduroy
>> seats and Euro lights) but is in English. It covers 380SE & SEL plus
500SE
>> &
>> SEL. I would say the condition is excellent for something stored in a box
>> for
>> all these years. I have no idea of it's value so if there is any
interest,
>> email me offline with what you are willing to pay. Photos available if
>> needed.
>>
>> I also have a 1968 Becker Europa MU AM/FM radio with installation kit
>> removed
>> from a Porsche 911 long ago. I know nothing about Beckers and
particularly
>> if
>> this radio has any value at all. Opinions requested.
>>
>> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Question about Rules

[Bill R]

I thought anyone who did that had their car stolen in the middle of the
night the next time Kaleb passed their area with a flatbed.  
Sure, risk it. Everyone else does.
BillR 

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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question about Rules

Kaleb has the monopoly on used parts. Ask anyone else for it, and you are
immediately banned from the list (and end up on Banned).

But live dangerously. Submit your request. Someone might have what you need
and maybe Kaleb is too busy to read messages tonight, what with him making
an eBay killing on what used to be MY Quantum.

What ya need?

Don in Iowa

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> Is it okay to ask the list if anyone has used part they would be willing
to
> sell?  I have already e-mailed Kaleb and am expecting a reply in the next
> couple of days.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike in Michigan
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Re: [MBZ] Fashion model Gullwing

[Bill R]

She is younger than me, but then so is the car.  Nice layout.
BillR 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:34 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Fashion model Gullwing

The results of one of my more interesting afternoons was published 
yesterday:
http://www.alivemag.com/articles/fashion.php (Pretty sure that's the 
wrong headline.)

Anyone want to guess how old the lady model is?

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Cathey SL addition

[Bill R]

At least you wouldn't have to wonder what to hang from the rearview
mirror...
BillR

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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:06 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Cathey SL addition

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/897302227.html

Jim needs to add to his stable.  I was just threatened with castration  
if this arrived at my door step.  I must have it far from me before I  
do something rash

clay


not mine, no affiliation, much lust in my heart

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Re: [MBZ] Blame

[Bill R]

My cousin used to be sent to factories around the country that were acquired
by the company he worked for.  The difference between "shut it down" and "we
can make this one work" was often the upper management.  The last one he did
[and he was sent there to shut it down] showed three executives with company
cars and a secretary to answer their phones.  He got rid of the three
executives, sold the cars and retrained the secretary to do something useful
in the company [he said he knew how to answer a phone] and saved the jobs of
85 employees who worked on the floor. Interesting little factory just North
of Miami that produced @ 85% of the airsick bags used in airlines around the
world. My respect for him was confirmed when I found out his decision to not
shut it down as he was supposed to do meant that he had to uproot his
family, sell the house he was just finishing somewhere in VA, and move to FL
and run the plant for a few years. 
BillR 

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On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:34 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blame

You're right about who is to blame but invariably when layoff's occur 
they'll hit the secretary's and clerical staff 1st - people making $10-$20 
/hr while leaving a bloated number of VP's  making $200K + bonus' in place. 
Seen it happen numerous times - far too numerous -

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blame


>> ..You know they're serious when they start on upper management...
>>
> Who the hell do you think got the company in trouble in the first place? 
> Not
> the Indians, that's for certain.
>
> RLE
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] another round of layoffs at the company

[Bill R]

That is not true for our HAS.  New rules for 2008 allow whatever we do not
use to roll over to the next year.  What we have not used this year will
cover our initial out of pocket costs for next year.
BillR

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:40 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] another round of layoffs at the company

Be careful how much you choose to place in the HSA acct -most (all?) require

you forfeit any money not used.  For us, doc co-pays &, Rx co-pay are the 
only thing we need a HSA for but it's easy to calculate how much is needed 
in the HSA - 1 doc per mo, 3 Rx per month.  Until the govt changes the Rx 
rquirements allowing doc to write Rx for 3 month worth of meds reducing the 
number of doc appts needed.

A lot to consider as I'm sure you do not want to leave any money on the 
table - be sure to estimate low.

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] another round of layoffs at the company


> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Might have to check into that if the time comes.  Now what is a HSA plan?

>> I know when we checked before it was something like 800 a month or more 
>> for the family.
>
> You get a high deductible insurance plan, and then you can set up a 
> savings account to cover the deductible. You get to deduct the money you 
> put in the savings account, and can spend it on anything medical related, 
> including stuff like braces that insurance doesn't cover.
> http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p969.pdf
>
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Re: [MBZ] 201 seat springs

[Bill R]

I had one welded on a Subaru wagon, and when I was in Cuba the cab I used
had wire stretched between the door posts to hold up the front seat.  It
worked.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 201 seat springs

So, how would Jim Cathey repair a 123 seat back frame?  They tend to 
break at the bottom on that flat piece that spans the seat frame.  I 
have 2 frames that are broken here, and it's a sort of potmetal...  Ideas?

Luther

Jim Cathey wrote:
>> I used a piece of copper clad steel (very stiff wire) and wound it 
>> into a spring of about 20-25 coils.  I slid this around the broken 
>> parts (qty 3) of my sold '83 300SD driver's seat springs.  I then 
>> covered the area in JB Weld.  They never gave me problems in the 2 
>> years that I drove the car after that.
>
> That would probably work equally well.  What I like about
> welding is that it's not only cheap (once you have the capital
> equipment), it's 'dry' nearly instantly.
>
> -- Jim

-- 
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'82 300CD (183 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] 76 300D auto trans

[Bill R]

I might have one of those from an instrument cluster I bought for the other
gauges.
BillR

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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 76 300D auto trans

How about a 111 160 mph speedometer?

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Loren Faeth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> that is the way it works for me.  I bought a spare hood and grill for my
> 200D 30 some years ago, and I still have it.  BTW, it will be on the
auction
> Nov 8 if anyone needs one.  Also a 111 hood and grill or 2.
>
>
> At 01:08 PM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>
>> So, if I were to buy this, it would pretty much guarantee that I would
>> never need one, right?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:10 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: [MBZ] 76 300D auto trans
>>
>>
>> IF anyone needs a good auto trans for 115 1976 300D, I have a good
>> one for sale.  Please contact me offlist if you are interested.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Loren Faeth
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cathey SL addition

[Bill R]

I see you have thought this through.  You are correct, of course.
BillR

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Good idea.  Not sure it would be the best thing to temp future riders  
with though.  Seeing how I would then be able to entertain that option

clay

On Oct 30, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Bill R wrote:

> At least you wouldn't have to wonder what to hang from the rearview
> mirror...
> BillR
>
> -
> On Behalf Of Redghost
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:06 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] Cathey SL addition
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/897302227.html
>
> Jim needs to add to his stable.  I was just threatened with castration
> if this arrived at my door step.  I must have it far from me before I
> do something rash
>
> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)

[Bill R]

Looks like it will be quite a nice home on the roam.  Have fun getting it
fixed up - and using it, of course.
BillR

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Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb
prices!)

I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three.

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Here is the company that did the customization : 
http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/

Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled.

-Rolf


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars?

[Bill R]

It is really a bit more complicated than that.  The system of malignant
stupid policy decisions and favoring the folks in power [foreign or native]
did not arise out of the culture all by itself. The shorthand version is
that the colonial system stayed in place for the most part and the folks at
the top [colonial powers with some experience in national affairs and
international relations while raping the country] were replaced with locals
who had worked for them and who kept most of the structure, but had none of
the international or even national experience while they were raping the
country.  It is a mess now and can be blamed on them if you want, but the
situation did not arise all by itself.
BillR


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars?

Yeah, in Zimbabwean money. Check out their rate of inflation lately.  Our
problems pale compared to theirs

And that's what they get for kicking out the colonials and taking back the
land.  Lots of good it did them.

Dan (who used to do business in Harare)


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> From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars?
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:23 PM
> Here's a pic of 100 Billion dollars, and what you can
> buy with it:
> http://humorland.wordmess.net/files/2008/10/zw018.jpg
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Colonialism and such, still OT

[Bill R]

Rich, I am far from an expert in the situation of pre-colonial Africa, and
the 'nations' were divided up in a conference room [in London IIRC] without
any consideration of topography or community relationships, but basically
the situation in any area [don't think of 'nations' in pre-colonial times]
was that if people could grow or find food they lived there, and when they
could not get enough food they moved and found or fought for a new place to
live where they could get food [you do like run-on sentences I hope].
Hunger was not as big a problem because there was no one forcing them to
grow crops they could not eat so $$ could be earned by export.  The taxes
imposed by colonial rule were more to force people to become part of the
system than to generate direct revenue, and people who could continue their
traditional way of life had no need of money except to pay the taxes.  A
Kenyan friend who owns some land outside of Nairobi told me that if he were
ever to plant an export crop [coffee and cocoa are the main ones there, I
think] on his land he was legally bound to never grow anything but that,
even if he were starving. The infrastructure was created to bring natural
and agricultural resources to the ports for export [look at the rail system
of colonial India  and Haiti also], and the enforcement of export production
left a lot of people without the means to support themselves - thus having
to purchase food that they once could grow for themselves.  Ghana is another
interesting story [one of my professors was a tribal chieftain from there,
with a PhD from NYU].  HUGE natural resources, but they were not of interest
to the native peoples, and in many ways [almost every way] have turned out
to be a detriment to the population.  Colonial powers abused the population
[to 'civilize' them, of course] and extract gems that were valued elsewhere.
Is there some God-given right to do anything to native peoples so that
foreign desires can be satisfied?  That is the $.25 answer, and leaves out
probably 75% of the full story.  Much of the same story can be told of our
taking of land and resources from native American tribes [who did the same
thing to other native American tribes, who had done it to others] to create
the United States.  I suppose the underlying question is always can we stop
the process when we get what we want, or should we expect others to take
over from us.  We were the "Taliban" to native Americans, I guess.
Do also realize that it is not just Africa that is affected with
this sort of thing.  Great quantities of the best agricultural land in
Central America and the islands is owned by huge trans-nationals [I only use
the term 'multinational' when I forget how misleading it is], and areas that
once fed local populations can sit idle for years if the price for bananas
[or other export crops] means the folks in the board room won't make enough
profit planting.  If you have another several pages of listening available
you can investigate the role of the church in colonialism.  Rather an
interesting story there also, and does not exactly square with Christian
values.  
Down from soapbox, but you sort of asked for it.
BillR

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars?

What was the place like before the colonial powers took over?

--R

Bill R wrote:
> It is really a bit more complicated than that.  The system of malignant
> stupid policy decisions and favoring the folks in power [foreign or
native]
> did not arise out of the culture all by itself. The shorthand version is
> that the colonial system stayed in place for the most part and the folks
at
> the top [colonial powers with some experience in national affairs and
> international relations while raping the country] were replaced with
locals
> who had worked for them and who kept most of the structure, but had none
of
> the international or even national experience while they were raping the
> country.  It is a mess now and can be blamed on them if you want, but the
> situation did not arise all by itself.
> BillR
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of LWB250
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars?
>
> Yeah, in Zimbabwean money. Check out their rate of inflation lately.  Our
> problems pale compared to theirs
>
> And that's what they get for kicking out the colonials and taking back the
> land.  Lots of good it did them.
>
> Dan (who used to do business in Harare)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>&

Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)

[Bill R]

You could probably fit a Lazy Boy in there, though it might not meet code. I
don't think you would have to worry about it sliding backwards with the
super acceleration I sure I will have ;-) , but forward could be a problem.
Maybe you could use the footrest as sort of a swing up emergency stop so you
won't hit the steering wheel in case someone pulls out in front of you.  I'm
sure the experience of getting it from when sits to road worthy will amply
challenge your resourcefulness [and probably your bank account, but we won't
talk about that].  Wish it could be me. 
BillR 

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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For
kaleb prices!)

Getting it home is certainly the biggest obstacle. I'll feel better when
I have the title in hand and it one all 4 wheels (2 rear are missing :( ).

Needs a front seat to, wonder if a lazyboy will fit :)

-Rolf

Bill R wrote:
> Looks like it will be quite a nice home on the roam.  Have fun getting it
> fixed up - and using it, of course.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Rolf
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For
kaleb
> prices!)
>
> I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three.
>
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg
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> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg
>
> Here is the company that did the customization : 
> http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/
>
> Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled.
>
> -Rolf
>
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[MBZ] From Mrs Bill // RE: Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)

[Bill R]

Bill asked me to apologize to you all for some of the things he wrote today
-- not sure what that was, because I don't have the energy to read through
them.  But apparently he was in the throes of congestive heart failure when
he wrote all of his notes and now feels some of it might have been
inappropriate.  He is now at St Luke's under care, they are adjusting things
and hopefully he will pull out of this without further problems.  I just got
home -- it's been a long day.  Good night all...sue

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On Behalf Of Bill R
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For
kaleb prices!)

You could probably fit a Lazy Boy in there, though it might not meet code. I
don't think you would have to worry about it sliding backwards with the
super acceleration I sure I will have ;-) , but forward could be a problem.
Maybe you could use the footrest as sort of a swing up emergency stop so you
won't hit the steering wheel in case someone pulls out in front of you.  I'm
sure the experience of getting it from when sits to road worthy will amply
challenge your resourcefulness [and probably your bank account, but we won't
talk about that].  Wish it could be me. 
BillR 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For
kaleb prices!)

