[MBZ] 1980 W116 300SD automatic transmission - stuck in 1st once warmed up

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

A friend of mine has a 1980 W116 300SD. He reports that after about 30
minutes of driving, if you come to a stop, it will NOT shift out of 1st
unless you put it into neutral then back into drive.

I assume this is related to the
idle-in-2nd-until-the-accelerator-is-pressed mechanism.

On my 1979 300SD this is a simple rod. Is that the case for 1980, which I
believe was the first year of the dreaded vacuum controls with those
nasty little plastic cams? That was certainly the case on the W123.

Anyway, I might see the car on Sunday and will take a look at whether
there's any adjustment or anything that can be done.

Or could it be a bad kickdown switch or something like that? Odd that it
only happens once warmed up.

Transmission fluid and filter have been changed by a respected, longtime
Mercedes-Benz mechanic, but I will check the fluid level for good measure.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Interesting comparison, although not exactly impartial, between Rotary and
BendPak:

 https://www.bendpak.com/a-study-in-lift-design/two-post-lift-comparison/

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, Dimitri wrote:

>
> Nussbaum is a German company but their US line is made in NC I believe.
> There is a contact, Peter Engel who is an MB enthusiast who sells them.
> They have the most flexibility with articulated rear arms as an option in
> the Otto series. Pierre Hedary bought his Nussbaum from Peter and I almost
> did as well but I couldn?t find an installer in Maine familiar with
> Nussbaum so I opted for a Mohawk. Mohawk is the most robust forever lift
> but costs a small fortune. My brother went in on it with me to help with
> the cost. Rotary is the mainstream lift that most dealers use, has the
> widest dealer network but is not as interesting as a Nussbaum and doesn?t
> have the same degree of arm articulation. Personally, I think a Mohawk with
> the least amount of arm extension options is just fine. It?s built like a
> tank and only needs periodic spray down with wd40 as maintenance. Yes
> factory manual specifically says wd40!  You install it and forget about it.
> No cables to adjust or plastic carriage slider blocks to replace as with
> rotary, Nussbaum and all others.
>
>
> And:
>
>
> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift
> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift
> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the
> other currently available 2 post lifts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete
> floor and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist
> itself since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause
> concern.
> >
> > Randy
> >
>
>
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[MBZ] OT: West Coast Citroen Rendez Vous Twenty-Two

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

In case anyone feels like slumming it this October:


*The San Francisco Region Citroën Car Club is proud to present this year’s
West Coast Citroën Rendez Vous, October 21st through 23rd, 2022, in Sonora,
California*
*THE VENUE*

After considering venues all the way from Pacific Grove east through
Salinas and San Juan Bautista, we are pleased to announce that we settled
on Sonora.

In the beautiful Sierra Nevada Foothills and at the very heart of
California's "Gold Country", the town is named after the miners from Sonora
Mexico who settled the City in 1848. Known as the "Queen of the Southern
Mines", Sonora still holds on to its historic downtown charm while thriving
as the commercial, government and cultural center for the region.

Our home base for the weekend will be the Best Western Sonora Oaks Hotel.
Rooms include a full breakfast, WiFi, and access to the on-site pool. Our
group rate is $144/night and they've agreed to offer that rate for 30
rooms. After that it is market rate, which is usually about $165/night.


*THE PROGRAMME*
On Friday night we will welcome people at the registration area. You're
encouraged to join us for a casual, prepare-your-own dinner on the hotel
BBQ, or drop by for drinks before exploring dinner options in town. We will
send more information about that as the date approaches.

On Saturday morning we'll head out on a scenic drive through incredibly
beautiful foothills. Our endpoint will be the home of longtime SFRCCC
members Susan and Peter Kendall. There we will enjoy included soft drinks
and whichever of these boxed lunches you’ve selected at registration:

*Thanksgiving*
Roasted Turkey, spiced cranberry sauce, mayo, lettuce, on "stuffing" bread.
OR

*Roast Beef*Roasted and sliced tri-tip, horseradish cream cheese spread,
caramelized onions, lettuce, on a ciabatta roll.
OR

*Veggie*Sautéed onions, peppers, and mushrooms, with alfalfa sprouts,
tomato, cucumber, Provolone cheese, fresh hummus, on sliced multi-grain
bread.

Over lunch, hang out and chat amongst the cars, and take in a technical
session or two under the lift in Peter's dream garage.

The Kendalls live just 10 minutes away from both downtown Sonora and the
hotel, so Saturday afternoon you can either dip into a museum in town, or
dip into the hotel's pool. Your choice!

From 6pm on Saturday we will enjoy finger food and beverages in advance of
a 7pm plated dinner at the hotel's Oak Glen room. You’ll start with an
appetizer and whichever of these options you selected at registration:

*Grilled Moroccan Chicken Supreme* w/ Black Currant-Tomato Chutney,
Preserved Lemon Rice Pilaf,
Braised Brussels Sprouts w/ Creamy Sriracha & Shaved Asiago
OR
*Grilled Ahi Tuna Steak* w/ Mango Salsa, Coconut Rice,
Broccoli, Onion, Red Pepper, Summer Squash Stir-fry
OR
*Wild Mushroom Ragout* on Creamy Coconut Polenta w/ Parsnips, Chick Peas &
Miso
Broccoli, Onion, Red Pepper, Summer Squash Stir-fry

Your three-course dinner INCLUDES all soft drinks, wine, beer, and coffee.

During dinner on Saturday night we will enjoy some very special
entertainment and an awards programme.

While there are no planned events on Sunday, we'll be sending you more
information about local sights and driving routes that you can explore
individually.

Also new this year: there are delicious gluten-free and special diet
options for both the boxed lunch and the plated dinner. Just use the
checkbox on the registration form and we will get in touch with you to sort
out the details.


*SEE YOU IN OCTOBER*
We are so pleased to be organizing this year's Rendez Vous, and look
forward to seeing all of you who can join. Drop a note to
citroe...@gmail.com if you have any questions, otherwise we hope to see you
in Sonora!

To register for Rendez Vous Twenty-Two, head over to http://www.sfrccc.org/
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Re: [MBZ] Project -- Exterior color: Green ?1976 Mercedes-Benz 400 SE Sedan 4D, $1, 750

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Not just any green, but Kaledoniengrün 867! Just like my 76 300D.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, Floyd Thursby wrote:

>
> Doesn't look too bad for the money if you wanted a project
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1082617002308678
>
> --
> --FT
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Best Mercedes SUVs to buy and 5 to avoid

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

In other words, avoid everything built after 1985.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>
https://www.hotcars.com/5-best-mercedes-benz-suvs-you-can-buy-used-5-to-avoid-at-all-costs/
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Re: [MBZ] Rare customized Euro 280SL C on BAT

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The VIN (107022-12-003878)  indicates this was an automatic (12) as opposed
to manual (10). So quite a few bodges, it would seem.


On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>AZ car with manual shift, velour seats, rear deck lid spoiler, AMG badge,
>after market radio and wheels, rear crank windows, and non period third
>brake light.  A Thinking Man's car for sure.  I predict over $20k.
>
>
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mercedes-benz-280slc-3/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022-03-16
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic coating

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I've been weighing doing this to my original-paint W108 (Horizontblau) and
W115 (Kaledoniengrün) and found this chap, "Scott HD", very helpful in
testing (YouTube), and providing results for tests (Google sheet), of LOTS
of products. There are VAST differences between products, or even within
the same product when formulations change. For example:

The 28-way Chinese Products test:

https://youtu.be/LE3LiD7Ls_0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EK8ph4q2-ApofE7EF95xMPH5M25W3HiCPHZHn4eTyIk/edit

and the 38-way Ceramic test:

https://youtu.be/gx_v3_kBlVY

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tzuzsehuvxovdF85E_uX-e5k3IN1u3UbXWWZ69MmHTo/edit


On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 Floyd and Dan wrote:

> From: dan penoff.com 
>
> I liken it to snake oil in the sense that you can probably achieve the
> same thing waxing with good quality wax on a regular basis. I?m sure it has
> some benefits, but I take exception to the term ?ceramic coating? as I see
> no way you could actually put a ceramic coating on your car. Whatever.
>
> I wax twice a year with Collinite Liquid Insulator #845 wax. Very good
> stuff, holds up extremely well in our environment. Was originally designed
> for waxing high voltage insulators on transmission lines.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone ever used this stuff?  It seems expensive for a little bottle
> but it looks like it has some benefits to preserving paint. I don?t know
> how long it lasts.
> >
> > --FT
>
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[MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for my 116
last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got from Tom Hanson at
the CC.

