Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

my thought is not so much curing cancer as preventing it.  i think i've
read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
lifetime.  this basically means getting cancer is normal, which seems
obscene to me and not consistent with my understanding of the historical
record


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> You can't yet think of a "cure" for cancer as that is not really how it
> works (sorta, with some exceptions, sorta).  The idea is to beat it down
> and keep it down if possible, which, sadly, is not yet generally possible.
>  Progress is measured in very small incremental steps measured in fractions
> of a percent in 1year, 5 year, etc. survival.  It does add up though.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Craig  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:24:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>  wrote:
>
> > Sure hope nobody hoped he got it.
> > All kidding aside that sucks and you would have thought they would have
> > found a cure by now.
>
> Cancer is a tough nut to crack. Normal cells have surface friction that
> helps hold them in place. The surfaces of cancer cells have much reduced
> surface friction; that's why they can travel around on their own (or as
> the medical types say, metastasize).
>
> I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I
> don't remember exactly what it was.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again

[Gary Hurst]

i know a guy who sells parts who is dead reliable and still pushes the good
stuff.  ships everything too at the same time he charges it so none of this
"i charged all the cards and then mysteriously was too incapacitated to
ship, but will explain it all later."  just the right parts delivered fast!


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> That's all he's done since May.  Just a handful of vague statements that
> say something to the effect of "you're picking on me and don't know what
> I'm going through. Stay tuned for an explanation."   F(@& that!  That
> something that a lying sack of feces says, an honest person would say,
> "here's my problem, can you help?"  ESPECIALLY TO A MENTOR LIKE RUSTY. If
> he's hiding things from Rusty, he's lying to us too.
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)
>
> On 7/29/2013 5:39 PM, clay wrote:
>
>> Trent made an appearance to make a vague statement about future
>> clarification.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again

[Gary Hurst]

hattaway and i tend to show up together, like batman and bruce wayne.
hm, makes ya think, huh?


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> i know a guy who sells parts who is dead reliable and still pushes the
>> good
>> stuff.  ships everything too at the same time he charges it so none of
>> this
>> "i charged all the cards and then mysteriously was too incapacitated to
>> ship, but will explain it all later."  just the right parts delivered
>> fast!
>>
>
> Another blast from the past. First Hattaway then Hursty.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone ever successfully obtain a title by surety bond in Illinois?

[Gary Hurst]

georgia is the same way.  someone has to pay all the back taxes or the car
doesn't get on the road


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> California is worse.
>
> When I bought my 1962 300SE it was part of an estate and had not been on
> the road for 3-4 years. In order for me to gain title to the car they
> expected me to pay all of the registration fees for the "missing" years
> before I could take title of the car.
>
> The estate attorney pretty much told me I was up a proverbial creek, as
> they weren't going to pay the fees. In fairness to him he did write a very
> legal bill of sale so I had something to show ownership.
>
> I ended up telling the CA DMV to bite me and went to one of the "lost
> title" places in Alabama, I believe. Very quick and smooth process, cost me
> under $200 at the time and was done in a day via FedEx.
>
> I wasn't keen about this approach as it broke the chain of the car's
> history, but I wasn't about to be held up by the CA DMV for close to two
> grand, either.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:
>
> > PS:  Good luck in Michigan.  They have the worst dmv I have ever dealt
> > with.  There is litterally NO way to recover lost paperwork if there is
> no
> > info in their system.
> >
> > Mike
> > On Jul 31, 2013 8:38 AM, "Michael Canfield"  wrote:
> >
> >> For older cars that have not been registered in several years many
> states
> >> purge the records after so many years.  In other words, when you go in
> and
> >> fill out the statement of ownership and a lost title form and they look
> in
> >> the records the only documentation they have is what you have provided
> them
> >> so they either ask for vin verification or simply give you the title in
> >> your name.  Here in the Vampire state anyway.
> >>
> >> Obviously won't help with this car but maybe some others.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> On Jul 30, 2013 5:03 PM, "Darren Marshall" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I certainly understand the risks of paying for a car and not receiving
> a
> >>> title, but geeking out here... in doing research it seems there are
> cases
> >>> when this can work out.
> >>>
> >>> From what I can tell, in Illinois, if a title is lost, and a duplicate
> >>> title can't be furnished (for whatever reason) it's possible to obtain
> a
> >>> title and register a vehicle... so long as
> >>>
> >>> 1.) the car does not show up hot
> >>> 2.) there are no liens
> >>> 3.) you have a bill of sale
> >>> 4.) you have a written appraisal of the wholesale value by a licensed
> >>> dealer
> >>> 5.) you obtain a surety bond for 1-1/2 times the appraised value
> >>> 6.) you have the patience to wait 6-12 weeks for the process with the
> >>> state to start and end.
> >>>
> >>> Anyone here ever go through this entirely? Seems like there are an
> absurd
> >>> number of cars floating in la la land ...
> >>>
> >>> Darren Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

[Gary Hurst]

good stuff is available in many cases but there is no profit in selling
them, so no one does.  someone can make 20% or less selling you a genuine
part but 500% selling you the cheap chinese knockoff.  furthermore, the
real part might be $100 while the chinese junk part might be $20, so it is
strongly preferred not only by the seller, but by the buyer as he is now
getting "the same part" at 80% off . .  it's a classic win-win, only
walmart style, so walmart ends up the only winner.

many, if not most, bosch products are very 3rd world.  their plug wires are
mediocre and do not represent good value, so i only will sell them to
someone who insists they MUST have them, and then only after an argument.

real parts are expensive though.  a real wire set for your S430, for
example, are over 200 bucks.  there is a lot of temptation to go with some
bosch set for like 59 bucks, even if they don't last or work right


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:25 PM, clay  wrote:

> So, last year I ordered parts for Frosch from Q.  The set of plug wires
> are garbage.  These things have been nothing but shite for the last six
> months.  Bosch wires must have been made in china.  The spark sides are not
> connected to the plugs.  The things look like pig tails all scrunched up
> and when it gets hot, they fail.  My indy cut two and fixed them last
> winter.  He just did the rest, as they were not allowing sparks to get made.
>
> All this recent outsourcing of parts has resulted in garbage getting into
> channels where we used to have quality products.  Now nothing is reliable.
>  I am not even sure the classic center is getting the same quality as
> original
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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>
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Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again

[Gary Hurst]

that was a bizarre situation that had close to zero chance of working out
from the get go.  nothing about it made sense and the results were fairly
predictable.

i was floored last week to hear from a vendor trent took for 4 figures that
he was opening new accounts at other vendors while putting the vendors he
robbed down as references.  hopefully law enforcement will intervene before
many more people are taken.  i probably should send out an email warning to
my customer list, which goes back over a decade. to inform them of the
situation.


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:46 PM, clay  wrote:

> Hey Gary, welcome back.  Screw the guy who was stealing from listers
>
> clay
>
> On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > i know a guy who sells parts who is dead reliable and still pushes the
> good
> > stuff.  ships everything too at the same time he charges it so none of
> this
> > "i charged all the cards and then mysteriously was too incapacitated to
> > ship, but will explain it all later."  just the right parts delivered
> fast!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Benz Hogs 
> wrote:
> >
> >> That's all he's done since May.  Just a handful of vague statements that
> >> say something to the effect of "you're picking on me and don't know what
> >> I'm going through. Stay tuned for an explanation."   F(@& that!  That
> >> something that a lying sack of feces says, an honest person would say,
> >> "here's my problem, can you help?"  ESPECIALLY TO A MENTOR LIKE RUSTY.
> If
> >> he's hiding things from Rusty, he's lying to us too.
> >>
> >> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> >> '98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)
> >>
> >> On 7/29/2013 5:39 PM, clay wrote:
> >>
> >>> Trent made an appearance to make a vague statement about future
> >>> clarification.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

it may be longevity and better detection methods, but it may also be
somewhat due to the food we eat, where we live and the air we breathe.


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > i think i've
> > read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
> > lifetime.
>
>
> That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
> causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered
> becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other
> factors leading to disease.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

it's like dogs.  all our dogs seem to die of cancer, so we conclude that
dogs are prone to cancer.   then we wonder why dogs in other places seem to
live longer and have less cancer but can't quite get ourselves to accept
that maybe it is that we feed the dogs more carcinogens than they do in
other places

my feeling is that most disease is diet related


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 31/07/2013 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>>
>>  i think i've
>>> read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
>>> lifetime.
>>>
>>
>> That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
>> causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered
>> becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other
>> factors leading to disease.
>>
>> Rick
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
> How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was.
> Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other
> environmental issues.
> The Lord only knows what we are eating and what it does to us.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

[Gary Hurst]

i think they were $150 for the 450SL.  beru are the way to go as far as i
can tell.  i much prefer the sets to come from beru as they are all beru
parts, unlike kingsborne or karlyn, where you may get varying degrees of
beru content instead of all beru all the time.

bremi stuff is popular with BMW guys but i can't vouch for it personally.
i have no feedback on whether the wires are as good as their other ignition
components such as dist caps and rotors


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Gary got me a set for my 74 450SL from Beru that were very much like the
> originals that came off the car.  If they are going to last another 30+
> years, it's worth it!
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, clay wrote:
>
> > The stinking wires for the SL cost about $180, instead of the $80 the
> > cheapo wires were.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >
> > > good stuff is available in many cases but there is no profit in selling
> > > them, so no one does.  someone can make 20% or less selling you a
> genuine
> > > part but 500% selling you the cheap chinese knockoff.  furthermore, the
> > > real part might be $100 while the chinese junk part might be $20, so it
> > is
> > > strongly preferred not only by the seller, but by the buyer as he is
> now
> > > getting "the same part" at 80% off . .  it's a classic win-win, only
> > > walmart style, so walmart ends up the only winner.
> > >
> > > many, if not most, bosch products are very 3rd world.  their plug wires
> > are
> > > mediocre and do not represent good value, so i only will sell them to
> > > someone who insists they MUST have them, and then only after an
> argument.
> > >
> > > real parts are expensive though.  a real wire set for your S430, for
> > > example, are over 200 bucks.  there is a lot of temptation to go with
> > some
> > > bosch set for like 59 bucks, even if they don't last or work right
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:25 PM, clay  >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> So, last year I ordered parts for Frosch from Q.  The set of plug
> wires
> > >> are garbage.  These things have been nothing but shite for the last
> six
> > >> months.  Bosch wires must have been made in china.  The spark sides
> are
> > not
> > >> connected to the plugs.  The things look like pig tails all scrunched
> up
> > >> and when it gets hot, they fail.  My indy cut two and fixed them last
> > >> winter.  He just did the rest, as they were not allowing sparks to get
> > made.
> > >>
> > >> All this recent outsourcing of parts has resulted in garbage getting
> > into
> > >> channels where we used to have quality products.  Now nothing is
> > reliable.
> > >> I am not even sure the classic center is getting the same quality as
> > >> original
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> clay
> > >>
> > >> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> > >> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > >> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again

[Gary Hurst]

you can't, as i don't like TV.  unless you me without the cape.  then it
makes sense


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Richard Hattaway
wrote:

> Now that there is just scary.  Excuse me, but I am going to slip out of my
> cape and go watch TV
>
>
> Bwahahahahahah
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again
>
>
> hattaway and i tend to show up together, like batman and bruce wayne.
> hm, makes ya think, huh?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > Another blast from the past. First Hattaway then Hursty.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again

[Gary Hurst]

hattaway might suffer such delusions, but i keep him grounded to reality.
but which of us is wayne and which batman?


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:52 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Or delusions of grandeur . . .
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
>
> > drfatty wrote:
> > > hattaway and i tend to show up together, like batman and bruce wayne.
> > > hm, makes ya think, huh?
> >
> > very good company.
> > mao
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Been Asleep for a while...