Getting it home is certainly the biggest obstacle. I'll feel better when
I have the title in hand and it one all 4 wheels (2 rear are missing :( ).

Needs a front seat to, wonder if a lazyboy will fit :)

-Rolf

Bill R wrote:
> Looks like it will be quite a nice home on the roam.  Have fun getting it
> fixed up - and using it, of course.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Rolf
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For
kaleb
> prices!)
>
> I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three.
>
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg
> http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg
>
> Here is the company that did the customization : 
> http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/
>
> Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled.
>
> -Rolf
>
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[MBZ] Home again - but none the wiser.

[Bill R]

The concern and well wishes of the group are appreciated, and the kind words
about some of my posts, but I do know that when I am a bit off chemically I
tend to get verbose.   About the only way to describe what happened is a
transient congestive heart failure.  My cardiologist said he will have to
make up something to put in the chart so they will have some proper codes to
use for billing and such, but he really doesn't know what happened.  His
best guess is that the Advair I was on for a month might have caused some
slight lessening of a particular heart function and with the arrhythmias
that my AICD takes care of  that was a tipping point for the CHF even though
my ejection fraction is really quite good [for someone in my situation .].
He had seen me in the office a few days before and at that time there were
no symptoms of CHF coming on.   He said the real problem seems to be that my
body had not read the correct medical textbooks so it would know how to
behave with CHF or abnormal heart rhythms.  No doubt true, and I do like to
keep them guessing.   At any rate I am back, but a few hundred emails behind
and needing a bit of additional rest to recover from being in the hospital.

BillR



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Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents

[Bill R]

Some years ago an Air Force buddy of mine reported that while he was working
as an EWO on a B-52 a General seemed to feel that he could ignore the 'no
smoking' rules and continue to smoke his cigar around the aircraft while it
was being readied for takeoff.  My buddy reported that a B-52 makes quite a
bonfire.  I guess it was a surprise to him that the laws of physics had so
little respect for his rank.  Not up there with the really expensive
accidents, but one that could easily have been avoided, and certainly took
up more of our tax dollars than all of us combined are likely to pay during
our lives.
BillR

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> Isn't that cheerful!...
> 
It is in a way. Makes one's own personal screwups seem trivial in
comparison.

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Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents

[Bill R]

Thanks Wilton.  Is that sort of an accident likely to get the general into
as much hot water as it likely would have any of the air or ground crew?
BillR 

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The cigar-smoker general - Curt Lemay, CINCSAC

Wilton

- Original Message -
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To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents


> Some years ago an Air Force buddy of mine reported that while he was
working
> as an EWO on a B-52 a General seemed to feel that he could ignore the 'no
> smoking' rules and continue to smoke his cigar around the aircraft while
it
> was being readied for takeoff.  My buddy reported that a B-52 makes quite
a
> bonfire.  I guess it was a surprise to him that the laws of physics had so
> little respect for his rank.  Not up there with the really expensive
> accidents, but one that could easily have been avoided, and certainly took
> up more of our tax dollars than all of us combined are likely to pay
during
> our lives.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:09 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents
>
> > Isn't that cheerful!...
> >
> It is in a way. Makes one's own personal screwups seem trivial in
> comparison.
>
> RLE
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents

[Bill R]

Whoever this 'accidental B-52 arsonist' was, his cigar was lit when it
started the fire.  Could well be more than one stogie general was around
back then - probably late 1970's.
BillR  


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He did SEEM sorta careless with his cigar around airplanes - 'doubt it was
lit, though; he never set one afire that I've heard about.

Wilton

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> Thanks Wilton.  Is that sort of an accident likely to get the general into
> as much hot water as it likely would have any of the air or ground crew?
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:51 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents
>
> The cigar-smoker general - Curt Lemay, CINCSAC
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents
>
>
> > Some years ago an Air Force buddy of mine reported that while he was
> working
> > as an EWO on a B-52 a General seemed to feel that he could ignore the
'no
> > smoking' rules and continue to smoke his cigar around the aircraft while
> it
> > was being readied for takeoff.  My buddy reported that a B-52 makes
quite
> a
> > bonfire.  I guess it was a surprise to him that the laws of physics had
so
> > little respect for his rank.  Not up there with the really expensive
> > accidents, but one that could easily have been avoided, and certainly
took
> > up more of our tax dollars than all of us combined are likely to pay
> during
> > our lives.
> > BillR
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> >
> > > Isn't that cheerful!...
> > >
> > It is in a way. Makes one's own personal screwups seem trivial in
> > comparison.
> >
> > RLE
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] this is not about politics, its about voting

[Bill R]

Let's just hope the prizes don't take a few weeks before you can hand them
out.
BillR

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Subject: [MBZ] this is not about politics, its about voting

Regardless of your views on the candidates, I think of myself as enough of a
patriot that I get a warm fuzzy feeling when thinking about the fact that
this years turnout is likely the be the largest in history.  That is a good
thing.  I hope everyone knows what a privilege we have in this country to be
able to choose our representatives.  People in many countries never get the
chance to cast a real vote.  Thank you to all of our nation's veterans who
have sacrificed so much throughout our history to defend this great country!

I am having an election night watch party tonight.  We might play electoral
bingo and we also have maps of the country.  Each participant will make
their prediction for red/blue states and the electoral college totals.
Whoever wins gets a prize!  Should be fun.

Donald H. Snook
Proud to have voted.
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Re: [MBZ] Is this out of line?

[Bill R]

Depending on the age of your firstborn that might not be a particularly
generous offer.
BillR

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On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Mathieu J. Cama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Still alive, very busy in the shop with little time for email as of late.

Wow, I haven't looked at www.oldworldauto.com in quite a while.  Check
out some of the cars in the For Sale section. I would trade my
firstborn for that black 5-speed /8 even with the rusty rockers!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Is this out of line?

[Bill R]

Your web site pic of your '61 220Sb brings back lots of memories of my '62
220Sb.  Part of that is the years I enjoyed driving it and part is that it
died protecting me.  When I went to the garage that was storing it a few
months later I didn't even recognize it as my car.  Head on with a drunk in
a speeding Camero will do that.
BillR 

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On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

>>
>
> Wow, I haven't looked at www.oldworldauto.com in quite a while.  Check
> out some of the cars in the For Sale section. I would trade my
> firstborn for that black 5-speed /8 even with the rusty rockers!
>
> Alex
>

Alex,

I hate to part with that car. If only I could fine a truly nice w111 or 
w108 chassis to transplant the drivetrain into. Money being of no 
concern, that car really should be restored. Factory issue 5 speed 
w108s are very rare. Rumor has it about 1400 5 speed cars of that era 
were built (113, 108, 111, 112, 109) with 850 or so being 113s. 113s 
aside, I have heard of or seen one 300se sedan, one 300se cabrio, two 
280se coupes, one 280se cabrio, and one 280se sedan with factory issue 
5 speeds. My big regret is not jumping on the 300se sedan w/ 5 speed 
when I had a chance six or seven years ago. M189s make glorious music. 
Had the joy of waking up a late w112 coupe earlier this summer. Those 
motors have such a rich sound to them. Their parts are also priced 
accordingly!

So.. tell me more about your firstborn. Is he or she an apt parts 
washer and floor sweeper?   ;)


Mathieu
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Re: [MBZ] this is not about politics, its about voting

[Bill R]

Larry, let me jump in here with the only serious investigation I am aware of
about such things.  IIRC 3 million votes in Ohio were checked and 7 possible
fraudulent ballots were found.  You need to understand that the fraudulent
registrations seem to stem mostly from paying people otherwise out of work
to fill up registration sheets at so much $ per name. It is very rare that
anyone actually tries to vote with such a registration, and most of the fake
ones were caught by the agency turning them in, but even though they can and
did let the authorities know about the suspected fakes they are still bound
by law to turn them in.  It is pretty much a paper tiger here, though
stories of some earlier days in Chicago and elsewhere do make one wonder.
Others might have a different take, and I am sure Donald is much more up on
this as well as the actual questions in your post.
BillR  

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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] this is not about politics, its about voting

Hi Donald -
Maybe you can help me understand something?   Certain people are not 
allowed to vote - felons, illegal aliens, under 18, dead people, etc.  How 
are those people weeded out of the voting process?   I assume when someone 
fills out the voter registration card they can lie about those things 
designed to prevent them from voting, right?

When does that weeding process happen?  What if a person were elected by

enough fraudulent votes -- would he be removed from office?


Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)ce?

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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: [MBZ] this is not about politics, its about voting


> Regardless of your views on the candidates, I think of myself as enough of

> a patriot that I get a warm fuzzy feeling when thinking about the fact 
> that this years turnout is likely the be the largest in history.  That is 
> a good thing.  I hope everyone knows what a privilege we have in this 
> country to be able to choose our representatives.  People in many 
> countries never get the chance to cast a real vote.  Thank you to all of 
> our nation's veterans who have sacrificed so much throughout our history 
> to defend this great country!
>
> I am having an election night watch party tonight.  We might play 
> electoral bingo and we also have maps of the country.  Each participant 
> will make their prediction for red/blue states and the electoral college 
> totals.  Whoever wins gets a prize!  Should be fun.
>
> Donald H. Snook
> Proud to have voted.
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Re: [MBZ] Is this out of line?

[Bill R]

I would trade the AC system and the sunroof in my 62 for the ones in my 81
SD any time.  Manual slide SR, and two levers on each side to adjust the
heat and where you wanted it to go.  My first MB, and I did love that car.
BillR

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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this out of line?


On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Bill R wrote:

> Your web site pic of your '61 220Sb brings back lots of memories of my 
> '62
> 220Sb.  Part of that is the years I enjoyed driving it and part is 
> that it
> died protecting me.  When I went to the garage that was storing it a 
> few
> months later I didn't even recognize it as my car.  Head on with a 
> drunk in
> a speeding Camero will do that.
> BillR
>

Glad you are still hear to talk about it. Safety is the number one 
reason many of us drive MBs. There are many folks out there that owe 
their lives to the MB that gave its own up for them. My better half is 
one of those folks, too. Her 240D 3.0 was totaled by a full sized work 
van.

That old w111 was a fun car. 4 on the column, no power steering, vent 
windows, 4 wheel drum (until I transplanted front disk from a '62) and 
a wonderful sunroof. Rust eventually claimed that one. As a 
rambunctious and insolent teenager, I used to drive that one like a 
rally car on the seasonal back roads of western NY while in university. 
Scared myself silly very late one night. The snow was deep and 
everything had iced over. If you stopped, you sank in and if you were 
too fast you'd be one with the trees. New meaning to the term "slipping 
and sliding." No one around for miles so getting stuck was not an 
option and it was in the single digits out. Cell phones? Bah, what were 
those! If I balled that one up, they wouldn't find me until the next 
spring. Those were some of the best and worst of times in my life.

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Re: [MBZ] Home again - but none the wiser.

[Bill R]

FYI:  Bill went back to the hospital this afternoon.  Scheduled for a
cardiac cath tomorrow afternoon...sue

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home again - but none the wiser.

Any time you survive a trip to the hospital is a time worth
celebrating! Congratulations!
I suspect that the doctors don't know quite as much as they think they do
---
Glad to see you back - get that much deserved rest.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The concern and well wishes of the group are appreciated, and the kind
words
> about some of my posts, but I do know that when I am a bit off chemically
I
> tend to get verbose.   About the only way to describe what happened is a
> transient congestive heart failure.  My cardiologist said he will have to
> make up something to put in the chart so they will have some proper codes
to
> use for billing and such, but he really doesn't know what happened.  His
> best guess is that the Advair I was on for a month might have caused some
> slight lessening of a particular heart function and with the arrhythmias
> that my AICD takes care of  that was a tipping point for the CHF even
though
> my ejection fraction is really quite good [for someone in my situation .].
> He had seen me in the office a few days before and at that time there were
> no symptoms of CHF coming on.   He said the real problem seems to be that
my
> body had not read the correct medical textbooks so it would know how to
> behave with CHF or abnormal heart rhythms.  No doubt true, and I do like
to
> keep them guessing.   At any rate I am back, but a few hundred emails
behind
> and needing a bit of additional rest to recover from being in the
hospital.
>
> BillR


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[MBZ] Home again

[Bill R]

The many good wishes and prayers are greatly appreciated by both of us.  It
turns out that the fluttering and kinking seen in my coronary grafts don't
seem to be causing much if any problem - though no one can say if it is
related to my chest pain.  This time my cardiologist did a pressure
differential on each side of the [thankfully very healthy] grafts and it
shows little difference - 6% drop.  Trying a new drug - I might have to get
a larger pill case.

 

I am now more than 1k emails behind, so other than the effusive
congratulations for Obama from Kaleb and Donald and some others I'll
probably have to skip most of them that I missed.  Anyone who wrote anything
of major import let me know and I'll search it out  . 