On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:

>
> I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
> 450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square side cut
> key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very confused, not
> sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old timer to
> come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".?
> This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
> still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.?
> Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.? He starts
> ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
> 116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume this is the
> same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
> also?? WTF?
>
> Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
> obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of the door
> handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer gave me a
> couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
> really can or not.
>
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The number he said to use was A2017600306

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann  wrote:

> Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for my 116
> last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got from Tom Hanson at
> the CC.
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:
>
>>
>> I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
>> 450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square side cut
>> key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very confused, not
>> sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old timer to
>> come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".?
>> This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
>> still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.?
>> Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.? He starts
>> ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
>> 116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume this is the
>> same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
>> also?? WTF?
>>
>> Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
>> obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of the door
>> handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer gave me a
>> couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
>> really can or not.
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The 116 used both types.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:34 Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I didn't realize that the 116 (which I have never had one of) used those
> dinky
> little 201 keys.  The 107/126/123 keys we have are all the same.  Chunky
> side-cut keys.  IIRC, our older 107 was an edge-cut key, as is the 114 and
> 115.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Indeed, mine were cut in Texas, and very poorly at that. They somehow got
the key misaligned on the thin axis, which means that the cutaway portion
is wildly uneven from side to side. So you have a 50% chance of operating
the lock.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, Dan Penoff wrote:

>
> The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available,
> which means they?re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They
> should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut
> to match the VIN. That?s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at
> least all of the keys I?ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.
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Re: [MBZ] Does This Guy Know His Crack or does he Know the Market?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I love the text of the ad: "the dashboard has no cracks"

and then right above it I'm looking at a picture of the dash, with a giant
crack emanating from the passenger side speaker grille!


On Tue, 19 Apr 2022, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Priced to sell so I will not budge even one dime. Even if it never sells.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 11:39 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > 1984 MERCEDES 300D SHOWROOM CONDITION (craigslist.org)
> > <
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/studio-city-1984-mercedes-300d-showroom/7473039618.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > AZBob
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 MB 300CD steering box

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Danger! Over tightening the adjustment on the box will cause sticking and
rapid wear!

The box should NOT have required adjustment after rebuilding. Setting it
properly is part of the refurb. It's possible that the shop you went to
doesn't understand that on MB steering assemblies, there's "normal" free
play of about a finger's width at the steering wheel.

They might have tried to second-guess the initial setting.

There's a process that involves a torque measuring device on the steering
wheel. In the probable absence of that device, it is better to adjust it
too loose than too tight!

Also, the flexible joint of the steering column where it enters the box
often wears out dramatically. My 115 has a HAND'S WIDTH of free play at the
wheel!

That kind of free play at the steering wheel is unthinkable today, but back
in the 70s80s90s it was understood to be normal. If you REALLY want to see
steering wheel free play, find a 70s VW bus!


Ralph wrote:
I am happy to have it able to drive, but I am not 100% happy with the
performance.  It still has a point on the turning that feels like it is
sticking, but the play in the wheel and stability on the road is
great now.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Happily, the solenoid can be easily replaced without removing the starter
from the car. Especially on a 240D. I have done this on my 300D W115.

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a
starter issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.
Lately sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it
goes.  Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but
not engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the
battery to stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess
something with the solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace it as
well.
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Re: [MBZ] Oh wow I might have to have this

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

All W115 240D until 1976) were pull start. All W115 300D (until 1976) were
key start. W123 replaced them both in 1977.

All US-model W123 diesels had key start from the beginning.
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Re: [MBZ] I?m not even going to comment on this

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

But wait, aren't those 15" Bundts. LOL
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Oil cooler

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Worst-case scenario, the oil cooler fittings are available as replacement
parts from MB. I have a pair of them for a W123 617 oil cooler, name on the
parts label is "screwed nipples". A radiator shop ought to be able to
remove the old ones and install the new.

>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I need to replace the upper and lower oil cooler lines on my 83 300td
due
>> to leaks.. Does anyone have a decent used oil cooler you would be willing
>> to sell? My tech says that when he disconnects the line from the oil
cooler
>> that will bugger the threads most of the time. Although I can find
sources
>> for the oil cooler lines, the classic center says the oil cooler itself
is
>> no longer available.
>> Part number must be 126 180 00 65
>>
>> 1983 300td
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Oil cooler

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I don't have the package handy, but they're definitely shown in EPC.

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:19 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Is there a part number I could search on?
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:47 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Worst-case scenario, the oil cooler fittings are available as replacement
>> parts from MB. I have a pair of them for a W123 617 oil cooler, name on
>> the
>> parts label is "screwed nipples". A radiator shop ought to be able to
>> remove the old ones and install the new.
>>
>> >> On May 17, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ?I need to replace the upper and lower oil cooler lines on my 83 300td
>> due
>> >> to leaks.. Does anyone have a decent used oil cooler you would be
>> willing
>> >> to sell? My tech says that when he disconnects the line from the oil
>> cooler
>> >> that will bugger the threads most of the time. Although I can find
>> sources
>> >> for the oil cooler lines, the classic center says the oil cooler itself
>> is
>> >> no longer available.
>> >> Part number must be 126 180 00 65
>> >>
>> >> 1983 300td
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Oil cooler

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

And  126-180-00-65 is the whole oil cooler, showing as available $261 from
mbpartsexpress.com

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:20 PM David Bruckmann  wrote:

> I don't have the package handy, but they're definitely shown in EPC.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:19 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there a part number I could search on?
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:47 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Worst-case scenario, the oil cooler fittings are available as replacement
>>> parts from MB. I have a pair of them for a W123 617 oil cooler, name on
>>> the
>>> parts label is "screwed nipples". A radiator shop ought to be able to
>>> remove the old ones and install the new.
>>>
>>> >> On May 17, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ?I need to replace the upper and lower oil cooler lines on my 83 300td
>>> due
>>> >> to leaks.. Does anyone have a decent used oil cooler you would be
>>> willing
>>> >> to sell? My tech says that when he disconnects the line from the oil
>>> cooler
>>> >> that will bugger the threads most of the time. Although I can find
>>> sources
>>> >> for the oil cooler lines, the classic center says the oil cooler
>>> itself
>>> is
>>> >> no longer available.
>>> >> Part number must be 126 180 00 65
>>> >>
>>> >> 1983 300td
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Re: [MBZ] Another price drop, having a hard time resisting. Appears to have heated and cooled seats

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Something happened on the passenger side. The headlight is pushed back.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

>
> Would have to pull the covers and see
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz USA Auto Parts Store

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

What you actually want is this:

https://classicparts.mbusa.com

Also not nearly as good as the EPC, but at least covers pre-1983 MB models,
for example W114/115/116/123/126.



On 6/6/2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

Yea, it is just the Revparts database, not even close to EPC, very basic.

On 6/6/2022, Dan Penoff wrote:
> More user friendly than the EPC but little depth. This is not the EPC,
it?s the RevParts database you see on dealer?s parts web sites.
>
> For instance, you can?t get the part number and price for the switches on
my ML steering wheel. You can see them in the diagram, but they?re not in
the parts list. Too bad.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Oh, thank heaven.

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I paid $7.39/gal for diesel yesterday in Calif. Count your blessings!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022, Buggered Benzmail wrote:

>
> I stopped to get a few gallons of gas at a local station. Premium 93 was
> $6.40/gal  I had to look twice, thought it was 5.40. I wonder if this
> was unadulterated stuff for boats. 89 was like 5.30 so I got a few gallons
> of that. Was 4.95 at Costco this evening, it has come down a bit from last
> week.
>
> --FT
>
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Re: [MBZ] Elvis

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I wonder how Mercedes-Benz feels about the missing *Bindestrich* in the
wall signage.
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Re: [MBZ] Logistics and shipping

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

FYI, I got this warning when I went to the Queen of Denmark website that
Rick included in his posting:





Folks,

I do logistics and mail & ups all the time, mixed in with the occasional
LTL motor freight shipments.

I use Endicia (Stamps.com) which is a paid shipping portal for USPS. I used
to use FEDEX and UPS with accounts ?.. NOW I use www.pirateship.com

Pirate Ship is a website which offers USPS and UPS

NO FEES

Anyway ?. I am shipping these around now

Www.queenofDenmark.org 

Rates for UPS are about HALF the rate of using my UPS account

Check it out  ?. I?m amazed ?. And they offer UPS pickup for only 3.80 more

And for mercedes content I do ship some mercedes parts. Ha

Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Peugeots

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Not quite as long a run as the even tougher 504, of which more than three
million were produced between 1968 and 2006!

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022, David Bruckmann wrote:

>
> Although Citroens are dearest to me, I can tell you that there's a reason
> Peugeot 504 and 505 models are still running around in Africa and South
> America... VERY tough cars, although the engines can be hit and miss. Super
> comfortable as well. And when you consider that the 505 debuted *43 years
> ago* and was in production for 18 years through 1997, all the more
> remarkable.
>
> A scene from Bastille Day in San Francisco, Citroens and Peugeots in
> attendance:
>
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>
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[MBZ] Free in Toronto-area - new Spidan driveshaft for W114/115, 123, 107, sunroof wind deflector, rear floor mats S123

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon everyone,

I'm giving away the following items, photos available upon request:

Spidan 22702 driveshaft, never installed, purported to fit W114/115/123/107
models

Bene Vento BV1024, never installed, purported to fit
W114/115/116/123/126/140

Rear floot mats (covering the fitted carpets), blue, from a 1979 300TD

Pickup only, no shipping. Please reply to thread or send me a note offline
d...@bruckmann.com to arrange pickup from Burlington, Ontario, Canada.
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Re: [MBZ] Free in Toronto-area - new Spidan AXLESHAFT for W114/115, 123, 107, sunroof wind deflector, rear floor mats S123 (corrected subject line)

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Correcting to AXLESHAFT from driveshaft. 