[Gary Hurst]

i needed something that could compete with wayne manor


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Richard Hattaway  wrote:

> Hi Jaime,
>
> Hursty gave me so much crap for living there I finally had to let it go.
> So now am still on the lake, but one row back, in beach terms.  Very
> desolate place in the middle of a nature preserve, I can launch a boat by
> going one block to the ramp, there are a total of 25 houses, and i have now
> five garage spaces and two cars.  Can you picture 'looking for a 240D' (c:
>
> Glad to see y'all still here.  Been a long time...
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Jaime Kopchinski 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Been Asleep for a while...
>
>
> HI Richard,
> Good to see you here!  Are you still living in that wonderful house?
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Richard Hattaway <
> rhatta...@rocketmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: Craig 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Been Asleep for a while...
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:51:49 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Wow there is a blast from the past
> >
> > Indeed. Welcome back. Any chance of twisting Jaime's arm?
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > I don't think so.  The one I lust after was sold many years ago.  It did
> > prove to me that a manual tranny 240D was what I wanted in a 123 chassis.
> > That was a sweet car.
> >
> > I sold my last 'beater' yesterday, it was my wife's van she gave up on in
> > 05.  I ran it to 315 K and decided I wanted something simpler to work on,
> > so it's gone, and I'm going to look for a pristene Mercedes diesel or a
> > real Veteran, one of the two.  Not going to settle for much else I don't
> > think.
> >
> > Good to hear some familiar names, and in general it looks like this may
> be
> > the only list still running?? IE I think the ritter list is dead??
> >
> > I thought I saw Rusty's adr in here when i was lurking.  Saw Roger's
> > situation.
> >
> > Safe driving to all (c:
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

the exploitation of medicare is monumental down here.  anytime an old
person has a headache or stomach ache, $200k plus is spent on "medical
care."  many of the elderly enjoy the attention and feel participation is
worthwhile, but spending 7 figures a year on someone who is not even
actually in need of medical attention is entirely unsustainable.

doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how" don't
disturb them.  it's a completely broken country.  every system is broken
and there is no plan to fix anything


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older
> ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more
> weeks or months.  They push the docs and they system to do more more more
> when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the
> desires of the family or there will be hell to pay.  And then there is the
> part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well
>
> I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out in
> the woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote:
>
>> I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the
>> person to make their peace.  The chemicals and radiation kill the patient
>> unless it is stage one.  All the treatment seems to do is to keep the
>> victim on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily
>> overpriced procedures.  The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead
>> of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers.
>>
>> If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of
>> drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs.  Much like the
>> snit the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining
>> their profits because there is not cash flowing in for them.  Or the idiocy
>> of the Republicans shooting down astroid capture.  Do they not have any
>> idea the profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it?
>>  Kill the golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections.
>>  Those astroid miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff.
>>
>> rant over
>>
>> clay
>>
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>>
>>  Mike wrote:
>>>
 Many folks
 may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
 than being subjected to chemo and radiation.
 Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
 cure over tax money suck worse.

>>> My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated.  6-months later he was
>>> dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch...
>>> 30-years ago.
>>> Cure is heinous hope.  Death is the cure, and there is no hope against
>>> death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at
>>> okiebenz...
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Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

[Gary Hurst]

yes, i am back.  penoff, kleb and i met in *Reykjavík and came to an
understanding, ushering in an* age of peace and love.  it's a great day!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 AM,  wrote:

> Whoa, you're back!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i think they were $150 for the 450SL.  beru are the way to go as far as i
> > can tell.  i much prefer the sets to come from beru as they are all beru
> > parts, unlike kingsborne or karlyn, where you may get varying degrees of
> > beru content instead of all beru all the time.
> >
> > bremi stuff is popular with BMW guys but i can't vouch for it personally.
> > i have no feedback on whether the wires are as good as their other
> ignition
> > components such as dist caps and rotors
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  >wrote:
> >
> >> Gary got me a set for my 74 450SL from Beru that were very much like the
> >> originals that came off the car.  If they are going to last another 30+
> >> years, it's worth it!
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, clay wrote:
> >>
> >>> The stinking wires for the SL cost about $180, instead of the $80 the
> >>> cheapo wires were.
> >>>
> >>> clay
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> good stuff is available in many cases but there is no profit in
> selling
> >>>> them, so no one does.  someone can make 20% or less selling you a
> >> genuine
> >>>> part but 500% selling you the cheap chinese knockoff.  furthermore,
> the
> >>>> real part might be $100 while the chinese junk part might be $20, so
> it
> >>> is
> >>>> strongly preferred not only by the seller, but by the buyer as he is
> >> now
> >>>> getting "the same part" at 80% off . .  it's a classic win-win, only
> >>>> walmart style, so walmart ends up the only winner.
> >>>>
> >>>> many, if not most, bosch products are very 3rd world.  their plug
> wires
> >>> are
> >>>> mediocre and do not represent good value, so i only will sell them to
> >>>> someone who insists they MUST have them, and then only after an
> >> argument.
> >>>>
> >>>> real parts are expensive though.  a real wire set for your S430, for
> >>>> example, are over 200 bucks.  there is a lot of temptation to go with
> >>> some
> >>>> bosch set for like 59 bucks, even if they don't last or work right
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:25 PM, clay  >> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> So, last year I ordered parts for Frosch from Q.  The set of plug
> >> wires
> >>>>> are garbage.  These things have been nothing but shite for the last
> >> six
> >>>>> months.  Bosch wires must have been made in china.  The spark sides
> >> are
> >>> not
> >>>>> connected to the plugs.  The things look like pig tails all scrunched
> >> up
> >>>>> and when it gets hot, they fail.  My indy cut two and fixed them last
> >>>>> winter.  He just did the rest, as they were not allowing sparks to
> get
> >>> made.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All this recent outsourcing of parts has resulted in garbage getting
> >>> into
> >>>>> channels where we used to have quality products.  Now nothing is
> >>> reliable.
> >>>>> I am not even sure the classic center is getting the same quality as
> >>>>> original
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> clay
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> >>>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> >>>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> >>>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> >>>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

[Gary Hurst]

no, we didn't meet in iceland  :)  although i did consider stopping over to
see penoff in tampa, but hector wasn't around, so i sat on the bay in st
petersburg instead


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:06 AM,  wrote:

> You literally met in Iceland?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:56 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > yes, i am back.  penoff, kleb and i met in *Reykjavík and came to an
> > understanding, ushering in an* age of peace and love.  it's a great day!
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 AM,  wrote:
> >
> >> Whoa, you're back!
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>
> >>> i think they were $150 for the 450SL.  beru are the way to go as far
> as i
> >>> can tell.  i much prefer the sets to come from beru as they are all
> beru
> >>> parts, unlike kingsborne or karlyn, where you may get varying degrees
> of
> >>> beru content instead of all beru all the time.
> >>>
> >>> bremi stuff is popular with BMW guys but i can't vouch for it
> personally.
> >>> i have no feedback on whether the wires are as good as their other
> >> ignition
> >>> components such as dist caps and rotors
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Gary got me a set for my 74 450SL from Beru that were very much like
> the
> >>>> originals that came off the car.  If they are going to last another
> 30+
> >>>> years, it's worth it!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, clay wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The stinking wires for the SL cost about $180, instead of the $80 the
> >>>>> cheapo wires were.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> clay
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> good stuff is available in many cases but there is no profit in
> >> selling
> >>>>>> them, so no one does.  someone can make 20% or less selling you a
> >>>> genuine
> >>>>>> part but 500% selling you the cheap chinese knockoff.  furthermore,
> >> the
> >>>>>> real part might be $100 while the chinese junk part might be $20, so
> >> it
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>> strongly preferred not only by the seller, but by the buyer as he is
> >>>> now
> >>>>>> getting "the same part" at 80% off . .  it's a classic win-win, only
> >>>>>> walmart style, so walmart ends up the only winner.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> many, if not most, bosch products are very 3rd world.  their plug
> >> wires
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>> mediocre and do not represent good value, so i only will sell them
> to
> >>>>>> someone who insists they MUST have them, and then only after an
> >>>> argument.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> real parts are expensive though.  a real wire set for your S430, for
> >>>>>> example, are over 200 bucks.  there is a lot of temptation to go
> with
> >>>>> some
> >>>>>> bosch set for like 59 bucks, even if they don't last or work right
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:25 PM, clay  >>>> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, last year I ordered parts for Frosch from Q.  The set of plug
> >>>> wires
> >>>>>>> are garbage.  These things have been nothing but shite for the last
> >>>> six
> >>>>>>> months.  Bosch wires must have been made in china.  The spark sides
> >>>> are
> >>>>> not
> >>>>>>> connected to the plugs.  The things look like pig tails all
> scrunched
> >>>> up
> >>>>>>> and when it gets hot, they fail.  My indy cut two and fixed them
> last
> >>>>>>> winter.  He just did the rest, as they were not allowing sparks to
> >> get
> >>>>> made.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All this recent outsourcing of parts ha

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

you need to come to south florida and start running scams.  lots of yachts
in this neighborhood!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Please explain.  I only have a kayak.  I need to get this going as a yacht
> would be nice.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how" don't
>> disturb them.  i
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have
it today.  what is the point of any kind of insurance?  to protect you from
financial ruin in case something goes south on you.  so say all your crap
is worth $50k, you you might buy some kind of fire/theft type insurance for
$500 for the year as you can pay $500 but you couldn't afford to cover
$50k.  etc

for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older
>> ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more
>> weeks or months.  They push the docs and they system to do more more more
>> when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the
>> desires of the family or there will be hell to pay.  And then there is the
>> part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well
>>
>
> There's a blogger who recently found out that Blue Cross was raising the
> copay on his $7k a month drug from $40 a month to $3500.
> Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can
> do that to you?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

that "canadian pharmacy" talk is largely fraud, btw.  it certainly is not
from a licensed pharmacy in canada but pure 3rd world black market, mostly
out of india.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>  for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
>> insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare
>>
>
>
> A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a
> family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some
> fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc
> was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household
> budget for the next few years.
>
> That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him?
> A comment on his original blog post on the subject said:
> "Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence
> before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available
> here when it does."
>
> If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they
> willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230
> each when they sell it in USA?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

i'm gonna guess most of this shit is bank owned.  they aren't even real sea
voyaging people, as far as i can tell.  they just go out on a weekend day
and get drunk with their friends, screaming and blaring music while
basically floating along in the intercoastal.  the also each have an amg
mercedes and some italian exotic in each driveway, but neither ever more as
they just get around in the big SUV.  i live in tourist housing, but these
people think i am one of them, just an eccentric old white guy from the
neighborhood who happens to just get around by bicycle.  they are nice
enough to me, but i am pretty horrified by their lifestyle.  it is
"unamerican" from the perspective of my working class upbringing


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:01:09 -0400 Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
>
> > you need to come to south florida and start running scams.  lots of
> > yachts in this neighborhood!
>
> Yes, but are the user-owned or bank-owned? Do we have a yacht bubble?
>
>
> Craig
>
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas <
> > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Please explain.  I only have a kayak.  I need to get this going as a
> > > yacht would be nice.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> > >
> > >> doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how"
> > >> don't disturb them.  i
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

[Gary Hurst]

it's where the sketchy all end up, so you might as well join us


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> So poos is in Florida, Jabba the fatty is in Florida, I guess I need to
> come to Florida.
>
>
> On 8/1/2013 5:01 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>> Yup.
>>
>> We refer to the meeting as "WikiBanned".
>>
>> Dan thawing out in the Florida sunshine
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2013, at 1:06 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>  You literally met in Iceland?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:56 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>>>
>>>  yes, i am back.  penoff, kleb and i met in *Reykjavík and came to an
>>>> understanding, ushering in an* age of peace and love.  it's a great day!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 AM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Whoa, you're back!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  i think they were $150 for the 450SL.  beru are the way to go as far
>>>>>> as i
>>>>>> can tell.  i much prefer the sets to come from beru as they are all
>>>>>> beru
>>>>>> parts, unlike kingsborne or karlyn, where you may get varying degrees
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> beru content instead of all beru all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bremi stuff is popular with BMW guys but i can't vouch for it
>>>>>> personally.
>>>>>> i have no feedback on whether the wires are as good as their other
>>>>>>
>>>>> ignition
>>>>>
>>>>>> components such as dist caps and rotors
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Kopchinski >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Gary got me a set for my 74 450SL from Beru that were very much like
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> originals that came off the car.  If they are going to last another
>>>>>>> 30+
>>>>>>> years, it's worth it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, clay wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The stinking wires for the SL cost about $180, instead of the $80
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> cheapo wires were.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> clay
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  good stuff is available in many cases but there is no profit in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> selling
>>>>>
>>>>>> them, so no one does.  someone can make 20% or less selling you a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> genuine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> part but 500% selling you the cheap chinese knockoff.  furthermore,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> real part might be $100 while the chinese junk part might be $20, so
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> strongly preferred not only by the seller, but by the buyer as he
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> getting "the same part" at 80% off . .  it's a classic win-win, only
>>>>>>>>> walmart style, so walmart ends up the only winner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> many, if not most, bosch products are very 3rd world.  their plug
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wires
>>>>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mediocre and do not represent good value, so i only will sell them
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> someone who insists they MUST have th

Re: [MBZ] Finally, a photo of my 240D

[Gary Hurst]

my favorite car of all time was probably my 72 220D


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Sure reminds me how much I liked my '80 240D.
>
> Wilton
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> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:43 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Finally, a photo of my 240D
>
>
>
>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

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no keys.  keys are mad


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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

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yes, this is true.  keys are a disaster.