 

Back in the office chair again, if for shortened time periods  - BillR

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Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents

[Bill R]

The timing is about right for my friend to have just gotten done with basic
and EWO school.  Another possibility is that this was a story going around
and told to, or taken by, the new guys as a true story.  Don't know.  I'm
going out to TX to his wedding in January, so if I think of it I will ask
him.
BillR 

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'Don't know - never heard it.  'Did hear about the "wouldn't dare" comment,
though.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:13 PM
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> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > Lemay was long "gone" by then.
>
> So do you know who did torch a B-52, or if it really happened?
> So far, the closest thing I could google up was about Lemay:
>
> http://ajwheat2002.us/recollectionsp11/index.html
> The boss--he's just tough, that's all. He walked out to a bomber once when
the
> ground crew was gassing it up and kept his cigar in his mouth, despite the
heavy
> fume of gas vapors. A Sergeant said "General, better douse that cigar . .
. This
> ship might burn."
> "It wouldn't dare," the boss growled.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bolt cutters

[Bill R]

I believe my uncle used a wood fence to keep his in.  That was a long time
ago, though, and my memory never was what it used to be.
BillR  

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What'd you keep the hogs penned up with in the old days? I'd love to hear
some kind of wire would do the job.  These 16' panels are a pain on uneven
ground.

Regards,
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:34:12 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bolt cutters


Yea, 'thought it may be something like that.  Thanks.  We didn't have any of
that high falutin', store-bought stuff when my Daddy was farming.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bolt cutters


> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:45:19 -0500 "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > "hog panels"?
>
> http://www.stockyardsupply.com/page3/index.htm
>
> http://www.alamofence.com/p345.htm
>
> http://www.kencove.com/fence/Hog+Panels_detail_GXH.php
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Re: [MBZ] Hood star and the people that wear hoods

[Bill R]

Donald, you do have a point that hits me personally, even though the
statistics of that election were a lot less likely to garner support from
those who didn't vote for him than are the results of this election.  By the
time he actually won an election he had done so many things I could not
support that it was pretty difficult then also.  Your point is still valid
though, and I did not support him willingly - nor did I actively seek to
have him fail [as I see in some emails today.]  I will say that I have more
support for him today because of what I think are changes in his methods if
not his policy. As I have said before, I will continue to feel that if he
had gone into office more like he is today he would be able to leave office
more like he entered it. Approval rates in the gutter might seem totally
because of the economy, but I think also reflect the 'cowboy' attitude I saw
in his early years.  I think he has learned a lot from his years in office.
BillR  

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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood star and the people that wear hoods

Gary wrote: "shouldn't we all be rooting for him to do a good job rather
than just be hating on him?"

How many of the Gore/Kerry supporters "rooted" for George W. Bush?  Did you
(in 2004) when he beat Kerry?  He was YOUR president, too.

In fact, ISN'T BUSH YOUR PRESIDENT NOW?

Spare me the "let's all get behind the president."  Was that your attitude
when you were spewing hatred for President Bush?

P.S.  I agree with Hendrik about the use of racial slurs - especially those
words. Its over the line.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Hood star and the people that wear hoods

[Bill R]

>From my experience working with blacks professionally and having a son who
is black,  the use of the  term within the racial group is quite different
than the use of the term from outside the group.  One is 'in the family' and
the other is always an insult.  Remember when Ted Danson used blackface to
deliver what would have been Woopi Goldberg's routine to a black audience?
It would have been funny if she had delivered it, but was offensive [and she
didn't understand why] because he did it.  I can call my brother a
conservative redneck [he is] but anyone outside the family best be careful
how they address one of the people I admire greatly for his personal
character. I don't make the rules, I just call 'em as I see 'em.
BillR   

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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood star and the people that wear hoods

Its kinda funny, my SIL was visiting this weekend, she tutors the 
football players (I think all of them are black) for a big school, we 
watched the game Sat on TV.  I asked her about the use of that term 
amongst the players, she said they use it all the time, calling each 
other that derisive word, on the field they trash talk the opposition 
all the time calling each other that and other of the usual vulgar 
terms.  After one particular tackle in the game, a couple of her boys 
(yes, they are her boys, they call her mom because she parents them and 
she calls them her boys) were standing over the tacklee, she said I know 
what they're saying to him right now and proceeded to say it.  She talks 
to them about it, they just laugh at her saying it is no big deal.  She 
finds it easy to argue with a 6'8" 375lb guy!

Kinda makes you wonder how bad it really is, when it is a common term 
amongst those who should be finding it most offensive.  Intellectually I 
understand how it has become that way, but it still makes me wonder.

--R

Donald Snook wrote:
> P.S.  I agree with Hendrik about the use of racial slurs - especially
those words. Its over the line.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Hood star and the people that wear hoods

[Bill R]

My apologies Kaleb and list.  I had not noticed that this was to the MBZ
group and not to Banned.  I do need to check that before I respond to a
political comment.
BillR

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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood star and the people that wear hoods

Donald, you do have a point that hits me personally, even though the
statistics of that election were a lot less likely to garner support from
those who didn't vote for him than are the results of this election.  By the
time he actually won an election he had done so many things I could not
support that it was pretty difficult then also.  Your point is still valid
though, and I did not support him willingly - nor did I actively seek to
have him fail [as I see in some emails today.]  I will say that I have more
support for him today because of what I think are changes in his methods if
not his policy. As I have said before, I will continue to feel that if he
had gone into office more like he is today he would be able to leave office
more like he entered it. Approval rates in the gutter might seem totally
because of the economy, but I think also reflect the 'cowboy' attitude I saw
in his early years.  I think he has learned a lot from his years in office.
BillR  

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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood star and the people that wear hoods

Gary wrote: "shouldn't we all be rooting for him to do a good job rather
than just be hating on him?"

How many of the Gore/Kerry supporters "rooted" for George W. Bush?  Did you
(in 2004) when he beat Kerry?  He was YOUR president, too.

In fact, ISN'T BUSH YOUR PRESIDENT NOW?

Spare me the "let's all get behind the president."  Was that your attitude
when you were spewing hatred for President Bush?

P.S.  I agree with Hendrik about the use of racial slurs - especially those
words. Its over the line.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Nukes the size of a garden shed!

[Bill R]

This was featured on CNN this afternoon.  The first 4,000 are going to
industrial sites.
BillR

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10. NUCLEAR POWER: Los Alamos-developed micro-reactors could be available in
five years (11/10/2008)

Nuclear power plants smaller than a garden shed and able to power 20,000
homes will be on the market within five years, according to scientists at
Los Alamos, the U.S. government laboratory that developed the first atomic
bomb.

The miniature reactors will be factory-sealed, contain no weapons-grade
material, have no moving parts and will be nearly impossible to steal
because they will be encased in concrete and buried underground. An
application to build the plants, which must be refueled every 7 to 10 years,
will be submitted to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission next year.

New Mexico-based Hyperion, the company to which the government has licensed
the technology, said last week it has taken its first firm orders and plans
to start mass production within five years. The reactors will cost about $25
million (£13 million) each. John Deal, CEO of Hyperion, said many of the
orders are from the oil and electricity industries, but the company is also
targeting developing countries and isolated communities. Hyperion plans to
set up three factories to produce 4,000 plants between 2013 and 2023.

Hyperion is not the only company designing micro-reactors. Toshiba has been
testing 200-kilowatt reactors designed to fuel a smaller number of homes for
a longer time period
(*Greenwire*,
May 5).

"You could never have a Chernobyl-type event -- there are no moving parts,"
Deal said. "You would need nation-state resources in order to enrich our
uranium. Temperature-wise it's too hot to handle. It would be like stealing
a barbecue with your bare hands" (Vidal/Rosen, London
*Guardian*,
Nov. 9). *-- KJH*
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Re: [MBZ] OT: anyone have one of those Asus Eee micro-notebooks? - BT keyboard

[Bill R]

I have toyed with getting a phone with a large screen, like my Ipaq [240 x
320, and can be oriented any all four directions,] but never been wiling to
pay for the service. I send ATT $25 every three months to keep my number and
have it available in an emergency. There are a lot of BT keyboards
available.  My main reason for plugging the iGO Stowaway is that on my used
keyboard the stand broke a few months ago and they just sent me a
replacement.  No charge, no questions about if I was the original owner, or
'this unit is out of production' comments.  They just replaced it.  I like
that sort of service.  It is a bit of a hassle to set up and connect the BT
keyboard and mouse, but it does make the experience of using it for writing
much easier.  The main problem is that wile each of the components fit
easily into a pocket, with the keyboard that is all that will fit in the
pocket, and I don’t think any of them are very appreciative of the torque
the a rear pocket would put on them.  Great investment for a limited number
of occasions and users. I carry a bag that holds all my extras for the
computer and all my diabetic supplies, when I remember to take it with me.
BillR  

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On Behalf Of Luther
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:20 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: anyone have one of those Asus Eee micro-notebooks?

My phone, the Samsung Blackjack II, can do all of that except the WiFi. 
I've toyed with the idea of getting a bluetooth keyboard for it.

Luther

Bill R wrote:
> Allan - for a super compact travel machine I am still very happy with my
> IPAQ Rx5915.  I wear it on a belt clip and use the touch pad for short
> messages, and have a Stowaway iGo Bluetooth keyboard [with built in stand
> for keeping the IPAQ at the proper angle] and mouse for more intensive
> writing and editing [I am currently into a 21 page document written
entirely
> on this pocket pc, and have done several 10 page ones.]  In addition it
has
> a full feature TomTom built in and mp3 with a decent stereo output [I also
> use a Bluetooth stereo headset, but wired is easier] and don’t use that
very
> often anyway. Were I to take the time and trouble it is also capable of
> playing movies, but I have only done that a few times and never gotten
more
> than a half or quarter screen shot, though full screen is available. It
has
> about 2 gig built in file memory plus the main memory, and I have a 4 gig
SD
> card for storing all the extra stuff.  I keep a couple of hundred full
> length novels, 6 or 8 full length movies, Word, Excel, Internet Explorer
and
> Outlook, and a dozen or so other apps and games. It has built in WiFi as
> well as Bluetooth, and were I to have a Bluetooth cell phone it should be
> able to surf the web as well as connect to use IE and Outlook from
anywhere
> there is cell service as well as using the hotspots as I do now. The PC
> interface lets everything in Outlook automatically update every time I
sync
> with my computer.  It is far from perfect, but for a few hundred dollars I
> can set up a portable office at a café or library or my dining room [if
all
> the household computers are busy] and have everything I need. It's great
for
> travelling, which I did before I retired.  I bought all of it used on
eBay,
> but do recommend the warranty as I have had a couple of them go bad within
a
> year, and they were replaced free.  I have often wished for a tablet PC or
> laptop, but this is pretty good and a lot less cumbersome to transport.
> BillR
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Re: [MBZ] Thank you to the Veterans

[Bill R]

Yes!
BillR
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On Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:23 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Thank you to the Veterans

I know we have several veterans on here and I also know that we have thanked
them previously for their efforts.  But, it bears repeating.

Thank you to all of our veterans. Those who served and came back and to
those that did not return.

Thank you also the Gold Star Mothers (and Fathers) who raised their children
to serve and who now must bear the pain of their child's sacrifice.

We are grateful.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT: anyone have one of those Asus Eee micro-notebooks?

[Bill R]

Allan - for a super compact travel machine I am still very happy with my
IPAQ Rx5915.  I wear it on a belt clip and use the touch pad for short
messages, and have a Stowaway iGo Bluetooth keyboard [with built in stand
for keeping the IPAQ at the proper angle] and mouse for more intensive
writing and editing [I am currently into a 21 page document written entirely
on this pocket pc, and have done several 10 page ones.]  In addition it has
a full feature TomTom built in and mp3 with a decent stereo output [I also
use a Bluetooth stereo headset, but wired is easier] and don’t use that very
often anyway. Were I to take the time and trouble it is also capable of
playing movies, but I have only done that a few times and never gotten more
than a half or quarter screen shot, though full screen is available. It has
about 2 gig built in file memory plus the main memory, and I have a 4 gig SD
card for storing all the extra stuff.  I keep a couple of hundred full
length novels, 6 or 8 full length movies, Word, Excel, Internet Explorer and
Outlook, and a dozen or so other apps and games. It has built in WiFi as
well as Bluetooth, and were I to have a Bluetooth cell phone it should be
able to surf the web as well as connect to use IE and Outlook from anywhere
there is cell service as well as using the hotspots as I do now. The PC
interface lets everything in Outlook automatically update every time I sync
with my computer.  It is far from perfect, but for a few hundred dollars I
can set up a portable office at a café or library or my dining room [if all
the household computers are busy] and have everything I need. It's great for
travelling, which I did before I retired.  I bought all of it used on eBay,
but do recommend the warranty as I have had a couple of them go bad within a
year, and they were replaced free.  I have often wished for a tablet PC or
laptop, but this is pretty good and a lot less cumbersome to transport.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:31 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OT: anyone have one of those Asus Eee micro-notebooks?