> On Dec 20, 2020, at 12:51, David Bruckmann  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good afternoon everyone,
> 
> I'm giving away the following items, photos available upon request:
> 
> Spidan 22702 AXLESHAFT, never installed, purported to fit W114/115/123/107 
> models
> 
> Bene Vento BV1024, never installed, purported to fit W114/115/116/123/126/140
> 
> Rear floot mats (covering the fitted carpets), blue, from a 1979 300TD
> 
> Pickup only, no shipping. Please reply to thread or send me a note offline 
> d...@bruckmann.com to arrange pickup from Burlington, Ontario, Canada.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Russian car with 126 tail lights

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I'd guess it was a Tatra 613.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_613

 

Or maybe a 700:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_700

 


On Sun, 17 Jan 2021, Floyd Thursby wrote:
>
>I?m watching this Netflix movie called The Wasp Network about these Cubanos 
>who were trying to overthrow Fidel back in the 80s or 90s. Scenes set in Cuba 
>show these I guess big Russian sedans that look like they have 126 tail 
>lights. Kinda weird.
>
>The movie is pretty good.
>
>--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Russian car with 126 tail lights

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Or a GAZ Chaika

https://cubanclassics.blogspot.com/2015/06/1987-gaz-14-chaika.html?m=1





>> On Jan 17, 2021, at 19:52, David Bruckmann  wrote:
> I'd guess it was a Tatra 613.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_613
> 
> 
> 
> Or maybe a 700:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_700
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021, Floyd Thursby wrote:
>> 
>> I?m watching this Netflix movie called The Wasp Network about these Cubanos 
>> who were trying to overthrow Fidel back in the 80s or 90s. Scenes set in 
>> Cuba show these I guess big Russian sedans that look like they have 126 tail 
>> lights. Kinda weird.
>> 
>> The movie is pretty good.
>> 
>> --FT
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[MBZ] Best MB cabrio - 124 vs 208 vs 209?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good evening

A friend is considering a classic convertible, either a Saab or MB. 

He was interested in a 2001 W208 (A208, I guess, based on the W202) CLK430 
convertible. Or maybe a later 209. I suggested he consider a W124 cabrio. IMO 
more comfortable and more reliable, just need to be aware of the potential 
wiring nightmare.

So, the question is which of the three options is best, and if it has to be a 
208/209, which is the lesser evil? I don't think he'd consider an SL, by the 
way, but might be convinced if a compelling case could be made. 

Thanks for any and all pointers. 

D. 
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Re: [MBZ] Best MB cabrio - 124 vs 208 vs 209?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

According to Wikipedia:

"Although its design and styling was derived from the E-Class, the mechanical 
underpinnings were based on the smaller C-Class"

and:

"The first-generation W208/C208 CLK was introduced in 1997, and was based on 
the W202 Mercedes-Benz C-Class launched three years earlier."



> On May 7, 2021, Kaleb wrote:
> 
> The 208 is based on the 210 and supposedly very robust. The 209 is based on 
> the c class and supposedly not as good. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] heavier 123 front springs

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Job 32-010 in the W123 Chassis and Body Service Manual Vol 1 has a three-page 
chart for the permissible spring and shock absorber combinations.


> On Jun 24, 2021, Karl Wittnebel wrote:
> 
> I decided to drive the 123 wagon with the motor swap. It is pretty great. I
> put the cat back on to pass CARB. It is a euro wagon, so if it were not
> motor swapped, there would be no way to license it here in CA, lacking as
> it does a federal emissions sticker. With a 2006 motor it can be done, as
> long as it conforms to stock tune and emissions specs for 2006. Which it
> now does.
> 
> Adding the cat back cost some performance for sure. But it also made the
> car far less stinky to drive. It now drives like any modern car, except
> more torque. The exhaust gas recirculation seems very loud also when it is
> on, which seems to be mostly when the car is cold for some reason. I think
> it shuts the VNT vanes down tight to raise the EGP and shunt the exhaust
> back through a cooler to the intake when the cat is cold.
> 
> Anyway, the front springs are a little light for the om648. The car is not
> super low, but the suspension doesn't have enough travel up front, and oil
> pan will hit a concrete parking stop if I drive up too close. I was
> thinking of trying some 126 front springs. Anyone know if they are any
> stiffer? Thanks.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 189, Issue 26

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

You might consider Michelin XZX 165SR15 tires. Available from Coker in the
US, or likely cheaper from Longstone Tyre in the UK, which ships to the US
by FedEx (delivery to me in San Francisco in five days).

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic-car-tyres/volkswagen/karmann-ghia.html

For example, a set of four Michelin XWX 165 x 15 from Longstone will be
$132ea, not including tubes. Shipping is $84.

Yes, they are genuine Michelins, not made under license, and not NOS.

I've had great luck with Longstone and it is the first choice for most
Citroen owners in the US and Canada.

D.


Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2021 18:21:56 -0400
> From: "Allan Streib"
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Subject: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?
>

Very few choices in tires for my Ghia. Vredestein Sprint Classic is
available from TireRack in the size I need.  Never had that brand but the
reviews seem positive.

It's a summer tire (which is fine, I don't plan to drive this car in the
winter) and there is an extensive caution about never driving or flexing
the rubber below 20 degrees F, even just supporting the weight of the car.
So wondering if I'd need to block up the car in the winter in my unheated
garage?

Allan


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>4. Re: Roof replacement and USAA (Kaleb Striplin)
>5. Re: Vredestein tires, any good? (dan penoff.com)
>6. Re: Roof replacement and USAA (Kaleb Striplin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2021 18:21:56 -0400
> From: "Allan Streib" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?
> Message-ID: <2b5ebbd9-8bab-40e3-8da9-f18235cb9...@www.fastmail.com>
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>
> Very few choices in tires for my Ghia. Vredestein Sprint Classic is
> available from TireRack in the size I need.  Never had that brand but the
> reviews seem positive.
>
> It's a summer tire (which is fine, I don't plan to drive this car in the
> winter) and there is an extensive caution about never driving or flexing
> the rubber below 20 degrees F, even just supporting the weight of the car.
> So wondering if I'd need to block up the car in the winter in my unheated
> garage?
>
> Allan
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 22:23:15 +
> From: dan penoff.com 
> To: Okie Benz 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rockauto shipping ripoff
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> That?s the catch with RA. If you can get all your stuff from the same
> place, fine, but once you start getting it from a bunch of different
> locations the shipping makes them uncompetitive.
>
> I have an RSS feed from RA I monitor for my cars. On occasion, there can
> be deals, but they?re rare.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just had to vent about Rockauto. I wanted to order three or four
> miscellaneous parts. Gaskets, filters -- cheap stuff. They had the best
> prices by far. But every item ships from a different location and thus has
> a separate shipping charge. The shipping was more than the cost of the item
> in every case. The total order would have been mostly shipping charges.
> >
> > I went to NAPA website and paid a little more for the parts but I can
> pick it all up in the store tomorrow, no shipping charges.
> >
> > Allan
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 22:24:05 +
> From: dan penoff.com 
> To: Okie Benz 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] replace plug wires?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> And if they do I guarantee you?ll smoke the voltage regulator.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 5, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Also, the affected exhaust runner (?) will be cooler than the others.
> > I had a bad plug wi

Re: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Whoops... sorry about that. Properly trimmed/subjected post:

You might consider Michelin XZX 165SR15 tires. Available from Coker in the
US, or likely cheaper from Longstone Tyre in the UK, which ships to the US
by FedEx (delivery to me in San Francisco in five days).

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic-car-tyres/volkswagen/karmann-ghia.html

For example, a set of four Michelin XWX 165 x 15 from Longstone will be
$132ea, not including tubes. Shipping is $84.

Yes, they are genuine Michelins, not made under license, and not NOS.

I've had great luck with Longstone and it is the first choice for most
Citroen owners in the US and Canada.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I can only say that Michelin XWX, XAS, and other tires of that vintage, 
including the OE tires on 1970s Mercedes-Benz vehicles, required tubes. It has 
more to do with the rim design than the tire. I do not remember whether our 
1973 VW Beetle used tubes or not, but it seems that the giveaway is bias-ply = 
tubes, radials, not so much.

Here's a thread specifically on tires (tyres) for Karmann Ghias:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386917

And again, Longstone would have some guidance on the need (or not) for tubes.

D.


On 8/5/21, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>Tubes? Since when did VWs use tubes in their tires (tyres)?
>
>Just curious?
>
>-D


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Re: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

To clarify: the aforementioned Michelin tires are of course radials, not 
bias-ply. They just aren't tubeless. 

> On Aug 5, 2021, at 19:13, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
> 
> I do not remember whether our 1973 VW Beetle used tubes or not, but it seems 
> that the giveaway is bias-ply = tubes, radials, not so much.

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[MBZ] W108 heater blower motor - accessible through cowl vent channels?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

My '72 280SEL 4.5 has a dead heater blower motor. It was set to "low" and
when I started the car several months ago, electrical smoke emerged from
the area above the motor that contains the filters.

My question: I know that people literally cut through the firewall to
replace the blower in a 115. Is the 108 as bad, or will I be able to
actually reach the fan itself through the air intakes on the cowl to see if
it at least turns. I don't think I can REMOVE the motor that way, but it
would be nice to see if I can at least check whether the fan is seized,
maybe even put a few drops of ATF on the bearings.