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richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

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>
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>
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> no keys.  keys are mad
>
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

[Gary Hurst]

yes, to cheap ass plastic key heads.  haven't seen sweet leather goddamits
in a while.

no keys though.  i don't know of anyone still selling keys over the phone.
go to your dealer


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> What about the cheap-ass plastic key heads? Can you get those? What about
> the sweet leather key pouch god-dammits?
>
> Bob R
> On Aug 1, 2013 7:26 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > yes, this is true.  keys are a disaster.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Rich Thomas <
> > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I wanted a key jabba said to go to the dealer.  Yow.
> > >
> > > --R (sent from my miniPad)
> > >
> > > On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> > >
> > > no keys.  keys are mad
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer

[Gary Hurst]

well, yeah, we desperately need death panels.  the reality is that spending
millions to keep a 90 year old person alive for a few months more is a
disgrace and a pure scam masquerading behind some sort of humanitarian
idea.  why not use that money to provide some healthcare for all of those
who are in need of healthcare but can't afford it instead of waiting for
them to be so far gone we spend millions on them to keep them alive with
zero hope and quality of life when spending thousands or even hundreds on
them when it mattered would have saved the whole ordeal.

no?


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> In an emergency situation where you have limited resources its called
> triage, you save the people you can and comfort those who are traveling to
> whatever is next.
>
> Strangely in general medicine we've somehow decided that everybody needs
> to live forever and 90 year old patients should be kept alive through
> extraordinary measures but with zero quality of life...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:08:22 -0500
> From: Mountain Man 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Mitch wrote:
> > Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they
> can do
> > that to you?
>
> It is called Death Panel.
> Doctors do this all the time when they participate in emergency
> recovery drill such as airplane crash.  Individuals are graded as to
> survivor or not and that is the practice.  Death Panel is not new, but
> when family comes to forefront, cost be damned.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer

[Gary Hurst]

i tend to make a lot of sense in general.  many stories of my madness are
greatly exaggerated.  for the most part, i'm just a fantastically boring
introvert who spends too much time trying to make sense out of stuff  :(

my alter ego, hattaway, makes up for it though!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Damn Gary, It disturbs me a little that I tend to agree with most of what
> you say lately..hahha.  Just ribbin..
>
> Mike
> On Aug 1, 2013 11:22 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > well, yeah, we desperately need death panels.  the reality is that
> spending
> > millions to keep a 90 year old person alive for a few months more is a
> > disgrace and a pure scam masquerading behind some sort of humanitarian
> > idea.  why not use that money to provide some healthcare for all of those
> > who are in need of healthcare but can't afford it instead of waiting for
> > them to be so far gone we spend millions on them to keep them alive with
> > zero hope and quality of life when spending thousands or even hundreds on
> > them when it mattered would have saved the whole ordeal.
> >
> > no?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In an emergency situation where you have limited resources its called
> > > triage, you save the people you can and comfort those who are traveling
> > to
> > > whatever is next.
> > >
> > > Strangely in general medicine we've somehow decided that everybody
> needs
> > > to live forever and 90 year old patients should be kept alive through
> > > extraordinary measures but with zero quality of life...
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:08:22 -0500
> > > From: Mountain Man 
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
> > > Message-ID:
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> > > Mitch wrote:
> > > > Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they
> > > can do
> > > > that to you?
> > >
> > > It is called Death Panel.
> > > Doctors do this all the time when they participate in emergency
> > > recovery drill such as airplane crash.  Individuals are graded as to
> > > survivor or not and that is the practice.  Death Panel is not new, but
> > > when family comes to forefront, cost be damned.
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Re: [MBZ] ACA

[Gary Hurst]

i'm more thinking to wait and see on obamacare.  lots of propaganda now but
reality will be someone different.  maybe good.  maybe bad.  i will reserve
judgment until i see it in action

it's like that new google nexus 7.  looks GREAT on paper, but i won't
consider buying it until it's been out for a few months and has some kind
of track record in actual performance.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> >  If people refuse to enroll in Obamaʼs Exchanges, Obamacare can be
> >  stopped until it is repealed.
>
> I like this information, but...
> Somehow... I doubt much will happen.  People love to have health care
> and want it at prices reflecting Wall Mart sourcing and demanded by
> the gov't proves best price and care.  Sheeple, in otherwords.  Too
> many other fundamental problems will preclude this happening.  Debt,
> education, banking, military, transportation, etc.
>
> Not me?  I don't visit people.  I guess I could try to alienate myself
> from the checkout counter person at the grocery store.  I bet they get
> all sorts of people doing that.  Then too, I don't have $$ to do any
> health stuff at all, yet I need meds to function, so I live in my kids
> basement - yes, really.
>
> In essence, I refuse2enroll.
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Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

[Gary Hurst]

substance abusers too.  everywhere.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So poos is in Florida, Jabba the fatty is in Florida, I guess I need to
>> come to Florida.
>>
>
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> known for car scammers.
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Re: [MBZ] parts sources

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nobody can get you a key over the phone now for years.  that is simply a
fact.  they aren't giving keys over the phone to third parties anymore and
haven't in a while.  when was the last time anyone got a key from rusty
that was keyed to their car and not a shop tumbler?  i'd bet it's been years


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>>
>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>>
>
> Ain't no  Rusty any more.  We are on  our own.  GO to the stealer for a
> key if you can hold your nose, or call the classic center.  For a Key, I'd
> opt for a stealer who advertises in the Star and gives a MBCA discount at
> least.
>
> Oreally, carquest, and many other flaps can get some parts.  We can order
> OE stuff from the above mentioned stealerships, or the classic center.
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Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

[Gary Hurst]

i've never seen it like this anywhere else.


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> substance abusers too.  everywhere.
>>
>
> That is everywhere in the usah region
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Re: [MBZ] parts sources

[Gary Hurst]

a cylinder and key that also worked in your doors?  or just a tumbler and
key where your ignition key didn't work in the door lock?


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> nobody can get you a key over the phone now for years.  that is simply a
>> fact.  they aren't giving keys over the phone to third parties anymore and
>> haven't in a while.  when was the last time anyone got a key from rusty
>> that was keyed to their car and not a shop tumbler?  i'd bet it's been
>> years
>>
>
> Bull!  last year to answer your question.  Got a 124 cyl and key from the
> Q man.  He had sources.  I ordered it over the phone too. Jenyouwine MB.
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

[Gary Hurst]

the funny thing is that i will now go and find a dealer who will get me
keys against mercedes policy and none of you will buy any  :(


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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

[Gary Hurst]

if i can find a dealer who will get you keys, i will get you keys.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I will. I need some keys and hate messing with the dealer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > the funny thing is that i will now go and find a dealer who will get me
> > keys against mercedes policy and none of you will buy any  :(
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

[Gary Hurst]

i need to find someone . right now the best i am getting is your is needing
extensive notarized paperwork


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas <
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> I need a couple
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/2/13 2:27 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> the funny thing is that i will now go and find a dealer who will get me
>> keys against mercedes policy and none of you will buy any  :(
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >wrote:
>>
>>  So can you get dealer only items like Rusty used to? What about keys?
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

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it may not work today but i'd be happy to learn who was willing to make
these keys.  what i'm being told today is that it has been mercedes policy
for a couple of years not to sell keys in this manner but that some dealers
did and that about six weeks ago mercedes went a little crazy on them so it
will be unlikely anyone will just sell you keys outside of policy.
however, if there is still someone willing to go rogue to sell keys, i'd be
very happy to act as an intermediary for list members and provide keys at
my cost for listers as a service.

if it's still possible to do this, let's do this.  if anyone can get the
name of the person who is still willing to this today, i will gladly set up
with them and still will continue to look on my own


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> I purchased a tumbler with key via Rusty for each of my cars ('91 126, '87
>> 300D) from MERCEDES-BENZ OF TAMPA, 4836 N. Dale Mabry Hwy., Tampa, FL
>> 33614. I Faxed copy of appropriate documents (registration and can't
>> remember for sure what the other was - driver license, maybe?) to Rusty, he
>> Faxed 'em as necessary to Tampa, dealer sent me the tumblers and keys.
>>  'Didn't have anything notarized - just laid the appropriate docs on my FAX
>> machine, punched in Rusty's # and let 'em go.  Tumblers with keys arrived
>> few days later.  Tumbler with key $80 + $10 shipping.  Would it help a
>> little, even greatly, if Rusty were so kind as to let us (the critical guy,
>> anyway) know the name of his contact?
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>
> Yes, I ordered new tumblers for 124 and second generation 126 from Q.
> Nothing notarized.  These are MB only keys.  I have ordered keys for 124
> and second Gen 126 from Q and from Stealerships.   These are the ones Herr
> Doktor said to only buy from MB (as are the later stupid keys with the
> chips)
>
> For 123 and earlier, I've had keys cut locally if the blank is available,
> or I ordered keys only for the 123 240D by VIN from Q.  In 1972 or so I had
> the stealership cut a key by VIN for my 190Dc.  I may have done the same
> for the 200D.
>
> The Mid 80s odd key for the 107 is probably a MB only key also.
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Re: [MBZ] Advance Auto Promo Code

[Gary Hurst]

was that a denso?


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Just had to buy a COP (coil on plug) for the youngest's 2004 Focus.
>  Ouch!!  $150 from the stealer or $102 from FLAPS.
>
> Found a 40% off code for $100 or more at Advance Auto - TRT41
>
> So the COP cost me about $67 after the governor got his take.
>
> My $20 code reader just paid for itself.
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Owner on Crack?

[Gary Hurst]

kleb and penoff are right here for sure.  there is no such thing as an $11k
car that is being sold with "ac just needs a charge"  this falls into a
"needs a tuneup" category.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> When the AC just needs a charge, there is a reason for it.  If that were
> the case, just fix it.  Hell, if you are trying to sell a car such as that
> even if it has a leak, charge it anyway.
>
>
>
> On 8/2/2013 11:43 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>> Dan Penoff wrote:
>>
>>> Nice, but stupid price.
>>>
>>> http://www.benzworld.org/**forums/sale-wanted-trade-**
>>> giveaway/1724167-1985-**mercedes-280te-sale.html#**post5887298
>>>
>>
>> One of the biggest lies in used car sales is "AC will need a charge".
>>
>> Maybe, just maybe, the seller actually believes a R12 system (like this
>> S123) is OK but doesn't want to or can't find somebody to charge it, but on
>> 1995 or newer cars it's a total falsehood.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D crackhead

[Gary Hurst]

calling it a "240td" and advertising it as having 5 cylinders turns me off
almost as much as the price.


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> A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment.  The car
> looks pretty clean, no rust etc.  Has actual leather which I have not seen
> on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc.  He wants $4k for it.
>  Dealer knows the guy is on crack.  I told him to tell his seller I might
> be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Advance Auto Promo Code

[Gary Hurst]

i've been fairly pleased with denso stuff.  for a guy who has never owned a
japanese car, i'm quite a japanophile when it comes to parts


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> No, it was a BWM or something like that.  I can look at the box and tell
> you.  They had a Denso that was about $20 cheaper, but it wasn't in stock
> at the store and I needed to get the car going in short order.
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > was that a denso?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Advance Auto Promo Code

[Gary Hurst]

could be good stuff.  if it doesn't work out, not any labor to put a real
one on


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Just looked at the invoice.  It was a "BWD" brand, whatever that is.
>
> Dan
>
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
> > Since the Focus was another joint Mazda/Ford design, I prefer to use OEM
> parts when I can get them, hence my choice of Denso if I could have gotten
> it this time. Advance Auto has a warehouse in Lakeland, so I could have had
> the part mid-day tomorrow, but it's my youngest's car and he's in a pinch
> if he doesn't have wheels.  Not to mention with the 40% off $100 or more
> the BWM part was cheaper than the Denso with a 20% promo code I had.
> >
> > I did call my local Ford dealer and even with my discount off the $150
> list for the OE part it would have been well over $100.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >
> >> i've been fairly pleased with denso stuff.  for a guy who has never
> owned a
> >> japanese car, i'm quite a japanophile when it comes to parts
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>
> >>> No, it was a BWM or something like that.  I can look at the box and
> tell
> >>> you.  They had a Denso that was about $20 cheaper, but it wasn't in
> stock
> >>> at the store and I needed to get the car going in short order.
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Re: [MBZ] Advance Auto Promo Code

[Gary Hurst]

if they really will replace it forever and the labor is a minute, you can't
go wrong

this is one of the many things that people don't get about the cheap
chinese parts.  they can give you a 1 year or 10 year or 1000 year warranty
even though they they know the part will only last 3 to 6 weeks because you
won't take that warranty if labor is 4 hours


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Yup.  Took me all of about a minute to swap it out.  It's got a "limited
> lifetime warranty" anyway.  Not like the ones on the wife's Mazda6 that are
> under the intake manifold and require its removal to get at them.
>
> Dan
>
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > could be good stuff.  if it doesn't work out, not any labor to put a real
> > one on
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a nice wagon...