I see them at Target for $250, wondering if anyone has tried one.  They
come with a Linux-based OS.  Seems like it might be nice for a
super-compact travel machine to use for email, surfing, ssh for remote
server support, etc.

   http://eeepc.asus.com/us/product.htm

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] I need a GPO

[Bill R]

At least the first update on the TomTom built into my IPAQ Rx5915 was free -
a new map of the US and Canada [I think, never been there - it does cover
Alaska].  1.7 gig download.  Don't know about another later this year.  Not
worth it for me to spend money on it as nothing I do is that critical.  I do
like the voice prompts telling me which lane to get into after a turn - at
times very helpful when in an unfamiliar city. 
BillR 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:31 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I need a GPO

I use a 5 year old Garmin.  Maps I update every 2 years at cost of $150.
I bought my wife a refurbish Garmin from Tiger, cost was $80 or so, latest
mars.  It works FINE.
More money buys toys and whistles, I just wanted a GPS.
IMHO, voice prompts are useless and distracting.  I just have mine set to
chime at an upcoming change of direction.

YMMV,

Pete


 -- Original message --
From: "Anthony Galioto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I am going to get my daughter a GPO for this Christmas. The more I look at
> them the more confused I get.  I  have narrowed down to the Garmin nouvi
360
> or the Tomtom XL 330-s. She doesn't need all the extra bells and whistles
> only good navigation.  I would like the 4.5 inch screen, but it's not
> necessary and text to sound feature. My budget is 200 dollars.  She is in
> the NYC area but travels into all the nearby states. I would like to buy
in
> a store so if it doesn't work properly I can return it without the
shipping
> back and forth.
> I was told that the maps supplied with the units are not up to date.  That
> to update them it will cost an additional 70-100  dollars, not a free
update
> to the purchaser.  Is that true?
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Re: [MBZ] flare tool - Wilton's story

[Bill R]

Great story.  Usually people can get along pretty well, but governments have
problems.  I suspect it is much like the difference between meeting/passing
someone on the sidewalk and passing the same person in a car.  People are
often much nicer in person than when they have some anonymity and are
surrounded by sheet metal or 'policy.'.
BillR. 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:30 PM
To: mercedes
Subject: [MBZ] flare tool


'Reminds me of a night in Greenland in 1978.  I was Director of Engineering
at Sondrestrom Air Base, now known as Kangerlussuaq.  Early evening I was in
my room reading and listening to classical music; phone rang; Base Commander
asked me to go over to Officer's Club and talk to a NASA guy about a problem
with one of their aircraft.  They were there with a Cessna Citation and a
Boeing 707 doing high altitude atmospheric research with National Science
Foundation.

At the club, Base Commander introduced me to the NASA guy.  Base Commander
knew that I had also been an aircraft and engine mechanic (maintenance crew
chief) before I was commissioned and went to B-52's.  NASA guy had just
discovered a problem with the braking (or steering - can't be sure which
now) system on forward landing gear of their Cessna Citation.  A small,
U-shaped piece of stainless steel 3000 psi hydraulic line was cracked and
leaking.  They needed to fly one more mission with the Cessna to be finished
for the season.  If they couldn't find or make a replacement for the part
locally, they were going to fly the 707 to Los Angeles and back over the
next coupla days to get a part.  After the NASA guy described the problem, I
told him that I may be able to help - I'd certainly try - I don't give up
very easily.

We jumped in my truck and went to the hanger to look at the leaking part.
It was a U-shaped piece of 1/4 inch stainless steel tubing with each leg of
the U less than 2 inches long with a flare and a compression nut on each
end.  I vaguely remembered that I had seen some 1/4 inch stainless steel
tubing in a hanger that was used by the NY Air National Guard for their
summer C-130 operations on the Greenland ice cap.  We removed the offending
part and took it with us to the National Guard hanger.  In the hanger, I
could see a bundle of the appropriate stainless steel tubing several feet
away on the inside of a shop secured by an 8 feet tall chainlink fence
topped by strands of barbed wire.  We drug a work table from across the
hanger up to the fence; I jumped up on the table and went over the fence
onto another table inside the fence, walked across the shop, got a piece of
the tubing and stuck it thru the fence to the NASA guy.  'Back up on the
table inside the shop and back over the fence.

Still not sure we'd be able to make a proper part, I stopped by to ask my
Danish civilian contractor chief engineer if he may like to help.  Years
before, he'd been chief engineer on Danish sea-going merchant vessels.  He
was VERY enthusiastic as we rushed to our Base Civil Engineering ground
equipment shop, hoping to find the tools to help us make the appropriate
part.  When we walked into the shop, we interrupted a card game of several
Danish civilian contractor workmen/mechanics.  When they realized what we
were doing, they were all anxious to help and rushed to find three or four
plumbing flaring tools in this shop and the plumbing shop nearby.  These
tools were for copper tubing, of course, but we forged ahead.

Soon, there were at least half a dozen well-experienced mechanics in
friendly competion to make, bend, flare, etc., the perfect replacement part
for the Cessna.  Special problems, of course, were: the 180 degree bend in
such a short piece of stainless tubing, short sides of the U leaving little
room to form the flare on each end and have the compression nut in the right
place on each side also.  The replacement had to be exactly like the
original - couldn't be longer because of landing gear retraction
restrictions (space in the wheel well).  After several tries, we had an
acceptable match visually.  'Rushed to the aircraft and installed it for a
PERFECT fit.  The aircraft flew its mission the next day and flew home to
Los Angeles the next.

'Just a small part of my very enjoyable foreign relations experience and an
excellent example of Danish mechanics' innovation and desire to excell.
'Much like our Jim Cathey.

Wilton

> I had a nice snap on that would do normal and double flares.  They
> only have double flare dies for us sizes, not metric, but I was able
> to make double flares with practice.
>
> The last time i needed double flares, I used my cheap flare tool and
> just bought the 1/8" double flare die from snappy.  it worked to make
> double flares for MB 110 brake lines.  I have never seen a tool that
> makes 37degree JIC flares.  The only place I have seen the JIC flare
> used is hydraulics, and you do

Re: [MBZ] Stealership theft again

[Bill R]

Right on with the radio.  I would never take a vehicle back to the dealer if
there is a halfway decent MB shop in the area.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:29 PM
To: mercedes
Subject: [MBZ] Stealership theft again

Son with the '07 R320CDI just called to ask my opinion of latest stealership
scam on 'im:

Month or so ago, he had the vehicle in for bunch of warranty work, including
inop stereo/tape/CD system.  They did everything but the stereo - 'had to
order parts.  'Called him coupla days ago to tell 'im parts are in.  'Been
driving it more every  day, of course; 'took it in today, and they told him
he'd have to pay labor to repair stereo 'cause NOW, it's out of warranty
because of the additional miles since they ordered the parts for 'im.  I
told him, "That's BS!  They knew about it and ordered parts while it was
under warranty; they should complete the job under the warranty!"  They're
also trying to tack on lots of other crap, such as "sanitize AC, etc.,
etc." - long list of crap to run the bill up.  I told son, "Most of that's
BS, too!"  That's why we call 'em stealerships.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] OT: your government at its absolute finest

[Bill R]

And then there was the @ 50 year old patient at a VA facility my wife was
working at whose mother came in regularly to breastfeed him.  Think there
might be some social weirdness going on there? 
BillR

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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:41 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: your government at its absolute finest

I am doing a pre-admission report right now on someone we will start giving
services to in the near future. Going through his various social histories,
here's what has been given over time as his diagnosis:

ADHD, Ausperger's Syndrome, MR (70-76), Borderline Intellectual Functioning,
Schizophrenia, Depression, Mathematics Disorder, Disorder of Written
Expression, Developmental Coordination Disorder, Adjustment Disorder with
Mixed Disturbance of Emotions, Parent-Child Relational Problem, Adolescent
Antisocial Behavior, Identity Problem, Passive-Aggressive Personality
Disorder, and tendencies toward antisocial personality. (Satanic Worship and
an addiction to professional wrestling are also mentioned but I don't think
they are included in the DSM IV -- yet.)
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Re: [MBZ] your government at its absolute finest - ADHD

[Bill R]

I think the way the psychiatrist was able to be sure of my diagnosis of ADD
- after a screening interview [and I am most happy I nor my son were ADHD] -
was that I could take up to two or three times the dose of Ritalin with no
change in effect, save the ability to do things like read a newspaper or
focus on a project for more than a few minutes.  He gave me what he thought
was the appropriate dosage and suggested that I try that for a few days,
then try more or less to see the effect.  I tried doses of 'speed' that
would probably have put someone without ADD into a wild trip, and felt no
different with no meds, 1x, 2x, 3x or 4x the prescribed dose.  Not an exact
science there.  A friend who has two ADHD kids says the that when his son
was young he could not get through a meal without climbing on the chair, up
on the table, and down on the floor almost continuously.  That is ADHD, but
I am sure to most people all 10 year old boys seem to have it.
BillR 

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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:04 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] your government at its absolute finest

seems the idea today is that all kids are "mental" and must be drugged into
submission, no?

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > i don't know if it is "real" or not.  i don't know if it is "real" at
> > all.
>
> Bottom line, you can't rely on a diagnosis from the school.  My son's
> 4th grade teacher told him and a group of his friends that they all had
> ADHD.  They were all just normal 10 year old boys in my view.
>
> Allan
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>
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Re: [MBZ] E300D Wagon

[Bill R]

That is going to be one big coffin, or a much larger than usual urn.
BillR

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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] E300D Wagon

I' gonna keep my 1983 300TD forever!




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Re: [MBZ] Beautiful 140 Coupe

[Bill R]

Ouch - my mind.
BillR

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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Beautiful 140 Coupe

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Wagon:
> http://www.auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=BMLI3390014

Amazing. Not one person looked at that link and posted a reply just to say 
"Ouch! My eyes!"

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] $4.28 Trillion and counting

[Bill R]

...and I would not expect that it was divided up so evenly, though I'd be
less ticked off ...
BillR

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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:46 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $4.28 Trillion and counting

Goldman, which sustained modest losses in the past year, is expected to
pay as much as $13 billion in bonuses this year, down 35 percent from a
record $20.2 billion last year. That amounts to an average $420,000 for
every banker, analyst and secretary.

Where is my pitchfork and torch!



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> http://www.cnbc.com/id/27719011
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Re: [MBZ] $4.28 Trillion and counting

[Bill R]

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:26 AM

 Some of the firms (CitiGroup) are realizing how bad this looks from a
publicity standpoint and are canceling the executive bonuses this year.

Allan >>>

Cancelled bonuses and 53,000 lost jobs.  I wonder how those breakdown on the
salary scale?
BillR


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Re: [MBZ] Diesels need big jumper cables

[Bill R]

On several occasion in my varied past I have used two sets of cables between
the cars to get enough power.  That seemed to overcome the problems of a
single small set.
BillR  

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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels need big jumper cables

Does O or OO even fit in the spare tire well?

-Rolf

Loren Faeth wrote:
> We all learn that lesson the hard way.  BTDT.  Smart Dieselvolk on the
> list will take note and remember, thus saving much frustration when
> the time comes.  Carry big cables, or don't bother.  4 is on the small
> side, but a good compromise for portability.  0 Ga is good, but
> awkward to use and move!
>
> At 02:06 PM 11/18/2008, you wrote:
>>  Yes we all know how Marshall used to speak of the need for hefty
>> cables in the jump starting of diesels.  I offer a recent experience
>> on that subject.
>>
>>  My 83 300SD would not start after being shut off for only 15
>> minutes while I was in voting.  No click, no lights, no nothing.  My
>> first thought was I voted wrong.  About the only thing unusual was I
>> had parked in a place with the driver's side of the car tilted up. 
>> Thinking maybe the battery had shifted and something was not making
>> contact, I satisfied myself that all was right.  (It turned out the
>> battery, which was seven years old, had failed internally.)  A 
>> fellow citizen offered to jump start me.  He was equipped with
>> cables, he explained, because  he often had to jump start the little
>> SUV he was driving.  I noticed his cables were flimsy but he was
>> helpful and I knew that all I needed was to get my MB engine just
>> half turned over and it would fire.  We connected the cables and he
>> sped up his engine.  I had dash instruments!  But that was about
>> all.  No movement from the starter.  We shut off, banged on the
>> starter, connected, let his engine run five minutes, still no luck. 
>> By now I'm thinking it must be the starter at fault.  I return  with
>> tools, tow chain, wife and her little SUV..  My plan is to pull the
>> MB out of the place I had parked it and try coast starting it. 
>> However I will first try to jump start it again with my cables which
>> are 4 gauge.  It starts like a shot!  I had thought the small cables
>> would have at least given the starter enough juice to groan it over
>> slowly.  But it doesn't seem to work that way.  In my case the heavy
>> duty cables were necessary to get any action at all.  I now carry a
>> set in the car.
>>
>>  Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
>>
>>  They said they would rather be outlaws a year in Sherwood Forest
>> than President of the United States forever.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] $4.28 Trillion and counting

[Bill R]

I'll have to go with Allen on this one.  Economics is not a zero sum game.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] $4.28 Trillion and counting

"OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> This is an economic issue, and economics is "the science which studies
> human behaviour as a relationship between ends and scarce means which
> have alternative uses."
> Hence, every million that executive gets is $1 that you and 999,999
> others can't get. It does affect you -

No, the economy is not a static pool of X number of dollars wherein if I
have one more dollar then someone else must have one less.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] $4.28 Trillion and counting

[Bill R]

I just knew you'd understand.
BillR 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] $4.28 Trillion and counting

it is when money goes out of your pockets so the filthy rich can pay
themselves huge christmas bonuses

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'll have to go with Allen on this one.  Economics is not a zero sum game.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:36 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] $4.28 Trillion and counting
>
> "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > This is an economic issue, and economics is "the science which studies
> > human behaviour as a relationship between ends and scarce means which
> > have alternative uses."
> > Hence, every million that executive gets is $1 that you and 999,999
> > others can't get. It does affect you -
>
> No, the economy is not a static pool of X number of dollars wherein if I
> have one more dollar then someone else must have one less.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Heat pump freezing up

[Bill R]

>From my [very limited] experience turning on the AC would well have fixed
the problem in short order. Maybe.  One suggestion that we just had to deal
with - though ours was the other direction: there is a changeover valve in
the unit that switches it from heat to cool and back.  After a few days of
chilly weather ours stuck in the middle and for the next couple of weeks all
it would do is freeze up the air handler and one of the outside pipes.  Our
friendly neighborhood AC repair guy switched it back and forth a few times
and all was right with our world again.  Having the heat on the frozen heat
exchanger thawed it in record time. He didn't even charge me.  I lucked out
on that one.
BillR

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OT Heat pump freezing up

So we bought this new house that has a heat pump for heat and AC, forced 
air.  Got into low 30Fs last night, so had the heat on.  I hear it 
running all night long but this morning it is like 60F in the house, and 
I am not a fat man.  I go out to look at the unit and the coil (which I 
guess is an evaporator coil now in heat mode) has about 1/2" of thick 
frost on the inside and outside, all frozen so no air is getting around 
the coil, which I guess is why it is extracting no heat from the outside 
air. 