Here's a video (from quite a sensible man, in California, with numerous
108-oriented videos) covering the replacement of the cabin air filters
under the cowl. In part of the video, he shows the insides of the cowl area.

Here's the URL

https://youtu.be/55U4y4KqmAE

Thanks for any advice,

D.
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater blower motor - accessible through cowl vent channels?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thanks Jaime, Dan, and Don for your responses. I'll take a crack at it. I
guess I should have bought those W108 cowl filter inserts when they were on
sale from the Classic Centre a couple of months ago!

I'll be spending a few days on the W108 anyway; ordered a new fuel tank
from the Classic Centre (that's a BIG box!) and will be swapping that in
with new fuel lines, filter, sender, etc.

Dan, you mentioned doing this proactively in a W115. Did you access the fan
similarly, by removing the cowl grille? I also have a 115 that I'd like to
treat before it fails.

I REALLY hope that a gentle push and a generous serving of ATF will save
the day, but I fear I'll be digging out the heater box etc instead.

D.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, OK Don wrote:

On the W115, I opened up the front center speaker hole to get the blower
motor out, I didn't cut the firewall. That was the second one. I followed
the manual to replace the first one - took over twice as long.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, Dan Penoff wrote:

What Jaime said.


> I?ve done it in a W114, and it?s nearly as bad as the W108. Not something
> you want to start unless you?ve got a lot of time to spend on it. I have a
> scar on the back of my right hand from when I did the W114.


> One other thing is that if you can determine that the motor is still
> working but seized or not turning well (there are bushings in it that
> typically fail) you can take some of the white 3mm vacuum tubing, the stuff
> that?s used throughout every vintage Mercedes engine compartment, and use
> it like a straw to draw some ATF into it. Thread it down through the cowl
> opening to the back of the motor and let the ATF flow out into the bushing.
> It?s messy, but goes a long way to lube the bushing and keep the motor
> turning. I?ve done this on every W114/W108 I?ve owned to make sure the fan
> motor is lubed up.


> -D


> > On Aug 4, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>

> You can definitely reach the top of the blower to clear out debris and see

> if it turns by removing the cowl.  Its a bit of a reach, but its possible.

>

> Replacement requires removal of the heater box completely.  Its not quite

> as horrible as the internet makes it out to be, but it is a time consuming

> job and care must be taken not to break too many things.

>

> Jaime

>

>

> On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 2:06 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <

> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>

>> Good afternoon,

>>

>> My '72 280SEL 4.5 has a dead heater blower motor. It was set to "low" and

>> when I started the car several months ago, electrical smoke emerged from

>> the area above the motor that contains the filters.

>>

>> My question: I know that people literally cut through the firewall to

>> replace the blower in a 115. Is the 108 as bad, or will I be able to

>> actually reach the fan itself through the air intakes on the cowl to see
> if

>> it at least turns. I don't think I can REMOVE the motor that way, but it

>> would be nice to see if I can at least check whether the fan is seized,

>> maybe even put a few drops of ATF on the bearings.

>>

>> Here's a video (from quite a sensible man, in California, with numerous

>> 108-oriented videos) covering the replacement of the cabin air filters

>> under the cowl. In part of the video, he shows the insides of the cowl

>> area.

>>

>> Here's the URL

>>

>> https://youtu.be/55U4y4KqmAE

>>

>> Thanks for any advice,

>>

>> D.
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[MBZ] Free - W108/W109 fuel tank

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Greetings all,

My proactive fuel tank replacement went very well: 15 minutes out, 15
minutes in.

I now have a gently used fuel tank 109-470-03-01 for anyone who wants it,
free of charge. Located in Oakland, California. No rust, one minor ding,
good condition. Fuel sender NOT included.

Drop me a note if you're interested.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] Free - W108/W109 fuel tank

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I was able to give away the fuel tank.

The lucky recipient showed up in a 300D, painted Jackson-Pollock-style,
where he had had cut off the roof and trunk lid aft of the front seats. A
kind of Mercedes-Camino. Diamondplate floor for the bed.

At least he had the good sense to install a roll bar.

I did not take any pictures. Unfortunately.

D.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 16:51 David Bruckmann  wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> My proactive fuel tank replacement went very well: 15 minutes out, 15
> minutes in.
>
> I now have a gently used fuel tank 109-470-03-01 for anyone who wants it,
> free of charge. Located in Oakland, California. No rust, one minor ding,
> good condition. Fuel sender NOT included.
>
> Drop me a note if you're interested.
>
> D.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty gas tank clean out

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I had understood that citric acid's effectiveness is significantly hampered
by the presence of oil, hence the MB instructions to first use a "de-oiling
agent" in the cooling system before a citric acid flush.


On Fri, 19 Aug 2022, Curt Raymond wrote:

Get 5# of citric acid of the river of big wimmen. It's as good as anything
else and a lot cheaper. Get some water hot and mix in the power until it
stops dissolving the pour it in the tank with a bunch of drywall screws.

It works best hot so jack up your tractor in the sun, strap the tank to a
tire and let it run slow for a couple hours.

A magnet will fish out the screws.

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty gas tank clean out

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

IIRC, automatic dishwashER detergent, laundry detergent intended for
front-loaders (with the "HE" logo), and TSP are all good because they don't
foam. Other detergents foam up and/or do not rinse off easily.


On Fri, 19 Aug 2022, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> Probably a good idea. Dishwasher detergent is a good de-oiler and it
doesn't make suds.

TSP is probably even better.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: West Coast Citroen Rendez Vous Twenty-Two

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(Once again, if anyone's feeling like seeing how the French do it...)

Interest has been strong for this year’s West Coast Citroën Rendez Vous,
October 21st through 23rd, 2022, in Sonora, California

Save $10 per person if you register before September 1, 2022!


*THE VENUE*
After considering locations all the way from Pacific Grove east through
Salinas and San Juan Bautista, we are pleased to announce that we settled
on Sonora.

In the beautiful Sierra Nevada Foothills and at the very heart of
California's "Gold Country", the town is named after the miners from Sonora
Mexico who settled the City in 1848. Known as the "Queen of the Southern
Mines", Sonora still holds on to its historic downtown charm while thriving
as the commercial, government and cultural center for the region.

Our home base for the weekend will be the Best Western Sonora Oaks Hotel.
Rooms include a full breakfast, WiFi, and access to the on-site pool. Our
group rate is $144/night and they've agreed to offer that rate for 30
rooms. After that it is market rate, which is usually about $165/night.

IMPORTANT: in addition to registering for the Rendez Vous here:

https://forms.gle/ENARZ17WhDH8Pp6bA

You MUST separately make a hotel booking at this link:

https://www.bestwestern.com/en_US/book/hotel-rooms.05408.html?groupId=3X5TE0C1


*THE PROGRAMME*
On Friday night you're encouraged to join us for a casual, prepare-your-own
dinner on the hotel BBQ, or drop by for drinks before exploring dinner
options in town. We will send more information about that as the date
approaches.

On Saturday morning we'll head out on a scenic drive through incredibly
beautiful foothills. Our endpoint will be the home of longtime SFRCCC
members Susan and Peter Kendall. There we will enjoy included soft drinks
and whichever of these boxed lunches you’ve selected at registration:

*Thanksgiving*
Roasted Turkey, spiced cranberry sauce, mayo, lettuce, on "stuffing" bread.
*OR*

*Roast Beef*Roasted and sliced tri-tip, horseradish cream cheese spread,
caramelized onions, lettuce, on a ciabatta roll.
*OR*
*Veggie*
Sautéed onions, peppers, and mushrooms, with alfalfa sprouts, tomato,
cucumber, Provolone cheese, fresh hummus, on sliced multi-grain bread.

Over lunch, hang out and chat amongst the cars, and take in a technical
session or two under the lift in Peter's dream garage.

The Kendalls live just 10 minutes away from both downtown Sonora and the
hotel, so Saturday afternoon you can either dip into a museum in town, or
dip into the hotel's pool. Your choice!

From 6pm on Saturday we will enjoy finger food and beverages in advance of
a 7pm plated dinner at the hotel's Oak Glen room. You’ll start with an
appetizer and whichever of these options you selected at registration:

*Grilled Moroccan Chicken Supreme* w/ Black Currant-Tomato Chutney,
Preserved Lemon Rice Pilaf,
Braised Brussels Sprouts w/ Creamy Sriracha & Shaved Asiago
*OR*
*Grilled Ahi Tuna Steak* w/ Mango Salsa, Coconut Rice,
Broccoli, Onion, Red Pepper, Summer Squash Stir-fry
*OR*
*Wild Mushroom Ragout* on Creamy Coconut Polenta w/ Parsnips, Chick Peas &
Miso
Broccoli, Onion, Red Pepper, Summer Squash Stir-fry

Your three-course dinner INCLUDES all soft drinks, wine, beer, and coffee.

During dinner on Saturday night we will enjoy some very special
entertainment and an awards programme.

While there are no planned events on Sunday, we'll be sending you more
information about local sights and driving routes that you can explore
individually.

Also new this year: there are delicious gluten-free and special diet
options for both the boxed lunch and the plated dinner. Just use the
checkbox on the registration form and we will get in touch with you to sort
out the details.


*SEE YOU IN OCTOBER*
We are so pleased to be organizing this year's Rendez Vous, and look
forward to seeing all of you who can join us in Sonora!