[Gary Hurst]

i love BMW.  i tend to like straight six engines as a rule


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> Check it out:
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a nice wagon...

[Gary Hurst]

he's only bought 4 radiators from me, so it hasn't been so bad


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> A buddy of mine has one of those (a 540 wagon, minus all the Alpina stuff)
> and its constantly blowing up radiators and hoses.  He just got AAA because
> it lets him down so often.
>
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>
>
>
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> > Check it out:
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

[Gary Hurst]

bosch wires have always been really crappy and cheap.  probably the worst
value out there.  i will only sell them to those who insist on buying them
against my recommendation.

as for making wires, you can normally buy a quality set a lot cheaper than
you can make them


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:26 PM, clay  wrote:

> I am thinking Bosch has become junk.  If this problem continues, I will
> have my indy just craft a good set of  wires
>
> clay
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
> > clay  writes:
> >
> >> So, last year I ordered parts for Frosch from Q.  The set of plug
> >> wires are garbage.  These things have been nothing but shite for the
> >> last six months.  Bosch wires must have been made in china.  The spark
> >> sides are not connected to the plugs.  The things look like pig tails
> >> all scrunched up and when it gets hot, they fail.  My indy cut two and
> >> fixed them last winter.  He just did the rest, as they were not
> >> allowing sparks to get made.
> >
> > Bosch ignition products are not what they used to be by a long shot.
> >
> > I'd go with Beru if you can find them.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a nice wagon...

[Gary Hurst]

he's really only bought one radiator from me and never expressed any
problems afterwards  :)




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> On Aug 2, 2013 5:35 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> >
> > he's only bought 4 radiators from me,
> > so it hasn't been so bad
>
> BMWs have been notorious for cooling system problems since at least the
> days of the 3.0 coupe and the Bavaria sedan.  That's nearly 40 years!  Why
> can't they get it right?
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst fruit i
know of, at least


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:

>
>
>  I don't touch the stuff but use it to grease the machines.
>> I have heard this is revenge because you bombed the great barrier reef.
>> Hendrik
>> who will immediately go to the factory and do some bottom kicking
>>
>>  I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old
>>> jar.  The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words in
>>> it.  At least someone recognizes the significance of the dastardly
>>> deed 'cause no longer does the label proclaim "Proudly made in
>>> Australia since 1923".  Instead, it just states "Product of
>>> Australia".
>>>
>>> Since you are practically the only person I know in Australia, I
>>> hold you _personally_ responsible for this atrocity.  You must have
>>> been out digging ditches or waxing your Mercedes when they slipped
>>> this one through.
>>>
>>> --Philip, who is still eating Vegemite, just not enjoying it
>>>quite as much.
>>>
>>>  There is probably a conspiracy to keep Aussie vegemite out of the US.
> While one of my grandsons was doing a college semester in Australia, he
> sent me a packet of vegemite.
> While enroute, someone obviously stomped on it since all the vegemite was
> squished out of the packet.  I did get a taste of it, and it tasted pretty
> good, but the vegemite in the US supermarkets is not the same as Phillip
> declared.
>
> On a similar subject, I wish the U.S. gov't would hurry up and make peace
> with Iran so we can once again buy the best pistachios in the world.
> Pistachios grown in California simply have no taste.
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Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels

[Gary Hurst]

i'd just a reel mower if i were you . moves well and changes direction
easily!



On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> Funny you should mention Snapper... I got a older rear engined model for
> free.  It had been sitting outside and I had little hope for it based on
> cosmetic condition.  I went over the basics and rebuild the pull starter.
>  The damn thing started on the second pull and ran great.  Unfortunately,
> its just not maneuverable enough for my yard.  Everything is irregularly
> shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily.
>  Mowing with the snapper is a real chore, especially changing directions.
>  Not to mention the deck alignment is messed up and it really chewed up my
> grass, but I could fix that.
>
> It has a nice 10hp commercial Tecumseh engine.  Someone on CL will be happy
> with it.
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > For such a small property the good in a small diesel will never outweigh
> > the premium you need to pay for it.
> > That one you linked to is probably going to be a disaster. The neglect
> > evident on the outside will be reflected everywhere...
> >
> > The real W123 of the garden tractor world is a small frame Cub Cadet
> > models 70, 100, 71, 72, 102 etc. I have a model 70 at the house which is
> a
> > 7hp from 1964. I've mowed our 1/4 acre with it although its overkill for
> > that and used it to plow our little driveway which its a little
> underweight
> > for although thats fixable. With a snowblower it'd be all set for any
> size
> > driveway. At camp I've got a 72 which is a 7hp model from 1967. I've got
> > that equipped with crossbar tires like a big tractor has. It hauls wood
> and
> > plows (ploughs for those on the other side of the pond) up a little patch
> > of land we plant for the wildlife. Again its a little underweight but
> I've
> > got a kit to fluid fill the tires. Something like a 100 with its 10hp
> would
> > do a little better.
> > The one at the house is pretty tired, the engine really needs rebuilding.
> > My current plan is to repower with a 10hp diesel. I've found Chinese
> copies
> > of Yanmar singles for around $600. The torque curve on the 10hp is more
> > like a 14hp gasser.
> >
> > Anyway for what you suggest you need I'd say go to Lowes, Home Depot,
> > Sears or wherever and buy the $999 lawn tractor, then lay down whatever
> > they want for the snowblower attachment, chains and weight box. 95% of
> all
> > lawn tractors sold today are made by MTD and pretty much every place that
> > carries lawn tractors carries the same one for $999. At camp we've got
> one
> > badged "Craftsman". My grandmother's is "Bolens" and my dad just bought a
> > "TroyBuilt" but they all exactly the same machine. The 17hp engine is
> > powerful and the rest of the tractor is good enough. They've made a
> > bazillion of them so parts access is easy and its got a 42" deck and
> wants
> > to mow in a pretty high gear so it'll eat right through your 1/2 acre
> > plenty quick.
> >
> > If you want something more rugged look into a Snapper rear engine rider.
> > Those are the modern equivalent of a w123. I use one to mow our lawn now.
> > Its a 1964, 8hp, I pulled it out from under a spruce tree on our farm
> about
> > 4 years ago and repowered it with an engine from a 1988. They make a ton
> of
> > attachments including a snowblower. AFAIK Snapper is one of the last
> brands
> > that actually makes their own stuff. Even the low end JD and Cub Cadet
> > stuff is all MTD.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:24:46 -0400
> > From: Jaime Kopchinski 
> > To: mercedes Mailing List ,Banned List
> > 
> > Subject: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor?
> >
> > We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore.  When
> we
> > had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more
> > aggressive.
> >
> > John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar
> > diesel really interest me.  Anyone have one or any experience?  From what
> > I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors.
> >
> > I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially
> > 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a
> > powerful compact tractor.  And if I run out of justifications:  they're
> > really cool and I want one.
> >
> > This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough:
> > http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html
> >
> > NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from.
> >
> > Anyone have any experience with these?
> >
> > Jaime
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer

[Gary Hurst]

money is an issue.  the idea of unlimited healthcare for anyone once they
enter the system in any way (which is most people) is insane and
unsustainable.  we need death panels and a sensible rationing of
healthcare.  we need similar measures throughout society unless you think
the unlimited printing of money to pay for it all is going to work out in
the end


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> clay wrote:
> > Butt here is a panel.  We are not allowed to pull aside the curtain and
> see them at work.
> >
> > They are the insurance miscreants
> >
> > The medical staff who slacks off on providing decent care
> >
> > The boys from Big Pharma, who price the medication out of reach, so as
> to make obscene profit
> >
> > The welfare and medicare schlubs who suck the economy dry and give
> nothing in return
> >
> > The hospital corporations who see no profit in filling a bed over paying
> executives like kings
> >
>
> All of whom see the large cache of $$ ready to be absorbed, so... they
> submit their hyped billings for payment.  Again, read The Law by
> Frederic Bastiat available free for download at fee.org or mises.org
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

i consider that a possible explanation.  i know that eastern peaches i can
buy here are magnificent but california peaches are literally inedible.
but it is entirely possible that a california peach picked in season in
california is really quite good.

you cannot get good produce from the supermarket, even if it is
local/regional.  the answer is to go buy from privateers who drive their
trucks out to the wholesale houses in immokalee or homestead and then go
sell it in some parking lot.

i wish i'd have the opportunity to buy peaches from the grove in california
to see if it is just california fruit that is bad or it is the process of
bringing it to me that is bad.  but i don't.  so i avoid all california
produce.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> You can't judge California by the produce you get at your local market.
> That stuff has been picked before its ripe and force ripened later.
> California oranges for instance are WAY WAY more flavorful than the balls
> of water you get from Florida. They don't get the water the Florida
> varieties get so they are much more intense.
>
> There is nothing quite as good as a fresh squeezed glass of California
> orange juice when the oranges were picked yesterday...
>
> Florida oranges are okay if they're tree ripened, to get that you have to
> be in Florida though.
>
>
> -Curt
>
>
> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:48:58 -0400
> From: Gary Hurst 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
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> nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst fruit i
> know of, at least
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

the best oranges i've ever eaten were blood oranges bought at a grove in
central florida

i at a diner in bradenton last year at a diner and the bus boy was carrying
a glass of orange juice.  i told him that i bet that orange juice came from
a can, probabl purchased at walmart, and the juice came from brasil, even
though there are nothing but orange groves for miles around him.  he just
laughed and told me that this was true but the irony of it never struck him
till that moment

i once went to see the mixon groves in bradenton.  had a cup of fresh
squeezed.  commented that it tasted like tropicana.  young richard mixon (i
told him that he was not a crook.  somehow it's funny to me but i imagine
it's less funny when you've heard it from 10,000 other tourist)( just
laughed and asked me what i expected it to taste like given that tropicana
orange juice is bradenton oranges

of course, today your tropicana orange juice is no longer all bradenton
oranges as housing is worth more than groves, so they just buy their
oranges from brasil like everybody else.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> By law Florida citrus must be picked green, passed in the early 1900's
> when it took a week to get to New York.
>
> Stupid law, there is nothing as good as properly ripened Florida oranges.
>  Almost impossible to find now, though, as the best growing area is now
> houses.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Yelp is evil.