I went at it with a heat gun but that will take all day, and it is not 
getting the inside of the coil thawed.  I put a box fan on top where the 
other fan blows air, it is about 42F now so that might be enough after a 
while to thaw it out.

So this does not seem to be a normal operating mode for these things if 
they can't keep up on a not really that cold night.  Is this thing 
undersized so it has to run too much?  I am not enthused about having to 
buy another unit right now as this thing seems to run OK, though I 
noticed it struggled too in AC mode this past summer.  Can't see the 
other coil to see if the AC mode was freezing it when it was 
evaporating.  It is a Heil unit, I think those are fairly good brands.  
I'm wondering if it needs a charge or something, that seems to be the 
only kind of service that could be done, but can't really see how that 
would solve the issue.

I thought about turning on the AC mode and running it a bit to thaw out 
the coils, but that will drop the house temp even lower!

Thoughts?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News

[Bill R]

I'd like to borrow a few million to fix up my house, many times it's actual
worth, in fact.  I'll promise to make it all disappear in just a short time
and be a bad risk so you will be high on the handout list.
BillR

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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News

Allan wrote <>


The :"Bank of LarryT" is having its Grand Opening Tomorrow -
'-)

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News


> "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>> I keep looking for some national figure to say the govt meddling caused
>> the  problem, the bail out was a waste of money and the more the govt 
>> messes
>> with it the worse it gets!
>
> If nothing else, and at a painfully high cost, it seems to me that the
> light might be flickering on here and there about this, with the fiasco
> that is the financial sector bail out, and the proposed auto industry
> bail-out, and a number of states lining up at the trough, and companies
> buying or "becoming" banks (e.g. American Express) just to become
> eligible for bail out dollars I've heard a few people realizing that
> this is just an open sewer hole that we're pouring our money into, and
> where will it end...
>
> I'm probably being overly optimistic.
>
> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/Why it works in Brazil/Stolen from OTC Journal

[Bill R]

It's been more than a few years since I lived in corn growing country.  IIRC
only a small portion of the corn crops actually end up as corn on our
plates.  Much of it ends up as corn syrup or feed.  Anyone know about that?
BillR 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/Why it works in Brazil/Stolen from OTC Journal

Larry,

So, you are telling us that sugar beets grow in soil that no food crop will
grow on? Maybe they grow them on rocks? I don't think so - every acre used
to grow sugar beets could be used to grow food and this represents a loss of
food stocks. Matter of fact, we grow sugar beets here in the US as a food
product - sugar! Sorry to disappoint you but you are being fed a load of BS.

On the flip side, both cane & beets produce more ethanol per acre than corn
but only because the entire corn stalk & ear can't be converted. We convert
only the corn kernels which comprise a small percentage of the entire corn
plant. Some extremely intelligent researchers in this country have figured
out how to convert the rest through the use of the right enzymes & process
but the process is not economical yet. Once they figure it out, we can eat
the corn & convert the corn stalks to ethanol - the best of both worlds!

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/Why it works in Brazil/Stolen from OTC Journal

Doesn't one of the S American countries make their Ethanol from the Sugar 
Beet - which removes the loss of food stocks aspect - can't recall which one

it is --

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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.
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol/Why it works in Brazil/Stolen from OTC Journal


> Ethanol works in Brazil. Unlike the United States' corn ethanol program, 
> the
> Brazilian sugar cane ethanol program makes good economic sense, and has
> allowed Brazil to become energy independent. Prior to the 1980's Brazil 
> was
> dependent on oil imports just as the US is now. Today, Brazil produces 
> enough cheap
> Ethanol to provide for 60% of its fossil fuel needs for vehicles. Only 40%

> comes
> from gasoline.
>
> Running vehicles on Ethanol in Brazil dates back to World War I. In 1919,
> the Governor of northern province Pernambuco mandated all government 
> vehicles
> run on Ethanol. The first major plant went into full scale production in 
> 1927,
> and a year later there were 500 vehicles in the region running on the pure
> stuff.
>
> Today, Brazil produces 33% of the world's Ethanol, second only to the US 
> in
> pure quantity. In 1976 the Brazilian government implemented its first 
> mandate-
> it required all light vehicles to run on at least 10% ethanol. By 2003, 
> the
> number moved up to 20%, and today there are more than 6 million "flex 
> fuel"
> vehicles on the road that can run on anywhere from 10% ethanol to 100% 
> ethanol.
> In short, Brazil is 30 years ahead of the United States in practical 
> Ethanol
> use.
>
> Let's move on to the main theme- why does Ethanol work so well in Brazil,
> but is a flawed strategy in the United States? It's simple- it relates to 
> the
> raw material costs used to create Ethanol. The Ethanol model derived from 
> sugar
> cane works- The Ethanol model derived from corn does not work.
>
> I received a lot of emails on last week's article where I described the 
> US's
> use of Ethanol as a "$7 billion waste of money". There were arguments on 
> both
> sides. I appreciate your feedback. Now, here are the facts. I'll let you
> decide if my conclusions are accurate.
>
> These are 2007 statistics:
> .  Brazil produced 5 million gallons, the US produced 6.5 million
> .  Brazil used 3.6 million hectares of land, the US used 10 
> million
> .  Brazil yielded 7,000 to 8,000 liters per hectare, the US 
> yielded
> 3,800 to 4,000 liters per hectare
> .  Brazil yielded 8.3 to 10.2 units of energy for 1 invested, the 
> US
> yielded 1.3 to 1.6 for 1 invested
> .  Brazil's share of market in ethanol- 50%- US share of market in
> ethanol- 4%
> .  Brazil's cost of production- $.83 per gallon- US cost of
> production- $1.14
> .  Brazil's government subsidy- 0- US government subsidy- $.51 per
> gallon ($7 billion of taxpayer money).
>
> You tell me- whose strategy worked?
>
> In the mid 70's and into the Arab oil embargo of the 80's the Brazilians
> stuck with their commitment to Ethanol as an alternative fuel. When the 
> price of
> oil soared over $100 earlier this year, the Brazilians benefited greatly 
>

Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News

[Bill R]

Reminds me of a few conversations I have recently with folks who insist Bush
has had no real part in the financial problems of our country.  It was all
Clinton's fault, and by the way, going into Serbia/Croatia/etc. was
equivalent to Iraq.  Clinton was the warmonger also.  Is this what the
right-wing radio folks are putting out these days?  Should we move this to
banned?
BillR

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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News

The sad part for us is that no one will blame him for anything, it will all 
be Bush's fault for four years, even when he can't keep all those promises. 
No pressure, no worry.

Harry

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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News


> Well the reason for this is a first-order consequence of electing a rookie

> who has absolutely no experience related to the job he wants, no deep ties

> to the establishment, no relationships built up over the years.  So he 
> looks around, sees who might actually know something about how stuff 
> works, finds a bunch of retreads who have been hanging around for a few 
> years Hoping for Change, and he grabs them up.  Pretty soon they start 
> telling him this and that, what does he know, so that is what he does.  I 
> suppose they'll help him keep his head above water for a coupla years 
> until he figures stuff out on his own, if he is not too insulated from it 
> all by this crowd or they don't get him in too deep.  He'll be struggling 
> with them as well as whatever issues arise, kinda hard on a guy trying to 
> make Change.  Bush did it too, got people from his daddy's admin, after a 
> few years I think he sorted through some of them but they swayed him a 
> lot.
>
> [Note:  None of this expresses any subjective political partisanship, just

> reality]
>
> --R
>
> Allan Streib wrote:
>> "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>>
>>> I know people have differing political viewpoints, that is all well and 
>>> good, but I don't see how anyone could think this woman should be 
>>> anywhere near anything important to peoples' lives given her past 
>>> performance (which is likely indicative of future performance).
>>
>> The whole administration is shaping up to be a bunch of Clinton-era
>> retreads.  Was this the "change" we expected?  If they wanted this, why
>> did the Democrats reject Hillary in their primaries?
>>
>> Allan
>>
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[MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

First, let me say we have some weird things in our home.   The kitchen drain
is at the start of what might well be its own line to the septic tank.  The
trap leads back to the front wall of the house, then does a 90 turn
expanding to a 2.5" or 3" copper pipe that has a flat 8' run, then does a 90
down [it is copper into the wall, no idea what material beyond that]  then
it is in a direct line with the septic tank, but would need to go either
under or around the master bedroom/bath, and might tap in there. The
kitchen sink started to back up, so I am at it with my snake [which will go
as far as the 90 down turn] and that hits nothing.  Next is the expanding
ball that I use to blow out clogs.  That will run for as long as I want, but
that only mimics a slow drain, and makes no difference to a slow leak.  The
sink backs up after a 30 seconds of the water being turned on, then drains
down slowly.   Friendly local hardware store sold me copper sulfate to kill
what sounded like roots clogging the line.  Now the problem:  The first
warning on the copper sulfate is to use it only in a toilet, and not to use
it in a sink or tub as it will corrode the metal drain.  I can protect the
sink drain if the chrome finish on that is the only problem, but is there
any chance the copper sulfate would damage a copper pipe or the metal pipes
under the sink?  Doesn't seem like it would, but this sort of thing is not
my field, and I would really hate to have to replace the big copper pipe
that runs behind my tiled in  kitchen cabinets.

Ideas appreciated - TIA

BillR

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding was Re: rear end questions

[Bill R]

I have to tell one on my son here.  He has a Miata that he added a high
volume turbo to [he was a mechanic at the time] and a few other custom parts
that did tweak it up a good bit.  It would get along quite well.  Coming
back from retraining in computers out in the Midwest somewhere he was
letting it out more than a bit too much in some open area, came over the top
of a hill and there was Smokey waiting for such as he.  He had been going at
a speed that would have gotten his car confiscated and had him looking at
the wrong side of some local bars where they don't get service by cute
waitresses.  Fortunately he had slowed down a bit for the hill, but not
nearly enough.  Just as the officer was pulling out after him a muscle car
came screaming over the same hill going probably 125 MPH or more. The
officer ignored him and took off after the muscle car.  That did prove a
wakeup call and he put himself into permanent slower mode.  He had recently
made sergeant, and thinking how that would have looked on his record was
sobering.  Cutting it a bit too close, but he got lucky.
BillR 

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:38 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Speeding was Re: rear end questions

Randy wrote: "Even if one assumes a 75 mph speed limit, 129 is mort than 50
mph over the limit. That sort of thing often equates to large fines, seized
vehicles and taking the bus to work for a few months."

I agree and I don't think I will ever drive 120 mph (at least not again).  I
did test out the fuel cut-off switch on my Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera.  At 110
the fuel cuts off and the car starts bucking and jerking until you get below
110.  But, I had a good excuse.  I was going from Topeka, Kansas to
Lawrence, Kansas on the turnpike.  I was running late for the Washburn Law
Golf tournament.  I couldn't be late.  I knew all the Troopers on that
section of the turnpike.  But, I don't think I will be going that fast
anytime soon.

When I am out in Western Kansas and the roads are wide open and flat I will
routinely drive 95-100 - at least in my old 300SEL.  Once that big car got
going, it would really fly.  I haven't tried it in the Volvo. I wonder how
many RPM's that little four cylinder would be turning at that speed.

I once got pulled over going 100 in Arkansas.  My grandfather had died. I
was racing down to the Mississippi gulf coast to meet my father.  I had my
ticket in hand. I told the cop why I was speeding and showed him the plane
ticket to show my urgency.  He didn't give me a ticket, but told me to slow
down.