To register for Rendez Vous Twenty Two, head over to http://www.sfrccc.org/
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[MBZ] Fuel drain - 24mm hex substitute?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

What do people use for r & r of the fuel filter/drain for W108, 115, 116
etc?

I measured it as a 24mm, but those seem very scarce on the ground. Anyone
used a 15/16ths hex instead? I'd just grab it with vice grips to install,
but it seems pretty fragile.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel drain - 24mm hex substitute?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thanks everyone. Found a 24mm driver for $9, reduced from ~$35. But good to
know about the spark plug socket. I should have thought to try that!


On Tue, 23 Aug 2022, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Randy is correct, you can use an upsidedown spark plug socket.

Jaime


On Mon, Aug 22, Randy Bennell wrote:

> If I recall correctly, I used a spark plug socket upside down. Use the
> socket that has the sort of hex nut machined into the top of it and then
> use an extension pushed in from the bottom. Might need to remove the
> rubber tube that is supposed to hold the spark plug so it does not fall
> out.
>
> Randy
>
>
> > On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:24:40 -0700 David Bruckmann wrote:
> >
> >> Good afternoon,
> >>
> >> What do people use for r & r of the fuel filter/drain for W108, 115,
116
> >> etc?
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Re: [MBZ] Damn CA "Sitting in a Garage" Back Payments to DMV

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

As a Californian with six vehicles, I can tell you that it is completely
normal to have the pink slip, whether or not the registration is paid.

I do *not* know, however, whether the CA government has any agreements with
other states to disallow transfer without payment of the back taxes.

D.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 Dan Penoff wrote:

If you're in a state that will accept a bill of sale rather than a title
you could go that way and avoid the pink slip crap from CA.

Otherwise, you'll have to settle up with CA to get a title.

-D
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[MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson has
retired from the MB Classic Center.
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is nuts.


Kaleb Striplin wrote:
But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
(much
> larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago, but
> hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from them,
> still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
>
> Jaime
>
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does much
>> anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any other dealer
has
>> as far as I know.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson has
>>> retired from the MB Classic Center.
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Re: [MBZ] Cleaning fuel sender

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

They might still be available new from MB. I just bought one for my 108.
Took apart the old one and cleaned it (with DeOxIT) to keep as a spare.


On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

Next I will clean up the fuel sender for the 116. Hopefully it?s able to be
saved. I have not taken the tube off yet. Should I take it off and let it
soak in the parts washer for like a week, or maybe let it soak in something
else before I start cleaning on it?
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Re: [MBZ] Cleaning fuel sender

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I recently stumbled upon Keyes Mercedes in CA. Their prices for many things
are lower than most I've seen online.

For example:
Rubber mat 108-684-01-05
https://parts.keyesmercedes.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-rubber-mat-1086840105

Retail $240, their price $168.48 (29.8% discount). You'd avoid sales tax
being outside CA.

FWIW


On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>It appears the sender is still available but
>is around $200.? I do not believe I have
>one laying around as it appears to be
>only for late gas 116.
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Re: [MBZ] Cleaning fuel sender

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

*Subtotal:* $478.45
*Estimated Shipping to 94609 via Standard Shipping:* $25.82
*Tax:* $45.45
*Total:* $549.72

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 09:39 Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Their price for a GLK 250 fuel filler cap was good but shopping was
> expensive.  Is there a limit above which ground shipping is free?
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 12:28 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently stumbled upon Keyes Mercedes in CA. Their prices for many
>> things
>> are lower than most I've seen online.
>>
>> For example:
>> Rubber mat 108-684-01-05
>>
>> https://parts.keyesmercedes.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-rubber-mat-1086840105
>>
>> Retail $240, their price $168.48 (29.8% discount). You'd avoid sales tax
>> being outside CA.
>>
>> FWIW
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>> >
>> >It appears the sender is still available but
>> >is around $200.? I do not believe I have
>> >one laying around as it appears to be
>> >only for late gas 116.
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[MBZ] W116 adjustment of power windows

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

I'm noticing on my W116 that the power windows, particularly the front
passenger-side, "twist" as the are raised/lowered. Meaning the window tips
forward during raising and backward during lowering.

Is there some kind of adjustment of the vertical rails in the door? I see
there's inboard/outboard adjustment for the vertical rail, but I don't see
a fore-aft adjustment.

Or, put another way, how do I get the window to stop twisting like that.

Thanks,

D.

PS: the genuine front driver's side regulator is NLA, passenger side is
still out there but I assume not for long. My replacement aftermarket
lifter for the driver's side lasted about two weeks.
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Re: [MBZ] W116 adjustment of power windows

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

If you mean the "clamping jaw" that rides the vertical rail, I replaced
that. I also replaced the (NLA!) regulator kit that slides along the
horizontal railing below the glass. It surprises me that they are NLA,
since they're basically consumable.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, Mitch wrote:

>
> On 2022-09-27 15:57, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > I'm noticing on my W116 that the power windows, particularly the front
> > passenger-side, "twist" as the are raised/lowered. Meaning the window
> > tips
> > forward during raising and backward during lowering.
> >
> > Is there some kind of adjustment of the vertical rails in the door? I
> > see
> > there's inboard/outboard adjustment for the vertical rail, but I don't
> > see
> > a fore-aft adjustment.
> >
> > Or, put another way, how do I get the window to stop twisting like
> > that.
>
> There's a plastic guide piece that probably disintegrated 20 years ago.
> But I don't remember the details. Seems like there was a repair kit for
> under $10 each, probably $40 each these days.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater levers - disconnecting tips?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Replacing the previously embedded image, which somehow ended up being an
HEIC-esque format.
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Re: [MBZ] This is an odd one -- R129 280SL M110 engine

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The R129 never came with an M110. It was either an M104 or an M112, and in
both cases not in the US and not marketed as a 280SL, rather as an SL280.
It certainly would not have shipped with a carb, which this one appears to
have.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 8:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The car is trashed but interesting build on an early 129
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/380016374317762
>
> --
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Quick tour of Okie Acres and shop

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I'm glad to that the brown California W115 300D you kindly adopted from my
colleague, featured in your video, is among the chosen ones.  That's a
well-sorted, excellent car. Just a mysterious, progressive loss of oil
pressure (even at speed) en route from California to Montréal. But lots of
new parts, incl the windshield and seal, prop shaft bearing, etc.

On 30 Nov 2022, Kaleb Striplin

wrote:

https://youtu.be/Ubj4RRlWAhw

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] service manuals

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Specifically:

https://handbook.w116.org/Engine/117/07_3-MechElec/

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, Allan Streib wrote:

>
> Check https://www.w116.org/
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, at 18:16, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Does anyone have the 116 service manuals uploaded somewhere, or have a
> > link?? I might have the CDs around here somewhere but not sure where.
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Re: [MBZ] It?s a shame this is a turd?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Duh! Seat heater switches.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, David Bruckmann wrote:

> I wonder what the buttons are on both B-pillars...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I have the CD and can send you the CIS sections tomorrow night. Just LMK
which jobs you want.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>I am looking thru what is available on
>116. Some good info is there but the
>sections I really need Str missing. I need
>to dig thru WIS and see what?s there.
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[MBZ] Seeking 1976 300D accelerator linkage

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

My 1976 300D's accelerator linkage has come apart. This is the stamped
piece attached to the valve cover immediately before the rod that descends
to the injection pump. The failure is that one of the balls has come loose
from the stamping, meaning that it becomes detached while driving, leading
to "loss of control" as NHTSA would say.

I was initially hopeful because I was able to order (and pay for) said
linkage (know as LEVER, CONTROL A6170700022,
https://partssearch.mercedes-benz-classic.com/parts/A6170700022 ), but
after two weeks and confirmation with Tom Hanson, the part is definitely
NLA. Too bad, because at under $20 it seemed like a no brainer.

This part was used *only *on 1975-76 300D 617.910 non-turbo engines. Alas,
the non-turbo W123 had a different linkage, even though they used the same
engine.

So, options are:

1. Find a used one (*DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE THIS PART?*)

2. Repair the one I have. I was thinking of using solder to prevent the
ball from being pulled out of the stamping, but I don't thnk that's likely
to succeed in the long term.

Would welcome ideas on either front!

D.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 189, Issue 149

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I would echo others on this point... there's a noticeable difference in
quality for any rubber-related parts.

Also the fitment can be dodgy: I had one set of mounts from Febi-Bilstein
that just did NOT want to settle into place because the metal part was
slightly wrong, one set of Meyle ("Germany", LOL) that were OK, and of
course genuine MB was fine. This was on rust-free California cars (R107,
W115 x 2). I spent most of my life in Toronto, where road salt is spread
with abandon, so I could imagine how this could easily go south with any
corrosion. I would urge you to apply Liquid Wrench or its equivalent and
then wait hours/days for it to work its way in. The captive nuts are indeed
tricky.