[Gary Hurst]

my experience is that when someone is super pleased, they tell me about it,
but when someone is the slightest bit upset, they go tell the world about
it.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Mountain Man  writes:
>
> > It might be that competitors have purchased good ratings? meaning that
> > only good ratings come to them.  Always, follow the money.
>
> Another thing is that when people are satisfied they usually don't
> bother to comment or go out of their way to leave ratings.  When people
> are pissed off they do.  So online ratings will always be biased towards
> the negative when compared to reality.
>
> I personally don't ever look online for a rating of anything, as I don't
> ever know what to believe.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Most favorite cars

[Gary Hurst]

suzuki tends to make nice cars, but i wouldn't recommend one as suzuki has
left the USA and parts will become an issue.  they are the #4 japanese
maker and strong in many markets worldwide.  they sell about 2 million cars
a year in india, for example.  they are (or, at least, were) about 1/3
owned by GM, although i don't think they've supplied any cars for the
general to the USA market since the geo metro as GM now seems to like to
source from wholly owned korean subsidiary daewoo


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Larry T  wrote:

> I don't think a large segment of the population even know Suzuki makes
> cars!
>
> Larryt
> 91 300D
>
> On 5/19/2013 7:43 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>
>> "lesbian cars"? no comment,... other than the fact that a lot of people
>> in New Hampshire might be surprised to learn about their cars sexuality,...
>>
>> but you read a couple of things about the report wrong; this isn't a
>> list of what's the most or least likely, but " The 10 brands most favored
>> by Seattle-area residents in comparision [sic] with the rest of the U.S.,
>> with the percent more likely to buy:"
>> additionally, Mercedes isn't the bottom of the list, Infiniti is (by
>> a long shot).
>>
>>
>> # The 10 brands most favored by Seattle-area residents in comparison with
>> the rest of the U.S., with the percent more likely to buy:
>> # 1. Subaru: 237 percent
>> # 2. Volkswagen: 101 percent
>> # 3. Suzuki: 98 percent
>> # 4. Audi: 80 percent
>> # 5. Volvo: 73 percent
>> # 6. Acura: 59 percent
>> # 7. Mazda: 55 percent
>> # 8. Plymouth: 46 percent
>> # 9. Kia: 38 percent
>> # 10. Mini: 37 percent
>> #
>>
>> # The 10 brands least favored by Seattle-area residents in comparison
>> with the rest of the U.S., with the percent less likely to buy:
>> # 1. Infiniti: 64 percent
>> # 2. Lincoln: 46 percent
>> # 3. Pontiac: 39 percent
>> # 4. Nissan: 34 percent
>> # 5. Oldsmobile: 33 percent
>> # 6. Cadillac: 27 percent
>> # 7. Mercury: 22 percent
>> # 8. GMC: 21 percent
>> # 9. Chrysler: 19 percent
>> # 10. Mercedes-Benz: 12 percent
>>
>>
>> cheers!
>> e
>>
>> On 19/May/13 15:50, clay wrote:
>>
>>> The folks in Seattle are not prone to wanting a silver star car.
>>>  Mercedes is at the bottom of the list for desired cars.  What do they
>>> want?  Lesbian cars. Scarborough Research found the top ten
>>>
>>> 1 Subaru
>>> 2 VW
>>> 3 Suzuki
>>> 4 Audi
>>> 5 Volvo
>>> 6 Acura
>>> 7 Mazda
>>> 8 Plymouth
>>> 9 Kia
>>> 10 Mini
>>>
>>> Least likely to purchase
>>>
>>> 1 infiniti
>>> 2 lincoln
>>> 3 pontiac
>>> 4 nissan
>>> 5 oldsmobile
>>> 6 cadillac
>>> 7 mercury
>>> 8 GMC
>>> 9 chrysler
>>> 10 Mercedes Benz
>>>
>>> No idea why this is how people feel here
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

blood oranges, georgia peaches, maybe a couple of bananas and some good
green tea.  this would be considered fine dining for me although i somehow
don't see most readers getting how this can be so

a friend of mine lived on a tropical island in central america.  his income
stream consists of royalty checks from his late father, a famous musician
and composer.  when the checks come in, he lives lavishly, but sometimes
the checks don't come in time to keep him from getting broke.  he'd then
borrow money from me to go shopping for food so he can buy cheese doodles
or whatever.  think about living on a tropical island with an abundance of
coconuts, fish, and bananas and having nothing to eat as you have no money
for crap processed food.


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Blood oranges ROCK!
>
> Mike
> On Aug 3, 2013 4:44 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > the best oranges i've ever eaten were blood oranges bought at a grove in
> > central florida
> >
> > i at a diner in bradenton last year at a diner and the bus boy was
> carrying
> > a glass of orange juice.  i told him that i bet that orange juice came
> from
> > a can, probabl purchased at walmart, and the juice came from brasil, even
> > though there are nothing but orange groves for miles around him.  he just
> > laughed and told me that this was true but the irony of it never struck
> him
> > till that moment
> >
> > i once went to see the mixon groves in bradenton.  had a cup of fresh
> > squeezed.  commented that it tasted like tropicana.  young richard mixon
> (i
> > told him that he was not a crook.  somehow it's funny to me but i imagine
> > it's less funny when you've heard it from 10,000 other tourist)( just
> > laughed and asked me what i expected it to taste like given that
> tropicana
> > orange juice is bradenton oranges
> >
> > of course, today your tropicana orange juice is no longer all bradenton
> > oranges as housing is worth more than groves, so they just buy their
> > oranges from brasil like everybody else.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Peter Frederick  > >wrote:
> >
> > > By law Florida citrus must be picked green, passed in the early 1900's
> > > when it took a week to get to New York.
> > >
> > > Stupid law, there is nothing as good as properly ripened Florida
> oranges.
> > >  Almost impossible to find now, though, as the best growing area is now
> > > houses.
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Re: [MBZ] Crackhead of the day

[Gary Hurst]

a comedian


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Oh goody - a barn find!!
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
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>
> >
> > http://easttexas.craigslist.org/cto/3920597655.html
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

[Gary Hurst]

you are a counterfactual hateful person looking to provoke a fight.  what
else might you say given this?


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> it may not work today but i'd be happy to learn who was willing to make
>> these keys.  what i'm being told today is that it has been mercedes policy
>> for a couple of years not to sell keys in this manner but that some
>> dealers
>> did and that about six weeks ago mercedes went a little crazy on them so
>> it
>> will be unlikely anyone will just sell you keys outside of policy.
>> however, if there is still someone willing to go rogue to sell keys, i'd
>> be
>> very happy to act as an intermediary for list members and provide keys at
>> my cost for listers as a service.
>>
>> if it's still possible to do this, let's do this.  if anyone can get the
>> name of the person who is still willing to this today, i will gladly set
>> up
>> with them and still will continue to look on my own
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

both.  i look around and see if anyone has a better alternative.  used to
sell many of these in febi boxes and maybe there are still some left


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T  wrote:

> Hey Gang --
> Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are around
>  $25 and the MB are $125+
>
> That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or is the
> MB overpriced - or both?
>
> comments about which I should buy please --
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

and that is the key.  north carolina has apple country that extends into
upstate SC. abby and i once visited the apple orchards there during harvest
time.  the apples were amazing and NC doesnt' really have a rep for
producing the world's finest apples.

broward county, florida no longer has any commercial food agriculture, but
there are mango trees everywhere.  these mangoes are also fabulous

it might be that the key is to buy local/regional stuff picked ripe in
season.  the issue might all be about distribution

then again, some of the very best apples i've ever eaten come from zealand,
which is about as far away from me as anywhere on earth


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst
> fruit i
> >> know of, at least
> >
> >
> > WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.
> >
> >
>
> Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything else.
> But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

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i'm not going to get involved in your malicious stupidity.  i may or may
not be able to get you MB keys.  it's possible no 3rd party can get you MB
keys right now.  so while you may be on your own for MB keys in most
everything else you are getting better parts and better service than before
and therefore not on your own.  you are trolling and you know you are.
talk to those who have  done business with me and you will know the facts
about whether you are alone or not

i know exactly what you are and so does anyone else who has read your
viciousness.  i am ignoring you forever, but i wanted you to know this first


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> you are a counterfactual hateful person looking to provoke a fight.  what
>> else might you say given this?
>>
>
> Nope.  Jus the facts Maam.
>
> You said you can't get MB keys..
>   Is that not a fact?
>
> I said we are on our own.
>
> That is a fact.
>
> Not sure what you are reading into what, but it seems to me that name
> calling got you banned a few times already.
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba parts

[Gary Hurst]

there is nothing more.  these two people who continue to attack me are
simply being ignored. if anyone knows how i can block their posts on gmail,
i'd appreciate knowing this


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Fmiser  wrote:

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> > > > fight.
>
> > > Not sure what you are reading into what, but it seems to me
> > > that name calling got you banned a few times already.
>
> > you are trolling and you know you are.  talk to those who have
> > done business with me and you will know the facts about whether
> > you are alone or not
>
> **Sigh**
>
> Already?  It only took 121.5 hours...
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

meyle is almost never the answer . rein is a better shot.  phoenix,
corteco, lemforder, crp, febi in descending order for other brands you have
a real good shot of ending up with OEM

dr fatty website only shows worldpac.  they are highly committed to chinese
parts as the markups are huge.  there are many other sources though and
some may still have some supply of real deal mounts and much better than
dealer prices.

it's hard to say nowadays as both supply and demand for oem parts is
dwindling.  phoenix simply stops making them as they don't feel they can
compete with 'i can get the same thing from uro for 1/4 the price" and
mercedes keeps raising the prices on their old stock in inventory to
astronomical levels.  it's not what i thought would happen but it is what
it is.


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> On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:
>
> > -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
>
>
> Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
>
> Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
>
> Keenan has OEM for $118.22
>
> Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get
> Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket.
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders
though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


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> Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much
> for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
>
> > On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:
> >
> >> -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
> >
> >
> > Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
> >
> > Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
> >
> > Keenan has OEM for $118.22
> >
> > Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get
> Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them all
and be king of the 240D moutns


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders
> though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
> genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much
>> for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
>>
>> > On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
>> >
>> >
>> > Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
>> >
>> > Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
>> >
>> > Keenan has OEM for $118.22
>> >
>> > Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get
>> Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts at
a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
seems


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> I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not "Uro"'
> let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T  wrote:
>
> > Hey Gang --
> > Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
> around
> >  $25 and the MB are $125+
> >
> > That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or is the
> > MB overpriced - or both?
> >
> > comments about which I should buy please --
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
were invisible ones


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so long as
> the check clears.
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts
> at
> > a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
> > seems
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
> "Uro"'
> > > let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Gang --
> > > > Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
> > > around
> > > >  $25 and the MB are $125+
> > > >
> > > > That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or is
> > the
> > > > MB overpriced - or both?
> > > >
> > > > comments about which I should buy please --
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts are a
different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in OE/OEM
form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are very
common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> How much you want for them?
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not "Uro"'
>> let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T  wrote:
>>
>>  Hey Gang --
>>> Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
>>> around
>>>   $25 and the MB are $125+
>>>
>>> That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or is the
>>> MB overpriced - or both?
>>>
>>> comments about which I should buy please --
>>>
>>> LarryT
>>> 78 240D
>>> 91 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early car,
then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star was
ground off, as if by a razor.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
> rain or snow.  Highway miles only.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts
> are a
> > different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in OE/OEM
> > form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are
> very
> > common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
> > about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
> > ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas <
> > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> >
> > > How much you want for them?
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
> "Uro"'
> > >> let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Hey Gang --
> > >>> Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
> > >>> around
> > >>>   $25 and the MB are $125+
> > >>>
> > >>> That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or is
> > the
> > >>> MB overpriced - or both?
> > >>>
> > >>> comments about which I should buy please --
> > >>>
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> > >>> 78 240D
> > >>> 91 300D
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Re: [MBZ] '77 300D ACC2 widget

[Gary Hurst]

python is still rebuilding those servos and putting it in a metal body or
at least they were a few months ago when i last sold one.  george murphy
has been selling those forever as his special aluminum bodied ones but they
really are everyone's special aluminum bodied ones and you can get them
from anyone selling parts.  if you want to buy one from me, i'll sell it
for 20 bucks less than whatever he sells them for, but they still suck.
there is also a kit to supplant the servo from unwired that also sucks, if
that is of greater interest

personally, as long as the servo is working, i'd just plug that leak by
whatever means necessary and hope for the best result as the other
solutions are expensive and generally unsatisfying as well.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> Yes, exactly.  Couldn't think of "servo" for some reason. :)
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > Probably describing the dreaded Chrysler servo.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > What is an "ACC blob"?  Do you mean the aux. water pump or the
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> > > Or ??
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

what year TD do you want them for?