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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

That might well end up being what is needed.  The problem is that it is in
the corner of the kitchen at the deep end of a 6' cabinet.  You have to
clean out the cabinet and climb inside it in order to get to where it goes
into the wall, and the elbow is inside the wall.  I'm afraid we would have
to remove the stove and cut out the side of the cabinet to get in there.
Not the worst thing in the world.  It sure would be nice to have way into
the pipe, though.
BillR
  

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

Cut the pipe after the bend and install a cleanout "wye", snake it from
there.  Or replace the 90 down bend with a tee and fit a cleanout plug
on the "top" of the tee.

   vcleanout "plug"
 |---|
 |   |
 |   +
 | 
 |   +----
 |   |
 |   |
 |   |

"Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> First, let me say we have some weird things in our home.   The kitchen
drain
> is at the start of what might well be its own line to the septic tank.
The
> trap leads back to the front wall of the house, then does a 90 turn
> expanding to a 2.5" or 3" copper pipe that has a flat 8' run, then does a
90
> down [it is copper into the wall, no idea what material beyond that]  then
> it is in a direct line with the septic tank, but would need to go either
> under or around the master bedroom/bath, and might tap in there. The
> kitchen sink started to back up, so I am at it with my snake [which will
go
> as far as the 90 down turn] and that hits nothing.  Next is the expanding
> ball that I use to blow out clogs.  That will run for as long as I want,
but
> that only mimics a slow drain, and makes no difference to a slow leak.
The
> sink backs up after a 30 seconds of the water being turned on, then drains
> down slowly.   Friendly local hardware store sold me copper sulfate to
kill
> what sounded like roots clogging the line.  Now the problem:  The first
> warning on the copper sulfate is to use it only in a toilet, and not to
use
> it in a sink or tub as it will corrode the metal drain.  I can protect the
> sink drain if the chrome finish on that is the only problem, but is there
> any chance the copper sulfate would damage a copper pipe or the metal
pipes
> under the sink?  Doesn't seem like it would, but this sort of thing is not
> my field, and I would really hate to have to replace the big copper pipe
> that runs behind my tiled in  kitchen cabinets.
>
> Ideas appreciated - TIA
>
> BillR

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News

[Bill R]

Allan - the only radio I ever have on is NPR, so I really don't know what
the 'right wing radio' is saying.  I do know that the last guy I talked
about this with is a devotee of Rush. 
BillR

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"Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Reminds me of a few conversations I have recently with folks who
> insist Bush has had no real part in the financial problems of our
> country.  It was all Clinton's fault, and by the way, going into
> Serbia/Croatia/etc. was equivalent to Iraq.  Clinton was the warmonger
> also.  Is this what the right-wing radio folks are putting out these
> days?

Do you listen to "right wing" radio?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

Thanks Loren.  I was assuming it was something like that but it does help to
know.  Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out from the spot
it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the kitchen.  I now have a
12" x 12" hole in the entry hall wall just in case we could put a cleanout
there.  Not really any way, though maybe inside the cabinet.  We took the
big copper pipe off entirely - and it was about eaten through - and will
replace it with pvc. A snake going down the cast iron pipe back there hit an
obstruction, and we now have a slow drain once more.  This gives me some
hope it can be cured without digging.  Going for a bit of the heavy duty
pipe cleaner stuff [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything
that might be there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots if
those were adding to the problems.  This seems like a lot when we were
looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing in a
plumber and digging under the slab.  We should know tonight.
BillR   

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On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

The warning about the toilet is because it is all ceramic.  Copper 
sulfate, when mixed with water forms a dilute sulfuric acid.  You can 
use it in mild steel (galvanized iron) pipes, but you will notice the 
inside is scoured over time.

You can dump it down your kitchen sink in the following ways:
1. If your drain is all Stainless steel
2.  If you put the copper sulfate crystals down into the drain 
itself, without touching any chrome plated parts.
3.  If your drain(s) are already showing wear, and the action of an 
acid won't particularly deteriorate the appearance.

Orchards are typically sprayed while dormant with copper sulfate to 
kill fungi and bacteria such as causes fire blight.  For the first 
few sprays in the spring, we got a lot of rust clogging nozzles, but 
after 2 or 3 copper sprays, the insides of the pipes was clean and 
shiny.  The sprayer plumbing typically lasted 30 to 40 years.

You can also plumb in a Y or T as previously described.

All that said, i don't thinkit is really any worse than liquid 
plumber type drain cleaners, as long as you don't let the copper 
sulfate touch the metal parts for a prolonged time.  If you dump it 
down the drain with water running, there should be no damage.  You 
don't want to let it back up into the sink and sit for 10-15 minutes or
hours.

At 08:31 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote:
>First, let me say we have some weird things in our home.   The kitchen
drain
>is at the start of what might well be its own line to the septic tank.  The
>trap leads back to the front wall of the house, then does a 90 turn
>expanding to a 2.5" or 3" copper pipe that has a flat 8' run, then does a
90
>down [it is copper into the wall, no idea what material beyond that]  then
>it is in a direct line with the septic tank, but would need to go either
>under or around the master bedroom/bath, and might tap in there. The
>kitchen sink started to back up, so I am at it with my snake [which will go
>as far as the 90 down turn] and that hits nothing.  Next is the expanding
>ball that I use to blow out clogs.  That will run for as long as I want,
but
>that only mimics a slow drain, and makes no difference to a slow leak.  The
>sink backs up after a 30 seconds of the water being turned on, then drains
>down slowly.   Friendly local hardware store sold me copper sulfate to kill
>what sounded like roots clogging the line.  Now the problem:  The first
>warning on the copper sulfate is to use it only in a toilet, and not to use
>it in a sink or tub as it will corrode the metal drain.  I can protect the
>sink drain if the chrome finish on that is the only problem, but is there
>any chance the copper sulfate would damage a copper pipe or the metal pipes
>under the sink?  Doesn't seem like it would, but this sort of thing is not
>my field, and I would really hate to have to replace the big copper pipe
>that runs behind my tiled in  kitchen cabinets.
>
>Ideas appreciated - TIA
>
>BillR
>
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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

The guy helping me is pretty experienced.  Actually he works and I pay him.
That helps both of us.  He knows there is copper sulfate in the pipes, and
the muriatic acid [if that is what it is] will go in tonight.  Watch your
late breaking news to see if we went out via fumes. "Amateur plumber and
antique [both the enthusiast and the cars] MB enthusiast felled by copper
sulfate and muriatic acid fumes"  
BillR

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:55 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

Be careful if you're using different drain cleaners -- some (I think
Draino for example) are lye (NaOH) and some (Liquid Fire?) are acid --
you don't want the two in the pipe at the same time!

Allan
-- 
1983 300D


"Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thanks Loren.  I was assuming it was something like that but it does
> help to know.  Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out
> from the spot it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the
> kitchen.  I now have a 12" x 12" hole in the entry hall wall just in
> case we could put a cleanout there.  Not really any way, though maybe
> inside the cabinet.  We took the big copper pipe off entirely - and it
> was about eaten through - and will replace it with pvc. A snake going
> down the cast iron pipe back there hit an obstruction, and we now have
> a slow drain once more.  This gives me some hope it can be cured
> without digging.  Going for a bit of the heavy duty pipe cleaner stuff
> [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything that might be
> there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots if those
> were adding to the problems.  This seems like a lot when we were
> looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing
> in a plumber and digging under the slab.  We should know tonight.
> BillR

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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

Allen -  Your design was what we were going for, but when we got into the
wall there is a stacked iron pipe that goes up as well as down, and also has
a lateral run going behind the stove inside the wall.  I don't know what the
original configuration of the kitchen was, but it seems it is quite
different now. I don't think there is a decent way to do a cleanout unless
we can fit one between the iron pipe inside the wall and the new drain, but
it would have to be in the space between the wall and the end of the cabinet
[about 6"].  Doesn't seem practical.  I suspect the main thing would be to
convince my darling wife that if she ever wishes to dispose of a quart of
old ham salad again that the trash can is a far better place than the
garbage disposal.  The way it will be put together we will be able snake it
from the junction of the PVC and the rubber connector if we need to again.
Your input much appreciated.
Thanks - BillR   

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

Cut the pipe after the bend and install a cleanout "wye", snake it from
there.  Or replace the 90 down bend with a tee and fit a cleanout plug
on the "top" of the tee.

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"Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> First, let me say we have some weird things in our home.   The kitchen
drain


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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

You forgot to mention how much fun running an excavator would be! I don't
think I could actually get my wife to let me do such a thing.  I need to
avoid exertion and stress, and I can tolerate neither cold nor heat.  I do
think we are ok now with the muriatic acid, though.  It seems to be running
fine.
BillR   

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Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

Talking about septic tanks (which is rhyming slang for yanks BTW), my 
mothers septic is overflowing badly and she got some people out to see 
what the problem is. According to the experts she needs a new you beaut 
AU$11,000 septic system put in. Me being a skeptic smelled a rat because 
according to these 'experts' the ground was saturated and could not 
absorb the amount of overflow coming out. Funny thing is that we are in 
a drought and have not had a lot of water. Just so happens that a while 
back I bought a little half tonne micro excavator (a Kobelco SK005, 
which is now sporting a Chinese copy of the original Yanmar single 
cylinder Diesel engine because the original Yanmar got dusted due to a 
cracked inlet manifold) to do some landscaping around the house.
Anyway took the excavator around to her place and started digging, turns 
out the pipe where the overflow comes out was blocked with soil. Had I 
know where the outlet was located I could have fixed her supposedly 
stuffed septic in half an hour with a spade. However know that I have 
the machine there I am going to install a proper Rein trench, which 
should last for quite some time and the total cost of the job should 
come in well under a grand.
It makes me angry the way some of the trades people are ripping off 
unwary consumers, these dickheads did not make any effort to properly 
inspect the set up and determine the exact cause of the septic 
overflowing but instead made a few assumptions and did the thing that 
makes them the most money.

Far as Bill's problems go, my suggestion is that if you are going to be 
living there for a while yet, get the system fixed up properly. As 
chemicals and pipe worms are a temporary solution.
You can hire little excavators for a couple of hundred a day, they are 
not hard to operate on flat ground.

Hendrik

Bill R wrote:
> Thanks Loren.  I was assuming it was something like that but it does help
to
> know.  Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out from the spot
> it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the kitchen.  I now have
a
> 12" x 12" hole in the entry hall wall just in case we could put a cleanout
> there.  Not really any way, though maybe inside the cabinet.  We took the
> big copper pipe off entirely - and it was about eaten through - and will
> replace it with pvc. A snake going down the cast iron pipe back there hit
an
> obstruction, and we now have a slow drain once more.  This gives me some
> hope it can be cured without digging.  Going for a bit of the heavy duty
> pipe cleaner stuff [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything
> that might be there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots
if
> those were adding to the problems.  This seems like a lot when we were
> looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing in
a
> plumber and digging under the slab.  We should know tonight.
> BillR   
>   
>   


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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

Yes, we do indeed have a garbage disposal of two of three kitchen sinks into
two septic tanks.  We are sort of careful about what goes into them, though.
The exception to that would be the quart of old ham salad my darling wife
decided to dump into ours.  We have had some kitchen drain problems since
then.  A high percentage of homes in Jacksonville have septic tanks, which
is one reason the river is polluted.  The city is doing some major
installations of sewer lines in many areas, but are starting with the low
areas first.  We are not far from the river, but are at 54' so flooding is
only likely if the Atlantic ocean rises more than 50'.  Should that happen a
flooded septic system will be the least of our worries.
BillR

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

Garbage disposal?  On a septic?  Or am I getting my threads confused?

Here it's against code to have a garbage disposal on a septic.  We never
put food or grease down the drain -- into the trash.  Or into the woods,
sometimes.

Allan


"Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Allen -  Your design was what we were going for, but when we got into the
> wall there is a stacked iron pipe that goes up as well as down, and also
has
> a lateral run going behind the stove inside the wall.  I don't know what
the
> original configuration of the kitchen was, but it seems it is quite
> different now. I don't think there is a decent way to do a cleanout unless
> we can fit one between the iron pipe inside the wall and the new drain,
but
> it would have to be in the space between the wall and the end of the
cabinet
> [about 6"].  Doesn't seem practical.  I suspect the main thing would be to
> convince my darling wife that if she ever wishes to dispose of a quart of
> old ham salad again that the trash can is a far better place than the
> garbage disposal.  The way it will be put together we will be able snake
it
> from the junction of the PVC and the rubber connector if we need to again.
> Your input much appreciated.
> Thanks - BillR   
>

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

Had it pumped out last year.  Should be good for another year.
BillR

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The normal septic failure mode is when you go too long without pumping the 
solids out of the tank, and the solid stuff starts making it into the 2nd 
chamber and through the outlet, where the crap plugs the drainfield pipes.

Mitch


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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

[Bill R]

I will pass that wisdom along to her.  Thanks Jim.
BillR

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> convince my darling wife that if she ever wishes to dispose of a quart 
> of
> old ham salad again that the trash can is a far better place than the
> garbage disposal.