D.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

> > Just get them from the dealer.  Most are still available, and ones that
> > were not are coming back.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 12:10 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The motor mounts likely should be done too but it appears that it is
> >> getting much more difficult to get good ones.
> >> Do you suggest just getting whatever I can and live with the idea that
> >> they are not going to last as long as the existing ones?
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> On 30/08/2021 10:50 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> The bolts that go through the center of the mounts are the most risky.
> >> As
> >>> Dan said, soak them.  The unique captured nut they spin into can be
> >> damaged
> >>> if the bolt is rusted to it and you try to remove it aggressively.  I
> >> don't
> >>> find it to be a problem very often.  There is a torque spec for those
> >> bolts
> >>> and it's not very much... maybe 50nm?  Don't over tighten them.
> >>>
> >>> Do one side at a time.  Remove the calipers and tie them up so you
> don't
> >>> stretch on the brake hoses, or disconnect the hoses and cap them.
> After
> >>> removing the bolts for the mount on one side, the subframe will come
> down
> >>> some but will then be limited by the engine.  At this point you can
> undo
> >>> the center bolt on the engine mount to pull the subframe down further.
> >> Its
> >>> also a great time to change the engine mounts, of course.  A floor jack
> >> is
> >>> useful to support things and move them back into place.  And make sure
> >>> you're not stressing the engine fan against the shroud.
> >>>
> >>> You can usually pry out the mounts from the subframe with little
> effort.
> >>> Installing the new ones is much easier with a rubber lubricant.  I use
> >> the
> >>> MB stuff, but I suppose you can use soap and water also.
> >>>
> >>> It's really not a terrible job unless there is rust.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck!
> >>> Jaime
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 11:38 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Start soaking the bolts with Kroil.
> 
>  Jaime might chime in here, but if it?s the same as doing the subframe
>  bushings on a W114, it?s not a bad job, just time consuming. Unless
> >> there?s
>  a lot of corrosion I wouldn?t think the bolts would be tough to get
> out.
> 
>  -D
> 
> > On Aug 30, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > Anyone have advice for installation?
> >
> > I have obtained them but not yet installed them. I do not want to
> break
>  off any of the bolts.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W115 front subframe bushings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

(corrected subject line - sorry!)

I would echo others on this point... there's a noticeable difference in
quality for any rubber-related parts.

Also the fitment can be dodgy: I had one set of mounts from Febi-Bilstein
that just did NOT want to settle into place because the metal part was
slightly wrong, one set of Meyle ("Germany", LOL) that were OK, and of
course genuine MB was fine. This was on rust-free California cars (R107,
W115 x 2). I spent most of my life in Toronto, where road salt is spread
with abandon, so I could imagine how this could easily go south with any
corrosion. I would urge you to apply Liquid Wrench or its equivalent and
then wait hours/days for it to work its way in. The captive nuts are indeed
tricky.

D.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

> > Just get them from the dealer.  Most are still available, and ones that
> > were not are coming back.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 12:10 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The motor mounts likely should be done too but it appears that it is
> >> getting much more difficult to get good ones.
> >> Do you suggest just getting whatever I can and live with the idea that
> >> they are not going to last as long as the existing ones?
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> On 30/08/2021 10:50 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> The bolts that go through the center of the mounts are the most risky.
> >> As
> >>> Dan said, soak them.  The unique captured nut they spin into can be
> >> damaged
> >>> if the bolt is rusted to it and you try to remove it aggressively.  I
> >> don't
> >>> find it to be a problem very often.  There is a torque spec for those
> >> bolts
> >>> and it's not very much... maybe 50nm?  Don't over tighten them.
> >>>
> >>> Do one side at a time.  Remove the calipers and tie them up so you
> don't
> >>> stretch on the brake hoses, or disconnect the hoses and cap them.
> After
> >>> removing the bolts for the mount on one side, the subframe will come
> down
> >>> some but will then be limited by the engine.  At this point you can
> undo
> >>> the center bolt on the engine mount to pull the subframe down further.
> >> Its
> >>> also a great time to change the engine mounts, of course.  A floor jack
> >> is
> >>> useful to support things and move them back into place.  And make sure
> >>> you're not stressing the engine fan against the shroud.
> >>>
> >>> You can usually pry out the mounts from the subframe with little
> effort.
> >>> Installing the new ones is much easier with a rubber lubricant.  I use
> >> the
> >>> MB stuff, but I suppose you can use soap and water also.
> >>>
> >>> It's really not a terrible job unless there is rust.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck!
> >>> Jaime
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 11:38 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Start soaking the bolts with Kroil.
> 
>  Jaime might chime in here, but if it?s the same as doing the subframe
>  bushings on a W114, it?s not a bad job, just time consuming. Unless
> >> there?s
>  a lot of corrosion I wouldn?t think the bolts would be tough to get
> out.
> 
>  -D
> 
> > On Aug 30, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > Anyone have advice for installation?
> >
> > I have obtained them but not yet installed them. I do not want to
> break
>  off any of the bolts.
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Re: [MBZ] Seeking 1976 300D accelerator linkage

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thanks everyone for your responses.

I managed to find a 1976 300D at a PickNPull about 1.5h away. Scored said
linkage (also a little loose, but at least not separated) along with a
miscellany of other bits. They had a W114 250C and a W108 280SE 4.5. Always
amazes me in California that cars with NO rust or other obvious damage are
sent to the crusher.

Might go back for the windshield out of that W108 and the electric window
mechanisms.

Kaleb, were you serious about the JB Weld?

D.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 Frederick Moir wrote:
>
>Could the lever be drilled and a nut secured ball be used. I have one
>somewhere, if it helps
>Fred
>
>On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 3:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>wrote:
>
> Could you use small heim joints and make your own replacement linkage?
>
>
>
> On 27/08/2021 1:49 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > My 1976 300D's accelerator linkage has come apart. This is the stamped
> > piece attached to the valve cover immediately before the rod that
> descends
> > to the injection pump. The failure is that one of the balls has come
> loose
> > from the stamping, meaning that it becomes detached while driving,
> leading
> > to "loss of control" as NHTSA would say.
> >
> > I was initially hopeful because I was able to order (and pay for) said
> > linkage (know as LEVER, CONTROL A6170700022,
> > https://partssearch.mercedes-benz-classic.com/parts/A6170700022 ), but
> > after two weeks and confirmation with Tom Hanson, the part is definitely
> > NLA. Too bad, because at under $20 it seemed like a no brainer.
> >
> > This part was used *only *on 1975-76 300D 617.910 non-turbo engines.
> Alas,
> > the non-turbo W123 had a different linkage, even though they used the
> same
> > engine.
> >
> > So, options are:
> >
> > 1. Find a used one (*DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE THIS PART?*)
> >
> > 2. Repair the one I have. I was thinking of using solder to prevent the
> > ball from being pulled out of the stamping, but I don't thnk that's
> likely
> > to succeed in the long term.
> >
> > Would welcome ideas on either front!
> >
> > D.

>
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[MBZ] W108 power window motor removal

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Greetings,

Any tricks to getting the electric window motor out of the driver's door on a 
W108? Headed the pick n pull on Saturday and it has been so long I don't 
remember how to do it. No 12V of course, so "rolling it down" isn't an option.

Thanks for any tips.

D.

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Re: [MBZ] W108 power window motor removal

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thanks to Loren Faith and Jim Cathey for responding. 

Update on this topic, and for future reference: I was able to remove the entire 
lifter assembly, including the attached motor, by simply removing all the 10mm 
nuts securing the assembly to the door, and by removing the clip and sliding 
joint at the base of the glass. No need for power, took about five minutes 
total. 

D. 

> On Sep 10, 2021, at 21:54, David Bruckmann  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Any tricks to getting the electric window motor out of the driver's door on a 
> W108? Headed the pick n pull on Saturday and it has been so long I don't 
> remember how to do it. No 12V of course, so "rolling it down" isn't an option.
> 
> Thanks for any tips.
> 
> D.

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Re: [MBZ] My new lift

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I may have missed the run up to this momentous occasion, but what are the 
particulars? 

Looks like a two-post lift, but I don't see any connection between the two 
sides. Is it in the floor, or is there a hoop above the whole thing to link the 
two sides?

D. 

> On Sep 22, 2021, Dimitri wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 300D tire size best choice?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Alas, Michelin no longer makes the Defender in relevant 14" sizes.

I have always used Michelins and generally had excellent experience with them 
EXCEPT the last set, which instead of being made in Canada were made in Mexico. 
The car simply didn't track straight with them. Had the alignment done twice to 
no avail... turned out it was the tires. 

For my W116.120 I'm considering going to a Kumho Solus 195/75R14, which most 
closely resembles the OE 185HR14 tires. Those tires had about an "80" aspect 
ratio.

I need to buy four sets of 14" tires, so this will be a fateful first step. 

Vredestein, if you mean their Sprint Classic, is more than $200/tire. At that 
point I'd go for genuine Michelin XWX, which are around $300/ea. 

D. 

 On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:14 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Michelin Defenders.
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 3, 2021, at 2:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>> ?Time to put a set of tires on one of my 300D cars. I've located a local
>> source that can supply Hancock Optimo H724 tires in 185x75xR14.
>> Question:
>> Is the 185 x 75 tire an OK size for the 300D?
>> Any experience with Hancock?
>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [MBZ] 300D tire size best choice?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Ah, well I guess the point is that there are many possible Vredestein
options, but the one I assumed you meant, for the 14" rims being discussed,
was the Sprint Classic.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 9:30 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> 235/50R19 99H Vredensteins on my 2014 GLK 250 were roughly $160 +
> mounting. Price has since gone up.
>
>>
>>
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[MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good day,

Sorry for the OT question, but I figured someone here might have experience
w Sonic fibre internet service. They're laying fibre all throughout Oakland
and pushing their service very hard. I currently have AT&T DSL and it
hasn't been the best. Replaced the modem but it is still not the best
bandwidth to begin with.