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> No, tell him if they are for a 79 they are not worth the postage.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/5/13 2:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
>> spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early
>> car,
>> then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
>> later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
>> and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
>> and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
>> the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star
>> was
>> ground off, as if by a razor.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > >wrote:
>>
>>  Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
>>> rain or snow.  Highway miles only.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts
>>>>
>>> are a
>>>
>>>> different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in
>>>> OE/OEM
>>>> form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are
>>>>
>>> very
>>>
>>>> common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
>>>> about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
>>>> ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas <
>>>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  How much you want for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> --R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Uro"'
>>>
>>>> let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T 
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Hey Gang --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>$25 and the MB are $125+
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> MB overpriced - or both?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> comments about which I should buy please --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

that's exactly the point, andrew.  the star is a mercedes trademark that
has to come in a mercedes box.

let's start at the beginning.  for the most part, mercedes builds cars, not
parts.  they buy parts and use them to build cars out of

phoenix makes mounts.  mercedes says "make this mount for us".  phoenix
makes a bunch.  mercedes buys a bunch.  they are made for mercedes so they
are made with the mercedes stars on them.

other companies also want to sell those mounts.  febi buys some.  lem buys
some.  crp buys some.  corteco buys some. phoenix puts some in their own
boxes to sell.   phoenix is happy to sell them but they don't make a
special edition of the mount for each reseller.  so now there is a problem
as the proprietary benz trademark is on a rein/crp product.  they CANNOT
legal sell the one with the star on it, so the answer is to grind off the
star.  this is because they are selling them as a "rein" mount. to sell it
as a genuine MB mount, they'd have to buy it from MB at a huge markup to
waht they are paying phoenix, so there is no point as it all identical
product from teh phoenix factory in turkey.

it is NOT a mercedes mount, but mercedes is a kind of secondary branding
that only mercedes can use.  it is a phoenix mount but manufactured
primarily for mercedes, so it carries the mercedes logo that must be
removed if sold as someone else's product.

get it?


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
> the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
> Rolex.
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
>
> > Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahahagagahahahahahghahahaha
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > > i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
> > > were invisible ones
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so
> long
> > as
> > >> the check clears.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM
> mounts
> > >> at
> > >>> a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless,
> it
> > >>> seems
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> > >> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
> > >> "Uro"'
> > >>>> let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hey Gang --
> > >>>>> Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
> > >>>> around
> > >>>>> $25 and the MB are $125+
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or
> is
> > >>> the
> > >>>>> MB overpriced - or both?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> comments about which I should buy please --
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>> 78 240D
> > >>>>> 91 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

again, as it is not being sold as a mercedes product it cannot carry the
starr

let me give you another example.  i had a mexican palm hat for years that
was sold to me as a resistol brand hat.  i replaced it with the exact same
hat but branded "ranger".  the ranger hat company cannot brand the hat
resistol just becasue both hats have a common source and are identical
models.  .  lemforder cannot brand something as mercedes just because they
have a common source and are the same model.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:46 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> 'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts
>
>
>  What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
>> the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
>> Rolex.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >wrote:
>>
>>  Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahaha**gagahahahahahghahahaha
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>>>
>>> > i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
>>> > were invisible ones
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > <
>>> astrasfo...@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so >>
>>> long
>>> as
>>> >> the check clears.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM >>>
>>> mounts
>>> >> at
>>> >>> a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless,
>>> >>> it
>>> >>> seems
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
>>> >> astrasfo...@gmail.com
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
>>> >> "Uro"'
>>> >>>> let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hey Gang --
>>> >>>>> Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
>>> >>>> around
>>> >>>>> $25 and the MB are $125+
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>> the
>>> >>>>> MB overpriced - or both?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> comments about which I should buy please --
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> LarryT
>>> >>>>> 78 240D
>>> >>>>> 91 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

even before production began.  the star is owned by ed by merecedes and
only they can use or give persmission to use it


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:55 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> In a word, lawyers. Copyright, trademarks, licensing agreements signed when
> production began, etc.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, WILTON  wrote:
>
> > 'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" <
> > astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> >
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts
> >
> >
> >  What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
> >> the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
> >> Rolex.
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

the star got there at point of original manufacture by phoenix.  benz
contracted phoenix to make it and the star was part of the design


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> So, how'd the star get on there?  Legally, originally, or by hook and
> crook? Did I miss that?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 
>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:00 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts
>
>
>  even before production began.  the star is owned by ed by merecedes and
>> only they can use or give persmission to use it
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:55 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>>
>>  In a word, lawyers. Copyright, trademarks, licensing agreements signed
>>> when
>>> production began, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, WILTON  wrote:
>>>
>>> > 'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.
>>> >
>>> > Wilton
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" <
>>> > astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind
>>> > off
>>> >> the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
>>> >> Rolex.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
>>> "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
>>> taxes."
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

this is a good question.  my guess is they won't mount up.  but i bet jaime
would know.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Will the later cheap style work on the earlier cars?
>
>
>
> On 8/5/2013 1:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
>> spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early
>> car,
>> then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
>> later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
>> and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
>> and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
>> the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star
>> was
>> ground off, as if by a razor.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > >wrote:
>>
>>  Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
>>> rain or snow.  Highway miles only.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts
>>>>
>>> are a
>>>
>>>> different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in
>>>> OE/OEM
>>>> form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are
>>>>
>>> very
>>>
>>>> common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
>>>> about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
>>>> ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas <
>>>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  How much you want for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> --R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Uro"'
>>>
>>>> let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T 
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Hey Gang --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>$25 and the MB are $125+
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap" or is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> MB overpriced - or both?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> comments about which I should buy please --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LarryT
>>>>>>> 78 240D
>>>>>>> 91 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case here,
really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp, phoenix
or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really dismal
chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess, albeit
perhaps the hard way


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry T  wrote:

> that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s as
> it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the change
> to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the idle
> speed was better and the "shaking and jerking" at idle and  low speeds
> disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought the
> replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an eye on
> them in case thy are Chinese 
>
>
>
> LarryT
> 78 240D
> 91 300D
>
> On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them all
>> and be king of the 240D moutns
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders
>>> though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
>>> genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin >> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much
>>>> for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keenan has OEM for $118.22
>>>>>
>>>>> Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get
>>>>>
>>>> Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket.
>>>>
>>>>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] famous sl

[Gary Hurst]

i suggested it to a woman whose dad was good friends with buck owens and
she got a little upset.  apparently, her memories of buck are not fond


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> You have to wonder how well maintained it was. Look at how dirty the
> engine compartment is.
>
> Bakersfield is a nasty place for a car.
>
> Dan
>
> On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Richard Hattaway 
> wrote:
>
> > There are six lines of type describing the car.  The words 'Buck Owens'
> appear in four of them.
> >
> > The 350SL is really one of the best ( if not the best ) of the 107
> chassis cars.  It's a shame they can't spend just a little time talking
> about the car.  Buck would have wanted it that way ..
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:06 PM
> > Subject: [MBZ] famous sl
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won

[Gary Hurst]

i learned about jap goods in the late 70s.  as young people, we mostly got
around by bicycle.  our dads maybe or may not have had a car but dads
worked 15 hours a day, so they weren't going to be driving us around.  moms
did not drive for the most part.  our main mode of personal transportation
was the bicycle and our local bicycle shop was owned by a man who went by
the name of "buddy".

like all good bike dealers back then, buddy was a schwinn dealer.  the bike
to get was the schwinn varsity or something even nicer.  problem was the
varsity was like $169, which was big money for us.  so buddy would show us
his japanese bikes, fujis and panasonics, which were $120 and told us that
they were as good or better than schwinns at double the price.  we trusted
buddy and felt that going to a discount store for something cheaper would
not work out, so while we felt his claim to be just as good as a higher
line  schwinn "10 speed" was so much salesman hype, we got together the
money and ended up on japanese 12 speed bicycles.

they were GREAT bikes.  i see people riding them to this day and i never
see anyone on a schwinn varsity today.

for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is,
although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as
well.

as for the PRC, i see no hope and no future for their product.  just crap
product for the super stupid and i fear it always will be


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> Japan sold a lot of cheap consumer goods; toys, notions, etc; during the
> 1930s; house slippers with paper soles, for example; such that "made in
> Japan" was synonymous with junk.  This continued after WW-2 until Japan set
> up an agency that tested export goods and would not issue an export licence
> unless the products met fairly high standards.  That was the beginning of
> Japans reputation for quality products and its export success.
> Gerry.who bought the Japanese stuff at the "five and dime" stores
> during the '30s.
>
> From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>
>  >The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from
>>
>>> the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming).  The US developed/used
>>> these
>>> quality approaches for the massive WWII war production.  The ironic part
>>> is
>>> that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war
>>> and
>>> focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving
>>> industrial base in the world.  That came to a grinding halt when the
>>> Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader
>>> for
>>> quality back in the 80s and 90s.  We older folks recall the 50s and 60s
>>> when
>>> "made in Japan" meant junk.
>>>
>>>  Hear Hear!  (visualize Ben Franklin stomping his cane on the floor.)
>> (ASQ Senior member)
>>
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Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won

[Gary Hurst]

i was a GM guy my whole life but they aren't even real to me anyone.  if i
were to purchase an "american" car, it would be likely be a ford with a
small chance of chrysler.  to me, GM is just rebadged daewoos right now


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> We have a Mazda6 purchased new in 2005 that has around 120k on it. Damned
> reliable car and very inexpensive to maintain.
>
> Both of the Ford Focus' we have/had are great cars. 170k and still going
> strong with minimal maintenance.
>
> I would recommend either brand (they're pretty much the same any more.)
>
> Dan
>
> On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Richard Hattaway 
> wrote:
>
> > When I left the automotive industry in 2005, we were a second tier
> producer for VW, GM, and Ford.
> >
> > In a nutshell, VW had a QC manager assigned to our plant.  We all knew
> his name, he walked at free will anywhere in the plant he wished ( maybe
> personnel was off limits, don't know ), and was present in any meetings
> that had to do with VW.  I knew who the Ford guy was by facial recognition,
> because he was there about once a quarter.  I never saw a GM quality
> representative in the plant in my employment time.
> >
> > We didn't do any Chrysler business, that was all in another plant.  They
> had fair coverage from customer QC.
> >
> > The obvious point is that GM didn't worry about quality as much as VW.
> >
> > I'm not interested in buying VW anytime in this pass thru, but I will
> buy Ford if the deal is right.  I'm OK with Chrysler, my wife drives one.
>  I will never, under any circumstances, buy another GM vehicle in my
> lifetime.  There are other reasons, but the above facts sealed the deal.  I
> cannot afford a new Mercedes, and I normally buy new.  So my next vehicle
> will be either Toyota or Honda.  I still don't believe the USA has it
> right, and as long as labor unions control the auto industry I don't think
> it will get any better.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Curt Raymond 
> > To: Diesel List 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
> >
> >
> > Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it,
> I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher,
> quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are
> in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the
> same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago?
> >
> > When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford
> if it comes right down to it.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Richard Hattaway 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
> > Message-ID:
> > <1375890327.46902.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> >
> >> Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American
> car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s.
> >
> >
> >> -Curt
> >
> > Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to
> Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won

[Gary Hurst]

i still like bicycles and advise anyone looking for a bicycle that if they
see the words "tig welded taiwan" on the frame they are in good shape.

i've also been having good luck selling taiwan parts for mercedes to those
who don't want to be screwed by PRC yet dont want to buy something real

korean stuff is even better.  i wouldnt' touch a korean product in teh 80s
but would not hesitate today


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:05 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is,
> > although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan
> as
> > well.
>
>
> Correctly so. If you ever shop at Harbor Freight, the quality on any tools
> made in Taiwan is outstanding. Notably their ratchets. The have an
> excellent feel.
>
> It is as hard to find anything made in Japan as it is to find made in USA
> these days. The jury is still out on Products made in India. I perceive
> them to be pretty much junk, with an occasional winner here or there.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

i've never even seen a WA peach, but the GA/eastern peach is magnificent.
when i lived there, i'd be driving out to the orchard every week and eating
nearly nothing but peaches.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM, clay  wrote:

> Do not mistake the wet side of WA for the dry side.  Not a bunch of wet
> going on east of the Cascade Range.  Good heat, low moisture and they have
> to irrigate to get crops.  Wonderful grape region now that competes and
> surpasses the dreck coming out of kalifornia.
>
> I much prefer the Washington peach to the Georgia peach.  For some reason
> the stuff out east just does not have the same brix or mouth feel that a
> local peach has.  Same with apples, pears or other fruit, fresh picked and
> purchased by the bushel.  Might be the need to transport fruit beyond the
> growing region results in plastic, tasteless products.
>
> clay
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
> > Lots of rain makes for large fruit with less flavor.
> >
> > Mike
> > On Aug 5, 2013 1:33 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> > nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst
> >
>  fruit i
> >>>
>  know of, at least
> >
> 
> 
>  WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything
> else.
> >>> But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.
> >>>
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nope.  Being in the PNW, you've not had real apples.   WA apples are
> bland
> >> and flavorless.  Purty, but no flavor.
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Re: [MBZ] ACA

[Gary Hurst]

right, i wish to see what they are willing to provide.  we currently have
the most broken healthcare non-system in the history of the world and more
an more people are being shut out of it.  i'd rather take my shot with
obamacare rather that stay with the current disaster and i will reserve
judgment on it until i see it in action.  i may end up unhappy with the
results of this but it is the course i intend to take unless someone
changes my mind with compelling new facts or logic


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Larry T  wrote:

> you said "i'm more thinking to wait and see on obamacare"
>
> Unfortunately with obamacare there will be no choice - you can wait and
> see, but you will only see one thing - what they are willing to provide. -
> the traditional insurance companies are already leaving those states where
> they cannot make a profit.   governments don't need to make a profit - they
> have the ability to tax ..  you will be forced to take whatever the govt
> wants to give and there will be no competing places to take your business.
>  What the government gives the govt can take away.
>
> the comments about being able to keep our insurance companies and doctors
> may sound great -- until you realize the regulations are written precisely
> to force the insurance companies out of business, bingo, no more
> competition.  Many doctors are following suit and retiring early or leaving
> the profession.   Soon, the government will be running the medical
> industry.  just like they ran Soc Security, Amtrak, Medicare and all the
> other business they are running - even though they have no business running
> businesses.
>
> LarryT
>
>
> On 8/1/2013 11:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> i'm more thinking to wait and see on obamacare.  lots of propaganda now but
> reality will be someone different.  maybe good.  maybe bad.  i will reserve
> judgment until i see it in action
>
>> it's like that new google nexus 7.  looks GREAT on paper, but i won't
>> consider buying it until it's been out for a few months and has some kind
>> of track record in actual performance.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] I fought... now SCHWINN BIKES

[Gary Hurst]

how do you shift those 2 speed hubs?