As was explained to me long ago: it's perfectly acceptable to
put food into a septic system, provided you have eaten it first.
Otherwise, not.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical / earthwork help needed

[Bill R]

With well pipes [well head at the front, pump at the back], irrigation
lines, two drain fields, an above ground pool, overhead power and cable
lines and trees all over, just thinking about the cascade effect of having
an excavator in the hands of someone not bonded and insured [and those folks
won't even drive a truck into our yard] does create a bit of a "comedy of
errors" scene in my mind, and cause my hand to move toward my bottle of
nitro pills. Thanks for giving me a moment of levity here, but I value my
darling wife too much for that.
BillR 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical / earthwork help needed

Who said anything about you getting out there and digging, that's what 
the women are there for. Your job is to supervise and criticize and if 
she does a good job to bring her a coffee or two.

Hendrik
who has to go now and make sure the missus has not put the excavator in 
the trench...again
 
Bill R wrote:
> You forgot to mention how much fun running an excavator would be! I don't
> think I could actually get my wife to let me do such a thing.  I need to
> avoid exertion and stress, and I can tolerate neither cold nor heat.  I do
> think we are ok now with the muriatic acid, though.  It seems to be
running
> fine.
> BillR   
>
>   
>


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Re: [MBZ] Backhoes [was: Re: plumbing / chemical help needed]

[Bill R]

Sure, send the pictures - We all enjoy seeing what doing the things all of
us would like to do can end up like. [diagram that sentence; my thinking
isn't so linear at this hour]
BillR

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:08:00 -0500 Rich Thomas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I need one of those excavator thingies.  I don't really have a use for 
> it at this time, but the idea of having one is the balls.

I rented a full-sized backhoe a few summers ago to put in a water line
around the side of the house and dig up a huge stump that was next to the
driveway. The tree had been cut down before we bought the place because
its roots had heaved and broken the driveway. We found roots 6" in
diameter 20 feet away from the tree. The water line's path required
cutting through the roots of a large maple about 5 feet away from the
tree, so the full-sized backhoe was what was required. Those and the tuff
made things interesting. Also interesting was when I was digging up by the
street and hit the gas line that I knew was there ...


Craig

P.S. I have LOTS of pictures if anyone is interested.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D throttle plate

[Bill R]

I didn't think a diesel had a throttle plate, but I am no mechanic. 
BillR

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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:16 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] 240D throttle plate

Anybody ever messed with the throttle plate on a 240D? I was a little
surprised to find one when I removed the air cleaner housing...

The plate was stuck shut, some penetrant and screwdriver action started to
get it free'd up to the point I realized the throttle mechanism that
actuates it is busted. I gave up at that point, what good is a throttle
plate that moves that I can't use anyway? I left it closed and noticed that
at about 70mph (which is as fast as I tried) the car feels like its running
out of steam. Maybe its not and I just feel like it is because I know about
the plate...

I'm gonna hit a boneyard that I know has an '82 240D (mine is an '83) and
see if I can liberate the throttle lever from that (air cleaner mounts too)
and see if I can get mine free'd up completely (may just liberate the whole
thing...) seems like that plate not moving is killing full throttle power by
limiting the air available...

Would blocking the plate open (well, it still doesn't move well, how about
opening it and leaving it there) cause any problems? What does the thing do?

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty floor well (as in oxidized, not Cullens)

[Bill R]

The last couple of times I have needed something like this I have gone to
the AutoZone near where my son lived and bought it there.  It is mixed in
with the spray cans of various colors of paint.  Anyone working in the store
could probably find it for you - that is how I found it.  My last purchase
was about two years ago.
BillR 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty floor well (as in oxidized, not Cullens)

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:14 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was out of work, 15 years ago.  The steel cross on exterior of our chuch
had surface rust.  I used EXTEND to prime it, it dries mat black.
> I got a job, never did paint the cross with enamel, it's still mat black
and looks great.
>
> Say yes ti EXTEND!

Where do I find this magical elixir of rust removal?  I have a couple
of battery trays I'd like to experiment on, since cosmetics are
obviously secondary there to getting rid of the rust before it
compromises the structure.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Wiltons grammatical concerns

[Bill R]

  I ask just for the "fun" of the conversation. I understand and
appreciate
many regional differences, and realize there's nothing "wrong" with anyone's
or region's differences, especially accents in speech. No accent is any
more "right" than another. My loss of "southern" accent came about 'cause I
wanted to make sure I was clearly understood by most anyone.

Wilton

Then there was the Texas woman who remarked that she was pleased when a man
with no accent finally  got into the White House - LBJ.

That one might be too old for som of you.
BillR



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Re: [MBZ] Wiltons grammatical concerns

[Bill R]

My point exactly -  you would not be able to appreciate his accent, or his
non-accent, if you happen to share it.  Actually I didn't think his was very
strong, but then I am a FL boy and was raised in an area where Southern
accents were somewhat common.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wiltons grammatical concerns

Bill R wrote:

> That one might be too old for som of you.
> BillR

LBJ was in office when I was born. I almost came early the day JFK died.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] New Fan Club?

[Bill R]

Good stuff, that.
BillR

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Subject: [MBZ] New Fan Club?

With the number of classical music enthusiasts on the list, or so it would
seem, I'm thinking we should start a "Sir Neville Marriner" fan club.

Any takers?

(tongue planted firmly in cheek)

Dan (Academy of St. Martin in the Fields groupie)


  

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hallmark e-card Virus

[Bill R]

Not yet, but I seldom open anything if I don't know the person sending it.
BillR

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On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 8:14 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] O.T. Hallmark e-card Virus

In the past two days I've received two emails which look exactly like those
Hallmark e-card things that when I attempted to open them my spyware grabbed
them saying it was some wicked virus. Anyone else seen that?

Be careful.

 

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR - finnys

[Bill R]

The [relatively small] fins were about the only thing I didn't like about my
1962 220Sb.  I'd take that one back in a heartbeat.
BillR  

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR

You mean like putting fintails on cars, making them look like space rockets.
I still can't believe that MB bought into that, at least their fins 
weren't as big as some.

Hendrik

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> It is a Yank thing. You wouldn't understand.  :)
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR - auto driver system

[Bill R]

I have one of those, too.  Often she wants me to drive, though.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 4:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snook's CURRENT CAR

We have auto driver system installed on the highways, once the computer 
locks on it will drive the car to the programmed destination by itself. 
I usually take a few movies, books, surf the net or just have a good 
sleep until it is time to pull off the highway. Unfortunately the law 
does not allow the consumption of alcohol whilst in command of a an car 
on auto pilot :-(

Hendrik
who personally developed the auto driver system

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Not sure what driving is like down there, but here it is often
mind-numbing
> hours upon hours of just holding onto the steering wheel and listening to
> the radio while zipping along the Interstate highway system. For as much
as
> us Benz folks like to trash it, the Caddy does that very well, My 300E
does,
> too, but Snook failed to purchase the car so now I get to enjoy it. Plus,
> now the 300E gets to enjoy an Obama sticker on the rear window -- Snook
> would not have done that.
>
>   
>   


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Re: [MBZ] Just another day...

[Bill R]

That does look a bit like a MB lot.  Wish it was mine.  I've just got my
trusty [usually] and not at all rusty '81 300SD.
The only change I'd really like to make is adding an SDL to the 'fleet.' 
BillR

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Subject: [MBZ] Just another day...

Working on the MB's.

The E300 and SDL (hood up) are a friend's...

John
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

I'd second the suggestion to avoid the Linksys.  I have to restart mine
about every two days, and have a 'very low' signal from one end of the house
to the other.
BillR

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On Behalf Of Luther
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:26 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

I would NOT buy Linksys for this, buy USR.  My connection at the house 
is a shared connection with my neighbor.  He is about 500' south of me, 
with 4-5 large oak trees, 2 outside walls, and 3 interior walls in 
between our USR access points.  We started the connection with a Linksys 
on his end, and it needed to be restarted once a week.  The USR's hardly 
ever need to be restarted.   I watch HD TV over this wireless connection 
(1.5-2.0Mb/s data transfer) and have downloaded 2 Linux cds 
simultaneously running an average of 600KB/s (or 4.8Mb/s) during the 
download.

Luther

Allan Streib wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good choice for a wireless router that can
> operate as a "receiver" in a bridge setup?  Preferably something
> available at a Best Buy or Staples kind of place.
>
> I need to get networking in the basement and running CAT5 is not
> something I want to do.  I verified that I have good signal down there
> using my laptop.
>
> Allan
>   

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

I wonder if I have some other problem with it.  It is a fairly long distance
from the far end of Mom's apartment to my office, with many walls between.
My WRT54G has never been able to put out a strong signal, even to my IPAQ
when I am sitting in front of it. I also have a Linksys wireless 'B; with a
range extender, and that also does not do well.
BillR 

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On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

My Linksys WRT54GL (L for Linux) works very well, from one end of the
house to the other, but I've never looked into using one as a bridge.
It's been "up" for years --

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd second the suggestion to avoid the Linksys.  I have to restart mine
> about every two days, and have a 'very low' signal from one end of the
house
> to the other.
> BillR
>

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

I bought two 14" antennas for wireless setup, then discovered they would not
go on the fitting on the wireless.  Got two adaptors, but that signal was
even worse.
BillR

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

similar experience with my old liksys -- up for years

also, why do you need a bridge and not just a better antenna?  i was having
signal problems from one end of my house to another and just got a bit
bigger than stock antenna.  no more issues.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My Linksys WRT54GL (L for Linux) works very well, from one end of the
> house to the other, but I've never looked into using one as a bridge.
> It's been "up" for years --
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd second the suggestion to avoid the Linksys.  I have to restart mine
> > about every two days, and have a 'very low' signal from one end of the
> house
> > to the other.
> > BillR
> >
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
> mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
> '90 300D (Rattled),  '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent
> van-go)
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Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed

[Bill R]

Wilton, you do realize that for some of us - ok, me - the idea of you
transporting cargo in the buff was sort of interesting.  Your story was good
also.
BillR

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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed

'Planning to use the remaining H models on into the 2040's.

BTW, that large open area in the BUFF aft fuselage  wasn't really meant to
haul cargo (no proper floor), but it could hold a bunch.  Access hatch in
the belly sorta small - maybe 3 feet by 3 feet or less.

Wilton

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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed


> Great story Wilton!  The BUFF really is the evergreen bomber, and a pretty
> good cargo plane too from the sounds of it.
>
> I have a site bookmarked that features pictures submitted by members of
> various planes.  Lots of pics of BUFFs on there too.  Always sad to see
one
> being parted out, or scrapped.  As far as operational costs go, the BUFF
is
> probably pretty cheap.  Do you see a similar design coming one day to
> replace it, or will the current fleet continue on for several more
decades?
>
> Thanks for the stories Wilton.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 2008/12/6 Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > MOVING  IN  THE  BUFF by Wilton Strickland
> >
> > Several weeks after I arrived here at Seymour Johnson AFB, NC, I learned
> > that one of our crews was going to deliver a B-52G from our unit to
Edwards
> > AFB, CA, for a test crew there to fly a couple of times with ALCM's (Air
> > Launched Cruise Missiles) during a weekend as part of the missile
> > development program.  My wife and two sons were still living in a little
> > mountain village of Wrightwood about 45 minutes from Edwards.  We had
moved
> > there while I was a Civil Engineer at George AFB and just before I went
to
> > Greenland for a year.  I wangled my way onto the flight to visit my
family
> > for a couple of days.
> >
> > SWMBO, Alice, picked me up at Edwards upon my arrival there on Friday
> > afternoon and dropped me off there for the flight back to Seymour on
Sunday
> > afternoon.  Because I was beginning to build a house here in North
> > Carolina,
> > I needed some of my tools and equipment from our home in California.  I
> > brought several of those things back to NC with me in the BUFF: a long
> > aluminum extension ladder, a six-foot wooden step ladder, a radial arm
saw,
> > a gas-driven rotary lawn mower (fuel tank was drained and vented),
several
> > boxes of assorted tools and lots of "stuff."
> >
> > To take my stuff out to the airplane at Edwards, we loaded it and the
rest
> > of the crew's baggage aboard an Air Force Suburban driven by the Edwards
> > crew.  The long extension ladder was laid across the tops of the seats
and
> > the dashboard for the short trip onto the flightline.  One end of the
> > ladder
> > was touching the windshield; the other end was protruding slightly from
the
> > rear of the vehicle.  We warned all the guys on both crews, Edwards and
> > ours, "Don't close the rear doors.  You may break the windshield by
shoving
> > the ladder into it."   Sure enough, the last one of our crewmen to put
his
> > baggage on the vehicle tried to close the rear doors, cracking the
> > windshield, of course.  'Don't know how the Edwards crew explained the
> > cracked windshield when they turned in the vehicle.
> >
> > All of this stuff went very easily into the large open and unpressurized
> > area in the aft fuselage behind the aft main gear.  All of it was
strapped
> > down very well and presented no problem at all for the BUFF.  I could
have
> > brought back a lot more, but I was a bit shy to appear to be moving my
> > entire household in the BUFF.
> >
> > We sold the California house a couple of months later, Alice and the
boys
> > drove to North Carolina to join me, and the rest of my stuff was moved
in
> > the conventional manner by van.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed

[Bill R]

And I still think a thread about you transporting stuff "in the buff" would
have been almost as interesting as the one about dong it in the BUFF
[whatever that is].
BillR 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed

Yes,I think they're 28000 and 29000.