Their online forum responses seem to be prompt, helpful, and informative.

Just wondered if anyone here can echo or dispute the above WRT to
fibre-to-the-house service.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thanks everyone for the responses.

The provider is promising 1,000Mbps fibre to the house for $39.99/mo. Also
included is a phone line with unlimited calling to 60+ countries.

Seems like a good deal.
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[MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Greetings,

In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in 
attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All of 
the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre.

Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 models. 
Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" ignition tumbler 
with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" tumbler may actually 
use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called "sidewinder" key, but 
Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the more 
conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, 
ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded 
service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.

I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are 
still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact 
that my local dealer was unable to determine.

My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service 
tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by wear 
of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in the 
housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before cleaning, 
lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.

If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a 
sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can 
modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.

I posted on this (R107) thread:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4

where there's a useful link to 
https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread 
https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ 
which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.

Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a 
competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!

D.

-- 
David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA
Current Reality:
1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
Shady Past:
1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km)
1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)

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Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Update: I received the replacement generic tumbler and it is indeed the simpler 
(non-sidewinder) style key. FWIW, they provide two keys.

Next step will be to temporarily install the generic tumbler and then bravely 
dismantle the original.

D.


On 10/23/21, David Bruckmann wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in 
>attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All 
>of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre.
>
>Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 
>models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" 
>ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" 
>tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called 
>"sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the 
>more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, 
>ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded 
>service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.
>
>I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are 
>still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact 
>that my local dealer was unable to determine.
>
>My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service 
>tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by 
>wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in 
>the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before 
>cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.
>
>If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a 
>sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can 
>modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.
>
>I posted on this (R107) thread:
>
>https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4
>
>where there's a useful link to 
>https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread 
>https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ 
>which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.
>
>Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a 
>competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!
>
>D.

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Re: [MBZ] 1986 190E 2.3 16V Cosworth - 137k miles - $14.900

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Yes, some 116s and 201s used sidewinder keys. Hence the A201 etc part number 
for the replacement keys. 

> On Nov 7, 2021, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: 
> 
> Is that a sidewinder or electronic key? (it has a plastic red dot on the
> base)

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Re: [MBZ] 1986 190E 2.3 16V Cosworth - 137k miles - $14.900

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The red dot indicates the presence of a factory alarm system in the subject 
vehicle. It doesn't actually "do" anything, it's just an indicator. 

Replacement key tops never had the dot. 

> On Nov 7, 2021, at 12:36, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> What's with the red dot?
> 
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 11:30 AM David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Yes, some 116s and 201s used sidewinder keys. Hence the A201 etc part number 
>> for the replacement keys. 
>> 
>> > On Nov 7, 2021, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Is that a sidewinder or electronic key? (it has a plastic red dot on the
>> > base)
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

As I recall, the factory used red loctite, which requires heat to
deactivate.
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Re: [MBZ] Citric acid flush

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

As Jaime mentioned, laundry detergent is best. And I recall when this was a
topic during Dr. Booth's presence on this list, a key point was to seek out
so-called "HE" (high efficiency) detergent intended for front-loading
washers. It is the least "foamy". Not sure if that still matters, with the
current ubiquity of front-loaders in the US.

I can't see why it would need to be powder. The key point is that it
circulate and clean. I would think it would be important to RINSE very
thoroughly.

AND DON'T FORGET TO CHANGE YOUR FUSES!

D.
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[MBZ] W116 or R107 exterior door handle adjustment

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good day all,

My W116 300SD's rear driver's side exterior door handle requires an
increasingly FORCEFUL tug to open the door. I know I have adjusted this
once before, but cannot find the information in the factory manuals or in
my email from this list.

If anyone has any tips... the irony is that I have done this adjustment
before on the driver's door, so I obviously had the instructions somewhere!
It would be the same as on the R107, which I also have!

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] W116 or R107 exterior door handle adjustment

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

For what it's worth, they are easily adjusted.

There's a Peachparts forum posting about this, here:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/212493-exterior-door-handles-not-unlatching-door-w116.html



On 19 January 2022, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>I didn't know that was adjustable. I have the same issue on my W116 rear
passenger door.
>Interested in how it's done.
>
>Allan
>
>On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, at 12:51 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Good day all,
>>
>> My W116 300SD's rear driver's side exterior door handle requires an
>> increasingly FORCEFUL tug to open the door. I know I have adjusted this
>> once before, but cannot find the information in the factory manuals or in
>> my email from this list.
>>
>> If anyone has any tips... the irony is that I have done this adjustment
>> before on the driver's door, so I obviously had the instructions
somewhere!
>> It would be the same as on the R107, which I also have!
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
>>
>> D.
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Re: [MBZ] Windshield gaskets on cars such as the 123

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

There is a specific sealant specified by Mercedes-Benz. It is not
prohibitively expensive and remains firm but pliant for years. I believe it
is identified by part number in the windshield replacement instructions.


Kaleb Striplin wrote:

*When replacing these, you install the gasket and do not use any sort of
sealant, correct? If using a sealant, seems like maybe it would cause rust?*
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Re: [MBZ] Thistle? Green -- One owner Mercedes 240D - $25, 900 (southside)

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

That's Caledoniengrün. But what's with the gaudy pinstripe and the dark
green door frames?


On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 Floyd Thursby wrote:

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-one-owner-mercedes-240d/7592225671.html
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Re: [MBZ] 600SL for somebody

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

A distant acquaintance of mine scored one several months ago. He didn't
realise until he saw the car that it was the V12.

In very good condition (Silicon Valley) and well maintained by someone with
a lot of money. Are they really such a nightmare to keep on the road?

D.


On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, Kaleb wrote:

>
> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 17:44:08 -0500
> From: Kaleb Striplin 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] 600SL for somebody
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/951975022601653/?mibextid=6ojiHh
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

If you mean the (exorbitantly priced) little kit w spring clip and nylon
washer that links the lifter to the glass carrier rail, it is NLA from
Mercedes-Benz. Which I find surprising, since it's practically a
consumable.

The sliding jaws were still available when I ordered some for my 116 a few
months ago.

D.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

The door panel can be removed in under 10 minutes to trouble shoot.  As I
said, it's usually the plastic slide on the regulator arm.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

> I'm not sure, but the rear window dose
> not role down, but it appears to be
> stuck down.
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I may have missed it, but did you confirm there's actually power at the
relay? In other words, put a meter between the (supposed) 12V feed and a
ground point such as the engine or negative battery terminal. I don't
remember if the W124 relays have a strip fuse like the W116 and later W123
relays...

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This
stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something
close by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either
leave your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original
wiring until you find the connection to ground.
>
> Randy
>
>
>> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> So I?m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a
test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which
corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I?m guessing the
ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car,
the relay is grounded? Thanks.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and
report back.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 ?Dimitri.
 The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable.
 N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure
to
 keep them in order.
 Simple test for ground.
 Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on
 battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights
brightly,
 the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good
 enough to power the relay.
 A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will
pass
 enough current to work.
 If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise.
 Fred.

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>
> 
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W116 parking brakes

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

AFAIK, only the 6.9 had torque compensation. I would imagine the chapter on
the rear axle would cover which models had what design.


Craig wrote:

Has anyone had experience with these? Or those of another model?

I am reading 42-530 and it isn't entirely clear.

It has illustrations of two rear brake and parking brake assemblies.

The first is titled, "Diagonal swing axle layout."

The second is titled, "Diagonal swing axle with initial torque
   compensation."

It does not, however, tell how to distinguish between the two or how to
determine which one's car has.

The difference is in the reassembly:

11. Install adjusting device (21 through 23) in both brake shoes, that
adjusting wheel (22) of diagonal swing axle faces forward.

  versus

12. Adjusting wheel (22) of diagonal swing axle with starting torque
compensation must face down.


In addition, getting the springs out without the special tools is rather
difficult. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


Craig
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[MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good day,

I'm in the middle of the nightmare of removing the heater core from my
W108.068. This was prompted by the death of the fan motor. Since I'm in
there and they're leaking a tad, I will be replacing the o-rings at the two
valves. I gather it's 000-835-12-98 and 000-835-13-98 and that one or the
other is NLA from MB.

Does anyone have any leads on the substitute? I gather one or the other is
an x-profile, which I'm betting is what's NLA.

Appreciate any thoughts on the o-rings, cables, or any other aspect of this
epic job.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The trouble is that the NLA rings are not o-rings, they are an x profile.