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I had a 1962 or so Schwinn Jaguar, which had a 2 speed rear hub and a
> front shock absorber, in gold, whitewall tires.  It weighed about 80lb.  My
> dad kept it, was in the barn, in near perfect condition. I got down to the
> farm to clean stuff out, was looking forward to reclaiming it.  I was
> walking around and saw a piece of a broken Schwinn logo on the ground
> pressed under some tire tracks.  Ohsh*t. I went down to the barn and lo it
> was gone, lock broken on the bin, along with my mother's green Schwinn
> cruiser of maybe 1968, also in perfect condition.
>
> I learned from the neighbor farmer my dumbass criminal cousin had been
> there just a couple hours earlier, he had seen him and one of his boys
> driving my dad's little JD diesel tractor around at 6AM. He stopped and
> made them put the tractor back, noticed he had a couple of jet skis on a
> trailer, which were supposedly his (I believe he had stolen them some years
> before and had them stored in my dad's barn).  He also noticed the doors to
> the other barn were open, told him to close up and get out of there.  I
> rang him up and asked him about all that, he said he had not seen any
> bicycles but he was pulling the trailer with an old Suburban, I presume he
> had them stuffed in the back along with some other things.  He had stopped
> by to see his mother, my auntie whom I really like, so I asked her if she
> had seen my bicycles, she said no but she had covered for him in the past
> as a mother does.  I asked him about the tractor, he said his boy wanted to
> try it out (at 6AM!) so they just started it up and he was driving it
> around.  I knew the battery was dead on the tractor, took some effort to
> get it going, so that was a lie too -- they were trying to steal it, go
> stash it in the woods somewhere and come back later to get it and take it
> to his buddy's place which was a few miles away.
>
> A coupla years earlier my dad's JD Gator, tools, air compressor, etc. were
> stolen from the garage.  The cousin had "borrowed" my dad's trailer, which
> I had left in the barn, to go do something at that buddy's.  At that time I
> told his mother, my aunt, I needed the trailer back, she knew where it was
> so I said I was going to go get it.  Her boyfriend said no he would go get
> it and bring it back.  I figured he had used it to steal the stuff, taken
> it to his bud's, and they were going to sell it all or something.  The
> auntie's BF did not want me going there and finding the Gator, things might
> have transpired.  I was tempted to go down there anyway but figured
> firearms might become involved, and I did not have any with me, so let it
> go.  I tried to get the Sheriff to do something, but they said without any
> proof they couldn't just go on the guy's property.
>
> Some year or two later the cousin ended up spending a year or so in prison
> for burglary, theft, or something.  I think the local poleeces where he
> lived finally got tired of his behavior and just rounded him up on various
> things.  I had found silver, a big TV, and various other things in auntie's
> basement, she said it was his stuff, he was "moving."  I figured he stashed
> stuff there.  A coupla years before that he got arrested for trying to
> smuggle some dope into jail for one of his buds, he had it stuffed in his
> buttcrack.
>
> Anyway, I still wish I had that bike, I loved it when I was a kid, it was
> my first big bike and I rode it everywhere.  The cousin appears to have
> cleaned up his act, but he still owes my dad for his thieving.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 8/8/13 6:26 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>
>> --R wrote:
>>
>>> ...but still have my Schwinn 10spd in the garage I bought in high
>>> school, trading in my Stingray i outgrew, which would be worth a fortune
>>> today.
>>>
>>>  I used to assemble Stingray bikes at the Schwinn shop.  And, I still
>> ride my 1938 rear drop-out New Departure Chicago Schwinn balloon tire
>> bicycle - maybe it's also work a fortune today...
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Re: [MBZ] ACA

[Gary Hurst]

i'm going to say the same thing i said before.  the current system is
unsustainable and sinking.  i'd like to see what the new one has to offer
in practical terms before passing judgment.  it may be the worse disaster
of all time, but i'm not commenting until i see it in action


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM,  wrote:

> Gary,
> Let's see...2000 page bill nobody read, changes made to a law by the
> president and NOT congress, 16,000 pages of regulations that few have
> actually read. By the time you wait and see what's in it, everyone (except
> the politicians) will be screwed, including you. ACA is sorta like the Fair
> Tax...looks reasonable on paper, but a pure train wreck to try to
> implement. Everyone knows what is wrong with our current health care
> system, but can congress address those problems, no, they pass a new law to
> create new/different problems. Just sayin'..
> Best Wishes,
>
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Re: [MBZ] I fought... now SCHWINN BIKES

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, i've never ridden one of those bendix 2 speeds.  it would have to be
slight back is shift (not down or up, but just whatever it wasn't in) and
full back is brake.  maybe i will build one if i can find a hub  :)




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richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Back pedal just a bit and it shifted up I think, full back pedal was the
> brake, I think maybe that shifted it back into first gear too? It's been
> awhile...
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/8/13 10:52 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> how do you shift those 2 speed hubs?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  >I had a 1962 or so Schwinn Jaguar, which had a 2 speed rear hub and a
>>> >front shock absorber, in gold, whitewall tires.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] I fought... now SCHWINN BIKES

[Gary Hurst]

a relatively recent version of the 2 speed kickback hub
http://snowtire.blogspot.com/2006/08/my-sachs-duomatic-two-speed-hub.html

there is also a more recent SA version but it is getting terrible reviews


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> yeah, i've never ridden one of those bendix 2 speeds.  it would have to be
> slight back is shift (not down or up, but just whatever it wasn't in) and
> full back is brake.  maybe i will build one if i can find a hub  :)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
>> Back pedal just a bit and it shifted up I think, full back pedal was the
>> brake, I think maybe that shifted it back into first gear too? It's been
>> awhile...
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/8/13 10:52 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>>
>>> how do you shift those 2 speed hubs?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Rich Thomas <
>>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  >I had a 1962 or so Schwinn Jaguar, which had a 2 speed rear hub and a
>>>> >front shock absorber, in gold, whitewall tires.
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

i know a guy who sells quality USA reman calipers (and new ones too!) and
i don't recall such problems


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:

> I just picked up some reman calipers from these clowns. They are missing
> the heat shield around the seal. Is this really necessary? They had no clue
> of course.
> I can pry off the old ones and install on the remans but the old ones are
> badly corroded and will likely not transfer well.
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

954 889 5530.  email is even better.


big hurry never works out


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM,  wrote:

> I know that guy too! I was unable to reach you and was in a hurry to get
> those parts. You called me the other day. I tried to call you back but your
> number was not reachable because it was a Skype number or something.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i know a guy who sells quality USA reman calipers (and new ones too!) and
> > i don't recall such problems
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> I just picked up some reman calipers from these clowns. They are missing
> >> the heat shield around the seal. Is this really necessary? They had no
> clue
> >> of course.
> >> I can pry off the old ones and install on the remans but the old ones
> are
> >> badly corroded and will likely not transfer well.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

i'm generally not that competitive with autohaus as i can't really sell you
OEM part for the same money that they sell generic dismal chinese parts.
where items are identical, i will normally sell them at az+10%.

i don't sell a lot of parts for 2002s


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM,  wrote:

> I'll try that number next time. I called you back at this number which was
> reflected in my caller ID:
> (661) 748-0240
> Palmdale Area
>
> I'm not a big fan of email for ordering parts. I hope you understand.
>
> BTW how knowledgable are you with regard to BMW 2002 parts. It's a 1973.
> Are you competitive with autohausaz etc?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > 954 889 5530.  email is even better.
> >
> >
> > big hurry never works out
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> I know that guy too! I was unable to reach you and was in a hurry to get
> >> those parts. You called me the other day. I tried to call you back but
> your
> >> number was not reachable because it was a Skype number or something.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>
> >>> i know a guy who sells quality USA reman calipers (and new ones too!)
> and
> >>> i don't recall such problems
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I just picked up some reman calipers from these clowns. They are
> missing
> >>>> the heat shield around the seal. Is this really necessary? They had no
> >> clue
> >>>> of course.
> >>>> I can pry off the old ones and install on the remans but the old ones
> >> are
> >>>> badly corroded and will likely not transfer well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

one would generally contact the guy with what cores are to be returned and
then await instructions where to send them


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> How would someone get core calipers back to the guy?
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/9/13 2:30 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> i know a guy who sells quality USA reman calipers (and new ones too!) and
>> i don't recall such problems
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>  I just picked up some reman calipers from these clowns. They are missing
>>> the heat shield around the seal. Is this really necessary? They had no
>>> clue
>>> of course.
>>> I can pry off the old ones and install on the remans but the old ones are
>>> badly corroded and will likely not transfer well.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> __**_
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>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

i'd be saying that to if i were used to dealing with some other guy who
sent you that same chinese autohaus stuff for 3 times the price instead of
dealimg with me


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Autohausaz rocks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i'm generally not that competitive with autohaus as i can't really sell
> you
> > OEM part for the same money that they sell generic dismal chinese parts.
> > where items are identical, i will normally sell them at az+10%.
> >
> > i don't sell a lot of parts for 2002s
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> I'll try that number next time. I called you back at this number which
> was
> >> reflected in my caller ID:
> >> (661) 748-0240
> >> Palmdale Area
> >>
> >> I'm not a big fan of email for ordering parts. I hope you understand.
> >>
> >> BTW how knowledgable are you with regard to BMW 2002 parts. It's a 1973.
> >> Are you competitive with autohausaz etc?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>
> >>> 954 889 5530.  email is even better.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> big hurry never works out
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I know that guy too! I was unable to reach you and was in a hurry to
> get
> >>>> those parts. You called me the other day. I tried to call you back but
> >> your
> >>>> number was not reachable because it was a Skype number or something.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> i know a guy who sells quality USA reman calipers (and new ones too!)
> >> and
> >>>>> i don't recall such problems
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I just picked up some reman calipers from these clowns. They are
> >> missing
> >>>>>> the heat shield around the seal. Is this really necessary? They had
> no
> >>>> clue
> >>>>>> of course.
> >>>>>> I can pry off the old ones and install on the remans but the old
> ones
> >>>> are
> >>>>>> badly corroded and will likely not transfer well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

fat?