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed


> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > Yes, that's what I mean - TWO of 'em, and AF One is whichever one has
POTUS
> > aboard.
>
> Are the N numbers still 28000 and 29000?
>
> I usually give 29000 as my number when I'm buying 100LL for my chain saw
and the
> point of sale terminal wants my registration number.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed

[Bill R]

Thanks Craig, though I'm still sort of partial to my original [if incorrect]
impression.  Going to the wedding of a buddy who was an EWO on one of those
things, but he never called it that.  He should have completed my education.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:59:51 -0500 "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ... the one about dong it in the BUFF [whatever that is].

Big Ugly Fat Fellow, a nickname for the B-52.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back

[Bill R]

I drove a Ford Focus [first year if of US sales] for about three years and
really enjoyed it.  I was driving 40-60k miles a year and it was comfortable
and easy to drive for long distances and around town.  Only my old 220Sb was
better, but I have not done distance driving in any large American cars.
BillR

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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back

Whomever wrote this has never driven a base model Corolla, Civic, Focus or
Cobalt.

I've driven all 4, the Ford and Chevy SUCK. The Corolla is a fairly
comfortable little crapbox and the Civic is a sporty little fun car.

Get a Chevy Cobalt with a center armrest and try to apply the parking brake,
oh wait you can't until you flip up the arm rest The Ford has is Sirrius
satellite radio equipped but the base model doesn't actually have it. The
button is still there but doesn't do anything...

I find the Honda's seats a little constricting, thats the biggest complaint.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:15:54 -0600
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back
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Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back

[Bill R]

When I took my Corolla in for maintenance and gave my list of issues with
the car the service writers first comment was "It has to be one of the US
made cars" [turns out it was] "because we don't have those complaints on the
ones made in Japan.  It is things like that which instill us with the
feeling that US autos are not of the same quality as foreign built.  I do
hope reports of that changing over the last decade or so are true.
BillR   

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On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:52 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back

Customer complaints were not about service, they were about quality.

And the companies who reviewed the products supposedly rated each on the
product's individual merits.

This pretty much leaves the dealerships out of the loop & brings customer
perception to the front of the line.

Also, the biggest customer quality complaints were issues like squeaky
brakes. Does this mean that the Toyota & Nissan customers were more tolerant
of these issues than GM & Dodge customers were?

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:42 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back

So after spending billion$ on advertising, they still can't beat the 
competition with the exact same car, tarted up (hmmm maybe it has 
something to do with the dealers?  Don't know.  Or overall reputation 
for quality and commitment?).  That makes me want to give them billion$ 
more to help them out.

It boggles the mind.

--R

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> Rich,
>
> The issue is not quality or cost but America's perception of small
American
> cars.
>
> For example, when GM & Toyota manufactured cars in the US as a joint
> venture, the Toyotas had consistently higher reviews and reported less
> warranty issues. But the two product lines were the exact same cars,
> manufactured by the exact same workers, with the exact same parts. The
only
> difference was the trim package.
>
> Chrysler's joint venture with Nissan netted the exact same results. The
3000
> GT rated higher than the Dodge Stealth. And these were also the exact same
> cars with different trim packaged. And even today, the old 3000 GT has a
> much stronger following than the Dodge Stealth.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:28 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back
>
> OK so that means the consumers don't want their (small) product but they 
> do want small products from the Japanese companies.  (And I have heard 
> that Ford, and maybe the others', cars are doing well in Europe and 
> elsewhere v. the competition, why there and not here?)  I guess we can 
> mess with the market by providing (taxpayer-paid) incentives for people 
> to buy cars they would rather not have, for cost or quality or utility 
> or whatever other reasons, to keep an inefficient inept (insert your own 
> in-word here) "American" company in business, just because it is big.  
> When does that stop?  Have not heard the good answers to that, and the 
> senators have no clue either, and the guys who are telling them are the 
> ones they say they want fired.  Who to believe?  What to believe?
>
> The military thing is a different kettle of fish.  Not sure that relates 
> well to a well-paid (hard-working?) auto worker, except for a similar 
> level of ongoing benefits, you can see the reasons.  An apple v. an 
> orange, but it does raise an interesting issue as to how all this gets 
> paid for on an ongoing basis when the till has only so much (real) money 
> in it.  Where are the choices made?  How much do you personally want to 
> send to Unkie every month to carry the auto industry, the retired 
> military and GS workers, the people who lose their jobs in market 
> shakeouts, banks, credit card companies, door/window manufacturers, 
> people who "bought" more house than they could pay for, on and on and 
> on.  Do you run your family finances that way (like a lot of people seem 
> to do)?
>
> Do Honda and Toyota have large retiree commitments, like Big3/UAW?  I 
> don't know the answer to that.
>
> --R
>
> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>   
>> The big three have built smaller cars here in the states. They tried
>> repeatedly & we would not buy them. We wanted mid-size & larger cars from
>> American auto makers. One great example of this is Saturn, who built a
>> 
> long
>   
>> line of smaller, efficient cars. Saturn is performing so dismally that
its
>> one of the brands GM needs to can.
>>
>> As far as legacy costs go, I suppose you also want us to cut all of our
>> military re

Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

Allan - I have been having lots of problems with my old WRT54G unit [low
power output and sometimes daily restarts].  Can I flash it to Linux and
still use it on my XP computers [I am computerally challenged on that
stuff].
BillR

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:14 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So my plan now is to replace my WRT54G with the NetGear as the "primary"
> wireless router, reflash the WRT54G with the DD-WRT firmware, and use it
> in the basement as my wireless bridge.
>
> I'll post an update of how this works out.

Got around to trying this tonight, and it work well!  I have network
access in the basement now for my non-wireless PCs, via my old LinkSys
WRT54G.

Instructions for flashing the Linksys and setting up bridge mode are
both found at the dd-wrt web site, and worked without exception.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

These are 12db, but are less effective than the short stock ones.  I think I
am going to give up and install the 250' of CAT5 I have sitting in a box
next to my computer.
BillR

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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

i just bought one specifically designed to replace the tiny stock antenna on
the pci wirelelss card on my dessktop.  i don't know what any of this means,
but stock is like 2db and this one is 7db and this increase was adequate for
my purposes.  you can get more powerful ones as well though as i've seen
25db ones.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I bought two 14" antennas for wireless setup, then discovered they would
> not
> go on the fitting on the wireless.  Got two adaptors, but that signal was
> even worse.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge
>
> similar experience with my old liksys -- up for years
>
> also, why do you need a bridge and not just a better antenna?  i was
having
> signal problems from one end of my house to another and just got a bit
> bigger than stock antenna.  no more issues.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > My Linksys WRT54GL (L for Linux) works very well, from one end of the
> > house to the other, but I've never looked into using one as a bridge.
> > It's been "up" for years --
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'd second the suggestion to avoid the Linksys.  I have to restart
mine
> > > about every two days, and have a 'very low' signal from one end of the
> > house
> > > to the other.
> > > BillR


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

Thanks Allan - As I think about it I basically have a mostly usable, if
annoying, brick now.  Maybe Manfred will find his crimping tool for the CAT5
and I will get up the energy to run the line.  I'm told there is a set of
snow skis in that part of the attic [never been up there].  I have been
blaming Comcast for the constant loss of service, and it might well be that
both of them are off a bit.
BillR

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:48 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

"Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Allan - I have been having lots of problems with my old WRT54G unit [low
> power output and sometimes daily restarts].  Can I flash it to Linux and
> still use it on my XP computers [I am computerally challenged on that
> stuff].

I suppose you could try, but I'm not sure how changing the firmware
(basically the OS that the device runs internally) would help with low
power and instability.  Wondering if you have an actual hardware problem
with the router.

The only reason I did this with my LinkSys is to get the client bridge
capability without shelling out $$ for a new device -- not because of
any problems or instability I was having with the device itself.

Another caveat is that if something goes wrong you can "brick" the
router -- i.e. put it into a state where it won't even boot up and it
basically becomes a paperweight.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

Those sure look easy enough to give it a try. I like easy.
Thanks. 
BillR

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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> I like the one where you use a wok or conductive colander for a
> long-range point-to-point setup.  


http://dustydragon.com/wifi.htm
http://www.lincomatic.com/wireless/homebrewant.html
http://www.freeantennas.com/projects/template/
http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna1.html
http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm
http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

Thanks, Dan.  I'll be under that by a fair amount.
BillR

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On Behalf Of LWB250
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

300' or 310', IIRC.

Dan


--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 2:46 PM
> "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> > These are 12db, but are less effective than the short
> stock ones.  I
> > think I am going to give up and install the 250'
> of CAT5 I have sitting in a box
> > next to my computer.
> 
> Even CAT5 has limited length on its runs.  I'm not sure
> what it is,
> offhand.
> 
> Allan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

[Bill R]

Losing the job is not at all a good thing, though your assessment is
probably correct and it could well be better to get out now rather than
later.  

I think you should probably hook up with Donald on that idea of being
prevented from practicing your religion. After all, they are depriving you
of income, and it takes a lot of money to support your devotion to the
buying of ancient, decrepit and otherwise 'given up on' MB's, and even
raising them from the dead [with laying on of hands, no less]. A good
attorney could no doubt get that classified as your religion, and no doubt
Regina could give many stories that testify to that personal commitment to
it.  You could easily demonstrate more devotion to that faith than many who
sit in a pew could demonstrate their practice of faith.  You will need to
make sure you have some sort of ceremony each time you buy, sell, or dispose
of cars  no, wait, the government takes care of that already!  I'm sure
you have a box of MB keys around somewhere to give/sell as talismans to
those of us who are also adherents.  I think you are golden, there Kaleb.
You will need to work out a percentage scale with Donald, though, and the
rest of us will expect a good supply of low priced parts for our expert
testimony and admission to being converted to a similar faith.  Make sure
you burn your hard drive after you read this so there is no trace of this as
a made up religion, though ...
BillR  

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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

Kaleb wrote: "Got whacked today at work.  I at least have 30 days left
there, could have been worse.  Will get a severance package after that, but
the buying freeze is now back on.  As much as I would love to, I guess Im
not going to go after that 140 with the broken valve cover etc like I
planned."

Sorry to hear that Kaleb.  I hope you find something soon.  Too bad you are
not black, or a woman or were sexually harassed.  If you were I could
represent you and we could sue their pants off.

We've never met in person so I am assuming You're not a black woman who was
sexually harassed and prevented from exercising your religion.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge

[Bill R]

Thanks for the info Fred.  I'm going to try a couple of those homemade WiFi
antennas, but I am not anywhere near 300 meters from the other end of the
MIL apartment.
Thanks - BillR 

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge


   Klattavolk.
   300 meters, by the book, unless a router/switch etc is used.
   Fred Moir
   Dec 9, 2008 02:47:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
 > These are 12db, but are less effective than the short stock ones. I
 > think I am going to give up and install the 250' of CAT5 I have
sitting
 in a box
 > next to my computer.
 Even CAT5 has limited length on its runs. I'm not sure what it is,
 offhand.
 Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

[Bill R]

The husband of a former secretary was an engineer, and he was gone for the
run from Danville ILL to Evansville, IN, then they would send him home in a
cab.  Twenty two hours portal to portal twice a week, if my 30 year ago
memory is correct.  He is now head of Public Affairs and Safety for CSX, and
spends much more time away from home than he did as an engineer.  Time away
from home depends on the job.  BTW, a wrecker pulled around the crossing
gates and a stopped train right in front of him several years ago.  The
Engineer is taught to hit the floor [danger of decapitation from flying
hoods] and said that other than the sound he was not able to detect even a
shudder in the train when it demolished the rather substantial truck. He
also still remembers the look of sheer terror on the face of the driver when
he realized the situation he had put himself into.  Do be careful on those
RR crossings, you might gain a few minutes each time you are right, but you
will lose big time if you are wrong even once.
BillR 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

"Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> http://www.unionpacific.jobs/careers/working/index.shtml

Cool -- certainly the idea of working for a railroad is very "romantic"
I would think, for a lot of people.  Drawback I would think would be the
potential for being away from home a lot, at least if you're on the
actual train crew.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

[Bill R]

No, he'd be offering company $500 for the wreck.
BillR

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When Kalebs drive trains ...

http://images.morris.com/images/cjonline/mdControlled/cms/2007/05/07/1681590
03.jpg

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> Lots of UP folks in this area. Don't know any that hate their jobs and
>> they
>> make a whole lot more money than I do. Good job security, too. The
>> railroads
>> are not going away any time soon.
>>
>
> They're one of the few industries that is doing pretty good!
>
> John
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Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze -- idea and encouragement

[Bill R]

"Never undertake vast projects with half-vast ideas."
BillR

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'Zackly.  But only HALF-smart?  ;<)))

Wilton


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