On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 Dan Penoff wrote:

>
> Of course they're metric, but you should be able to find something in the
> "majik boxes" at your local hardware store. Not sure where I got my last
> set, but it wasn't from Mercedes.
>
> -D
> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thank you Allan, will check that out.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 07:35 Allan Streib  wrote:

> https://www.mcmaster.com/products/o-rings/cross-section-shape~x/
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023, at 09:31, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
> > The trouble is that the NLA rings are not o-rings, they are an x profile.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 Dan Penoff wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Of course they're metric, but you should be able to find something in
> the
> >> "majik boxes" at your local hardware store. Not sure where I got my last
> >> set, but it wasn't from Mercedes.
> >>
> >> -D
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

False alarm! Turns out both of these o-rings are available once again from
MB:

Seal Ring, VLRUB - Mercedes-Benz (000-835-58-98)
Replaces 000-835-12-98
MSRP: $7.00
Discount: $1.81 (25.9% off)
Sale Price: $5.19

Seal - Mercedes-Benz (000-835-48-98)
MSRP: $3.40
Discount: $0.88 (25.9% off)
Sale Price: $2.52



On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 1:51 PM David Bruckmann  wrote:

> Good day,
>
> I'm in the middle of the nightmare of removing the heater core from my
> W108.068. This was prompted by the death of the fan motor. Since I'm in
> there and they're leaking a tad, I will be replacing the o-rings at the two
> valves. I gather it's 000-835-12-98 and 000-835-13-98 and that one or the
> other is NLA from MB.
>
> Does anyone have any leads on the substitute? I gather one or the other is
> an x-profile, which I'm betting is what's NLA.
>
> Appreciate any thoughts on the o-rings, cables, or any other aspect of
> this epic job.
>
> D.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most closely
matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
previously!


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
> Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin discontinued
> them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
> that Walmart is having a sale.
>
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to Vredstein
> V
> > rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did one
> SDL
> > in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
> > midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
> extreme,
> > but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
> >
> >
> > Clay
> >
> > > On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
> cars?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them, but bad
enough that I would never repeat the error.

I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citroëns several times over the
years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies. For a
while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.

The 2CV got a set of
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS got
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the *front*
and narrower https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html on
the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!

The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free shipping.
Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90), but
also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.

D.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> "Vague" in a good way or ...?
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 2:25 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most
>> closely
>> matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
>> tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
>> previously!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin
>> discontinued
>> > them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
>> > that Walmart is having a sale.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to
>> Vredstein
>> > V
>> > > rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did
>> one
>> > SDL
>> > > in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
>> > > midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
>> > extreme,
>> > > but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Clay
>> > >
>> > > > On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
>> > cars?
>> >
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Longstone has Michelin XWX in 205/70/14, but they're even more expensive:

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-70-14/205-70wr14-michelin-xwx.html

Ditto the Pirelli Cinturato:

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/195-75-14/205-70wr14-pirelli-cinturato-cn36.html

D.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
>
> Where can I find genuine Micehlins in my size?  205/70/14
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 3:32?PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Those 2CV tires are adorable.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2023, at 12:02 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them,
> but
> > bad
> > > enough that I would never repeat the error.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
> > > Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citro?ns several times over
> the
> > > years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies. For
> a
> > > while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.
> > >
> > > The 2CV got a set of
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS
> got
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the
> > *front*
> > > and narrower
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html
> > on
> > > the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!
> > >
> > > The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
> > > California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free
> > shipping.
> > > Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90),
> but
> > > also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The tires are tubeless, but would originally have had tubes and can be run
safely with or without depending on the application.

On the DS, with rim landings that are not "safety landings", you ought to
run tubes, but plenty of people do not. The 2CV tires are also tubeless.
But since the rims frequently leak, tubes are a help. In both cases the
tires are designed to safely accommodate tubes, not a given for most modern
tires because of heat buildup.

And yes, price is high, but again depends on how you use the car. Export
price is without VAT. Free shipping to the US.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 Craig wrote:

>
>
> I noticed on all of their pages, Longstone has inner tubes listed.
>
> Were the original fitments with inner tubes?
>
> Are they helpful or required?
>
> I also noticed they list prices both with and without VAT.
> Which price does a US buyer pay?
>
>
> > > Longstone has Michelin XWX in 205/70/14, but they're even more
> > > expensive:
> > >
> > >
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-70-14/205-70wr14-michelin-xwx.html
> >
> > I'll settle for vague...
>
> I will agree with Andrew -- nearly $500 for an automobile tire is quite
> high. I can buy tires for my Kenworth for that, and those tires weigh on
> the order of 135 pounds!
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chrysler Maserati

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The Chrysler TC had a particularly special ability to set itself on fire:

https://jalopnik.com/how-the-chrysler-tc-by-maserati-could-set-itself-on-fir-1847027186


On 2023-08-02 19:26, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

> > Parked next to a small red convertible today, it had Maserati badging
> > but looked a lot like a K car. It was a Chrysler TC ?by Maserati.?
> >
> > Had never heard of this crossbreed. I can only imagine the Maserati
> > employees in Italy must have been horrified at having to build them.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT I always thought these were really cool 1980 Maserati merak ss, $65, 500

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Yay! There's a Citroën SM buried underneath all that Eyetalian sheet metal.

D.

On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, Floyd Thursby wrote:

I doubt if I could fit in it but it is still cool

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/404255535531873

-- 
--FT
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Re: [MBZ] MBCA

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I was taken by surprise when the dues went up recently. I gather the MBCA
was haemorrhaging members by the thousands, so much so that the kickback
that used to come to the local chapters from the "National" level were
suspended, meaning locals had to scramble to raise funds. Others here
likely know a lot more of the details behind that.

I used to enjoy the *Star* magazine, but since their "redesign" they have
almost completely abandoned the tech columns that were really, for me, the
item of primary interest. Not because it isn't possible to find the tech
info online, but because of the variety of things that I wouldn't
necessarily be exposed to for myself; you never know what you might own in
future. I did find their occasional online events pretty good.

For me, the dealer discount isn't worth it because retail dealer prices are
way overinflated. I'd sooner order online from a dealer; the 25-35%
discount on internet orders far exceeds the MBCA discount.

The local MBCA chapter near San Francisco runs First Sunday Drives, but
those seem to involve pretty much only newer MBs. Any of my 1970s MBs would
easily be the oldest vehicles there, by a couple of decades. Lots of
post-2010, computerised appliances that I just have no interest in seeing.
They don't seem to get that it was the W123/W126 that *defined*
dependability for Mercedes.

As with any car club, it's always the same people slaving away, running
everything until they're finally broken and quit. I've seen it with the
Citroën club, the Arcane Club, the Renault club, and lately with the MBCA
Bay Area chapter.

D.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 Bob Rentfro wrote:

>
> Anyone participate in this group anymore?
>
> I remember in the late 90s and the early naughts that were, at least here
> in AZ, not really a living group. Membership did afford me a discount when
> I purchased parts at the dealer, one rally-ish journey up the mountain once
> a year, and a Christmas Dinner.
>
> I wonder if the group is evolving just as MB owners are evolving.
>
> AZBob
>
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[MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengrün paint with no rust,
took it on the chin. Literally.

Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from "minor"
damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is on
a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.

I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted. Calling
my agent now.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
metal and paint.

On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
lines, and pads.

D.


Subject: Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114
Message-ID: <2b7313dd-013d-426c-bb2b-aacb756b6...@penoff.com>
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Title says it all, Randy.

David, sorry to hear this, but on the bright side you and your
passenger(s), if any, were probably able to walk away from this with nary a
scratch.

I hope you can get some kind of a good settlement. If it?s any consolation,
my former 1998 E320 wagon got rear-ended recently, and initially the
insurance company wanted to fix it. After the body shop got into it, the
insurer decided they wanted to total the car out. 225k on the clock, solid,
well-maintained, but was developing some ?patina?, shall we say.

They offered $5300 out of the gate. I paid $3k for the car in 2017 with
175k in the clock as I recall.

I took the money. Probably could have griped and gotten a little more, but
I just didn?t have the time to deal with it.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:21?PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> ?On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
>> path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengr?n paint with no
rust,
>> took it on the chin. Literally.
>>
>> Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
>> etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from
"minor"
>> damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
>> concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is
on
>> a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.
>>
>> I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted.
Calling
>> my agent now.
>>
>> D.
>
> Every classic driver's worst nightmare.
>
> What did you hit and how well did it stand up to the old MB? Is this a
W115 or a W123? They sold both in 1976.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I have no collision coverage on any of my six (now five, alas) cars, under
the logic that I would never cause an accident and that the other party
would be insured -- because that's the law. If I did happen to cause an
accident, my liability coverage would handle the other party's claim, and
my punishment would be no relief from whatever damages my side sustained.

Alas, I did not take into account that, unlike my native Toronto, here in
the US it's not uncommon to have uninsured drivers. Which, given how
litigious people are here, seems crazy.

Absent collision coverage, I'm limited to the paltry Uninsured Driver
coverage, which makes no attempt to represent the vehicle's value.

D.


Dan Penoff wrote:

Ouch. As we say in my family, ?Hindsight is always 50-50,? this is a
perfect example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a
$1500 car.

I?ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at
least not one that low. Wouldn?t this be covered under your uninsured
motorist part of the policy?

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:33?PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
> metal and paint.
>
> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake
calipers,
> lines, and pads.
>
> D.
>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Yes, there's a separate line for bodily injury etc. Those amounts are much
higher for obvious reasons.


On Wed, May 8, 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

Correct me if I?m wrong, but uninsured motorist is to cover your injuries
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Re: [MBZ] Digest

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I also make occasional use of the archives.


On Mon, 10 Jun 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>I'm sorry, I guess digest is not what I
>meant, I meant the archives.  Still no
>value?
>
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