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Trent is the best. Speaking of Trent, if Trent is Q2 or Q jr, what does
> that make jabba?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:25 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Except that the people who answer the phones are rude and lacking in
> knowledge. I have very little desire to order from them. Much rather speak
> with an expert (Gary) get quality parts and pay 10% more for equivalent.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:21 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Autohausaz rocks
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>
> >>> i'm generally not that competitive with autohaus as i can't really
> sell you
> >>> OEM part for the same money that they sell generic dismal chinese
> parts.
> >>> where items are identical, i will normally sell them at az+10%.
> >>>
> >>> i don't sell a lot of parts for 2002s
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'll try that number next time. I called you back at this number
> which was
> >>>> reflected in my caller ID:
> >>>> (661) 748-0240
> >>>> Palmdale Area
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not a big fan of email for ordering parts. I hope you understand.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW how knowledgable are you with regard to BMW 2002 parts. It's a
> 1973.
> >>>> Are you competitive with autohausaz etc?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 954 889 5530.  email is even better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> big hurry never works out
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM,  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I know that guy too! I was unable to reach you and was in a hurry
> to get
> >>>>>> those parts. You called me the other day. I tried to call you back
> but
> >>>> your
> >>>>>> number was not reachable because it was a Skype number or something.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> i know a guy who sells quality USA reman calipers (and new ones
> too!)
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> i don't recall such problems
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I just picked up some reman calipers from these clowns. They are
> >>>> missing
> >>>>>>>> the heat shield around the seal. Is this really necessary? They
> had no
> >>>>>> clue
> >>>>>>>> of course.
> >>>>>>>> I can pry off the old ones and install on the remans but the old
> ones
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> badly corroded and will likely not transfer well.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>> ___
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

on identical items.  a lot of the big savings from AZ comes from them just
being a huge walmart type outfit but a lot also comes from comparing apples
to oranges.  they sell a lot of substandard stuff that i don't sell


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:26 PM,  wrote:

> Az + 10% is fine. Thanks Gary.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i'm generally not that competitive with autohaus as i can't really sell
> you
> > OEM part for the same money that they sell generic dismal chinese parts.
> > where items are identical, i will normally sell them at az+10%.
> >
> > i don't sell a lot of parts for 2002s
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> I'll try that number next time. I called you back at this number which
> was
> >> reflected in my caller ID:
> >> (661) 748-0240
> >> Palmdale Area
> >>
> >> I'm not a big fan of email for ordering parts. I hope you understand.
> >>
> >> BTW how knowledgable are you with regard to BMW 2002 parts. It's a 1973.
> >> Are you competitive with autohausaz etc?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>
> >>> 954 889 5530.  email is even better.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> big hurry never works out
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I know that guy too! I was unable to reach you and was in a hurry to
> get
> >>>> those parts. You called me the other day. I tried to call you back but
> >> your
> >>>> number was not reachable because it was a Skype number or something.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> i know a guy who sells quality USA reman calipers (and new ones too!)
> >> and
> >>>>> i don't recall such problems
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I just picked up some reman calipers from these clowns. They are
> >> missing
> >>>>>> the heat shield around the seal. Is this really necessary? They had
> no
> >>>> clue
> >>>>>> of course.
> >>>>>> I can pry off the old ones and install on the remans but the old
> ones
> >>>> are
> >>>>>> badly corroded and will likely not transfer well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>> ___
> >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> cars
> >>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

so why do you guys worship a guy who does this to you for years and then
tops it off by telling you to give all your money to trent without
receiving any parts at all, let alone the dismal chinese crap he
specialized in, to support something he called "learning."?  it's an
awfully strange world, is it not?

everyone in the business knows that stuff is just dismal garbage and the
only reasons to ever send it to someone are huge markups and/or nothing
else is available.  real oem flex discs, mounts and ball joints are
available for any of your cars, probably for the same price that you were
paying for URO. in fact, i know a guy who would probably sell you the real
deal for roughly the same price that other guy sold you chinese crap URO
for, plus your orders would be correct and arrive in a timely fashion.

URO ball joints -- shameless and downright sadistic


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I has enough of that other guy for a while. Once got a uro flex disk, was
> assured it was good quality. Spent hours trying to put the damn thing on
> and it simply would not go, holes were off just a hair. Also once got a set
> of uro ball joints, would not fit in the steering knuckle, ruined a puller
> trying to get then back off. Eventually had to cut them off. Got some
> unknown motor mounts once, they lasted a couple of months before I had to
> replace them
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i'd be saying that to if i were used to dealing with some other guy who
> > sent you that same chinese autohaus stuff for 3 times the price instead
> of
> > dealimg with me
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
> >
> >> Autohausaz rocks
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>
> >>> i'm generally not that competitive with autohaus as i can't really sell
> >> you
> >>> OEM part for the same money that they sell generic dismal chinese
> parts.
> >>> where items are identical, i will normally sell them at az+10%.
> >>>
> >>> i don't sell a lot of parts for 2002s
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'll try that number next time. I called you back at this number which
> >> was
> >>>> reflected in my caller ID:
> >>>> (661) 748-0240
> >>>> Palmdale Area
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not a big fan of email for ordering parts. I hope you understand.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW how knowledgable are you with regard to BMW 2002 parts. It's a
> 1973.
> >>>> Are you competitive with autohausaz etc?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 954 889 5530.  email is even better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> big hurry never works out
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM,  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I know that guy too! I was unable to reach you and was in a hurry to
> >> get
> >>>>>> those parts. You called me the other day. I tried to call you back
> but
> >>>> your
> >>>>>> number was not reachable because it was a Skype number or something.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> i know a guy who sells quality USA reman calipers (and new ones
> too!)
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> i don't recall such problems
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I just picked up some reman calipers from these clowns. They are
> >>>> missing
> >>>>>>>> the heat shield around the seal. Is this really necessary? They
> had
> >> no
> >>>>>> clue
> >>>>>>>> of course.
> >>>>>>>> I can pry off the old ones and install on the remans but the old
> >> o

Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

wow.  but surely autohausaz could have done that?  and, if not, what about
the mercedes classic center?


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> Ditto!
>
> I am restoring a 1968 250S, and was in desperate need of an old style
> rocker arm fuel pump.  Gary 1) knew what I was talking about, 2) found it
> for me for at a not too bad of a price, and 3) had it delivered with
> gaskets on the day promised.
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:25 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Except that the people who answer the phones are rude and lacking in
> knowledge. I have very little desire to order from them. Much rather speak
> with an expert (Gary) get quality parts and pay 10% more for equivalent.
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Gary Hurst]

wow.  MB doesn't know what pump you take but i do.  that's pretty
impressive!


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> Ah, I am sending back the pump the classic center sent to me as it will
> not fit.  Apparently, MB has forgotten that the 1968 250S & 280S were
> delivered with an added air pump which interferes with their replacement
> pump.  Just sayin.
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > wow.  but surely autohausaz could have done that?  and, if not, what
> about
> > the mercedes classic center?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> >
> >> Ditto!
> >>
> >> I am restoring a 1968 250S, and was in desperate need of an old style
> >> rocker arm fuel pump.  Gary 1) knew what I was talking about, 2) found
> it
> >> for me for at a not too bad of a price, and 3) had it delivered with
> >> gaskets on the day promised.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:25 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Except that the people who answer the phones are rude and lacking in
> >> knowledge. I have very little desire to order from them. Much rather
> speak
> >> with an expert (Gary) get quality parts and pay 10% more for equivalent.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba -- Glow plug relay

[Gary Hurst]

could be a hueco, $254 would be a lot for that.  i'd be like $109 or so
retail on that delivered for a hueco.  a bosch woudl be preferred but would
be more difficult to locat.  tell me year nad model again?


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

>
> So the daughter unit took the car back to the shop that had the
> regulator replaced maybe 3 weeks ago, symptoms the same -- batttery
> dying, not charging.
>
> Mech sends it back to the alt shop, tells them to figure it out. They
> narrow it down to a "red wire from the fuse box" that was drawing
> current.  (Did not say whether with car running or not)
>
> Mech pokes around and finally determines the glow plug relay is not
> shutting off properly, during his testing was staying on for 3-4min and
> drawing current, keeping voltage the alt/batt system low. Replaces GPR
> and says that fixes it.  He speculates it was not shutting off other
> times, continuing to draw down battery after car was shut off (I'm not
> sure if that is possible) or sucking enough juice the battery was not
> charging.
>
> I put a new GPR in the car in March 2010, got it from Rusty $130. Not
> sure what kind, but it had a Benz part number.  Mech says he put one in
> that he was able to get for $254, an HUC which is probably chinee (and
> maybe the other one was too).  JABBA -- WHAT IS THAT BRAND?
>
> I told him when the shop replaced the regulator pack on the alt that
> obviously did not fix the problem, so that was a wasted $250 or so.
> Total for this latest adventure is $453.40.  So now $700 into this
> problem.  He just rang me and knocked $75 off, understood that the alt
> shop was a waste but that is now sunk cost.
>
> BAH.  I hate not being able to work on my cars!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Jabba -- Glow plug relay

[Gary Hurst]

on the plus side, hueco tends to be german made, but they get into wonky
stuff like knocking off EZLs with mixed results.  i knew one guy who would
only sell them 2 at a time and urge you to just use the one that worked
best.  thjis sounds outrageous, but when the genuine benz part is 2500 and
these are 100 each, it sounds a lot better

for 254 i'd think it ought to be a genuine benz


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> could be a hueco, $254 would be a lot for that.  i'd be like $109 or so
> retail on that delivered for a hueco.  a bosch woudl be preferred but would
> be more difficult to locat.  tell me year nad model again?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> So the daughter unit took the car back to the shop that had the
>> regulator replaced maybe 3 weeks ago, symptoms the same -- batttery
>> dying, not charging.
>>
>> Mech sends it back to the alt shop, tells them to figure it out. They
>> narrow it down to a "red wire from the fuse box" that was drawing
>> current.  (Did not say whether with car running or not)
>>
>> Mech pokes around and finally determines the glow plug relay is not
>> shutting off properly, during his testing was staying on for 3-4min and
>> drawing current, keeping voltage the alt/batt system low. Replaces GPR
>> and says that fixes it.  He speculates it was not shutting off other
>> times, continuing to draw down battery after car was shut off (I'm not
>> sure if that is possible) or sucking enough juice the battery was not
>> charging.
>>
>> I put a new GPR in the car in March 2010, got it from Rusty $130. Not
>> sure what kind, but it had a Benz part number.  Mech says he put one in
>> that he was able to get for $254, an HUC which is probably chinee (and
>> maybe the other one was too).  JABBA -- WHAT IS THAT BRAND?
>>
>> I told him when the shop replaced the regulator pack on the alt that
>> obviously did not fix the problem, so that was a wasted $250 or so.
>> Total for this latest adventure is $453.40.  So now $700 into this
>> problem.  He just rang me and knocked $75 off, understood that the alt
>> shop was a waste but that is now sunk cost.
>>
>> BAH.  I hate not being able to work on my cars!
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] I fought... now SCHWINN BIKES

[Gary Hurst]

i just got in my head now that i need a 2 speed kickback hub


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> There are two different Bendix 2-speed hubs.  One with yellow bands
> and one with red bands.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] VW Passat TDI

[Gary Hurst]

i'd get a jetta tdi wagon. jaime's dad has one


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:45 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> I noticed on that new Passat former DIL was driving yesterday, they cut a
> big rectangular hole into another perfectly good steel top.  %<(
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Larry T" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 3:39 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW Passat TDI
>
>
>  IMO that's a VW mentality that goes way back - at least to the '50s and
>> '60s when the radio speaker was on the driver side - they were trying to
>> make the driver happy because they were  usually the decision maker when it
>> came to buying new vehicles one of the VW old timers told me that
>> when I was a teenager working as a mechanics apprentice in the late 60s.
>> (If I had been older I may have figured it out for myself)  ;-)
>>
>> Larryt
>> 59 VW beetle (our 1st car)
>>
>>
>> On 8/8/2013 5:21 PM, OK Don wrote:
>>
>>> electrical
>>> drivers seat and manual passenges seat
>>>
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[MBZ] more on hueco glow plug relay

[Gary Hurst]

seems those are made in germany and warranted by hueco for 5 years.  not
sure if this is real warranty or some phoney baloney "send us your
technicians ASE certification along with $!00 to cover shipping an
handling" type.

might be a solid product to replace the no longer made bosch units

personally, i prefer the preglow timer where i pull that knob out of the
dash and hold it

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Re: [MBZ] more on hueco glow plug relay

[Gary Hurst]

i'd suggest you'd be best served by dealing directly with the
manufacturer.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I wonder what kind that was I got from Rusty 3 years ago.  Think I could
> send it back to Trent for a refund if it is dead?
>
> --R
>
>
> On 8/10/13 2:05 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> seems those are made in germany and warranted by hueco for 5 years.  not
>> sure if this is real warranty or some phoney baloney "send us your
>> technicians ASE certification along with $!00 to cover shipping an
>> handling" type.
>>
>> might be a solid product to replace the no longer made bosch units
>>
>> personally, i prefer the preglow timer where i pull that knob out of the
>> dash and hold it
>>
>>
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